Regarding Beast Machines TF cartoon, I wanna ask:
Was it a good idea for the main cast to never lighten up, even for a moment?
Also, did anyone else feel the show tried to cram many themes and tackle them in one push?
Didn't even know there was a theme. Didn't Rhino-don get turned into a tank or something?
Seemed all over the place with random stranded in a tron-like planet survival.
>>81858252
>Didn't even know there was a theme
two i think. nature vs machine and free will vs control. season 2 solved the former with balance iirc.
>Didn't Rhino-don get turned into a tank
close but yeah, it's tankor. imo they should build up on that instead and resolve optimus zen development and rattrap uselessness issue faster
Free will is a myth, your brain has no more free will than the weather does.
>>81859145
Megatron pls
I hated Beast Machines so much, I know it has one or two fans here and good for you, but good god it was so bad to me, especially considering it was a sequel to Beast Wars which I loved.
How does one justify this
>>81864546
Pic related was in charge.
>>81864546
It's an improvement.
Shame the toy was so shit
>>81858252
His toy was one of the (very) few cool things to come out of the series, still a personal fave and it looks way cooler than the in show design
>>81864546
>"you don't want to turn back? fine do what you want i don't care"
>turn him anyway
>now he mopes around
for what purpose
jetstorm was great and silverbolt deserved better
>>81865531
>dollie in the corner
go back to your own board faggot
>>81865775
I don't even remember what was notable about them beside that Obsidian looks cool and Strika is a girl.
>>81858129
>Regarding Beast Machines TF cartoon, I wanna ask:
>Was it a good idea
No, none of it was a good idea.
>>81866102
>Obsidian
He did look kinda cool, aside from one or two I believe the only good toys were Vehicons
>>81865531
This guy's great. I have the tacky Universe repaint that came with Obsidian. Sadly those two panels on his shoulders cracked. Clear plastic is not a friend to Transformers.
>>81858129
See, I have kind of fond memories of this show from when I was a kid, but thinking about it now, it seems pretty terrible.
>Silverbolt is now a big gay chicken
>Megatron literally does nothing
>The fucking dragon Werewolf was the coolest part of the show and went nowhere
>>81866391
>aside from one or two
Snarl and snake maximal?
IIRC none of the show maximals toys were good and the most show accurate were oversized.
>>81866493
Yeah the universe Tankor colors are kinda ew, but on the upside you have the more show accurate Obsidian
Should beastformers be given rights?
I mean in our functionalst society they can't provide much to the larger Cybertronian machine not to mention their alt modes represent the filthy organic heathens that we are so much above.
I suppose their could be some use for them in scientific experimentation or in the pits of Kaon. Give it some thought but it would be more prudent to thinning their numbers among our ranks.
>>81866761
Yeah @ the snake, Night Viper. The other one I was thinking of is Battle Unicorn.
Although, I forgot about Snarl...I guess he's not too shabby in retrospect.
>>81858129
Jetstorm was good.
Cheetor grew up and Megatron was pure evil.
otherwise the show was meh.
>>81858129
IS it true that the show writers weren't allowed to watch Beast Wars before doing this?
>>81867002
Battle Unicorn is just so silly looking in robot mode
>parachute pants
>Aladdin pointy-tip shoes
>>81866938
No idea, but where do you classify the "weird" vehicons like Thrust, Jetstorm, and Obsidian in Cybertronian society since they lack legs, have claws for hands and their range of expression are limited to optic movements?
>>81867093
Heheh, yeah he is a pretty silly robot but I like the whole knight aesthetic he has goin on
My friend recently showed me all of Wars and Machines. Wars was pretty fucking great but I found it really hard to give a fuck about Machines and frequently found myself zoning out.
>Transformers can multiclass
>Transformers can roll Druids and Shamans
Was pretty great
>>81867320
They serve their purpose as mass produced soldiers that is what matters. So long as their function is fulfilled their is little issue with their robot mode.
Now say Thrust attempted to be a artisan, crafter or some other function requiring precision appendages or motor skills. First he would need to be brought in for Function Acceptance Therapy (FAT) performed by a certified therapist model. After the successful reforming Thrust would then return to his intended duty as a scout class soldier. If the FAT were to fail his parts would be repossessed by the local governing body and reused to assist in the construction of more synergistic bots.
>>81867497
>>Transformers can multiclass
>>Transformers can roll Druids and Shamans
Shame that they can't equip guns
>>81867629
Guns are le evul
>>81868239
And of course, the Maximal with the biggest guns is evil in BM.
7 Days.
>>81868511
Which one do you want to fuck?
>>81868540
Salvage.
>>81868511
I always pictured G1-esque Heatwave would have five o clock shadow.
>>81868511
>meanwhile i have a normal mouth because fuck you i'm high tide
>>81867044
I've always had an affinity for him simply because the g2 toy of the same namesake was the first Transformer I ever got, I pretended they were the same bot
>>81868951
>G2 Jetstorm had a water cannon
>BW Jetstorm could also shoot water
>BM Jetstorm couldn't
Thought they had something going there.
>>81869341
Ahh yeah, I forgot all about the dragonflyformer, never had that guy.
As a kid non show toys were always my favorite cause I got to make up any personality for them I wanted when playing
any scans for the botcon comic? either this year or last years
>>81868540
Chase.
>>81868540
Blades
Thrust was the best plot twist in TF history at you all know it.
>>81872194
It was hilarious but stupid in a way
>>81858129
I wanna say 90's edge but the 90's were long over when this came out right?
>>81862412
You're not supposed to see it as a sequel. Imagine it as a completely new thing that alludes to a series that never existed. It's actually really good if you do.
So, I got paid and for my comics this week, since I've caught up on all my Valiant ongoings, I want to check out some new stuff. Thinking about IDW transformers. Where should I start with this?
>>81866391
Seriously move your doll
>>81864546
The discrepancy between the toys is even worse.
>>81866613
>Megatron literally does nothing
Megatron get shit done in this series
>The fucking dragon Werewolf was the coolest part of the show and went nowhere
That /was/ Megatron.
>>81872194
That was the identity of Optimus' senator friend.
>>81874753
It's not a sequel, it's a show that gets rid of all the awful parts of Beast Wars like fart jokes and unfunny slapstick and Waspinator.
>>81875642
Yeah, it removes the humor (personally I don't get humor, I have asperger's syndrome and humor is something I do not understand) and adds good things like no guns (martial arts are better I took them my whole life I'm a blackbelt inspired by the Matrix by the way) and meditation (I find this to be very deep I am very into Eastern religion myself) and better designs (I draw furry art of Cheetor since he now has two furry forms it's better than robot stuff)
>>81875848
Shitpost way of saying it aside, yes, you're right. Beast Machines is just better than Wars. The designs were stronger, the story more compelling and engaging, and the fights more interesting than Chest High Walls in the Savannah.
>It's not a sequel, it's a show that gets rid of all the awful parts of Beast Wars like fart jokes and unfunny slapstick and Waspinator.
>>81876231
>I like Bayformers, Bumblebee peeing on a guy was hilarious
>>81876231
>gets rid of all the awful parts of Beast Wars like fart jokes and unfunny slapstick
Those parts really were awful though, Waspinator aside.
>>81876298
Bayformers is far from the bottom of the barrel of Transformers media
That spot is reserved for any and all weebtrash, and Beast Machines, which is almost universally hated by toy collectors and Transformers cartoon fans for a very good reason.
>>81876475
It's hated for no good reason. They just wanted more fart jokes.
>>81876514
It's hated because the toyline was mostly awful, the plot was fucking stupid hippie crap, it totally removed itself from everything Transformers was prior, and the designs were fucking awful shit that didn't even look like robots
The Vehicons were the only good thing to come out of this show period, and they were basically wasted because they could have made good Decepticons in a real Transformers show.
>>81876475
>That spot is reserved for any and all weebtrash
>Hating on Cybertron
We can all agree that Nightscream was the absolute worst part of the show, right?
What a faggot that guy was.
>>81876792
Still better than Waspinator.
>>81877113
Great scene
>>81872074
The Korean in the right part
>why can't you look me in the eyes
Or "won't" I guess, whatever is better of a translation
>>81858129
The main problems were that pretty much all the cast became unlikable and that literally 50% of the first season was 'running away from Vehicons'.
The concept of removing free-will from people (or robots in this case) was a good one, but it was executed poorly by being a sequel, yet having little to no resemblance to its predecessor. Should have been a series on its own, disconnected from Beast Wars.
beast machines a shit
>>81884994
>from funny sarcastic ass to mopey sarcastic ass
This episode was particularly rage inducing
But on the other hand, it was also one of the only time Optimus was based in season 1. S1 BM Optimus was so fucking frustrating to watch.
>>81877113
the scene was so cash yo.
>>81877113
that gun tho
>>81884994
Not really. It was pretty good, but it had it's faults. Megatron was far more competent and menacing in Beast Machines than he was in Wars. Machines was Megatron at his very best, all the time.
>>81866102
They were the competent henchmen. That was their thing.
>>81875512
>That /was/ Megatron
It was? Well I guess that fucking goes to show what I remember about this show.
>>81887371
Megatron actually won in Beast Wars
>>81887652
That Pretender to the Name? He was the single biggest disgrace ever to aspire to delusions of command. A reprehensible coward, he seldom led his troops in battle, instead affecting a buffoonish air of superiority. He was unable to keep order among his warriors by means other than dumb brute force, since he earned not one iota of their respect. Fancying himself to be clever and pulling all the strings behind the scenes, his brief career in fact flaunted some of the most blatant stupidity ever to be displayed in the Decepticon ranks.
>>81887652
He took over Cybertron in Beast Machines. He lost the war in Beast Wars and then they decided he won off-screen at the start of Beast Machines.
>>81887714
A. he was the same guy in Beast Machines...
B. he was a Predacon, not Decepticon
>>81887716
Dude I'm not gonna argue with one of the five Beast Machines enthusiasts on the planet, it butchered pretty much every character, if you grew up with it instead of Beast Wars so you just don't care then I can't blame you but I can't imagine anybody who liked Beast Wars then saw Beast Machines and liked the direction they took any of the characters in
>>81887784
>stop liking what I don't like.
That's you. Mellow out, man. I didn't even say it was better, i just said it wasn't shit. Megatron being better depicted was just one of the pros Machines had over Wars.
>>81887784
I grew up with G1, found Beast Wars awful, but really enjoyed Beast Machines since it removed all the things that made me dislike Beast Wars.
>>81888060
I grew up with G1, loved Beast Wars, and found Beast Machines to be an unholy abortion
Tarantulas had a GOAT design.
>>81889566
Original or Transmetal?
>>81889566
Indeed
>>81890056
Why choose?
Tarantulas is a GOAT TF character, also fuck you guys for making me bust out all my toys from nostalgia
>>81887714
Can't really blame Megatron for having a hard time keeping his troops in line. He himself was a rogue and gathered like-minded predacons... probably not the most loyal or competent bunch to start with. Gotta work with what you got.
>>81890443
Predacon culture is the same as Decepticon culture, aka basically fight to survive and survival of the fittest...
Megatron will always accept soldiers who are willing to double cross him as long as he knows he's more powerful than them, probably even sees it as a sign of determination
>>81889566
I liked it when he was a motorcycle with two different heads.
>>81888060
so, you liked g1 and thought teenage mutant angst ninjas vs robots with guns was the next logical step for transformers?
Wasn't there a writer who came clean about all his turned down ideas, like how Nightscream was going to be a little girl like Newt, with Silerbolt and Blackarachnia acting as surrogate parents to it?
>>81892292
bob skir?
iirc some the bad shit in bm were his awful ideas that got approved and his good ideas that got terrible execution.
>>81892292
I hate that Newtscream never happened.
I think Andrea Libman could have been perfect as her.
>>81893096
Andrea Libman is perfect in general
>>81859145
But we are those actions and thoughts, they define us, so we technically are making our own choices, as those choices are us, even if they were always meant to be.
>>81893850
Even the wind can be pointed in directions
>>81887716
Well wasn't he shown surviving at the end of Beast Wars going to Cybertron, that's all it takes really
>>81894569
That makes 0 sense to the context. The point to refute on the first post is about free will, the second post is about how we actually have the will because it is the definition of who we are, so it is what we will chose as it is us.
Your claim is not tangentially related.
>>81899126
>>81867629
>"Real heroes don't use guns." - Bob Budinsky, creator of Beasties Machines
>>81901965
>Optimus Prime isn't a real hero
>>81887784
>I can't imagine anybody who liked Beast Wars then saw Beast Machines and liked the direction they took any of the characters in
No, but I enjoy it on its own merits when I don't think of it as a Beast Wars sequel.
The Vehicon designs are great, the Maximals - especially Primal - have grown on me, and the plot is pretty good, especially for being one of the most unique takes on Transformers.
>>81902045
Okay, wow, of all the responses to that post, I didn't expect anyone to take it SERIOUSLY.
Mind you, I didn't expect anyone to respond at all.
To clarify - nobody ever said "Real heroes don't use guns", Bob Budiansky was the original writer for the Marvel Transformers comics, Bob Skir was the BM writer who explained that he's not a fan of guns and that it was a personal choice to not have the BM characters use them, and, uh, the show's called Beast Machines, not Beasties Machines.
>>81899126
What a retard you are
>>81902233I'm pretty drunk, m8. I'm not really paying attention.
>>81902322
>>81868540
Chase
>>81868540
