Is Tom King and by extension the Batman line, the only new blood to be really breaking into the a list nowadays?
>>81856903
Al Ewing too, then again that depends on whether you'd class what he's on as A-List.
>>81856903
Steve Orlando's great
Josh Williamson is underrated.
>>81856903
Midnighter is a hell of a lot better than I expected it to be. Will it still be running and will Orlando still be writing it?
>>81856903
>White as hell
But black people love comics and super heroes and shit.
I go to an hbcu and its like /co/ to the extreme
>>81860496
Supergirl.
>>81860026
I hope williamsons flash run is really good. Flash needs it
Orlando is BEYOND based. I thought Midnighter was going to suck because the first few issues were lackluster, but the last like, seven have been some of the best shit DC has published in years.
>>81860510
...they're turning Midnighter into Supergirl?
>>81860541
Midnighter is cancelled. Orlando will be writing Supergirl.
>>81860541
Similar how Lucas appear on Grayson. Apollo may make a apparance.
>>81856903
There was Lenire, Snyder, Fawkes and co. during the start of the new 52 but they all flamed out hard besides Snyder. This stuff happens every few years.
>>81860621
Lemire's creator owned work is all great, Fawkes' only good book I've read has been Gotham By Midnight, he's just painfully generic by every account.
>>81860688
I mean flamed out as in success on big books which is why I named lemire, also read One Soul by Fawkes
>big 2 capeshit
>creators
>>81860598
But Supergirl is boring and no one can make a go of it. Why make yet another comic for her?
>>81860822
There are no boring characters, just bad writers.
>>81860026
nigga williamson is the definition of mediocre. I read Ghosted in its entirety and most of Nailbiter and honestly this shit is just watered down tv pitches with a real lack of substance
>>81856903
Soule probably could've been one for DC but they didn't put them on higher profile books and then he went to marvel and turned to crap
He's still getting more known and can hold his own tho
But yeah King seems to be the new one DC is pushing since it worked well for Snyder.
And >>81857691 too. I can see Marvel trying to put him on more stuff now that Hickman and Remender are gone for them.
>>81860688
Dunno what else he wrote, but Gotham by Midnight was awesome.
>>81860822
Supergirl sales. >>81860854
Agreed Kara is not that bad the only run i hate is Loeb/joe Kelly.
>>81860688
Fawkes has been alright with the second half of Robin SoB. Gotham by Midnight got me into horror comics.
>>81860869
I'm basing opinion on Williamson on the Red Skull SW mini and Illuminati. Besides recently with Booth/Vendetti, Flash has had consistently good runs. I hope it holds true.
>>81860621
Lemire was one of those guys you could tout in conversation and people would say you had good taste. Both Animal Man and Essex County were seminally good works. I think the last big thing Lemire had going for him was Green Arrow. After that you could tell he was getting stale, and even his indie work suffers (Descender only has great art. The plot is stale as all can be) now. It is weird to see that Snyder is the last vestige of that era (you could count matt kindt too, he still puts out fantastic comics)
I think King and Orlando are the next in DC's crop of talent to stick around
>>81860879
the loss of hickman, brubaker, and remender (also matt fraction and gillen to an extent) I think was a huge blow for marvel you can tell. Like they're def trying to push Walker and Ewing and ugh Jason Aaron into those positions and some others but it only works partially. They still have claims on Warren Ellis, which is an ace in the hole they bust out every so often but desu they don't have the same decent stable of writers they had 5-6 years ago
>>81860618
>Lucas
I refuse to believe any real Midnighter fan would call him that
>>81861018
Ewing is a completely different kind of writer to Hickman, Brubaker and Remender. Ewing is more like Busiek.
>>81860939
>with Booth/Vendetti, Flash has had consistently good runs
Opinio discarded. You don't know what good comic is.
>>81860907
People buy Supergirl? Even when Peter David was writing it, it didn't sell well.
>>81861073
He said "besides recently", can you not read
>>81861055
>I refuse to believe any real Midnighter fan would call him that
>>81861074
It's like Batgirl, around 20-30k after it settles in. That's not bad.
>>81861074
Supergirl was at like 26k+ near the end of her run when she stopped having crossovers, that's pretty good.
>>81861069
yr missing the point. it's not a comparison between writers but it is more like "who is marvel trying to push now that they lost all these highly stylized writers?"
>>81861074
It won't make much difference, people didn't buy Midnighter either. I think Orlando is a very good writer though, he's shown the ability to write a variety of characters well.
>>81861132
>>81861143
>>81861162
What's Midnighter been selling?
It's pretty much the only DC book I'm buying right now.
marvel's problem is they'll never have an old-school obsessive like johns, someone who balances the casual with the continuity porn
>>81861169
Midnighter is below 10k because comic fans are plebs who don't buy good things. It hurts my soul.
>>81860822
>But Supergirl is boring and no one can make a go of it.
You're wrong. And even though the new 52 volume overall was pretty weak, Michael Alan Nelson's far too brief run was decent and showed a lot of promise. He had an excellent handle on Kara's character and utilised it as a strength.
>>81861169
It's beating Omega Men, but that's about it.
>>81861190
Ewing's in that neighborhood
>>81856903
Oh boy, the makers of cheap pandering and lol so random sexual innuendos!
Comics are saved!
>>81856903
Palmiotti/Conner is a weird one
Harley is one of DC's best sellers, and DC probably did try to get some of that on Starfire, and it did kind of work considering her book was one of the few that didn't flop. I can see them and DC trying their hand at another title in the future like Harley and Starfire.
But they aren't gonna be like Morrison, Hickman, etc who have massive runs that clearly build up to crossovers and events and have fall outs, etc
>>81861190
That is Ewing. It's also Tom King, both of them make a point of tapping continuity. I would saw Ewing even avoids doing it for sheer continuity porn like Johns does.
>>81861251
Along with Palmiotti/Gray
>>81860506
There's a lot of factors to this. One of them is definitely racism, intentional or not, but a lot of people tend to incorrectly assume that this is the sole case.
The fact is that there are simply far less blacks than there are whites. And proportionally there are less blacks who go into creative fields than whites. So already you have a less pool of black talents to hire from than whites. And then you have to look for the actual good talents. I mean not every Black writer is Christopher Priest tier.
>>81861120
Exactly, no one should take the New52 Stormwatch run seriously. Or Giffen's run for that matter, where the name Lucas Trent first appeared.
>>81861251
Palmiotti and Conner are by no means "next generation talent" as they've been around for years
>>81860688
>Lemire's creator owned work is all great
Not Trillium and Descender. Haven't finished Plutona because I simply was not enjoying that as a monthly read. Will check it out when it's all done.
>>81861391
But they weren't really big-time until Harley Quinn
>>81861371
>not loving the alien owls
IT'S BACK IN THE CAGE FOR YOU LUCAS
NO MICE FOR YOU TONIGHT
>>81861095
>>81861095
No I can't, despite having read it twice to make sure what I was reading was right. I'm far too sleepy for this shit
>>81861192
That's fucking depressing.
>>81861213
That's even more fucking depressing, I've been meaning to read that because of how good everyone says it is.
>>81861352
Speaking of Priest, I'm still shocked they got him for Deathstroke
>>81861391
Nobody cared about them until Harley
Power Girl was probably their most well known title before that
>>81861480
I was going to said Hex
>>81861371
I agree
>>81861480
Maybe not critically, but Palmiotti has had an in with Didio for a while. A lot of financially failed projects kept alive longer than usual.
>>81861441
It's super good.
>>81861397
>Not Trillium
Really? What didn't you like about Trillium?
>>81861266
>>81861219
I'd say Ewing does not balance the casual aspect well. Whenever I see him praised it's usually with mention how well he utilises continuity. And while that may make his comics read a lot better as someone who is not at all well versed with his comics I have felt none of that appeal and found everything I've read written by him to be entirely mediocre.
>>81861496
>people caring about him
Didio is only one man, anon.
>>81861447
I'm surprised a bigger deal of it wasn't made. For God's sake, it's Christopher fucking Priest. At least Johns did say Deathstroke would be the most nuanced book of Rebirth.
>>81861540
The plot was entirely far too boring. And it didn't help that I dislike the watercolours with Lemire's art. I feel his art shines best when it's just black and white.
>>81861541
I think while his Ultimates got off to a slow start, everything he's on right now is above average for sure.
>>81861447
They mentioned at the rebirth event it wasn't the first thing they offered him. You know DC wanted him on cyborg
>>81861541
>literally just had a comic about the Avengers fighting a godzilla
>doesn't manage the casual aspect well
>>81861541
The only Ewing thing I read so far is The Ultimates and I'm enjoying it a whole lot. I'm also someone who's pretty casual when it comes to comics, but I don't feel lost even if I can tell he's someone who's really into continuity and he uses stuff from comics I never read yet.
>>81861447
I know he doesn't want to be the black writer, but I do hope they've been talking to him about the Milestone revival too.
>>81861637
Hahaha yeah I wouldn't be too surprised if they did want him for Cyborg.
>>81861619
>I feel his art shines best when it's just black and white.
I agree there, I still enjoyed Trillium but Lemire is at his best in B&W
>>81861637
On how Christopher Priest ended up returning to DC:
DiDio: It's interesting. We called him. [Laughter]
It's so weird because what you think is -- certain people, you take for granted, you think they're always busy. We're sitting around, we're talking about what a wonderful job, what an amazing job he did on "Black Panther." Everybody's going, "I don't know, are we gonna call him?" Everybody's like, "He must be busy, we haven't heard from him." Because if we don't hear from somebody obviously they must be too busy, and that's not the case. So we called him up, we talked to him about one book and it didn't click but he's interested in doing something. Okay, what's open? We pitched a whole [bunch of] different ideas to him and he really latched onto "Deathstroke." Because of that, this is a massive win. It was great to have him come on board. Editorially and across the board, we're all huge fans of his work. The fact that he's coming back to DC to do this is something really special.
>>81861654
I only gave my take on it and did say among what I read. I passed on New Avengers because the art was completely terrible.
>>81861654
>>81861655
I guess I'll give Ultimates another try and see what I think of it.
>>81860537
>That Promoetheus reveal
>>81861792
>you will never get Middy to fuck you as part of your master plan
why even live
>>81861779
The art levels out a lot after the first couple issues
>>81860621
Yeah but Tom King just started writing comics and he literally has written four books and they are all great
>>81861724
Priest is far too underappreciated. I'm glad he's getting work and I hope it leads to more consistent stuff. The guy is far too good and him not writing comics is definitely a loss.Is it racism, /co/?
>>81861896
>yfw he drops the ball hard on Batman and everybody hates it
>>81861528
There a zip file of the whole thing somewhere so I don't have to crawl through the Win-O archive?
>>81861018
They didnt loose them they used them, Hickman did his huge mega epic, Fraction had tons of a list books and so did Remender
>>81861941
He won't.
>>81860822
I like what he said in an interview about Supergirl, so I'm going to check it out when it comes out. He's the type of writer that loves obscure characters and does a lot of research when he writes something, so I'm guessing he'll bring some crazy shit into Supergirl too like he did with Prometheus in Midnighter.
http://comicboxcommentary.blogspot.ro/2016/04/steve-orlando-interview.html
The interview for anyone who wants to read it.
>>81861192
The beginning of Midnighter was bring. And after finding the DC Sneak Peak and the first issue to be utterly mediocre I cancelled my pre-orders and took it of my pull list. It's not as good as you think it is. And even if it did get much better later, that is a little too alte.
>>81862001
But what if he does
Then everybody will hate Vision and Omega Men by association
>>81862029
I dunno about you, but I'd far rather have sex with Supergirl as part of my master plan.It was me, Prometheus!
>>81861985
Not yet AFAIK (or, I don't have one) but there probably will be once it finishes up.
>>81862069
At worst it will be mediocre. It won't be utter trash. And for people to cehemntly hate it like that he'll have to royally fuck up or change the paradigm of the bat-universe. Which I don't believe will happen at all
>>81862116
kek
>>81861904
Honestly I think the Didio quote kind of tells the story there. People will assume you're busy with other shit if you're not kind of buddies with someone who has pull. Almost seems like a fluke that they bothered to reach out to him.
>>81862029
I'm concerned because the solicits and everything make it seem like it's just new 52 retread with some things from the TV show mixed in. That interview does help though since it seems like he cares about her.
>>81862029
>He's the type of writer that does a lot of research when he writes
Prove it.
>>81861724
The "I guess he's busy" line of thinking shows how much bullshit there is in industries like this. How do you not know if Priest is busy or not?
>>81862192
>I'm concerned because the solicits and everything make it seem like it's just new 52 retread with some things from the TV show mixed in
Pretty much my main concern about the book too. And I must say I'm utterly dissapointed that not only are we losing the New52 Sperman we're also losing the New52 Supergirl.
>>81862273
>how do you not know wether this guy who you don't know personally at all is busy or not
Are you serious? They don't have camers on him or anything
>>81861190
>Continuity
>DC
After everything's rebooted?
>>81862405
this whole idea of rebirth was johns anyways and its bringing back aspects of the old while mixing with the new which is ideally what new 52 should have been
I'm liking Seeley squad as well. Is Nightwing going to be biweekly?
Williams' Martian Manhunter is great and fun as well.
>>81862198
I mean, he kept posting panels from old Supergirl comics on his twitter, said he read every comic with Midnighter before writing the book and there are interviews where he says research is one of the most important parts of writing comics.
I remember reading an interview where he was asked about his creator owned OGN about a black cop from Jamaica. Interviewer said something about him being white and writing about black characters (if there should be black creators doing it or something?) and Orlando said that research is more important than being the same race/nationality/sexuality as the character in your story. Something along the lines of that stuff not mattering as long as you do your research and treat the characters with respect.
>>81862600
He should've just asked the interview if he was homophobic
>>81862587
Yeah Nightwing is twice a month
>>81861904
>Is it racism, /co/?
Sort of. He became the industry's token black writer, and found it a bit sickening that they rarely let him touch anything other than minorities, and even when they did it was usually nothing but scraps that he was thrown because no one gave a shit about them.
