Mark my words.
The infighting between Feige and Ike is what will sink the MCU unless Disney steps in, fires Ike, and makes Feiges buddy Loeb boss of TV.
Hiw long until the movies want to use someone like, say, Absorbing Man, and they don't get The TV studios permission? Do we just have two Absorbung Men running around?
>>81838638
Sweetie, nobody cares. Go down on Nikki Finke if you want someone to listen to this garbage.
Aren't we having that problem now? Is one of the bad guy in the new Thor movie a character that was already in AoS, but is played by a different actress.
>>81838996
No.
>>81838996
Enchantress is confirmed for Thor 3?
>>81838638
You're reaching there, Micheal. The main problem lies with scheduling issues. The movies are planned waaaay ahead of the TV shows, so the shows have to bend to the canon. Feige doesn't have a huge problem with Ike.
You're making a mountain out of a molehill
>>81839058
I think all the rumors that point to Hela as the big bad
>>81839058
It's rumored
>>81838638
It's already happened. Crusher Creel was the guy who Jack Murdock fought in Daredevil but he was a spry buck in AoS.
>>81838638
>Feiges buddy Loeb boss of TV
Loeb IS the boss of TV.
>>81839069
What? AoS and Netflix shows are both made by Marvel Television under Loeb, and Feige has nothing to do with them. Making Creel the same person was intentional on their part. Like Daisy and Matt being from the same orphanage and the Dogs of Hell being in Daredevil S2.
Feige handles Marvel Studios under Disney. Loeb handles Marvel Television under Perlmutter.
>>81838996
>>81839058
The person that showed up in AoS was Lorelei, the Enchantress' sister.
>>81839215
I believe Crusher Creel was the father of AoS's Creel. The TV side seems to be paying attention to all its details as evidenced by Daredevil's references to the ABC show.
>>81839471
>I believe Crusher Creel was the father of AoS's Creel
Wait, but that would mean that the Creel in AoS isStonewall. Man, they're really using a lot from Secret Warriors. I should storytime that soon.
>>81839471
>>81839624
He's the same character. Actor is like 40, which would make him 18-20 around the time in daredevil, which is why he got beat up, and why he seeked chemical help.
If anything they're amalgamating the characters of Absorbing Man and Stonewall for simplicity's sake.
>makes Feiges buddy Loeb boss of TV.
No. Shame on you for even suggesting that.
>>81839624
>>81839692
You should still storytime Secret Warriors
>>81839816
Typical Boco, not being up to date on shit. Loeb has ALWAYS been the head of Marvel TV.
>>81839816
Loeb is already the boss of TV. What he suggested is what has always been the case.
>>81839887
>>81839898
I guess I shoukd say, Loeb unfettered by Ike.
>>81839887
>>81839898
Huh, I thought he was only in charge of animation.
He needs to have as few responsibilities as possible.
>>81839816
But Loeb has actually been doing a good job as head of TV. Perlmutter just doesn't allow him to let his underlings talk to the movies' side.
Loeb should go work for Feige instead of Perlmutter. Now that's talking.
>>81839957
He's not involved with animation anymore. When the Netflix stuff was starting up, he left that and was replaced by Walker so Loeb could focus on Marvel Television. That's why USM and AA started doing overarching plots during their season 2/3s.
>>81839957
He's responsible for the Netflix stuff man. It's good that he's a producer for TV shows that have the extra layer of a showruner, so he basically just manages people.
SHIELD even has gotten better. He's legit good at it, it seems.
>>81839957
Jesus Boco, Stephen Wacker has been doing animation since 2014
>>81839970
>Perlmutter just doesn't allow him to let his underlings talk to the movies' side.
He also gives them tiny budgets to work with, but that's forced them to make the most out of what they have.
>>81840039
Good to know.
Has USM improved at all?
>>81840057
A little. They all have, especially Avengers
>>81840044
Meanwhile based Feige invites the SHIELD crew to a screening 4 weeks before the premiere so they can adjust and course correct in time for it not to fuck their show up.
>>81840057
Yeah, its gotten better.
Not necessarily GOOD, just better than it was.
Avengers Assemble, meanwhile, has legit gotten decent. Not as good as EMH, but OK for uts own thing.
>>81840057
Yes, but it's still nowhere near as good as Spectacular. Avengers Assemble has also improved, but is still not as good as EMH.
They've both gone from bad shows to mediocre shows. They're watchable with the occasional good episode or arc, but I wouldn't recommend watching all of either of them.
>>81840124
I will add that the Dr. Doom, Squadron Supreme, and Masters of Evil/Thunderbolts episodes are all pretty good. If you're going to watch any of them, I'd say seek those out.
>>81840124
Those early GotG were painful
>>81840044
>tiny budgets
>we won't gwt Ghost Rider, Kamala Khan, or Howard the Duck until Ike leaves.
>>81840018
I was thinking about this last night when I was bitching about Loeb being a hack and ruining everything he touches. The TV stuff has all been consistently good for the most part. I don't understand it becuase he really fucked Smallville and Heroes, but I hope they keep him contained there and far away from the animation division.
>>81840207
Yes, Perlmutter's restrictevly small budgets are the exact reason we're probably not going to get Ghost Rider and maybe even Blade shows. I remember reading an interview with Loeb and someone else where they said they actually were considering doing both, but the need for CGI is making it hard for them to figure out how they'd do it while staying under budget.
>>81840159
>Go into MoE and Zemo episodes expecting shit
>They're actually inoffensive and have good characterization for the MoE for the most part
>I actually want to watch the T-Bolts episodes now
>>81840257
Can't that guy understand you need to soend koney to make money?
Marvel could drive DC out of the TV game like they've locked them out of movies if they would spring for some early aughts level CGI.
Is Marvel going to go full cosmic after Infinity War?
>>81840257
Seeing the CG for the Netflix shows is hilarious already, imagining Ghost Rider on that shoestring would be embarrassing. I'm mildly concerned for Iron-Fists chi hands.
>>81840345
No, why would they?
>>81840219
They have like 8 shows now, so he's too busy to tell people how to do stuff. So now he just assigns people and oversees major continuity.
He's pretty great at it, although the Marvel brand is attracting a lot of great writers and talent for it's visibility and projection, so it kind of sorts itself out, for the most part.
>>81840219
He left before Heroes turned to shit and his Smallville stuff is some of the best
>>81840328
>Can't that guy understand you need to soend koney to make money?
I don't think you quite understand who Ike Perlmutter is. This is the person that the biggest jews in the world look to and go "dude, you shouldn't be so frugal."
>>81839313
>>81840257
>>81840328
>>81840554
>Perlmutter
I'm amazed Disney hasn't sacked that guy considering how many problems can be laid at his feet these days
>>81840710
he has a bunch of the shares of the company.
>>81838638
>Do we just have two Absorbung Men running around?
Yes. This is exactly what would happen. If you think for a second that if Fiege wanted to do something and that he would stop if it conflicted with TV you're delusional.
>>81840815
I'm sure they can find a way around that, or if necessary buy him out
>>81840887
And just like that, "It's All Connected" dies.
Isn't there some minor character in Civil War rumored to be in Luke Cage?
idk how this would sink the MCU anyway, I bet a lot of people who watch the movies don't even know the shows exist
Here's the thing, will AoS even make it to Phase 4?
>>81841731
It's a new character with the same actress.
People got confused.
>>81841731
>>81841769
Wait, what actress is this?
>>81841766
Syndication money is a hell of a drug.
>>81838638
Speaking of Absorbing Man, in the comics he was given powers by Loki right? I think they could easily write that into AoS. He was one of the people Loki controlled and he gave powers to him to counter Thor, but somehow he never made it to the Battle of New York, like Loki had him doing something else at the time.
BOOM, there you go.
>>81838638
That's what's going to happen, Marvel Studios doesn’t require Marvel Entertainment's permission for anything so if they wanted Absorbing Man they would recast.
>>81841769
>>81841809
Someone pls answer.
>>81839313
This.
Internal company war or not, they keep in touch with the stories.
>>81842097
Black chick. Playing a corrupt politician in Luke Cage as a primary antagonist. Also playing a corrupt politician in a scene or two of Civil War. Not the same corrupt politician though.
>>81842097
>>81842214
Was the she supposed to be a mother or something that lost her child in Africa, in which she tells STARK about it?
>>81841032
The MCU was never real. It was just a dream of a kid from New Jersey.
>>81841032
I think that's being a little hasty. I don't think recasting means "is all connected" gets canned (look at War Machine and obviously Bruce Banner) but it may be jarring and disconnecting for some.
Infinity War will solve the connections issues, though.
>>81841731
It wouldn't be the first time this has happened.
>>81838638
why would they want Absorbing Man?
>>81842481
Also agent Sousa was in Avengers. And Agent Carter was produced by the movie studios. And Starlord's mum was in Cap 1. It's okay, it's just a bunch of identical twins separated at birth.
>>81842753
If Hulk can be played by two different actors then I don't see why the same actor can't play two different parts.
It's like an art change on comics. Someone just went off-model or is practicing a bad case of the same-face.
>>81841931
It defeats the whole purpose of a shared universe anyways and Marvel's running into the same problems they founded this whole studio to get away from in the first place.
>>81842848
>mfw Punisher netflix series with everyone played by Bernthal
>>81843043
Unfortunately, Feige had Papa Disney rip that studio they founded out from under them because Feige didn't like having to play ball with Perlmutter.
>>81840328
i dunno Arrow & Guggs seem to be trying their best to drive DC out of tv on their own
>>81843172
fucking do it and make it like the old Adam West Batman show with the pop up sound effects, all of which are "Frank"
>>81843043
they founded the studio to get 100% of the profits not to have a shared universe that was just a nice extra
>>81838638
>The infighting between Feige and Ike is what will sink the MCU unless Disney steps in, fires Ike, and makes Feiges buddy Loeb boss of TV.
...But Disney already did step in.
Marvel Studios is no longer a Marvel company, but a Disney subsidiary. Ike has no influence in the movies anymore, and Kevin Feige reports only to Bob Iger.
Marvel Television, however, still has to deal with Ike.
>>81840386
>He left before Heroes turned to shit and his Smallville stuff is some of the best
I don't know about Smallville, but Loeb was actually one of the big reasons Heroes went downhill and was actually fired from it by NBC.
I think his current status of being "okay" stems from two things.
>Not actually writing anything, but just assigning people jobs
>No longer in the huge grieving stage after the loss of his son
>>81843506
That's the point of this whole thread, in case you didn't notice.
>>81838638
No one likes Marvel or their shitty movies around here. Get lost.
>>81843720
>Still this salty
>>81843789
> someone critics my shitty movies
> must be a DCuck!
Embarrassing
>>81840710
He's their third biggest single owner share holder. Only Lucas and the Jobs estate have more.
>>81840328
Dude, this is the same guy who wanted to serve potato chips at the Iron Man premiere and counted pop cans whenever there was a press briefing to ensure nobody had more than two.
>>81840057
Season 3 of USM wasn't good but I honestly had fun watching it. I really don't see the point in him having a team though if they're never going to actually focus on them to any degree. Even in their focus episodes they often get sidelined.
>>81840118
The first season of Assemble was so terrible I wasn't sure I never even finished it.
Is season 2 really that much better?
I think the episode where they just recreate Avengers final battle nearly shot for shot and line for line, and the episode with Attuma might two of the worst things I've ever watched.
>>81843836
What's embarrassing it that you think you've successfully disguised your butthurt as "criticism" when you actually just said
>No one likes Marvel or their shitty movies around here. Get lost.
Showing how mad you are.
>>81843506
>Marvel Studios is no longer a Marvel company, but a Disney subsidiary. Ike has no influence in the movies anymore, and Kevin Feige reports only to Bob Iger.
>Marvel Television, however, still has to deal with Ike.
at this point Disney should just merge the rest of Marvel into them and sack Perlmutter
>>81843935
>He's their third biggest single owner share holder. Only Lucas and the Jobs estate have more.
wonder how much money it would take to buy him out
>>81844445
>wonder how much money it would take to buy him out
at least a billion
>>81842214
Wait, hol up. I just looked this up.
>ALFRE WOODARD'S "LUKE CAGE" ROLE REVEALED AS MARIAH DILLARD
They're actually doing a version of "Black Mariah" in the Luke Cage show?
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>81838638
good. fuck marlel
>>81842848
>It's like an art change on comics. Someone just went off-model or is practicing a bad case of the same-face.
This is why I hoped that if they had done Amazing Spider-Man 3 they just go and cast Emma Stone as Mary Jane.
>>81838638
>The infighting between Feige and Ike is what will sink the MCU
>implying this is a bad thing.
>>81843172
This franks my frank.
>>81838638
Why are they fighting/hate each other? I don't get it.
>>81839313
The St. Achnes orphanage was proven to be bullshit as it was literally never mentioned that's what Matt's orphanage was called.
>>81838920
Found the Tumblrina.
>>81851354
Because Ike is one of those stereotypical stingy jews who likes to micromanage everything. Feige got sick of him and apparently threatened to quit, so Bob Iger got rid of Perlmutter on the movie side.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/how-marvel-became-envy-scourge-720363
Just read this article if you want to know how crazy Perlmutter is when it comes to money.
>>81851808
>He relishes his reputation as secretive and frugal, according to a top executive who has dealt with him: "It's things like, 'Why do you need a new pencil? There's 2 inches left on that one!' "
>Jessica Dunne, then-head of global product licensing, reportedly complained she felt threatened when Perlmutter, a registered gun owner, told her he had a bullet with her name on it.
Kek, this guy sounds insane.
>>81851855
>told her he had a bullet with her name on it
Okay I'm warming up to this guy now.
>>81851808
He sounds like my old boss where I had to call people we were supposed to meet with in advance to tell them of his behaviorisms so that they knew how to handle dealing with him.
It also makes me want to get into the movie business with the sole intention of taking his picture.
He also seems like a really racist motherfucker.
>And according to the FT, when Marvel replaced Terrence Howard with Don Cheadle in Iron Man 2 to save money, Perlmutter was alleged to have told colleagues that no one would notice because both actors are black.
This jew is fucking awesome.
>>81851808
>Ike is massively racist
>Official Statement: Ike's not racist because FemThor and BlackCap
Tokenism at its finest, yet people laud Marvel for being OH SO PROGRESSIVE
>>81838638
>>81838638
>The infighting between Feige and Ike is what will sink the MCU
huh?
>>81838638
I thought the infighting got resolved? Isn't Ike in charge of the TV division or what?
>>81843673
Loeb was fired from Heroes before season 3, AKA when it turned to shit. He quit Smallville before season 4
>>81851484
What the fuck are you talking about? They literally say that Matt was in Saint Agnes Orphanage in Daredevil S1, Episode 7. The episode about Stick.
>>81851942
Cheadle was cheeper? How the fuck? The guy is far more tallented and been in far better shows. Watch House of Lies. Show is fucking awesome
>>81852486
That's the problem. Connection issues are starting to stir up when it comes to the shows and movies. Some people are starting to get irritated because they won't connect the shows to the movies outside of references.
No one knows why they aren't doing it yet, but scheduling conflicts is the common answer.
>>81851768
>the anon who cried tumblr
Agents of Shield was a mistake. Can't believe people actually want to see Daisy and the expendable SHIELD agents in MCU. DC did well to separate their universes even if their cinematic universe is on a shit start.
>>81842214
>Black chick. Playing a corrupt politician in Luke Cage as a primary antagonist. Also playing a corrupt politician in a scene or two of Civil War. Not the same corrupt politician though.
Alfre Woodward will be playing the same character in Civil War and Luke Cage.
>>81856161
>Cheadle was cheeper? How the fuck?
Howard was the first actor cast in IM1, when it was envisioned with an Avatar sized budget.
Howard's contract was locked in and he was paid more than everyone, even RDJ. He refused to take a pay cut for the sequel, so he was out.
>>81856161
It wasn't that Cheadle was cheaper. They didn't want to pay Howard what he was asking. Terrence Howard thought he was hot shit and he thought he could demand an RDJ-sized paycheck, and Marvel said "lol no" and gave him the boot
>>81856487
Nop, check google.
In Civil War she's just a random black mother that screams at Stark.
>>81856458
It took two season but the show is pretty fun now.
>>81856241
>No one knows why they aren't doing it yet
Oh we know
Kevin Feige flat out doesn't give a fuck about television. He's got Chris Evans, RDJ, Scarlet Johansson, Chris Hemsworth. He can make a fuck ton of money and doesn't need small time TV actors to show up and save his movie
>>81856632
>Oh we know
No you don't
>>81856458
>Can't believe people actually want to see Daisy and the expendable SHIELD agents in MCU
I would rather see like Hawkeye or Black Widow show up on SHIELD
ABC can't afford it though, so they just go with C-listers like Strucker and Maria Hill
>>81856671
This shit has been going on for like 3 years already, and every time it's brought up in interviews, the execs play dumb and offer the same old excuses
The reality is they don't give a fuck about connecting TV and movies because they know they can make money without doing so. They're in the money making business, not the fan pleasing business. They don't care if you never see Cap on TV or never see Daredevil in a movie. They are making money regardless so it doesn't matter to them
>>81856543
>>81856549
What an idiot. Did he seriously think he was that important? That he made the movie more than RDJ?
Glad hes gone.
>>81856690
I just want to see DD passing by in the Spider-Man movie.
>>81856779
>Glad hes gone.
Agreed. His performance was completely forgettable, meanwhile Don Cheadle is fun to watch
I was initially against G. Willow Wilson's tempter tantrum at Ike.
But it seems Ike really is a dick.
>>81856743
But what happens when the Russos say they WANT Daredevil and the Defenders for IW. They said they hvmave access to like 54 established characters. After TWS and CW there is no way Fiege would say no to working with Ike a bit.
>>81856908
>But what happens when the Russos say they WANT Daredevil and the Defenders for IW.
They already said they don't, because they have to utilize so many characters already and make their role in the story seem meaningful
>>81856908
>But what happens when the Russos say they WANT Daredevil and the Defenders for IW.
Then the mouse will provide. For the mouse giveth as he taketh away
>>81856743
Actually i think Feige likes Daredevil.
> Going forward and certainly as they begin to do more shows and cast them with such great actors as they have -- particularly Daredevil -- that that may occur. A lot of it is by the time we start doing a movie, they'd be midway through a season; by the time it comes out they'd be done with the second, starting the third season. Finding timing on that is not always easy."
AoS is Marvel's retarded child. At least Daredevil is critically acclaimed.
>>81852414
This is the same man who gave 2 million dollars to Trump's campaign. Using Marvel to drain the SJW's of their money, then giving that money to their most hated enemy. You can't out kike the ike.
>>81856908
It's in Charlie Cox's contract that if the movie side wants to use him in the role of Daredevil, that he has to reprise the role.
They CAN, they just won't.
>>81840710
>I'm amazed Disney hasn't sacked that guy considering how many problems can be laid at his feet these days
>WAH WAH WAH Perlmutter donated private funds to the Trump campaign BOYCOT MARVEL MOVIES MAKE THEM FEEL THE BERN!
Get over it.
>>81857104
Daredevil has been such a huge fucking success though. I dont see why they wouldn't.
>>81842132
The Russos outright admitted they have no idea what AoS is doing and retconned casualty numbers from Daredevil.
>>81857182
>I dont see why they wouldn't.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO
They have fucking Robert Downey Jr and Chris Pratt and shit
Nobody is going to be impressed by Charlie Cox in a movie
>>81856946
Man it's been a while since I've seen that picture.
>>81857214
I'd be up for a cameo at least.
Spiderman: Homecoming is supposed to take place when Peter's already been in business for a while, so he could be a good older brother/mentor character.
>>81857469
>>81857469
They're just going to put Iron Man in the Spider-Man movie
>>81857214
The comic fans would be impressed. Marvel has done a good job at being marketed at the masses but having enough of the comic stuff in it to still cater to the actual fans. And if they can add hype to every movie the whole machine grows. This isnt a single summer blockbuster nor even a trilogy nor even an Xmen style universe where itbis all sequential. This impacts the whole universe. If you make one movie better the others benefit.
Ant man was a great movie that a lot of people only went to see cause it was marvel. But a lot didnt see it cause who the fuck is Ant Man? Now CW reviews are calling him one of the best parts which impacts Ant Man and Wasp. And Ant Man was their trial of doing Dr Strange.
It's all connected like a spider web, pardon the pun. And what benefits one movie leaches into the others. I think what saves Thor in the public eye is his roll in Avengers, which really did have some great moments.
Adding another star to IW will benefit all thebother movies
>>81856570
>Nop, check google.
>In Civil War she's just a random black mother that screams at Stark.
I did, she's playing the same character. It's speculation that she isn't.
>>81857563
You're looking at it from the perspective of the fans
Look at it from the perspective of the executives. They can make a ton of money off of Guardians of the Galaxy. They don't have any reason to bother with Daredevil or go through the trouble of working him into a movie. It's not worth it to them.
>>81857209
Source?
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
It's the TV whows who adapt themselves to the movie.
TV Show are literally Extended Universe that barely, if not at all affect the movies, wile the TV show adapt themselves to the movies.
>>81840887
No, we haven't. So far, there is only One absorbing man and he is in AoS.
>>81857644
Fans are a commodity, that is how thry mske their money. This is how companies grow, they create a market snd then expand.
>>81857104
>>81857214
I just want to see Charlie in the movie. I don't even mind if he's just passing at the back being blind and stuff
>>81858453
Or Spider-Man swinging, and Frank catches a glimpse before continuing his Frank.
>>81845527
The Cage villains (Black Mariah, Shades, and Cottonmouth) so far sound like they're going to have barely any similarities to the comic versions.
>>81842214
>>81856487
To be honest, that seems like a similar case to Gideon Malick in Agent of Shield.
Had a small role in the Avengers movie then got more fleshed out in the tV show.
>>81860478
Malick has had a tough life.
>>81838920
>Sweetie
stopped reading there
>>81856487
>>81857583
http://screencrush.com/captain-america-civil-war-alfre-woodard/
that was hard
>>81860944
>When I asked them over the phone they both responded with a definitive “no” before explaining. “She was cast initially on Robert [Downey, Jr.]’s suggestion to play the character of Miriam. It was only after that we found out she was going to be in Luke Cage…She absolutely is not the same person.”
Man, stuff like this makes me sad. Whedon may have abandoned Agents of SHIELD, and said he wouldn't act as if Coulson survived for the purposes of Avengers movies, but at least he acknowledged it existed. This is not even the first time this has happened.
http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/dont-expect-any-mention-of-inhumans-in-captain-america-civil-war
>>81861230
You said that as if they will not adapt. I can assure you the Netflix team have already modified their writing to make her the same character.
Same way they adapted Ward after hearing about Winter Soldier, even though they had already shot episode one and had to rewrite the rest.
It will not be an issue.
No, my real concern is, will they allow Fisk to play in a Spiderman Solo movie.
>>81861309
>THOSE SUPERHERO MOTHERFUCKERS KILLED MY NEPHEW
she's a woman too, so the surname change doesn't even need that much bullshit.
>>81861230
So basically, lack of communication.
>>81861309
>No, my real concern is, will they allow Fisk to play in a Spiderman Solo movie.
Despite the virgins here, D'nofrio was well received. I'd be incredibly retarded for them not to use the same fucking actor for the same fucking character.
But this isn't DC/WB, so I have faith in their abilities.
>>81863321
>I'd be incredibly retarded for them not to use the same fucking actor for the same fucking character.
Not worried about that. More worried they won't used Fisk at all in Spider man movie.
I grew up watching the 90's spider cartoon, so I have always considered him to be his main Nemesis.
>>81863517
Give it time, maybe after Infinity War. He's barely the Kingpin yet.
>>81838638
>The infighting between Feige and Ike
Civil Wars when?
>>81863601
>Civil War II is a documentary on the fall of the MCU
>Feige has Perlmutter assassinated
>leads a coup and takes over Marvel comics
>cuts Loeb and the TV division
>cuts comic books
>Marvel becomes a movie company
>>81857062
>Jew
>Hates SJW
>Jew
>Stumps up for Trump
>Jew
The dilemma that will kill /pol/
>>81863829
God, Feige is ugly
>>81843043
>caring about AoS continuity
lel
