Hey, /co/. Am I an A-lister yet?
>3.99 book pre-Rebirth
>double-shipping in Rebirth
yeah
>>81725876
Guys, I want to get out of modern DC and just read good back issues, but also muh Nightwing's back. What do?
IMHO there are only 3 A-listers Spiderman, Batman, and Superman. These 3 almost never fluctuate in popularity. Maybe these should be called S-tier or blue bloods, but all others are miles behind and should never be in the same category.
>>81726043
you could just read both
>>81726127
Those are S-listers.
And both batman and superman are iconic while spidey is not.
Dick is an a-lister. Robin is extremley well known just like the joker.
>>81726043
Rebirth is shaping up to be pretty good with all of those good creative teams. I'd wait a month after Rebirth to see if it's worth it.
>>81726160
Yeah but he'll crossover with Bats and Jason and Babs and Damian; they're all on his fucking cover; and the Titans and their will be crossover events and I'm just tired of all the Batfam bullshit.
>>81726173
An A-Lister can support multiple ongoing titles.
An A-Lister can be the center of a line-wide event.
An A-Lister can keep a steady TV show or has a movie franchise.
An A-Lister is a character who can/could/should/has a video game or two.
Batman, Superman, maybe Green Lantern and Wonder Woman.
Nightwing is B-List. He's amazing, but he's still solid B-List.
>>81726291
Guess Jason's not on there. Unless he's the one getting kicked in the head.
>>81726291
Guest appearances are not crossovers and that's just one issue where he'll probably think about them before going off on globe trotting adventures.
>>81726291
I don't mind the Titans, but I'm getting tired with all the batman members.
>>81726329
This everyone knows who Robin or Mr Freeze is, but they wouldn't work successfully as their own thing.
>>81726173
>And both batman and superman are iconic while spidey is not.
Bullshit. Admittedly, Batman and Superman are more iconic than Spider-Man, but Spider-Man is more iconic than just about everyone else. Batman and Superman are SS tier. Spidey is S tier.
Nightwing again was a mistake. Dick should be the globetrotting Batman
>>81726329
Green Lantern isn't an A-lister. It's a fucking platoon of turds they can cycle through to appease character-fags
>>81726741
This is the fourth time Dick has become Nightwing
>>81725876
Azreal gonna be in your book?
>>81726941
Take that cancer to the 90's containment book Detective Comics
>>81726868
1. New Teen Titans
2. New 52
3. Titans Hunt (fucking pulls it out of the trunk like a pocho)
.4. End of Grayson/Nightwing Rebirth
>>81726329
Green Lantern? Is this a joke?
>>81725876
A-lister as Robin
B-lister as Nightwing
>>81726173
>while spidey is not.
fuck off, spidey is iconic as fuck. he is THE relatable superhero, THE kid appeal superhero and has just as much recognisability and staying power as the other two.
>>81725876
What if Dick gets some low tier superpowers after Rebirth?
>>81727151
Neither of those things are iconic.
Iconic means that he can be destilated to a minimal image and still be a trong image, Spidey can't.
>>81727010
Oh common anon Stroke is getting his own book, why does Az have to get shoved in a book with fan favorite Harper Row?
![b8105937ef35a5e9023202a114af8823[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Xqrrv2c.jpg "b8105937ef35a5e9023202a114af8823[1].jpg")
>>81727194
>Spidey can't.
>>81727180
That's unlikely. That hypnos thing was more of a liability in Grayson. But something related to the Kryptonian Nightwing will be cool.
>>81725876
You are in my book, Dick. I prefer you to Bruce at this point.
>>81725993
Just like Cyborg!
>>81727078
green lantern under johns was one of the top sellers at DC like 75k+ sales
I just want him to sit on my face or choke me between his thighs desu.
Robin is an A list character and arguably DC's 3rd most well known and profitable hero. I think you could make an argument for Robin over Wonder Woman, but anyway, Dick Grayson and Nightwing aren't A list though. I don't really see any indication DC or WB wants to make him A list either. They see more value in trying to elevate a Shazam or a Green Lantern.
>>81726173
Look at the sales for Spider-Man. Look at how many fucking box office breaking movies he's had. He's fucking iconic
>>81729359
> under Johns
And what happened when he left? What happened with Aquaman?
>>81726127
S Rank
>Spider-Man
A Rank
>Batman
A- Rank
>Iron Man
B+ Rank
>Captain America
B Rank
>Superman
B- Rank
>Hulk, Wolverine
>>81725876
B-lister until you appear in a Batman movie that isn't Batman & Robin.
>>81730456
Kill yourself
>>81730456
>Iron-Man
>Anything other than b-lister
No.
>>81725876
Dick Grayson is probably my favorite DC character, he's just really good.
I don't think Nightwing is A-list though, B sure but not A. He's more well-known as robin.
>>81727271
Why are you posting Deadpool icon
>>81730484
>Robert Downey Jr Man that low
Come on lad
>>81730484
i thought IronMan now equal to Batman ?
>>81730456
I hate to ruin things for you, but Spider-Man isn't anywhere near as popular outside of America (North and South, I guess?). Captain America is more popular in Europe than Spidey.
>>81730860
Lmao
>>81730596
RDJ will leave MCU in a couple years.
>>81730825
You mean Robert Dawney Stark?
Yeah no. Nobody that reads comics likes the guy and secondaries just like RDJ
>>81730990
RDJ is pretty much Iron Man in the eyes of most people. They've even changed the Tony in the comics to match him more.
>>81730860
>Nightwing back in blue
>Tim Seeley writing him
>Marcus To is one of the artists on the book
Man, this book is gonna be good.
>>81731031
>They've even changed the Tony in the comics to match him more.
But people still don't like him.
It's simple, he's not RDJ.
>>81731061
Also forgot to say, it's simply not the same audience.
People that watch the movies don't read comics, at least 80% of them. While people that read the comics like I said simply do not like Iron-Man.
You could say they can pander to moviefags and get money anyways but the problem is that people will always compare the next Iron-Man to RDJ.
>>81731048
As long as Tony and Middy make guest appearances, I'll be happy.
>>81726329
I'm gonna disagree
>S Listers
Batman
Superman
>A Listers
Wonder Woman
The Flash
Green Lantern
Aquaman
If Dick had stayed as Robin he would be A list. It's ironic. The thing that made Dick's character kind of unique in comics, aging and progressing, is what will keep him from being an A list character along side Batman and Superman.
>>81731300
Aquaman has fallen off the map. He won't be unless A-list unless his movIe really takes off
>>81731565
As Robin, he's an A-list supporting character. As Nightwing, he's a unique B-list protagonist. And as Batman, he's an A-list legacy character.
>>81732560
He's close to a tier, he needs the good, consistent writing from Grayson to carry over, and maybe get a prominent role in a GOOD event
>>81732598
He needs to appear in Batfleck's movie and be played by a charismatic actor.
Nightwing is back? Storytime! Storytime. Pleeeaaase, anon?
Ahem. Sorry, I mean, how they handling it? I thought Dick had been outed to the world? Whats the retcon this time?
>>81732737
And despite the fact that Ezra Miller has a near perfect look for him, I do not know of his actual acting chops. Also, he's El Flasho, Spanish Correspondent of La liga de la justicia
>>81732813
He's not back yet. We still got two more Graysons and the initial Nightwing to give us that reason
Is there a DC Online-Comic subscription in the vein of Netflix? I just can't afford to read comics these days, and the nearest comic shop is in another city, but 8.99 a month? Might be able to keep that up.
>>81733040
They couldn't do that. People wouldnt buy all the Batman books
>>81726173
>spidey
>not
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhHh
>>81730990
>comics
>relevant
Every iconic comic character became such by adaptations. Even in the golden age Supermans radio show was bigger than his book
>>81730860
Good one.
>>81730860
Supaidaman , save us
>>81725876
No, try being more than grown up Robin in other media.
What are the best Nightwing related comics to pick up ?
Didn't really like the new 52 (fucking red costume).
>>81733325
>Nightwing
Um Dixon's run was readable
As was Tomasi's run
Seeley Nightwing will probably be better than both of those
>Related
Morrison's Batman and Robin
Black Mirror
Grayson
>>81733367
Thanks anon.
>>81733367
>tfw you're the only one who liked Higgins' run
>>81733325
you could also read judas contract, although that's teen titans
>>81726173
Spiderman has consistently been one of the best selling comics period until MCU and the resurgence of cape TV and film
>>81733608
It wasn't a bad run, its main problems stemmed from the fact that every time the story got going it had to react to Snyder's Batman events. Its the main worry I have in the rebirth as well, since King and Seeley might try and continue their partnership, which just shoves Dick back in Brucs shadow. Hopefully the globetrotting will prevent this.
>>81733608
The one where he was in Chicago? That was fantastic.
>>81733367
Seconding Grayson. It was really great.
>>81733302
>implying this wasn't a nightwing costume
>>81735025
Grayson made me love Dick in a way I never thought I could. Personally, I'll be counting down every moment of Nightwing until pic related.
>>81735046
Nightwing doesn't have a cape.
>>81735071
My only concern is the lack of pouches.
They got rid of the ones on his gloves and boots, and he's not wearing a belt, so where's he going to be pulling his wing-dings and grappling hooks from?
>>81735194
>where's he going to be pulling his wing-dings and grappling hooks from?
I think we all know the answer to that.
>>81735071
>they put him back in blue
>but no fingerstripes
:(
>>81735194
>>81735213
>>81735216
Even Captcha agrees.
>>81729359
>There was a time where Green Lantern was at the forefront of DC
Good times.
>>81735278
>That time when Superman was the only member of the Trinity in a non-retarded costume
>>81735278
>Wonder Woman in her Odyssey costume
Not gonna lie, anon. GL being up front was great, and Morrison just getting started on Batman Inc was also great, but that pocket right before the New 52 was laden with mediocre books getting published by DC.
>You're remembering Gay for Justice Roy being in the Deathstroke led Titans where they killed Ryan Choi and put his body in a matchbox
Dark Days on the whole if were honest.
>>81735387
>You're remembering Gay for Justice Roy being in the Deathstroke led Titans where they killed Ryan Choi and put his body in a matchbox
You're forgetting the part where Roy and Cheshire get high off of grounded up children and Deathstroke watches them have sex.
>>81735419
No I'm not. I was just trying to take a cut through the ugly and catch as much as I could in one swing.
>>81735213
Literally body paint
>>81733608
The problem was he crafted his arc knowing he would have to tie into Snyder's next event, which never gave him the chance to explore the fallout of the previous arc. Imagine if instead of the Paragon and Shiva arcs we got something dealing with the Court/Dick's newly discovered relatives, that would've been top tier. Chicago arc was promising but still ended up Bludhaven-lite
>new city
>lame ass job
>normies as friends/roommates
>no sex
>lame villian no cares about
>lame sidechick with issues
>>81735419
But Pre-Flashpoint was the best universe and it had no edge or darkness guys
>>81736127
>lame villian no cares about
>Tony Zucco, the man who killed Dick's parents
Yeah, sure.
>>81733608
First arc up to Night of the Owls was good
First six issues of Chicago were good
Last two issues with that Thor artist were good
>>81733367
What else has Seeley done outside of Grayson? It seems like his best stuff is indie work (Hack/Slash, Revival). Does he have any good runs with the big 2?
>>81738230
Not really... pretty much just Grayson, also he was a co-writer on Batman Eternal which was hit or miss, but not his fault at all.
>>81738539
is he mainly just a freelancer or something?
>>81738622
Yeah hes only done indie stuff until like 2013-2014 when he came to DC and co wrote Batman Eternal, then co-wrote Nightwing #30 which led to Grayson. He's also just started writing the New Suicide Squad.
>>81738739
how is his indie stuff then?
>>81732598
Is he really that close? The Arkham Knight game is a good indication of how DC/WB views the Nightwing character, or the Forever Evil event where he is just used to prop up Bruce. I can't think of anything he has done as Nightwing that makes him close to being A list.
>>81725876
If A stands for ass, then yes.
>>81735194
He didn't wear pouches in the New 52.
>>81727395
Cyborg's ongoing was 2.99, he's on the level below A-List with Deathstroke
>>81731245
They were confirmed for the first issue. I hope they consistently show up though and it's not just them saying bye to him. Too good to lose in the long run.
>>81733127
but does that graph include the bubblegun ironman minifigure?
it must be the perfect indicator of success to count all of the different products you can sell to fucking children and idiots.
>>81725876
DC is billing you as an A-lister, so yeah.
>>81741044
did they?
>>81725876
High B-list. With the right push he might be able to cross the line to A-list. I wonder if the Grayson team's plan for that is still in effect now that King's jumped ship to Batman.
>>81730456
>Tiers based on current popularity only
When people talk about character tiers, they take into account everything, not only his popularity, but overall culture recognizability, history and influence he had on the genre. Superman, Spider-Man and Batman are definitely S tier because they hold a special place on pop culture.
>>81725876
>>81742029
It's a step in the right direction, what with Dick leading the Titans again and their importance to Rebirth overall.
Still, unless Nightwing just started selling really well (Nightwing and Grayson have sold fairly well, but nothing that has gotten any praise from DC), or is important to the DCEU or the CWU he's just going to maintain his position as a B-lister. An appearance as part of an alternate Earth in The Flash would do wonders for him, for example. An Appearance in a Batfleck movie would, too. If that Nightwing cartoon ever happened, maybe Dick would have even more vocal fans.
As for the SeeKing plan, I'd say it's still happening, just that the two realize that it won't ever be truly permanent or really be all that definitive. Even if the Nightwing book becomes a huge success, the moment Seeley leaves, there's a chance the new writer will suck ass. For now, I'm thinking the plan is Seeley stays and writes a great Nightwing book, King writes Dick with respect in any crossovers, and Johns makes sure to let the Titans and Dick actually have a part in his big events from now on.
>>81743750
>An appearance as part of an alternate Earth in The Flash would do wonders for him, for example.
Is it bad that I want think more then anything involving Dick and a film?
>If that Nightwing cartoon ever happened, maybe Dick would have even more vocal fans.
That won't ever happen, but I'd love that too.
>>81735071
Kek. I noticed the leather straps and buckles but I'd never connected them to Midnighter.
>>81735215
>Fingerstripes
>exist to make Dick looks visually unique from the rest of the supers
>ended up making him into a sex icon along with his canonically great ass
>primarily black suit with blue to represent the legacy of Batman that was shaped by Superman to be a great hero
This thing is, his new costume does the same thing without the stripes. I mean, who really wants to read the same old shit again? If you want to, go back to those issues. It's time for a new look, as Dick's been through a lot since then.
>Leather straps and buckles
>leather fetishists will see Dick as an even bigger sex icon, especailly since his ass is still the greatest in canon
>more black leather channels Dick's new friendship with Midnighter, his time as Batman, and even his "partnership" with the Owls
>Black and blue are no longer just Batman and Superman's colours, they represent Dick himself
>Simple look is meant to be a midpoint between the Grayson look and the iconic Nightwing look
He's still visually distinct and sexy. Even the original Nightwing look from NTT was meant to do that.
>Huge collar with man-cleavage, bright blue and yellow
You can even say that for his Robin look.
>Bright red and green, scaled panties
>>81743808
>Is it bad that I want think more then anything involving Dick and a film?
Me, too. Which is why I brought it up first. Just think:
>Season two of Legends of Tomorrow involves the multiverse (S1 of Flash was about time travel, S1 of LoT is, too. S2 of Flash is about alternate worlds, S2 of LoT could be, too).
>Wally just received his powers in S3 of The Flash
>He accidentally travels through the multiverse as a result of his speed
>He meets Dick and the Titans just as they're about to mobilize to deal with a threat
>After that, Dick tries to help Wally go back to his world because they're bros, it goes haywire, they end up on another world, etc.
Alternatively,
>Dick is chosen by a multiversal traveller to join him in saving the universe
>Could be an adaptation of Multiversity
Endless ideas, really. All that's necessary is for the execs to get their shit together.
>That won't ever happen, but I'd love that too.
It almost did, but Young Justice was chosen over it. There are concept designs for Dick and Nightwing, as well as Raven. I believe it was designed by the same artist as the Avatar cartoons for Nick.
>>81737899
Tony Zucco is not Joe Chill
Dick is not Bruce
We don't need that mess
>>81738869
Pretty good. But if you don't like female leads then I'd stay away
>>81725876
Not specifically Nightwing-related, but the Titans will be fighting the Fearsome Five. Full roster is unknown, but Mammoth is around. I guess we can give up on Wally, it looks like it'll be a 5v5 story, and with Lilith in now, it basically makes way for the new Fab Five.
>>81741677
Twice monthly now, and prior to Rebirth he was a $3.99 book.
Keep in mind books like Batgirl, Birds of Prey, or even Titans don't get that treatment. Dick is meant to be somewhat of a big deal, but he's still not A-list, unfortunately.
He's the most A-list of B-listers right now.
>>81744689
There's still hope for Wally. Titans is apparently pretty tied to Rebirth and this was in preview book:
>Details on the new Titans series spill out of this week's DC Rebirth.
>After-hours meetings, editors standing guard over whirring printers, hushed hallway chatter…something big is happening in TITANS #1.
>Pressed for details, Assistant Editor Brittany Holzherr waved us off with a smirk: “Go talk to Alex.”
>So, we cornered TITANS editor Alex Antone next.
>Why the secretive meetings with Geoff Johns? Any truth to the rumor that extra art is being commissioned for issue #1?
>“Guys, this series we can only say so much about,” Antone teased.
>“Dan Abnett, Brett Booth and Norm Rapmund are killing it on creative, and fans are gonna love the roster of Nightwing, Donna Troy, Arsenal, Garth and Lilith. As for surprises you’re going to love the surprises.”
"Robin" is an A-lister
"Nightwing" is a C-lister
>>81745043
Don't hype me up too much, anon. ;__;
If they're going to do it, I bet they'll just infuse some of the memories of the NTT-era team into the Rebirthed Titans, and just throw in Convergence Wally who recognizes his friends and wants to help.
>>81725876
Yes.
If the A stands forASS
>>81744782
Well that is because he has had a consistent selling solo book for decades now regardless of who the creative team is. So they are just doubling down on it by shipping it twice a month. The problem is that his book never sells well enough or poor enough where DC wants to do more with the character. They see more value pushing a Shazam, Aquaman, or Green Lantern because unfortunately Nightwing will never be as successful as Batman or Robin, and while he sells more than a Shazam or Aquaman they don't have characters as big as Batman and Robin looming over them the way Nightwing does making it easier in DC's mind to push and promote them.
>>81745043Gender-bent Wally
>>81735071
>leather straps
I hope Seeley points that out
>>81726836
No single Green Lantern is an A-Lister, but "Green Lantern" as a character is.
>>81735312
>hating on Batman Inc suit
fuck off
>>81746004
>First batsuit without trunks
>Glow-in-the-dark logo on a stealth character
Shit's retarded, yo.
>>81746041
>First batsuit without trunks
Bruce lost his trunks back in the 90s, anon
Dick Grayson is only an A-lister as Robin.
>>81746041
Kill yourself senpai
>>81732907
I like Ezra Miller, but I always imagined Grayson being a more classical type of handsome.
>>81733367
Yeah, Nightwing comics are pretty much the book definition of mediocre. Hopefully Seeley breaks the mold, Grayson was fantastic.
>>81735071
I'm almost disappointed that Grayson is getting a new mentor and not Midnighter.
>>81725876
Not yet, but King and Seeley are going out of their way to make you one.
>>81746892
100% this. Especially if his motivation is questioning whether or not Bruce was the best mentor to have for himself in the first place.
>>81746974
You're never gonna be A-list just starring in comics, m8.
>>81745043
>Lilith
Who? Am I supposed to be reading Titans Hunt?
>>81747085
True, but good comic arcs get to become good cartoons and then they might move on to games or movies.
>>81747335
No one is reading it now
>>81744782
Batgirl kind of is double-shipping, as her name is on two monthly books. You could almost say the same about Titans and Teen Titans. Or Teen Titans and Super Sons with regard to Damian
>>81745772
I'll take Jesse Quck on the Titans. Add her to Dick's harem
>>81746823
Eh, the Dixon and Tomasi stuff was enjoyable, certainly better than half the shit /co/ jerks over
>>81747796
It wasn't terrible, just boring. I eventually dropped it after getting about 7 issues in
>>81725876
He can be considered A-list only as Robin but never as Nightwing, lads.
>S-Tier (instantly recognizable to everyone around the world)
Superman
Batman
Spider-Man
>A-Tier (almost everyone has heard of these characters, even if they've never picked up a comic book in their lives)
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern
Captain America
Iron Man
Wolverine
Flash
Hulk
Thor
Lex Luthor
The Joker
Dick Grayson (as Robin)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
>B-Tier (people who are fans of superhero-related media, like movies, TV shows, and video games know about, even if they've never picked up a comic book)
Every significant character in an MCU movie that wasn't listed above
X-Men other than Wolverine
Magneto
The Teen Titans (or at least the cartoon version)
Deadpool
Martian Manhunter
Dick Grayson (as Nightwing)
Deathstroke
Hawkgirl
Supergirl
Harley Quinn
Green Arrow
Every Batman villain aside from Joker who was in a movie, though Bane and Catwoman deserve an honorable mention
Daredevil
Jessica Jones
Aquaman
Darkseid
Fantastic Four
Doctor Doom
Doctor Strange
The Punisher
Watchmen
>C-Tier (characters that are mostly known by comic readers, but not considered obscure. Some of them might have movie adaptations that were forgotten by the general public)
Captain Marvel (both kinds)
Ms. Marvel
Squirrel Girl
Inhumans
She-Hulk
Steel
Howard the Duck
Silver Surfer
Swamp Thing
Constantine
Jonah Hex
Blade
Constantine
Elektra
Ghost Rider
Hellboy
Judge Dredd
The Spirit
Lobo
>D Tier (literally who?)
Way too many to list
Order within tiers does not matter. Do not yell at me if I missed a few, I am tired.
>>81747796
I like Tomasi more than Dixon, but the word "mediocre" still applies to both runs. Not bad, just nothing to write home about.
>>81744615
what a SJW
>>81746892
Midnighter is too murdery for Dick to possibly think of him as a better mentor than Batman.
>>81747335
Classic Titan. Lilith Clay, sometimes known as Omen.
And yes, she is in Titans Hunt, really important to it actually, and will be in Titans come Rebirth.
>>81747594
Then Dick is triple-shipping, if we want to play it like that.
>>81747674
>Jesse Quick
>JesseDick
Perfect.
Also, as far as a harem goes, Dick's basically just got Midnighter and Helena now. And even then, depending on whether Seeley is allowed to use those characters they may or may lose their connection to Dick.
>>81727151
spidey is practically the face of marvel
