You..you do read comic books, right anon?
You're not just some failed normie posting about animated sitcoms?
Have a 3x3 I made a bit back.
gotta make a 5x5 some time later.
Doom Patrol, Love & Rockets, Sweet Tooth
Narrowing it down to 3 is hard.
I really like the Manhattan Projects series right now. Resident Alien is also pretty comfy tbhstorage.
Yeah, this board is shit when it comes to comic book discussion. Get a lot of /v/ and /tv/ tier threads about shorty family guy episodes and superhero movies, mostly.
Maus, The Walking Dead, Kick-ass, and Watchmen.
>>81682199
Don't forget Ghost World and 52, anon!
>>81682088
Yeah, if I would pick a top 3 would be like:
The Howard the Duck series from the 70's
Alan Moore's Swamp Thing
Hellboy
But if I was allowed to add more I'd sure put Morrison's Doom Patrol, The Ducks comics from Carl Barks and Steve Gerber's Man-Thing.
Hellboy
Bone
X-Factor (Peter David's stuff in particular)
Bone, Fear Agent, and Hitman.
>Ever being able to pick 3
Asterix
Jonah Hex
Calvin and Hobbes
>>81682377
>alan moore
Not trying to be a contrarian faggot, but he's never really done it for me that much. He certainly has talent, but... idk. Doesn't make me jizz for whatever reason.
>all these plebs naming the biggest, most mainstream comics of all time (besides the movie shit)
I like transmetropolitan, preacher... idk Scott Pilgrim (inb4 pleb)
I actually haven't read that much desu just whatever my bro gives me
V for Vendetta. I've liked all of Moore's stuff that I've read. I actually think From Hell is his best work, but V for Vendetta has this awesome craziness to it that made it a perfect read.
Still reading it, but I think Jaime Hernandez's Locas stories (from Love and Rockets) are quickly becoming favorites.
Uncle Sam (or "U.S.") by Steve Darnall and Alex Ross. The best and purest statement about America I've seen in a comic (which isn't saying much, since I haven't read many comics).
Special mention to Wallace Wood's Cannon, which is pure fucking crazy manly fun. Guns, naked babes, cold war spy shit. Fucking awesome.
You got me OP.
The only comic book series I've ever read is the complete peanuts volumes.
>>81682617
I only read 3-page pamphlets written in Hungarian between 1994 and 1997 with a 2 1/2 pencil.
Does Spider-Man and Peanuts count
>>81682812
>>81682842
Spiderman does
>>81682812
Pleb trash.
I only read comics so obscure that they don't exist. They're entirely conceptual, and if anyone ever thought of one I would immediately stop reading it.
But enjoy your Batman, kid.
I guess off the top of my head
>Superior Foes
>The Sandman
>Swamp Thing
I don't feel like 3 is enough, I'll probably make one of those 3x3 that you kids enjoy these days
>>81682577
Look, his magnum opus Watchmen hasn't aged that well. It's still good, and I remember why I liked it so much when it came out, but people (who true owe it a creative debt) have surpassed anything that series accomplished.
It's themes are timeless, it's execution... Not so much.
>>81682876
>filename
that's matt damon, anon
>>81683260
It's amazing someone can be so completely wrong so many times in one post.
There's a reason Watchmen is still held up as a classic and routinely praised as the best mainstream graphic novel ever written.
This Moore backlash period we're in is getting tiring. It's just edgy kids trying to show they're cool by attacking great things, like how it was cool in the 70s and 80s for punks to rail against the Beatles.
>>81682577
What of his work have you read?
>>81683371
>>81683260
SHUT UP ABOUT WATCHMEN ANYWAY!
the first anon was talking about Swamp Thing
Uh top 3. Okay.
Bone
Runaways v1
All Star Superman
Current
Chew, deadpool, uncanny avengers
Will go back to re-read
Fables, bone, Scott pilgrim
Moonshadow
Prophet
Lucifer
>>81681778
Batman RIP
Parker's Thunderbolts
JMS Spider-Man
>>81683408
And we're discussing Watchmen.
Go back to your Chuck Austen, the adults are talking.
Right now they would be Bodyworld, Jack Staff and Biq Questions
>>81683480
Why do you love Batman RIP? Not saying it's bad, just curious what makes it one of your favorites
Cerebus the Aardvark, by Dave Sim and Gerhard
Prophet, by Brandon Graham et al
Suicide Squad, by John Ostrander et al
Only 3? Fuck.
Ghost Rider (90s)
The Contract With God Trilogy
Mouse Guard
>>81683679
>Cerebus the Aardvark, by Dave Sim and Gerhard
dem feminine voids
>>81683371
it's subjective anon.
I don't think it's aged perfectly.
I'm 38 by the way, and not trying to be edgy
>the beatles
I mean I can't speak to the punk's motives but I've never liked the beatles that much either (though in my life is god tier I'll give them that). I like Pink Floyd and zeppy crr and springsteen though so I'm not being a hipster faggot
>>81681778
>The Authority
>Alan Moore's Swamp thing
>JSA
>the adventures of captain underpants
>captain underpants and the attack of the talking toilets
>Captain Underpants and the Invasion of the Incredibly Naughty Cafeteria Ladies from Outer Space and the Subsequent Assault of the Equally Evil Lunchroom Zombie Nerds
>>81683371
Holy shit, I agree that Watchmen is GOAT but make an argument, don't speculate on motives. Even if you happen to be right, it doesn't do anyone any favors.
>>81684383
>filename
Yeah I heard they made Harold gay
>>81684465
>made Harold gay
WAT?
>>81683407
V 4 Vendetta, Watchmen, Swamp Thing, and most recently Providence.
I never feel like I wasted my time, I just think he's slightly over rated.
>>81684599
fuck forgot neonomicon
>3 Favorite Comic Books
Nice.
>Sandman
Really 'Magic Vertigo' in general, but I think Sandman is its strongest offering with Alan Moore's Swamp Thing and Mike Carey's Lucifer ranking second and third.
>Watchmen
Watchmen is GOAT, Alan Moore is a honest to god wizard, let's move on.
>Doom Patrol
Best capes comic ever written. Also I feel like Morrison deserves a spot for being, overall, the best capes writer since Moore decided he'd rather write about sex.
>>81684451
It does everyone all favors.
Bone, Daytripper, Scott Pilgrim.
>>81684644
You're better off forgetting that one.
You babies can bicker about Moore and how his themes have aged like shit and how you don't get a stiffy from reading Watchmen anymore and that's fine and cool but Watchmen is a technical masterpiece when it comes to making a comic.
Visually it's probably Moore's and Gibbons' most cinematic work despite how hard it is to translate this fucking book into film. The use of space and page pace is pretty on point. Moore's use of characters and events is like hunting an animal and using everything, nothing tossed, every piece of meat and bone have use. Confused as to why there was a giant squid at the end of the book? Well maybe you should have read the fucking magazine and book excerpts rather than jumping over because they didn't have squares and dudes in those squares. Usually I'd give art credits to the artist but Moore pretty much orchestrated Gibbons when you look at what the fuck a Moore script looks like and someone doesn't start scratching out shit.
Watchmen's a weird book where it crumples under the weight of it's praise but is a pretty amazing book when you want something to analyze for storytelling and comics making purposes. There's a lot of moving parts that have impact on characters and events in Watchmen even if at first seem very insignificant.
>>81685034
>Watchmen's a weird book where it crumples under the weight of it's praise
You mean holds up gloriously or even surpasses it?
>>81681778
Wolverine, Claremont's run and a portion of Larry Hama's run.
The Mask
The Goon
There's too much I haven't read and so much I haven't discovered.
I'll be honest when I say I've only been recently started collecting and reading again.
I've got a 3x3 of my favorite ongoings.
Top three would be:
Usagi Yojimbo
Prophet
Southern Bastards
>>81684451
At this point, decades later, pretty much everything that could possibly be written about Watchmen has been written.
The book is closed on this one. Watchmen is literally GOAT, anyone who disagrees is just objectively wrong.
Atomic Robo, Sonic the Hedgehog, and probably Mega-Man.
the shitty OP made me not realize this is a comics thread. anyway OP
Suicide Squad, Young Liars, Legion of Superheroes
>>81685158
I feel like a lot of Watchmen's brilliance goes over the top of most first time readers. God knows it went over mine. Not just in terms of minor tidbits of plot but also character depth, plot structure and even panel layout. Like most deconstructions it really relies on the reader having previous knowledge of the conventions of the genre. Sadly it often gets picked up by newcomers who want to jump right into the 'greatest superhero masterpiece' ever.
>>81685212
>The book is closed on this one. Watchmen is literally GOAT, anyone who disagrees is just objectively wrong.
GOAT for american cape comics, or GOAT for all comics?
>>81685191
is middle right Prophet? I been outta the loop.
>>81685034
Nah man Gibbons was as important as Moore. I think he might've been the one to come up with the 3x3
>>81685296
American cape comics. That was what Moore was working with, and that's where he succeeded. I wouldn't say it's the GOAT of even all American comics if we include indies, let alone the whole world.
I'd be interested to know what non-American comics creators think of it.
>>81681778
>Corto Maltese (series) (barring the recent revival book which had nice art but shit writing)
>Gaston Lagaffe (series)
>O'Neil's Question run
>>81685315
Yeah, it was just a random Prophet image I grabbed for the 3x3
>>81685393
>I think he might've been the one to come up with the 3x3
Nope. Moore again. Well, not really. Moore was reading Love and Rockets a bunch in the 80's and Xaime had a story called 100 Rooms that used the 3x3 grid and it gave Moore the biggest erection and was like "GIBBONS WE HAVE TO USE THIS"
have a reference: http://comicsworkbook.tumblr.com/post/50780125978/9-panel-grid-trivia-love-and-rockets-watchmen
>>81685420
>O'Neil's Question run
I liked it overall but it could get kind of heavy-handed and preachy.
Villain: "Ha ha, I'm some asshole with a terrible worldview!"
Question: "I know Eastern philosophy, so you're wrong. Did I mention I know Eastern philosophy?"
>>81685486
Yeah I knew they got it from L&R (and also Ditko Strange)
Gibbons was 50% of that boo tho
>>81685499
Yeah, it's not perfect in any way, but it's my favorite.
>>81685499
My favorite one story was the one where the asshole with a terrible worldview ends up saving the Question and turns out to be someone who wasn't super evil, just super racist and in the KKK.
Beautiful Darkness
Stitches
Most of Crumb's work
Could anyone recommend more comics like the first two? They're dark in an almost lighthearted way and it's great.
>>81685632
Beauty, also by Kerascoet.
Love and Rockets
The World of Edna
Corto Maltese
>>81685693
I devoured everything by Kerascoet in a day, it left a hole in my heart I can't fill.
Cerebus, Moonshadow and Enigma
I doubt I'll ever consider any book better than these three.
>>81686023
Cerebus raped Astoria, G’l Doses raped Sunflower, and Enigma raped Michael Smith.
Why are you so obsessed with rape?
>>81686002
They got an english translation of their art book coming out in february of next year. I pre-ordered it immediately but I think NBM took the listing down.
>>81686098
Try to name any comic ever made that doesn't feature rape.Protip: You can't.
>>81686098
You're right. I'd never noticed that before.
I would like to change my top three to Identity Crisis, Miracleman and Michelinie's run on Avengers, circa issue 200 then.
>>81686220
What about Rapeman: The Rapening? I don't recall any rape in that one.
>>81685393
Gibbons' largest contribution was when he told Moore no though bubbles
>>81686241
That stirring, heartwarming tale about a rapeseed oil salesman in rural Southern France in the 60s?
Love and Rockets
Justice League by Giffen and DeMatteis
The Airtight Garage
>>81686291
To be honest, I prefer France's grape farmer comic over their rape farmer comic.
>>81686448
Gross, fucking pervert. That book is nothing but wall to wall rape.
>>81686241
I wonder if anyone has ever done a series about a super being powered by rape.
He actually always has his powers, but he suffers from crippling insecurities that lead him to suppress them normally. He can only use them when he feels the rush of power that comes with rape, and even though only for a few hours or a day at most before the insecurities set in again.
>>81686220
I'll do better, I'll name four
Rogue Trooper
All Star Superman
Prophet
Elephantmen
>>81686546
I said books that DON'T feature rape, anon.
>>81686546
>no rape in Prophet
The Earth Empire keeps sex slaves.
well that was a fun little bit when i thought this would be a comic discussion thread
>>81681843
> someone else here read Sacred Heart
I was actually surprised that the author had an excuse for the parents being gone that made sense
The Walking Dead, Ultimate Spider-Man, Hellboy
>>81686656
You must be mistaken. Why would anybody read a comic that hasn't been scanned or ripped?
>>81686648
The thread topic was inherently selfish because it's just asking you to list your top three favorites.
A criticize your fellow man's taste in top 3 rape comics would definitely make for a more engaging discussion.
>>81681778
Hellboy
Calvin & HobbesSerenity
>>81686842
my negro
I missed the easter storytime this year
>>81685289
This is true. It definitely requires multiple readings to appreciate it to its fullest (unlike so many other things in life that become less appreciable with each revisit).
With that being said, that doesn't mean it's peak value (let's say around the fourth time you read it) is even that high.
>>81685212
>objectively
you're one of those faggots, are you?
It's subjective, and my subjective take on it is that it's pretty good. Technically there's no wasted space in that fucker.
But that can distract you from realizing that it isn't AS good as you thought it was when you read it when you were 19.
Honestly, some of the philosophical aspects of it and Moore's presentation of these themes sound Joker-tier (TDK version). The ending story wise was pretty unremarkable, too.
I have a bit more than just 3 to list is since my favorites get shuffled around constantly but:
Sandman
General Batman and Superman stuff
Lucifer
Watchmen
V for Vendetta
Calvin and Hobbes
Dead@17
Yeah Mostly mainstream stuff. I want to get into more lesser known works but find that difficult to do. Anyone got a way they go to find about some good more obscure shit.
>>81685394
>it's a british comic book
Jeremy Bastian's Cursed Pirate Girl
>>81687092
Start off by reading Cerebus.
It'll take you a long time, and when you're finally finished, you will have realized that it's dumb to ask for obscure shit without specifying *what sort* of obscure shit you want.
>>81687092
I just go to amazon and look at some of the lower-selling stuff. If it doesn't have a wikipedia article and has an interesting premise I order it.
Paul Pope's THB
>>81687092
Go to a few local comic book stores and ask about any local/regional artists.
>>81687092
I usually go on the win o thread and ask for something I'd be in the mood for. For example: "I need a comic about a character fighting people with swords, and it has to be at least 5 years old"
>>81687240
I'm just waiting for him to do a reprint, I believe I heard he wants to go back and redraw some stuff?
>>81687304
>a character fighting people with swords, and it has to be at least 5 years old
LONE WOLF AND CUB!!
>>81687322
yes supposedly he is redrawing the whole series. yes he has been claiming there will be an eventual reprint but with him it might take...years.
>>81687240
>>81687322
Never mind found what he said
> The plan is for THB to start up the season after BBv.2 arrives in 2014. I have about 10 more months on BBv.2 to go but I work on THB when I can. Quite a bit of it is already done, needs to be scanned, relettered and colored.
There are both color and B&W editions of THB coming. I wanted it in B&W and they wantedit in color and we decided to do both. Hopefully there will be an “absolute” battling boy edition in B&W too, once both books are in print.
For THB, we plan to use very flat, minimal colors as in the original Incal and Blueberry books.
Does anyone wish that Goosebumps would have been a comic book series with more competent writer than Stine?
These covers were amazing, would have been interesting to see how Jacobus did doing a whole book.
>>81687329
See? Downloading all of it right now. It's that easy!
>>81687322
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vca1atbnuft2z/PP
here is a folder with some of his really early stuff scanned.
>>81687397
Nice blog.
>>81687405
be warned it's manga tho...
>>81685034
>visually
That opening sequence where it keeps panning out on the comedians dead body is like a cliche from a bad horror movie. Rest of the comic follows suit.
He is VERY efficient with his shit but it's still shit at the end of the day. Sorry. Gotta leave 8th grade eventually.
>>81687396
i don't want to see the thing in color. same as how i don't want to see L&R in color either. Same as how I dont want to see Moebius in color either!
I'm currently re-reading Watchmen for the umpteenth time. It never ages badly no matter how many times I go through it.
>>81687426
>express an opinion related to the thread
>anon plays nice blog card
I mean I've never understood this meme. in 99 percent of the times it's used the person isn't coloring outside the parameters of the thread/board at all, the anon just doesn't like what the other anon is saying.
>>81687483
Uggh, it was so cliche for Citizen Kane to start with the death of the main character. Why can't writers get with the times
>>81687534
I agree. I think it actually gets better cause there is a lot of shit you don't pick up the first time
>>81687488
>Same as how I dont want to see Moebius in color either!
I actually like the Marvel/Epic collections, it helps that he was heavily involved
>>81687559
That was already cliched when watchmen came about, not the same thing.
>>81687483
Don't you DARE shit on the opening sequence!
I have mixed feelings about the comic as a whole but that first issue was TRUE master race, a lot due to the momentum and tone set off by that opening sequence.
>>81683260
are we talking about Alan Moore or Frank Miller here?
because while I respect that DKR did things first, holy hell is it not a fun read and it's completely devoid of likeable characters.
>>81685034
>read the fucking magazine
Whoa? Did some people not?
Maybe it's because I don't really like comic books, but that shit was the most interesting part of the book for me.
>>81687583
Dark Horse says they are working on a brand new Moebius Library collection that might chronicles all of moebius books. hopefully it will be done in not too distant future and will be affordable.
>>81687654
>watchmen
>likeable characters
uh, m8
>>81687601
Anon, the point is there's a difference between cliche and being done before
>>81687725
not him or the anon he's replying to, but this "if you liked the characters in watchmen then you're missing the point" meme needs to die.
Yes they're not model citizens, but you don't have to apply morality to comic book characters. It's possible to grasp the themes of watchmen while still letting yourself like Rorschach and Ozzzy. They're too badass to despise.
>>81687786
yes there is.
And watchmen's opening sequence was not just "done before". I can't say for comic books cause I haven't read that many before the year watchmen came out, but horror movies completely beat that shit into the ground long before watchmen was even an idea.
>>81687831
Where?
I'm not trying to be in your face, prove it fgt. I'm just legit wondering where you see this, because I can't remember anything like a dramatic zoom out except youtube.com/watch?v=ialZcLaI17Y
Can we please be done talking about Watchmen forever?
There is no new argument being presented here. Maybe you thought of it independently or this is the first time you're hearing it, but I guarantee you, every one else has made the same arguments before. No ones convincing anyone.
I say if you want a watchmen thread you have to have a distinction about whether it's a love, like, or hate thread, and if your opinion is not aligned with the general, then you can't comment or your comment is removed.
>>81687831
I don't think you understand that Watchmen was meant as a riff off of cliches. It wasn't attempting something new, just something done better in ways that had already been done before.
I feel like you're judging it way too much in hindsight too, which makes me think you read it rather recently for the first time, without understanding the era it came out.
>>81687654
>not a fun read and it's completely devoid of likable characters.
> not fun
Did we read the same comic?
>>81687896
not him but you clearly never saw psycho.
That's all i can think of. If he can't name any others then you win the debate.
>>81687897
I don't go on /a/ but I assume they have similar disagreements on eva
>>81687937
Neatand no I actually haven't, it's like the only hitchcock I haven't watched
>>81687919
Not him.
I read that book a few months ago, but I also have read a lot of other comics from the same era.
I get the appeal, it just didn't make me cream my pants. I can't argue with people who say it did, there's a case for it's quality, but I can't say I love it cause there just wasn't the jizz factor for me.
>>81687993
it's all about dat jizz my man.
Busiek Avengers, including Avengers Forever
Stray Bullets
The Coffin
>>81687791
I love watchmen but I hate its more die hard fans cause they say I'm wrong for liking Rorschach. Apparently moore himself said this too, as though that proves anything.
>>81688035
>/r/nocontext
I wish we could link between sites.
>>81687993
If you read all of Moore's work and see how he grew as a writer, and keep in mind when he was writing everything that he was, it's an admirable work. It's one of those works that, even if it doesn't affect you on an emotional level, can be respected on a technical level if you're "educated" enough to catch everything that went into it.
Like Planetary, it's a comic, but a comic that reads better the more comics you've read. I feel like it's a comic that almost shouldn't be read as a comic. Moore was trying to give the medium its literary novel - If you read it as just a comic, it falls short, which is a criticism in of itself.
>>81688096
I think it's okay to like Rorscach as an interesting character, but it's like people thinking Tyler Durden was right, because he was quotable and the focus of the film without a strong argument against him said outright, handed to the viewer on a platter.
You can like Rorscach, but you shouldn't find him relatable or see him as a role model.
>>81688122
Please don't admit to going on reddit.
>>81688278
>tyler durden
Uhh. forgot about that gay movie. No, I didn't like that character (but I get your point).
I don't think Rorschach was a model citizen. His philosophy is clearly a little fucked, but I don't care. It's just fun to read.
>relatable
I think sadly many of us can relate to Rorschach. Not to his extreme, and in any case we would never justify behavior like that irl, but still, i think that takes away something if we have to deny we don't see a little bit of ourselves in him, or all the characters.
>>81688394
I think seeing an ugly side of ourselves in him is what makes him a protagonist we can relate to, but the similarities should disgust us. He's not a badass action hero to dress up as for Halloween, which was unusual for comics written at the time.
I hate bringing up Fight Club too, but the same problem of misunderstanding by fans holds true for both in similar ways. Admirable philosophy that can only work on an individual level, in a vacuum, that ultmately becomes self-destructive in reality. The reader has to come to this conclusion though, and one could even gauge their maturity and actualization within the bounds of the medium (or even society!) by what they take away from the work. It's like a litmus test of comic taste; I can totally understand not liking Watchmen, but it's admirable for what it is. Hating the work itself is beyond me, because it's above most criticism that the average poster puts toward it.
That said, I have no desire to read it but once every five years in a fit of boredom.
>>81688278
>If you think Rorschach was right you're a literal psychopath
Now that's a dangerous meme I haven't seen in a long time. By the end of the story he's the only person who says "Hey, mass murder isn't suddenly justifiable! Fuck you!" Sure you could think it's just because he's a fucking looney who hates Ozzy, but it could be because he feels that everyone else has turned their backs on what they used to stand for. It's up to the reader.
The character's fucking name is literally Rorschach. How does that go over your head?
>>81687483
Found the 10th grade edgelord faggot.
>>81688575
I don't know where you're taking such an extreme opinion from, but extremism definitely is the mark of a Rorschach fan, I suppose.
Don't forget that within the story, his idealism cost him his life. Watchmen was the beginning of the dark ages, it was a book to reflect the real world and not the Silver Age of our fathers. We make concessions like that every day on a micro scale that effect the world all the way up to the macro level.
However it's also a book to reflect the loss of innocence from the Silver Age, and how we can't return to it. His mask was also a means of showing his black and white view of morality that can't endure in the modern day, once the light of reality is cast upon it.
As I've said, he's an ugly character we can see parts of ourselves in, but he's not one to find emulatable because it's ultimately self-destructive.
>>81688394
Rorschach's philosophy was based on Steve Ditko's Ayn Randian objectivist Mr. A. Seeing everything in black and white, no grey. I don't think he's the most relatable character.
>>81681778
*Superman/Shazam: First Thunder
*The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck
*Miscellaneous Lucky Luke comics
