This is a travesty
>>81667176
nobody watched this?
>>81667176
I am still pissed as hell we never got a cartoon based on Peter David's run.
>>81667604
Everyone watched it week to week and discussed everything while it was airing. No one cares anymore.
>>81667816
>make a TT show matching YJ tonally
>make a YJ show matching NTT tonally
oh DC
>>81667176
I remember season two being a cluster fuck for some reason. Pretty sure the only reason I watched it was because I don't remember there being any other action show on at that time.
i liked it
>>81667816
Shut the fuck up you faggot no one cares.
>>81667176
I know anon. It's a travesty that Cartoon Network squandered the fuck out of this show and the entirety of DC Nation as a whole.
aster
>season 1 my favorite characters were kid flash, robin, aqualad, and red arrow
>all based as fuck, good guys, friends, funny
>season 2
>robin gets relegated to being in the cave, never goes on cool missions
>wally is fucking retired, doesnt do anything, dies retardedly
>red arrow is still pretty based but his storyline with chesher felt like it got rushed severely
>aqualad is pretty much the only one who lives up to himself
>pointless megan and superboy break up angst
>introduce a fuckton of literally who characters we dont care enough who all suck except for based Bart and Arsenal
>these literally who characters take time away from the characters we spent a whole season giving a shit about
>build up for a season 3 that could make up for it
>darkseid
>nightwing finally going solo operator
>no more pointless megan superboy bullshit
>aqualad back with the homies
>it was even my headcanon that wally would some how comeback
>gets fucking cancelled
FUUUUCKKKK
>>81667176
That is was cancelled? Yes.
Totally not feeling the Aster about that one. :)
>>81668362
They said if Kid Flash was alive or dead was a spoiler. He wasn't dead, he just went into the Speed Force.
>>81667176
>>81667604
Yeah it was mediocre
>>81668488
There's no Speed Force in this universe.
Although I'm sure he would not have stayed dead.
>>81668514
It was CN's number one show when it aired.
>>81668045
You seem to care
>>81668582
>There's no Speed Force in this universe.
Are you sure about that?
>>81668001
>I remember season two being a cluster fuck for some reason.
The first season was really really good and they followed it up with an idiotic time-skip that fucked up most of the established character relationships (Miss Martian was hooked up with fucking Lagoon Boy ffs) as well as a really dull and plodding "Invasion" over arcing plotline that really got old fast (but lasted the whole fucking season). It was amazingly frustrating to watch and *then* when things were finally looking like they were back on track ... cancelled to make room for Teen Titans Go.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
>>81667176
More like avestry, am I right?
>>81668607
So?
>>81668650
Yes, Weisman isn't a huge fan of the concept. So, if Wally didn't die, it would be interesting to learn what actually happened to him.
>static shows up
>show gets cancelled
mother fuck
>>81667176
This show was garbage. It's fanbase I'm sure is populated by nothing but legacyfags and shipfags. A.K.A. pure cancer.
did people generally like or hate robin's aster/avestry etc stuff
also, did he keep doing it in season 2? can't rememberi thought it was pretty funny
>>81668677
Am I the only one that preferred the second season to the first one? The first season took a long time to get good and it didn't have enough going on to be excited. Thought the second season could've used some breating room via some extra episodes, it had a way more interesting plot and it was fun seeing what would happen each episode.
>Miss Martian was hooked up with fucking Lagoon Boy ffs
It actually made sense though. I wish they had actually explored why they hooked up. If they had, it would've made for a stronger couple than M'gann and Conner's cliche bullshit.
>>81668620
About getting you to shut up about it.
>>81668895
Sorry there was no redeeming Lagoon boy. Mouths off to super boy about getting sloppy seconds. I really wanted Super boy to just put him in his place one time.
>>81669322
Why? He was a little too into PDA, but usually Superboy was the one that started shit with him.
>>81668895
>Am I the only one that preferred the second season to the first one?
Yes. Yes, you are.
As annoying as "Hello, Megan!" got (and it was really annoying); Lagoon boy calling MM "Angel Fish" was wince inducing.
>>81668895
Season 2 is one of (if not) the best seasons of an animated superhero show.
>>81669471
No he's not, I like season 2 better as well.
It was worth it just for the focus on Black Manta alone.
>>81669476
>not sure if:
>/co/ntrarian or
>worst. bait. evah.
>>81669476
>>81669519
>pleb taste coming through
You kids are why all the good cartoons end up shit-canned. You know that, right?
I really like this show and even marathon it sometimes. I think it was a really cool way to compress the history and universe of DC into a small show.
>>81667176
The only characters I liked are Artemis, Zatanna, and Aqualad.
Fuck The Culling, by the way.
>>81668677
I liked the timeskip so much I went out and mowed the lawn for like two hours just thinking about it after that episode
>>81669528
>>81669562
It's one of the best written and paced seasons of a superhero show. Outside of a few obvious filler plotlines there is not a single wasted moment. The set ups and payoffs rival even the Cadmus arc on JLU. Each character had a distinct voice and could have been the focus of their own episode by themselves. It had the largest cast of DC characters, knew the DCU back to front, and gave love to a lot of obscure corners. The actions scenes were expertly choreographed and animated. You can hate on it all you want, but it doesn't change how brilliant it is.
>>81668362
best of all is pic related
>>81669815
Literal fanfiction-tier garbage.
>>81669858
>Not knowimg based dick
>>81669858
Says the person posting on a board whose main purpose is objectifying Dick Grayson.
>>81669815
>Barbra's face
She wants to bang both of them.
>>81669815
which comic is this from?
And which girls are his exes at this point?
>>81669562
>>81669778
Heh, you said it better than I could have. Co-signed.
>>81669778
I'd agree with this if there were more episodes to flesh out all the characters. But too many parts felt rushed, and the focus kept shifting from character to character
>>81669905
That's the Young Justice tie-in comic. Pretty much every girl was his ex
>>81669905
Young Justice #20. The one based on the show, not PAD's run.
>>81667176
The big problem I had with this show was that the Light are almost invincible. Their plans are ridiculously convoluted and absurd.
Like they spend the entire season undertaking various schemes (including, at one point, separating the adults and children onto two separate parallel Earths, which should have caused hundreds of thousands of children to die) to acquire different mind-control techs which they then combine into something that works on the whole Justice League.
Except they don't use this to discredit the JL by having them attack Earth, or try and use it to play both sides in an escalating metahuman war or whatever; they get the JL to attack a planet at the other end of the galaxy, so that five years later they can mastermind the JL finding out about this. The JL will be obligated to go and answer their criminal charges, so the Light can take over the planet.
It all seems so ridiculously convoluted. Now maybe they had many of backup plans in place so they win either way, but because we don't get any real looks at their plans it all comes across as arbitrary.
The only episode in the first season where the good guys win without it playing into the Light's hands is halfway through the season, and focuses on Kid Flash with everyone else in the background and features Vandal Savage, for some reason, deciding to get his hands dirty for the only fucking time the entire series.
>>81669969
I guess that's where the schism comes from. Season one is more character focused, while season two is more plot focused.
>>81670082
>showrunner created David Xanatos
>creates a whole team of them to be the villains
and that's why their plans always work one way or another.
>>81669878
>>81669889
Like it all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it reads like a porn scene for a 14-year-old's self-insert.
best fucking girl
>>81667176
The writing was so embarrassingly horrible. It was literally fanfic tier. People remember it because it came in a pretty package and it took itself way too seriously, and people were desperate for another serious take on the dc universe in cartoon format. We wanted another DCAU.
>>81670082
>>81670214
I never had a problem with The Light being the classic cartoon villains who continually assert everything is going to their grand master plan. But if you want to be pedantic The Light was playing an intergalactic political game that involved being in bed with Apokolips, we have very little context for what they were actually doing.
>>81667176
>This is a travesty
I'm about 5 episodes in and I like it.
>>81668933
you know what would shut me up about it?
them making a YJ series based on peter david's YJ
best thing i liked about this show (both seasons) was how well it took the episodic formula and still had a season long overarching story arc
made it feel like a proper story that could allow for characterization and consistency and not just a typical villain of the week everything resolved in 20 minutes every time kind of show
>>81670257
Where do you think you are dude? Also who do you think the target demographic is for these comics?
>>81670349
It kept a lot of the spirit of David's run, and he wrote two episodes. As a fan of the comics I have no idea where you are coming from.
>>81669778
>>81669924
Agreed
>>81670082
>Except they don't use this to discredit the JL by having them attack Earth, or try and use it to play both sides in an escalating metahuman war or whatever; they get the JL to attack a planet at the other end of the galaxy, so that five years later they can mastermind the JL finding out about this. The JL will be obligated to go and answer their criminal charges, so the Light can take over the planet.
They were playing the space game. Vandal didn't just want to control Earth, but to eventually establish Earth as the ruling force of the galaxy. By framing the Justice League of a galactic incident, he shows the mighty forces the planet has and attracts anyone that is interested, allowing him to get ahold of any alien tech they can to continue to push mankind further.
Plus half the time it wasn't even part of their plan all along, but they don't dwell on defeat too much or learn from it. Like they still made good use of the one Starro piece they got even though they could've had more. Or losing the Super Sphere wasn't a big deal if Desaad can send them more weapons anyway.
Not to mention their constant winning made the second season finale more satisfying. Half of their members were incapacitated or in jail. The only thing they got away with was the War World and their dealings with Apokolips intact. And if they tried to pull the same stunt they pulled with the Reach on Apokolips, their whole organization goes tumbling down.
>>81670214
Except it just all seems too convoluted. "The heroes were playing into the villain's hands all along" works some of the time, but it happens almost every episode in YJ S1 (I think every episode except the KF-focused one I mentioned)
At a certain point, you wonder why, if they can predict everyone' actions this well, why they are going for such a convoluted scheme in the first place, as well as making the heroes final victory feel oddly implausible.
That's not even getting into the fact that it kind of limits the potential of the DC universe by having every villain be a pawn of the Light; the sides become binary and storytelling limited. At least S2 had meaningful tension between the Light and the Reach, plus the cluster-fuck over Warworld.
>>81670349
Fuck off faggot, you don't have to like Young Justice but they never marketed this show as being based on PAD's comic so there's no reason to complain about it.
>>81670257
So the guy has casual sex with women, so what? At least he's on good term with it.
Not to mention it's offset at the fact that he's a terrible team leader.
>>81670597
*with them
>>81670334
And that's a problem. Having the bad guys be all mysterious and ominous is good, but can lead to their entire thinking becoming opaque.
>>81670474
See, I felt the opposite. The second season finale felt less satisfying because the Light's long winning streak meant it only felt like they lost this time because the show-runners knew they weren't getting a third season and the heroes had to win something.
Besides, there's a rather big plot hole with the galactic incident thing - why did no-one care a Green Lantern was involved? The answer being, of course, that there's no Green Lantern on the team and thus the show couldn't cover the consequences.
>>81670457
>>81669778
>>81669924
I concur
>>81667604
BASED Speedy!
He was legit badass in that adaption.
>>81670726
It might have led to a bad explanation, but you are omitting the fact that there was an intended third season and we never got the full picture. You also seem to be ignoring a lot of the implications of what the third season would entail with Warworld and Apokolips.
>>81668895
>>81669322
Megan and Connor never really worked because the main driving force behind it seemed to be Megan having a massive crush because Superboy looks superfine.
Remember that Superboy is like, a clone that's only 3-year old or something. He really isn't ready for a relationship.
Lagoon Boy came off as a pretty shitty character on the show though.
>>81670726
>Besides, there's a rather big plot hole with the galactic incident thing - why did no-one care a Green Lantern was involved? The answer being, of course, that there's no Green Lantern on the team and thus the show couldn't cover the consequences.
I think it was handwaved that Grimbor was an outlaw, corrupt planet that the Guardians had no jurisdiction over, so they didn't know about the incident and the little they heard was dismissed as rumor.
Not to mention I doubt a corrupt planet would want to advertise that, since the last thing they'd want was MORE Green Lanterns patrolling their planet.
we all hate Superboy right?
they tried to go with the edgelord thing with heart of gold but totally failed, he was a total cunt too many times
Red Arrow and Arsenal on the other hand nailed it
>this fucking episode
>>81670831
Only time Speedy has been cool.
>>81671267
Yes, Superboy was fucking terrible.
That's why it was glorious when Superboy became team punching bag in season 2.
>>81670597
It's one thing to have a lot of sex. It's another to fuck all of your teammates. It's blatant characterwank but whatever, happens all the time.
But having them all show him special affection they grant nobody else, while making a much older and respected hero act out of character like some kind of prostitute is an entirely different case.
It's not the fact that it exists that bothers me, dumb characterworship happens all the time. It's more the fact that Dickfags seem to unanimously love the page despite the fact that it's terrible, simply because it's Dickwank. It's like that dumb fucking page that talks about Bruce Wayne making some chick orgasm 12 times, it's dumb and should be mocked and derided.
Honestly the fact that Young Justice and it's shitty comic get so much praise here blows my mind, and makes me think you people are just toonfags that dont actually read comics.
>>81667604
I wanna fuck Crispen Freeman
>>81671529
>makes me think you people are just toonfags that dont actually read comics
guilty
>>81671529
Welcome to 4chan.
Also yeah you're absolutely right. And fuck this version of Dick Grayson.
>>81671529
All I'm hearing is that characters aren't allowed to be overly successful. Which makes no sense, we have overly powerful characters, immortal characters, overly genius characters, but overly successful in romantic endeavors somehow is too much?
Bullshit.
show had the best ships, and handled shipping the best way. tumblr autismo shit didn't run rampant, and i enjoyed it immensely.
>>81670870
Yeah, but by that point I think bringing it up would be pointless, because it was so long ago.
Maybe it would work if there hadn't been the timeskip, so there would have been an immediacy to it; the Light mind controls the JL, but it's made clear they have no way to make it stick, so they use that mind control time to give them a later window of opportunity to force the JL (particularly Batman, the best detective/organiser on the JL) off-world for a year. The timeskip just messes all of that up though.
I mean, what was going on in that space of time? Did the Light just stop operating? Considering how much shit happened in the six months S1 covered, that seems absurd, and would only make sense if the S1 finale had seen the Light get their asses beat, but the show makes it clear that they never intended to keep control of the JL, just use the Rimbor distraction at some unspecified future date.
>>81670474 points out that they wanted a galactic incident to attract alien attention to Earth, but that sounds like an incredibly risky prospect. They've got their relationship with Apokolips already, so why do they need the random factor of unknown alien empires coming into contact? Did they already have the Reach picked out? How did they know no-one else was going to interfere? Surely the best way to advance Earth's standing in the galaxy is to try and divert attention away while Earth is weak?
Having them explain the answers to this in S3, which might well have had another timeskip, would be really jarring.
I love how they turned a 55/60 year old C-lister into one of the baddest motherfuckers in the universe.
He didn't give a fuck who he faced, whether it be the League or even the Light. He had no fear and only cared about his rep. His relationship with his estranged family was also quite compelling.
Fantastic villain; dogshit father.
>we'll never get Young Justice season 3: Operator Nightwing
FUCK
>>81671529
people love it because it's ridiculous and hilarious
calm your tits
>>81670306
>DCAU
>not fanfic tier writing
>>81671267
Superboy was my husbando, he was such a woobie
>>81670257
>14-year-old's self-insert
you mean Bruce Timm's Batman, right?
>>81671529
>out of character
>for dick
>>81671529
your autism is showing
>>81671701
>>81671860
>>81672429
>>81674414
Jason Curtis writes...
Hi i have a question, When did Dick aka Nightwing become such awomanizer?!! Zatanna, then Raquel aka Rocket (When did he start dating Raquel?), Bette Kane and who else? Guess bruce wayne aka Batman trained his sidekick in all fields very well or just rubbed of some of that bruce wayne charm on him. lol
>Greg responds...
I'm not sure I'd call him awomanizerat all. He does love women. He connects with them. He doesn't cheat on them either. But at this moment in his life (he's still a teenager, after all), he's just not ready to settle down. I don't think that's wrong, as long as everyone is honest with each other and themselves, which admittedly isn't always easy. But since he's still friends with all his exes, Dick must be doing something right.
As to all your "when" or "who else" questions
What was your reason for having Dicks character be such a womanizer?
>Greg responds...
I don't think he is a womanizer, at least not in the traditional sense that most people use that word. He doesn't lie about who he's with. He's been exclusive for periods of time. He's never cheated on any girl. He always calls the next day. Etc.
Dick has tremendous respect for women, in my opinion. And that respect makes him interested in many women for each one's very different qualities. And that fundamental respect (alongside his other attributes) makes him extremely attractive to a diverse group of powerful women, who know he's secure enough not to require them to be 'less powerful' when dating him.
Also keep in mind, he's still pretty darn young. Should he really be settled down by age 19? I just don't think he's quite ready to settle down, and obviously Barbara agrees.
As for why we made that creative choice, given his history, it just seemed right for the character.
>>81670831
I remember watching this scene with Spike telling them to just start dancing in a park while he recorded them (I don't even remember if there was music) and it was so awkward to watch.
Even watching the gif is awkward to me.
>>81674551
so he goes down on them
>>81674657
Jesus Greg is gloruously autistic
>>81671529
Dickwank irritates me too. I like him as a character, but writers can quickly go overboard and it becomes grating. Not just that page, either. I like the book for the most part, but Grayson is a good example of this. Every fucking issue someone has to mention how hot he is or how much they want his nightwing in their mouth. Enough already.
Whether you like the show or not, can we at least all agree this is the absolute worst Joker?
>>81674811
This guy was so annoying, glad they only used him for one episode.
>>81671529
>toonfags that dont actually read comics
"muh muh muh gatekeeping!"
>>81674811
Some would call me a control freak. Others, just a freak. hehehehehe. Either one works for me.
Weak as my grades, what a shit Joker
>>81674811
his first line when he said "Jjjjaaawliessss" made me think he was going to be good
took a hard nosedive after that though, what the fuck were they thinking
>>81672487
Megan x lagoon boy was a better ship and more sense
On rewatches, Superboy became more enjoyable.
He was his most annoying and hulk like in Schooled and he evened out for the most part when he started getting lessons from Canary except for the Ep where he was mindwiped and running on instincts.
He calmed down a lot by Terrors when he had to manipulate Icicle and the prisoners.
His next big blow up was when he overheard Kaldur mention he knew about a mole just a few hours after the team was almost killed by the Reds.
Around now, he's pretty happy with M'gann and the team. At Failsafe, unlike everyone else he actually got pretty happy got a chance to be Superman. He's not traumatized like the others.
Then while he's calming down, Lex pops up, takes advantage of his loneliness by offering up a brother who he can rescue like the team rescued him. Who then beats the shit out of him mercilessly. Lex announces that unlike what he hoped and dreamed of, he'll never gain flight or anything and the only way to measure up with Match are his patches and that he's his other parent. Then picks on his insecurities that no matter Batman says, no matter what he does or what he'll ever do, Superman will never look at him, right after he's rattled by all of the above information within the span of a few hours.
>>81675080
Lagoon boy had no character and maybe 15 minutes of screen time. He's the worst character in the entire series.
>>81675127
He was pretty much the only member of the original team who was sympathetic in the second season.
Got mindraped by M'gann. Timeline wise, M'gann got with Lagoon Boy in less than a month after their break up and shoved him in his face every chance she got.
Arsenal fucked him over in the fight against Blue Beetle and as he's cut off from oxygen. He made sure Arsenal got to safety and looked relieved to see he was fine after War World and kept silent. Nightwing just humiliated Arsenal in front of everyone in comparison.
>>81675397
Superboy was suicidal in season 2. You could see why, His friends were shit in s2.
M'gann mindrapes him, the secret keepers kill Artemis on his birthday. Seriously she couldn't leave him a card? The team skips his birthday to go to Rocket's shower. They blow up his only home for no reason.
Lex according to word of God had to save him from War World out of parental love.
>this fucking scene
what a tweeeest
>>81675397
>less than a month
When was this stated?
>>81675667
They just broke up around Dec 1 in the tie in comic. Lagoon Bog and M'gann do awkward flirting the same day. By the premier on New Years, it looks like they have been together for a while.
The bitch moves fast.
>>81675127
Funny thing, before he even officially meets him. His body language in terrors while he's manipulating Junior is the same as Lex's when he's manipulating Superboy.
>>81675738
slut.
What I didn't understand was through the entire series why did superboy only have super strength? Even after the timeskip that was the only super power he had when in reality the only ones that would make sense for hi mto not have were heat vision and flight since Superman uses the sun to channel those. He didn't even have super speed when it should've been a package deal with his super strength. Wasn't the point of superman's original move set was that he could do anything a normal human could do expect to the extreme? What the fuck?
>>81676199
I remember him having super hearing too.
>>81676199
>>81676199
He has super speed. Not fast as Wally but he is faster than a speeding bullet. Mostly comes up in tie comics. He out ran a bullet that was about to hit Robin at one point.
>>81676199
Super hearing, strength, smell and some form of super speed. He also has Infrared, telescopic and X-Ray vision.
>>81676296
>>81676362
I guess it was all overshadowed by him suffering the same thing his dad did in his cartoon shows: Being a punching bag and tanking everyone's hits. Except in connor's case, his strategy was to yell pounce and get smacked, rinse repeat.
Superboy in season 2 existed purely to suffer since he was the only one who wasn't doing shady shit.
You can't even bring up keeping M'gann's Mindrape shit secret since Nightwing is aware she mindraped enemies when he smiled about what happened to Psimon.
Just realized Artemis and Conner never spoke to each other for more than one sentence after she asked him out to the movies.
>>81671529
He didn't fuck all of his teammates. Only Zatanna and Rocket. You could count Babs, but he knew her way before the Team.
Also, you seem to ignore the fact that, again, Dick was terrible fucking leader. They made it seem like he would be destined to become the leader, only to have his hopes and dreams shattered when they did the simulation in M'gann's mind. He hated making tough calls and looked uncomfortable when he led the team in Antarctica. Season two was about how he was awful at being the team leader and made one terrible decision after another. That's why he easily handed the role back to Kaldur. Hardly seems like Dickwank to me.
But of course, you get all of this from watching the show. Kind of funny that you're screaming TOONFAGS when you didn't even see the cartoon you're bitching about.
>>81671860
Fuck off samefag.
>>81677279
>Antarctica
That should be Bialya.
>>81677279
Yeah. He was not good with kids. He got too emotional with Tim. He shoved him on to the teams with the least danger.
Tim even covered for Arsenal because he knew Dick would probably freak out too much. Which he does in War World.
Superboy evened out to a better team leader than Dick. He called him out on his secret keeping.
Which makes him asking Kaldur to make Babs not Kon his second in command baffling.
>>81677279
He also put M'gann on her path to mindraping by teaching her you can Mindrape as long as it's the bad guys in season 1 before Kaldur became leader.
>>81674811
>>81674845
>>81674919
>>81674968
Hi greg
I have noticedJokerhas only appeared in one episode and hasn't been mentioned since.Do you guys have a reason for not using him more or was it because (no offense) his poor reception by SOME fans?
Thanks
Greg responds...
It had NOTHING to do with any poor reception by SOME fans. You have to understand that EVERYTHING was set long before ANY episodes aired.Joker- a Batman villain - was only ever slated to appear that one time in the first season. He didn't fit anywhere else.
And we love our version of theJoker. LOVE.
ZP writes...
Sadly, the only thing in your wonderful show that has disappointed me is theJoker, one of the most iconic villains. He looked like theJoker, but he just didn't feel like him. I'm not going to shout at you for how you portrayed him, but I'm curious as to why you chose to portray him the way you and your team did. Why wasn't he voiced by Mark Hamill?
Greg responds
I just can't really understand the thought process behind this question. Why not ask me why I'm not using Cesar Romero as theJoker? (I mean - beyond the fact that he's dead.) We're starting fresh with a fresh interpretation. And frankly, when Brent Spiner was done
Jordan writes...
I really enjoyed "Revelation." I'm curious about the show's take on theJoker. I can see the influence from Heath Ledger's portrayal, but I was wondering what else influenced the overall design and characterization of your version.
Greg responds...
I think we were probably less influenced by Ledger'sJokerthan you might think - which is not to say it might not be in the mix somewhere and/or that I wasn't impressed with Ledger, because of course I was.
But we're all just retreating to common sources anyway.
Anyway, I can't speak to what influenced Phil and/or Brandon and/or Brent, but I mostly go back to old comics of my childhood for inspiration.
>>81671044
Season 2 also had the implications that he outgrew her. He was 22 and she was still mentally a teenager.
what is this tie in comic im hearing of?
link/sauce?
>>81677763
Literally google "young justice tv show comic"
>>81677279
I'd say that Season 2 was more about him becoming everything that he didn't want to be: throwing teammates in danger, lying to his closest friends, being a jerkass
quick, who was the best girl?
I watched the entire series in one week back in 2013's summer, so I forget mostly everything that happened in this show.
I do remember liking nearly every episode and character introduced in season one. Season two was.......a mess.... The episodes were bland as fuck and the 48 new characters were crammed in and uninteresting.
Only parts I can remember from the second season are some baby shower, Supergirl getting the piss beat out of her by black beetle, that annoying fish, some like 7 part arc about static shock and his hobo friends and aqua lad being undercover.
Oh, and best character dying in the finale. That was pointless. The show probably would have been better suited as a one season only thing.
I found Bart superior to Wally in every single way.
>Ends Season 2 on lots of things that are going to happen
>Gets cancelled
If it ended like Season 1, I wouldn't mind but fuck lots of things that could happen in season 3 was set up at the end of season 2.
>>81679885
Getting a lot of attention on Netflix.
Didio said the comic section really wants a revival but it's in WB animation's hands.
>>81679928
Sauce
>>81679928
>it's in WB animations hands
http://comicbook.com/2016/03/05/dc-comicss-dan-didio-on-whether-young-justice-could-return/
>>81679928
If he likes it why did he kill the tie in comic so quickly? It could have continued from there like Weisman wanted.
It got killed before the cartoon.
>>81680337
He didnt, the show ended. Greg pitched an e16 book but it didnt fit in their plans
A YJ S3 would literally get me so hype
the worst part of Season 2 was how Dick and Deathstroke never got a fight and how Deathstroke was beaten off screen
>>81668691
quality of a show doesn't matter if it's a hit in ratings
I just want what's promised in disordered, the other 5 angst about what they're becoming. Superboy fucks off and has fun adventures with New gods.
And Weisman already has Roquette, King Shark, Match and Dubbilex. I waned Knockout. There's a quick cameo of super strong red haired girl in a green leotard when everyone with super strength was getting abducted.
>>81680731
It's pretty clear just from their showings, Weisman gave no fucks about the Bat Rogues. They were embarrassed every time they showed up by a meta.
Bane got oneshoted by Superboy, Clayface got beaten in a opening shot, Poison Ivy and Joker had to be boosted by Wotan to be a threat to the team. Mr Freeze wasn't a big deal. Besides Ra's everyone else seemed like a afterthought.
>>81667176
YJ sucks for many reasons. But one overlooked reason is that to appreciate it to it's fullest, you have to be in the know about the comics. The series is too absorbed in the idea that it's one part of a greater DC Universe that the audience hasn't seen yet.
And yet, it's like when the Light is introduced, it's like "So fucking what, who are these people?", or when its revealed that Aqualad switched sides, did we even see or hear of Black Manta in season 1? Was it ever established in the context of YJ: the series that Black Manta is an established entity in Aqualad's world, or do we have to read the YJ tie in comics or use our imagination from what we may know from the comics to put the puzzle together?
It's unfair that Weisman gave YJ this whole unique continuity and timeline, because it goes to waste.
>>81680891
Black Manta was there in episode 9 to steal Starro. He had to be beaten up by Garth and Aqualad.
>>81667176
That it was cancelled? I agree
>>81680891
Black Manta was in season 1.
>>81680891
Black Manta was there when we were introduced to Atlantis.
>>81680891
Black Manta was projecting he was interested in Aqualad pretty hard In Downtime. They made Black Manta a big deal.
>>81674811
why does he look so normal? hes the most normal joker ive ever seen.
he looks like a bored office worker who put on some face paint and died his hair
>>81680870
Weisman liked Golden Age heroes.
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>>81680558
It sucks, since the comic tie-ins to TNBA and Teen Titans for some reason lasted several years after their shows ended. I don't get while it couldn't have been the same for YJ.
>>81680756
that's Maxima not Knockout.
>>81667176
Eh, it was better than that Avengers cartoon
>>81680870
Bane was great in his episode
>>81680870
>Clayface got beaten in a opening shot
In the comic tie-in, where his story took place before that opening, he was more impressive. He stalked around the Team and shapeshifted into different members, then took them out one by one until Aqualad was left.
It was also the first time anyone had fought Clayface, so Batman bursting in with the taser was him coming off with the first solution he thought was right and got lucky with it.
>>81681186
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>>81680991
Well alright. But I still stand by my other useless opinions.
>>81671529
>and makes me think you people are just toonfags that dont actually read comics
>/co/ - cartoons and comics
>Can't just be here for cartoons
>there will never be a third season
>>81668362
Don't forget "every time Superboy is in a fight in Season 2 it's so he can get punched so hard he flies offscreen"
Season 2 was fucking garbage
It's like if Justice League Unlimited was shit
pretty much this. Season 2 was better.
>>81674811
I didn't give a fuck desu. He was a minor character and the show could do without him. On the other hand, the interpretations of Sportsmaster, count Vertigo, Vandal Savage and Mongul were GOAT.
>>81668758
There was access to it, though. The YJ toon was universe 16 in the pre-New 52 DC Multiverse, so it had the connection to it. I can't speak for Weisman, and he seems to be keeping pretty tight-lipped on it, but I think Wally's "death" was supposed to lead to him getting a power boost like his comic book counterpart.
End of series, WOG said that M'gann and Conner only managed to heal their friendship by the end of the series. So I'm hoping for Knockout flirting.
M'gann is an agency vampire that needs to stay away from him. Whenever he was hanging out with anyone else (Jaime, Cameron, Arsenal, Superman and the new gods) he was far more entertaining than any moment with M'gann.
>>81667945
>Everyone watched it week to week
More like week to week to six months to week to three more months... I mean, I get what you're saying, but I know that *I* stopped following it about halfway through season 1 and only caught a few episodes of Invasion. And, I assume like a lot of people, only really saw it all the way through on Netflix recently. You gotta expect that when a show goes up on Netflix all of a sudden.
>>81685188
Weisman openly hates power boosts. He mentions it a lot on his website.
>>81668758
Even without the Speed Force, it's possible some "travelled so fast he broke the time barrier" nonsense happened, if only because I'm sure a third season would've had another time-jump to the next generation of young heroes, and then they could wring all the DRAMA out of Artemis having moved on.
>>81668810
I really, really liked YJ Robin - both of them - but a lot of /co/ found each character's catchphrase/verbal tics annoying. And no, I believe he only referenced his -isms a few times as Nightwing, as an inside joke with his old friends.
>>81685380
How could he move so fast to break anything? He died because he was too slow. Bart and Barry had to slow down to try to get energy away from him.
>>81681224
>Weisman liked Golden Age heroes.
He was I believe an assistant editor on the All-Star Squadron book during the 80s when he worked at DC Comics.
>>81668895
No, I felt the same way. There's more stuff going on with season 2 thematically I feel, and having the Justice League be gone for a good chunk of the season raised the stakes appropriately. I love the idea of "The Team" weaponizing the soap opera drama of super-life, i.e. the Kaldur/Artemis plot.Still stupid that they didn't explain how Miss Martian, a PSYCHIC, bought her fake death.
>>81669610
Yeah, I loved that theme of legacy that was SUPER-important in 90s DC, which is their peak to me because of childhood bias, so I warmed up to the show more as they started juggling two generations of young heroes.
>>81668766
whatever happened to Static Shock? That show was BASED
>>81680690
Not only that, but M'gann disguised as Deathstroke fights hand to hand with Black Beetle successfully.
this abomination is an example of previously respected director going full hack mode and shitting all over his fans
I just re-watched it in case they actually do check viewer numbers for a renewal or some shit but S1 is massively overrated here. S2 had a much better storyline with a better defined villain.
I loved it.
>>81685534
The pills Artemis took when Kaldur "stabbed" her simulated death for a few hours. Kind of like the poison in Romeo & Juliet.
>>81671044
Why did nobody talk about howMegan basically groomed Superboy into her fantasy boyfriend?
It wasn't just that shebuilt a fake personality based off a teen sitcom character, she took advantage of Connor's stunted emotions soturn him into the teen sitcom star's boyfriend.
But in Season 2 we completely forget that and instead they break up because suddenly M'gann was too forceful with her telepathy?? Really?? That's the most important problem in your relationship??????
God, it seemed like everybody used Superboy for their own gain.
>>81667176
Remember Greg said his plans for season 3 would have included another time skip.
>>81689538
Megan took her Husbando-ism too far?
>>81689650
M'gann is48 years old. Connor is a few months old. M'gann tried toturn him into a boyfriendto roleplay some fantasy like he was a Ken doll and she was Barbie. Only it isn't roleplay to him, it can't be, it's all he knows!
Superman and Batman aren't much fucking better, even though they're the adults. Superman is too fucking weirded out and possibly ashamed by Connor to be a father and basically dumps Connor on Batman's lap to take care of him. Batman uses Connor for dangerous missions in exchange for food and shelter.
All he knows how to do is name things, becauseLex Luthorof all fucking people cared enough to give this kid some kind of a chance at sentience when the rest the Light just wanted a weapon to punch Superman.
How fucking terrible is that
When Lex Luthor cares more about you as a person than Superman or your girlfriend
>>81674811
is that a british joka?
I really liked the Blue Beetle-Impulse dynamic. I mean, I liked them both individually and how they interact as well.
>>81689592
Thing is, we don't know how long it would've been.
For all we know, it would've taken place 16 seconds after the finale.
>>81689891
And I wish they addressed this in the series. God, I wish season 2 didn't just make him a punching bag.
We should have talked about how M'gann was evolving from roleplaying to actually becomingMegan the TV actressby goddamnraising the actress' son as her own.
That's toxic. That is so fucking toxic!
Connor needed to realize what M'gann did to him. He needed to step in with Bart. We needed to at least acknowledge this. Season 2 - nothing.
>>81673984
Yeah, who saw fucking sportsmaster of all people.coming as a scary Dragon?
>>81690020
It was basically a new version of Blue and Gold when you think about it.
>>81690041
It would have been a couple of years. Maybe not 5 years again but a couple.
>>81690091
Again, I wouldn't assume too much. When Greg was asked about season two before it began, he said it picks up immediately after season one ended, and he was technically right about that.
>>81671375
>Superman goes out of his way to ignore you
>Lex shows up, says he's your other dad, gives you drugs
poor superboy
>>81690310
Think about how Superman feels. He's being accused of being someone's baby daddy. Lex Luthors baby daddy no less. That's like Jesus getting Satan teen pregnant
>>81690413
>Lex, you had Superman's child?
>LUTHOR, YOU MADMAN!
>>81689891
At least Supes finally took on a big brother role after the timeskip.
>>81667604Wait a minute, Patrick...I'M the maniac!
>>81667604
Not a single soul. With 0.0 rating and 0.0 million views each week I'm surprised it went on as long as it did.
>>81689891
It's called shitty writing.
>>81684509
>It's like if Justice League Unlimited was shit
So it IS Justice League Unlimited?
>>81689891
Mentally, they were both 16 even with his inexperience.
By the time skip, she's mentally still a teenager and he's adult.
He was well aware of the name, show and her entire delusion. He gives her looks of pity whenever she emphasizes she's green. Because he knew she was a giant liar.
>/co/ now hates YJ
Why does this always happen? Why must we always turn on what once brought us joy?
>>81689891
Superboy was literally going to run off and fight on his own without the league in the second ep. Batman made sure he at least had a place to stay.
>>81675617
It was pretty forced, I was just glad to see more Roy.
>>81681321
Your world's about to break.
>>81690413
>>81690581
It's like that silver age page, you know the one.
>SOB!
>>81668044we all did, but even anonymous people want to look cool
>>81681413
He was probably the biggest guy in that episode
>>81690044
I was with you until you seriously used the word 'toxic'. Don't use that word. It's ridiculous.
>>81690044
She considers him a brother. Marie Logan acknowledged M'gann as another daughter before she was killed in revenge by Queen Bee.
>thwart villain
>"just as planned"
>>81667176
This was better.
>>81668810
I loved Robin/Nightwing, but I hated pretty much every character's catchphrase.
"NEPTUNE'S BEARD!"
>>81694384
Eh. They just went out of their way to fix their fuck ups. When they lost Starro, they had to to seperate the world's to get it back in the chaos.
While they had already had Strange in their pocket, they lost the possibility to freely manipulate the prisoners in Belle Reve in the chaos of a break out. batman and the league was suspicious of Strange being dirty since Coldhearted in response.
The Light's cartoon losses:
They lost Fate, the Reds, Amazo, Sphere, Superboy stopped their prison break, they lost the fog and Serling. they lost control of Qurac, they didn't get whatever Parasite was supposed to get for them. They lost control of Brain's experiment island. Count Vertigo's attempted grab at Perdita's crown.
They do lose a lot. Their biggest just as planned moments before the finale is getting Starro back and getting the Rhelesian countries on their side.
Tie In Comic loses.
Lost control of Gorilla City
Failed in assassination of Carol
Failed in the coup to take over Atlantis with Oceammaster's purists.
Lost the plutonium that Psycho Pirate was supposed to steal.
Game Losses;
Lost control of Tiamut
>>81667604
Yeah like two eps.
Then I watched one more ep further in where the league talks about adding new members.
Arrow wants his sidekick in, Hal and Stewart doesn't want Guy, WW wants more women, Bat defends Marvels right to remain despite him being a kid
>>81695079
Don't forget the Injustice League. It existed only because they wanted The League to stop investigating them.
But yeah they did get big losses. They just threw out Oceanmaster because his kept sucking,
Man that Season 1 episode where it was just Robin and Artemis against the three tornados was fucking great. Their banter and efforts to survive felt so real. I especially loved how Artemis was having a fucking panic attack and Robin just straight up lays down the truth.
>Distraught? Of course I'm distraught!
>Well get traught or get dead!
>>81696021
I loved pretty much anything YJ did with the Reds and with the regular humans. Robin and Artemis (and the team as a whole in the earlier episodes) doing stealthier tactics was really cool. I wish there had been more Reds stuff, if they integrated it correctly.
>>81694068
For you
>>81681214
They were trying to make the Joker hot. Many girls lust for Heath Ledger's Joker and YJ was for girls. The upcoming Suicide Squad movie has a hunkie Joker too
>>81675080
Cuz greens belong together, am I right Cartman?
Link
>>81685264
Link>>81685226
Agency vampire
>>81685720
Finished its run. Hr showed up in Justice League a couple times
>>81689538
>>81689891
Ask Greg about that, it does come off as a bit rapey.
Greg answers a lot of questions
Hell search the archives someone probabaly already did
>>81694147
Wasnt she gay?
>>81693271
Nope>>81692896
Remember the Summer of Love
>>81695295
>>81695079
Its hilarious how that happened
>>81670214
Fuckin' Xanatos, man. Even though I'm a good person I would give anything in my power to be as clever/cunning/whatever helps him plan as well as he does, as he is.
>>81693171
>It was pretty forced
How?
>>81670359
>Robin once mused over why people say "overwhelmed" and not just "whelmed"
>a few months later I find out "whelmed" is actually a thing and means literally the same thing as "overwhelmed"
Whelm
>to overcome in thought or feeling
Overwhelm
>to overpower in thought or feeling
>>81668895
I agree. The time skip was handled poorly but the second season as a whole ties up much better than the first. It's woven more cleverly with more solid plot lines. The first season doesn't seem to have any clear direction until all the macguffins come together during the finale.
>>81668362
I feel the opposite way. Season 1 was literally bad writing incarnate, while Season 2 at least had an ongoing arc with high stakes.
>>81670257
So you mean accurate to the source material? Because Dick Grayson is the biggest manslut in comics.
