Is this the first Thomas Wayne to actually try fighting Joe Chill and getting killed for it? Because it sure as well is the first Martha, and I feel it's wildly missing the point of what the Waynes were all about.
>>81583895
Well, it would be silly for the Comedian not to.
>>81583895
>Weirdly missing the point
That's Snyder in a nutshell
>>81583895
It's definitely not the first but I can't remember where it happened before
>>81583964
Flashpoint.
>>81583895
No.
>>81583895
In the JLU episode "For the Man Who Has Everything" when the plant jumps on Batman his vision is his dad beating Joe Chill's ass.
>>81583895
>I can't just have the pearls break with the gunshot
>The gun must literally break the pearls itself, because of how much extra pottery it adds
>I'm a good director
>>81583999
>>81584014
Doesn't count, it's a dream sequence.
>>81583975
Also kinda' doesn't count, it's the edge-verse.
dark knight returns (actual scene is in dksa or year one)
>>81584004
Namefag literally no one cares about your opinion
You were the autist who was sperging about the April Fool's prank because you couldn't namefag and then tried some ass pull about how namefags are important because they keep /pol/ away or some shit. Kindly kill yourself in as painless a way as possible
>>81584004
It's literally lifted from DKR. You thought Snyder was original enough to come up with that by himself?
>>81583895
Is the point that Martha should just stand there and die and not try and defend her child?
>>81583975
But Thomas survived there. Hell even Martha did.
The opening scenes were Bruce's dreams/memories. The events obviously didn't happen the way they were shown. This is evidenced by the fact that Martha's perils fell down the gutter and into the cave where Bruce was picked up by a swarm of bats. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual event is shown to be quite different in future films.
>>81584029
This was also a dream sequence.
>>81583895
Its a joke. ITS ALL A JOKE!!!!!!!
>>81583895
>I feel it's wildly missing the point of what the Waynes were all about.
Their point is to be dead.
>>81584029
>Doesn't count, it's a dream sequence.
The othe one was a dream sequence too.
>>81584097
To be fair, in FTMWHE he's seeing his ideal version of what happened (his father defeating Chill). When his parents die, it's because he's fighting back for control against a sentient plant.
For all we know, the dream sequence in BvS is literally what happened up until the bat christening.
They were all about marey sueing money into feel good things and getting shot down infront of Bruce by a mugger in an alley.
>>81583895
It was moronic. If a guy has a fucking gun on you and your family and he wants money then just give him the money.
>>81584037
The gun thing was not. DKR had the pearls break without the gun in the panel, and it was much more refined.
Snyder had to add the gun barrel breaking the pearls because he's convinced he's way smarter than he actually is.
>>81584297
It makes the scene far more dense, anon. The density quota in BvS is off the charts!
>>81584297
Also real pearls are knotted between each pearl. Breaking the string only scatters the pearls if they're fake.
There's criticism and there's nitpicking.
I bet if Nolan directed this scene, it would go by without comment.
>>81584312
Seriously Namefag
See>>81584036
Arrange your affairs
Pick out a grave plot and coffin and leave enough money aside to pay for it
And kill yourself in as painless a way as possible
>>81584374
Nolan filmed the most lackluster Wayne death ever.
Burton's was best.
>>81584374
>I bet if Nolan directed this scene
No because Nolan did it with some fucking restraint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYwclxbC558
>>81584407
I love you too, cupcake. Also I have no idea what the fuck that other post is talking about.
>>81584004
How would the pearl breaks from the gunshot? They are hard to hit with bullets
>>81584471
Boring, and they get shot so fast you can miss it if you blink.
>>81584506
It doesn't matter, it's just a basic visual metaphor. Snyder doubling down on the poetry makes it become laughable.
>>81584524
That's why I like it though, it's just this quick and horrible thing that happens.
>>81584551
This is one time slow motion would have helped.
Like in Burton. It didn't matter that Joker was the killer.
>>81584524
I forgot that the death of Batman's parents has to be sexy and cool now.
The whole thing looked like a perfume commercial and is indicative of Snyder's retardation.
>>81584578
>Burton
That one was pretty good. It fit well with the rest of the movie.
>>81584112
For real tho. People read all this shit and think the Waynes have to stand for some specific principle, when really their only function is to die and motivate Bruce to become Batman.
If they would approve of Batman, if they fought back, if they were upper crust and disengaged with the poor or if they were caring philanthropists... That's all down to the writer of the time to decide.
>>81584014
>“If you look closely you can actually pinpoint the exact moment his heart breaks in two.”
>>81583895
>Is this the first Thomas Wayne to actually try fighting Joe Chill and getting killed for it?
No, that happened in the comics too.
>Because it sure as well is the first Martha, and I feel it's wildly missing the point of what the Waynes were all about.
Batman's mom was always named Martha.
>Thomas isn't a coward in this version
Great.
>>81584004
You're more pathetic than Boco.
>>81583895
If Martha got shot in the head how was she still alive when she was laying on the ground?
>>81584821
I figure the waynes being philanthropists is kinda needed to justify batman becoming batman. You see people say 'why doesn't Bruce just spend all that bat money on orphans instead of gadgets' and you can just point to his dead philanthropist parents and say 'clearly that alone isn't good enough in Gotham'
it raises the point that while Batman might not be as big a philanthropist as he could be, his actions make every other philanthropist in the city safer so their good work isn't cut short, which probably adds up to a larger amount of money making it to charity each year overall.
That scene is very clearly taken from the beginning of dark knight returns. The only difference is the pearls getting caught on the gun and breaking when it fires, as opposed to just being caught on his arm and breaking when he pulls away.
>>81584081
Strong denial.
>>81584893
Which comics?
>>81584935
>Complying is cowardly
Don't be a fool. I hope you never mugged so you don't get yourself hurt trying to be a hero.
>>81585322
not that anon but i don't think there's one way to look at it
do what you can get away with
>>81584004
>namefag having shit opinions
wow, there's so much things to complain about of BvS and you still chose the one that was alright
>>81583895
But Anon, the Wayne's are descended from hunters
>>81583895
This really felt like uncle Ben idiotically trying to grab the thief's gun in ASM
>People are too familiar with the situation, we got to make it feel fresh and new!
>>81585957
Uncle Ben's still made some sense given his philosophy.
But the deleted version was much better and truly heartbreaking.
>>81583895
he literally does it in the fucking comics, as in the first ever telling of Batman's origins, you fucking retard.
Seriously go back to /tv/ if you dont read any comics
>>81586073
Post proof.
>>81585897
i-isn't everyone?
>>81586112
i'm a descendant of ur mum lmao
>>81586161
...brother? They told me you were stillborn?
>>81586107
read it for yourself fag
>>81586107
He's kinda right
>>81585471
>>81586303
Wow I came here to complain about how dumb that scene ins BvS was, but apparently Thomas Wayne really was that dim-witted. Bummer.
>>81583895
>wildly missing the point of what the Waynes were all about
The Waynes were all about dying senselessly in an alleyway while Bruce watched. They are a plot device to enable Batman. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>81584524
>and they get shot so fast you can miss it if you blink.
That may have been intentional to show that things that can change your entire life can happen in a split second. Or perhaps to show that even though this event would change Bruce and Gotham forever it was ultimately just a mugging gone wrong. Just another crime in a crime-ridden city. Nothing special.
Whether it was intentional or not I much preferred it to BvS. Not everything has to be super slo mo and close up and overly dramatic.
>>81586303
Huh. Bruce's dad was Dick Tracy, apparently.
>>81586549
Here they died due to their own comical stupidity though
>>81585322
Kek you are a fucking pussy who clearly doesnt live in a major city. I had some crackhead try to mug me at a gas station and I punched him in the throat and starting beating his face in with the handle of my knife and he ran off.
>>81586549
In many iterations Bruce feels insicure about wether he's as much as an upstanding man as his father or not
>Am i helping the city like he used to if i dress like a bat? Would he be proud of me?
That sort of shit
Sure, their main role is just to die, but that doesn't mean they can't be more
>>81583895
It happened in Burtons Batman
>>81586604
Doesn't matter at all. The point is that they died, and Bruce couldn't do anything to stop it. Mission accomplished.
There is no "point of what the Waynes were all about".
>>81586652
Go back to school dude
>>81586655
Different context, he didn't try attack the man with the gun, he was defending his wife from the other thug, which was even surprised by how Joker decided to kill them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F9RzLqKu2g
>>81586716
Context doesn't matter he fought back
>>81586762
I guess you're right in OP's context of "would they Waynes really fight back", but on the other hand it matters because it's not as stupid as directly assaulting the man that's pointing a gun at your face
>>81586588
I'm okay with this headcanon. especially since Tracy practically invented the modern 'colorful' rogue's gallery
>>81586812
>hes never had anyone point a gun at him the post
>he thinks if you give a mugger your stuff they will just go away
Have fun watching him rape your wife in front of you
>>81586812
The man attacking his wife could have had a knife or a gun. It didn't matter he attacked anyway to defend his wife.
>>81586861
Please do tell me of the brave times when you fought a mugger to save your wife and her boyfriend's son
>>81586942
That's not how a narrative works, if the movie wanted you to think the other guy had a weapon too it would've let you know
But this thread is pretty pointless, in the end since both comics and other media made it in different ways it's just a matter of preferences
>>81583895
No.
Hey, isn't that Negan?
>>81587094
Narrative doesn't matter because just like in a real life situation he doesn't know for sure he doesn't have a weapon and he takes a risk attacking.
>>81587145
Yeah. It's him. And Martha Wayne was Maggie
>>81585298
The scene in the movie is literally a frame by frame recreation of their death in The Dark Knight Returns. Thomas does the same thing.
>>81586107
The scene's taken straight out from the dark knight returns faggot
>>81583895
why you american so obsessed with this scene?
>>81587496
>implying TDKR is canon
retard
>>81586716
Christ that movie had such good direction. It was a shame Burton didnt give a shit about the comics though.
>>81586701
>I have no counter argument.
>>81587721
It's canon. It just happened in other universe, just like the movie
>>81584959
Not to mention his parents being philanthropists and his dad being a doctor help justify his no killing code in universe. He was raised by people who believed in things ike rehabilitation and the hippocratic oath.
>>81588104
I wish he put more effort into the 'dance with the devil' thing
the way the Joker says it, and then apologizes and explains it's just a thing he does, it makes the whole thing seem really contrived and insincere, like the script itself drawing attention to the fact that he has zero reason to use that as his catchphrase, it was just chosen arbitrarily as the sequence of words to let Bruce know Joker was the one who killed them
>>81588562
more like da PUSSYcratic oath amirite
>>81588654
I guess that could be seen as a sign that he was always prone to spectacle during his criminal activities, even before the Joker transformation basically "outed" him, but yeah, it was mostly just a plot device to make Bruce find out who he was
>>81588371
I couldn't even read your post, it had too many spelling errors.
>>81588562
His family is being threatened by a mugger.
Of course he'll fight.
Anyway we don't see Chill talking to the Wayne either and I doubt he just stood here pointing his gun without saying a word.
We can assume that Waybe tried to reason him before deciding to go in.
>>81583911
So wait, that Is Henry Dean Morgan?
>>81584524
Do you blink with your ears too?
why am i aroused by this pyschosexual shot?
>>81584471
I always remember from the one time I ever saw BB how odd it felt like Martha Wayne was just there. Her husband didn't seem to talk to her, Bruce didn't give a shit. I bet that scream was her only line. She didn't have pearls, lame.
>>81587496
The only difference is that Martha doesn't have glasses. Where the fuck is Frank Miller's credit?
>>81590510
>the one time I ever saw BB
pleb
>She didn't have pearls
blind retarded pleb
>>81583895
Why do we even have to see his parents death scene in every movie? We have seen it a billion times, we know his parents are dead, please just stop including it. If you really feel the need to spell it out have Wayne visit their grave or something. I just fucking hate flashbacks.
>>81584374
Yeah /co/ just has an anti-Snyder bias. /co/ loves Nolan and never ever complains about his interpretation of the Batman mythos.
How new are you?
>>81584374
Nolan produces these DC movies. But he strikes me as a guy who doesn't really care. I want him out.
>>81589763
Snyder has vision, but is incapable of reaching. He's literally the director version of the clay winged Icarus when you think about it.
>>81589763
Literally pulling at straws. The only thing that diatribe has correct is the Lex Luthor stuff.
>>81591176
The Excalibur & moby dick stuff seems pretty accurate. Snyder still can't pull off what he promises well tho.
>>81589285
Yes.
Eddie Blake was a illegitimate child of the Wayne family. And Negan is an one of Eddie Blake's illegitimate children.
>>81589285
Hi I'm Negan
>>81590775
So Thomas can whisper "Martha" and set up the third act twist.
>>81590775
read it in her voice
>>81590441
that deepwater horizon trailer before the movie was way more erotic
>>81585322
You're a pussy.
>>81588413
LMAO you don't even know what canon means
>>81584036
LMAO WHAT
>>81593310
Or you don't apparently.
Do you think Earth-31 is any less canon than the main one? If anything, it's retconned less.
>and I feel it's wildly missing the point of what the Waynes were all about.
What the fuck do you think the Waynes were about Anon? I mean God forbid a father tries to protect his family, right? He should stand there and take it.
There's no symbolism. You are literally just taking potshots at Snyder at this point.
>>81590775
Same reason every time Spiderman gets a new series we have to do ANOTHER origin arc. For some reason, we can't ever just start a new set of Spiderman movies off with Spiderman webbing away at Doc Ock or some shit.
>>81585322
Why not. Offer to suck their dick while you're at it
>>81587614
>>81591499
>in the scenes where he visits their grave they use flowers to block Thomas' name so you don't get confused
>>81593310
You're fucking stupid, anon.
>>81590441
You and me both bro
>>81593613
Its so lazy, just included to fill up space. Is there anyone who doesn't know Spidermans origins? My grandma fucking knows Spidermans origin.
>>81584524
Any other way wouldn't have fit with how the Nolan Bat-films were filmed and would have been really jarring. He didn't use stylized photography or slo-mo shots. Which goes along with his version of Batman being grounded without any super-powered super villains or supernatural phenomena. It might not be to your taste but it suited the films overall style.
>>81585471
>hold on son, let me try to punch this mugger pointing a gun at us.
Why
>>81583895
What exactly is the point of the Waynes then? I'm a bit tired of this ''Yet another thing Snyder completely missed the point of'' bandwagonism.
>>81583895
They had a point besides being killed?
