What's the max power of his blast? Who's the most powerful guy/being his blast could take down?
>>81583721
He was able to actually slow down World War Hulk that the Hulk had to struggle to reach him through the beam for a minute.
No actual hard number had been released (not that it would matter, writers don't read that shit ever), but his optic blasts effectively have unlimited range unless they hit something and have shown to be capable of leveling pretty much anything that isn't totally indestructible when he takes his visor off.
>>81583757
what even happens when he shoots a beam, like where does it go?
does it just dissipate into heat or something?
>>81583757
Here's him cutting the top off a mountain to escape after X-Force was buried under it.
>>81583721
his max power blasts are only a grade or two weaker than Black Bolt's voice
>>81583788
When it hits an object it dissipates because it's force is spent.
If it doesn't hit an object it will literally travel FOREVER in a straight line until it hits something, which is why he's so goddamn precise with his powers.
In affect he has a weapon of near-unlimited power (albiet only coming in the form of concussive force) with effectively unlimited range as long as he has line of sight available to him.
In once scene in Uncanny he was able basically to stand-in for a turret in a spaceship battle by just dragging people with his blasts in space.
>>81583788
He opens a portal to the punch dimension and unleashes it through his eyes. Then the dark matter which makes up 70% of the universe takes it back into its folds.
One second he is slicing a building in two, the next is he knocking someone over. All depends on how much punch comes from the punch dimension
>>81583835
How fast is it? I've seen people dodge it.
Wasn't there a time he unleashed it on Juggernaut but it slowed him down for like a second before he worked his way up to him and beat the shit out of Scott?
>>81583867
Punch dimension moves as fast as any punch can
>>81583867
It's almost instant. People can still dodge it because he has to be looking at the place he's going to shoot, and his head doesn't move instantly.
>>81583835
Concussive as in all it does is push?
>>81583867
Not quite light speed, but there's also a delay on Scott's part; he tries only to fire when he's SURE it will hit, and he needs to hit the switch on his visor or in his gloves to fire off a blast.
If you're fast enough you can be where he's not looking directly at (unless he's using a wide-spread beam pattern) and close with him and take him out before he gets a shot off because of this.
People have had the easiest time fighting him when they get into the melee with his teammates because then Scott won't fire without being extra sure.
>in depth discussion about a fictional thing that can change completely depending on the writer
>>81583909
Yes. But so do bullets, so yeah.
There's no heat involved in his optic blasts though.
>>81583721
No one really knows because if he keeps the concussive force going too long his eyes will burn out. There was a comic where Mr Sinister was shooting someone or something with an elephant gun type weapon and the "bullets" were cloned cyclops eyes, one in each chamber. They let off a massive blast then burnt out.
>>81583909
Can stab and crash but can't set people on fire. No idea why they went with that route instead of classic laser.
>>81583937
>There was a comic where Mr Sinister was shooting someone or something with an elephant gun type weapon and the "bullets" were cloned cyclops eyes, one in each chamber.
A+X when he teamed up with Kid Loki and stole something from Doom. Sex issue.
>>81583909
The heat aspect of his optic blasts is generated from friction as it pummels into something for a sustained amount of time. If he keeps it up he can melt metal and if he opens his visor just right he can make a cutting "laser" but it's just friction heat.
>>81583950
I think because they wanted to avoid the Heat Vision analogy. Also because then he'd be setting everybody on fucking fire, which the CCA wouldn't allow at the time.
>>81583978
Ah, I see. I figured they didn't want to draw parallel with Superman's beams.
>>81583788
his beam is concussive force. as Newton informs us, energy is lost during transformation. What doesn't get transferred into the things it hits gets lost as heat from the friction, light, and sound
>>81583937
>There was a comic where Mr Sinister was shooting someone or something with an elephant gun type weapon and the "bullets" were cloned cyclops eyes, one in each chamber. They let off a massive blast then burnt out.
This is the creepiest thing I have ever fucking heard of and I've seen some pretty sick shit on this board.
>>81583721
Isn't it commonly stated that at full power he can level a mountain?
>>81583988
Gimme sec to find it and I'll storytime that story.
>>81583978
>>81583983
Also, with a concussive beam the whole "trick shot" thing he does is (slightly) more credible. A laser wouldn't bounce around as much unless there were lot of reflective surfaces.
He's Cyclops putting Cap to shame with his ricochet shots.
Really, Cyclops is basically a walking example of the Bruce Lee phrase;
>"Fear not the man who has mastered 100 punches, but the one who had practiced one punch 100 times."
He has exactly ONE power that does exactly ONE thing, so he's gotten extremely efficient at using it.
>>81583988
>>81583988
It was in AvX.
Is there an issue where Scott can control his blast? Where he doesn't need a visor and can fire at will and regulate the output.
>>81584006
Here he is doing just that >>81583798.
>>81583798
> cutting off the top
More like ravaging.
>>81584015
When did they stop having him do trickshots? I don't remember him doing wacky things recently.
>>81584041
No. None of his version can control power.
>>81583721
Well, they can't get through Wolverine's adamantium and if I remember correctly they didn't do squat against Cap's shield in AvX so that's a no go against vibranium too.
>>81584041
This happened during Whedon's run, when Emma telepathically helped him control his power.
>>81584041
Astonishing X-Men, Joss Whedon's run. His powers were temporarily suppressed, giving him control over his blasts for awhile.
Even if he did have control, he'd probably still use the visor because it gives him a lot of options in HOW he uses the blast by varying the focus of the lens.
For example here where he fires a pencil-thin beam and punches a hole effortlessly through Blob, who otherwise usually can't even by physically hurt.
>>81584073
>puh-lease, I don't shoot people
>HEADSHOT! 2x combo!
>>81584027
Sinister looks like Nick Cave there.
>>81584088
The joke is thatthey're not people.
>>81584088
They were actually not real at all.
They were psychic illusions and by shooting him he disrupted them long enough so that they could knock Emma out of commission, as she was brainwashed into crazy at the time.
>>81584090Same guy.
>>81584052
Dying was a pretty whacky thing
>>81584101
>>81584108
Yeah, I know. I read it.
>>81583934
except when there is
>>81584116
Well...I guess he does have people act as microscopic cogs in his catastrophic plans.
>>81584052
Well when every single writer tried to paint him as a villain and instead tried to make Wolverind into...well, him, they can't exactly have him do anything cool anymore, could they?
>>81584076
Man, WTF did Blob do here?
>>81584160
Surrendered after a second.
>>81584150
I miss Gillen.
>>81583988
Here we go. It's not THAT gross, desu.
>>81584183
>>81584189
>>81584183
Does Sinister have plans that DON'T involve cloning Cyclops and/or Jean Grey somehow?
>>81584198
>>81584198
>>81584199
Dude has his OTP and he's sticking to it.
>teammates backstab him
>Sinister creates him waifu
He should go full Marauder long time ago.
>>81584216
>>81584229
>>81584237
>>81584249
>>81584263
Fin.
>>81583757
>He was able to actually slow down World War Hulk that the Hulk had to struggle to reach him through the beam for a minute.
pic?
>>81584277
thanks bro, that was pretty funny. Maybe there is hope for Marvel
>>81584409
There's no hope, though. It's written by Gillen and he's doing only Star Wars these days.
>>81584397
It's less "for a minute" and more "for like two seconds".
But then, WW Hulk was pretty much the "Hulk rapes everyone" event anyway.
>>81584496
>STOP ME BEFORE I BREAK THE WORLD!!11!
Silly event.
And Humbug going from heroic dude to host of Brood eggs was... unexpected.
>>81584496
>Full power
>less effective than BB's whisper
>hulk beating the sorcerer supreme
Thanos tier wank
>>81584614
Yeah he beat strange by tricking him, is that so weird?
>>81584626
He fought him twice anon
>>81584638
And the first time he tricked him so that he could break his wrists, thus make him unable to cast magic.
>>81584626
>fooled him with the I was only pretending to hulk down
Might as well have said "hey look over there" and bonked him on the head
>>81584679
Strange has his ways anon
>>81583721
The energy is literally from a dimension of punches, so theoretically, assuming that dimension is as large as the one he's in, he should be able to eye beam the entire universe.
In practice however what would happen is his head would explode, or the power would bottleneck behind his eyes (since the Summers family are supposed to be immune to their own powers) or I guess the upper limit would be the point at which he's punching the air so hard he starts causing gamma ray bursts and destroys everything within a couple of light years.
>>81583841
If it did that, it wouldn't be dark matter any more because you'd be able to work out where it was.
>>81584025
>He has exactly ONE power that does exactly ONE thing, so he's gotten extremely efficient at using it.
He has 3 powers though, supermath, punches from the punch dimension, and immunity to the punch dimension (deadpool kills can go fuck itself)
>>81584701
Yes well you can out punch a wizard Who relies on magical punches
>>81584776
>tfw Cyclops is geometry teacher when writers ass themselves to show adults teaching
>>81583868
I remember that from X-Men Evolution.
Since this is a Cyclops thread, I want to ask.
What's makes the Jean + Scott so capable of Omega offsprings? I mean, Jean's side is obvious but Scott's power doesn't seem that amazing. Is not Energy manipulation, is just that a part of his body is connected to another dimension. Why isn't Sinister fixated with any other mutant with more flexible/powerful mutations?
>>81584874
Because genetics isn't 1+1 = 2, and because Sinister lucked into finding that their offspring would have power potential that suited his desires.
>>81584874
Breed with Cyclops and your kids will be strong. Ultimate Pokemon.
>>81583835
He should stargaze without his glasses.
>>81583937
For Cyclops and not his cloned eyeballs, his eyes won't burn out. His body absorbs ambient energy, that energy is used to open up portals in his eyes. When his body doesn't have enough energy his eyes won't shoot out optic blasts, but it doesn't take long for him to recharge.
Basically, Scott could pass for normal as long as he stayed out of the sun, didn't intentionally absorb electricity, and stay away from great sources of heat.
>>81585040
Basically, go Cavemanclops?
>>81584914
>Cyclops is a Ditto with perfect EVs and IVs
>>81584874
If I had to guess:
Cyclops has access to unlimited energy
Jean, in terms of raw power, is the most powerful psychic on Earth
With the exception of Rachel, every single alternate reality version of X-Man and Cable eventually burn-out if they aren't infected with the TO virus. Siphon and Ruby don't count because they aren't psychics.
>>81585319
>With the exception of Rachel
Phoenix hax.
>>81585099
He should just go to Weirdworld, they don't have a sun so he'd eventually wouldn't be able to access his optic blasts unless he was struck by lightning.
>>81585382
>unless he was struck by lightning.
With or without chemicals around?
And would he be on Weirdworld five years?
>>81585414
Without
And it'd take less than a week, maybe a day if he got in a fight and was firing off everywhere.
>>81584277
that was good
>>81584277
Sinister and the High Evolutionary should have a pissing contest over who more personifies science before Pym shows up and shits all over their day.
>>81585650
Intelligencia v2.0 ongoing when?
What happens if cyclops just lays on the ground and watches the sky for a day?
Without the glasses?
>>81585788
9/11.
>>81585788
his beam keeps fireing
>>81584874
His power used to be tied to sunlight. He was a massive battery that stored ALL the sunlight he'd been exposed to since birth and he had control over that till he got brain trauma. So the theory was combining Summers' power of energy storage with Grey's telekinesis is....I guess OP?
>>81585788
lots of dead birds, possibly a few downed planes, maybe even a satelite
beyond a certain height Earth's gravity will cause the beam to bend. Depending on the angle he's holding his head and his elevation, it might just shoot off into space at a weird angle, it might start orbiting the Earth, or it might come down in an arc somewhere else on the planet
>>81585826
And they keep going until they hit something?
>>81585958
>annexing Earth for Punch Dimension
>>81585965
yes
>>81584874
they are both physical conduits of power.
others merely manipulate various powers with their mind. They can do that, but also they can suffuse the energy through their whole body, and they can possess limitless energy.
It was said that the reason scott needs a visor is a psychological block, and i think it was implied at some point that Sinister might have done something else to limit him, but that plot point never came to fruition. Without that block he'd be like vulcan but more powerful.
Essentially they can absorb store and manipulate limitless amounts of energy and enhance their own bodies with it.
Also at the time mutants didn't have a gene called X that gave them powers, but had different mutations which gave different powers. In fact in Genosha they changed mutations to give people different powers according to what type of slaves they needed.
scott and jean had very powerful and stable mutations
>>81584626
He grabbed his astral form hands. You can't go any more bullshit than that.
Strange could and should have just teleported him with a mere thought to some empty realm until he calmed the fuck down.
>>81587077
Lots of Hulk problems could be solved with teleport.
How effective would his beam be against a heavy-hitter like Superman?
>>81587474
Nothing.
>>81587474
How does it compare to Superman's sun powered heat vision?
I'm not a huge fan of cyclops, he seems like a pretty great guy, what are his best moments and during what issues
Why was he such an ass during avengers v xmen
>>81587629
One is concussive force, the other is a laser.
>>81587629
One breaks bones, other pic related.
>>81587636
Everyone was ass during AvX.
>tfw writers forgot to put Phoenix Five trying to restore X-gene on panel
>>81587629
it lack's supe's penetration
>>81587419
strange is pretty much a hard counter to hulk.
as were all the heroes he fought during his tantrum.
honestly it's a wonder anyone tolerates banner.
>>81584076
In the same vein as this, there's some issue where he sets his visor to "wide" so that it vaporizes a field of poppies or something, I don't have a pic.
I remember back in the day that Sunfire's force field could defend against Scott's optic blast, but this was back in the day when it was linked to metabolizing solar energy. I wonder how well it can withstand Punch Dimension energy?
>>81587737
once you go clark you never go back
>>81588047
Better questions is, is there life in Punch Dimension? Will he empty Dimension, a la Green Lantern reservoirs?
>>81588119
I think there's limitless reserves in the Punch Dimension, but Scott can only process so much through his eyes.
>>81588306
I see. And I looked at wiki.
>The extra dimensional supply of energy for Cyclops's eye-blast is practically infinite.
>>81583934
Heat is kinetic energy, friendster.
The heat buildup in front of a landing module during reentry is caused by the air being compacted.
>>81583798
X-Factor, actually. The first X-Force were their bad guys and it confused people all the time.
>>81584041
In an old X-Men/Alpha Flight crossover, Cyclops was healed. His eyes looked normal, but now he had full control of his optic blasts and could generate them at will with no need for a visor to control them. Only lasted until the end of the crossover, though.
>>81584277
I kinda miss Kid Loki
.>>81584229
Okay, that is some fucking twisted shit right there. Is this what you do in your spare time, Doom?
>>81585965
They're always hitting something. It's unlikely they'd even leave the atmosphere.
>>81587629
Users of heat vision tend to kill people with dead center blasts
Cyclops can kill people too, but heat vision used against humans, unless used at a very low powerlevel, is generally fatal
>>81583798
This was when Jean's TK wasn't all that impressive, if she was able to keep a few tons off the crew it really isn't that impressive of a stunt for Cyke to blast it away.
There are better examples, this one ain't much.
>>81587636
Uncanny 175 is pretty good
>>81588109
>go bark
fixed that for you
>>81584776
I heard he had 360 degree vision too
>>81584041
Ultimate Cyclops got control at one point by dosing with mutant growth hormone and went full Superman. He could fly, generate protective shields, manifest blasts however and wherever he wanted, survive in space, the whole deal.
>>81584958
>>81585965
They should really do a story line in which aliens declare war on earth because one stray optic blast hit one of their leader's ships.
>>81597974
>for you it was moment you lost your beloved leader
>for me, it was glance at stars
>>81584874
Cyclops is the pinnacle of the mutant male. He can fuck any mutant female and their offspring would be omega level mutants. I'm just surprised being such a perfect male specimen they didn't make his main timeline character black.
>>81598173
>I'm just surprised being such a perfect male specimen they didn't make his main timeline character black.
There is black Cyclops, though. Banged Dazzler in X-treme X-Men and was forgotten.
>>81598225
I said the main timeline you illiterate fuck. 616 or whatever you nerd cucks call it.
Why don't Scott just bean his enemies into the sun? Apcoylpe is at it again, beamed into the sun. Logan is talking shit again, beamed into the sun. Cap think he is righter than me, beamed into the sun. Marvel editors trying to fuck up my groove, beamed into the sun.
>>81598456
I'm not expert but from what I've read in this thread. It would take like 30 cyclops to beem somebody into the sun.
>>81598456
Because in modern comics Cyclops is a plot device not a character.
>>81598558
>BEHOLD
>>81597974
>My vision for mutantkind sees even to the end of tyranny on other planets.
>>81583803
>>81583798
See this is my big issue with Cyclops. He does this shit all the time and then somehow has the nerve to get pissy when people are scared of him.
You can't have the x-men be unto gods and then turn around and think the "hated becase they're different" shit is gonna have any weight.
>Cyclops is a leader of mutants who has powers so strong and uncontrollable he cannot look normally; he is fanatical about the defense of his people
>Black Bolt is a leader of inhumans who has powers so strong and uncontrollable he cannot speak normally; he is fanatical about the defense of his people
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
THIS... RIVALRY OF MUTANTS AND INHUMANS! THE $$$ AND THE TIME, THE PEOPLE, THAT ARE SPENT TO FUND THE MUTANT-INHUMAN INFIGHTING! THIS IS HOW THEY KEEP YOU UNDER CONTROL!
>>81599212
Cyclops doesn't get pissy when people are scared of him, he gets pissy when people try to imprison and kill mutants.
>You can't have the x-men be unto gods and then turn around and think the "hated becase they're different" shit is gonna have any weight.
Yes you can. This is a world of superheroes.
>>81599141
>My vision
There also needs to be some alternate universe version of cyclops that's all puns.
>>81583721
In my headcanon it's unlimited, but sometimes it's hard for him to calculate exactly how much he should release to accomplish task and not ravage everything.
It heavily depends on how much writer hates him, because for people it's easy to believe that "well, he has just canons in his eyes, easy pickings" for some reason.
>>81599768
>headcanon
>>81585788
After 15 minutes he'd have to stop for a bit because of the strain or he'd risk injury.
>>81599267
Oh piss off. Every word out of his mouth lately has been a war on humanity. every mutant that doesn't want their powers is a coward or not as enlightened as the x-men. He went to war because his so called race wasn't the dominant species and forced mutation on thousands of people without consulting anyone.
Humans so much as entertain the idea of building a defense against evil mutants and he's sending people to shut them down
>>81599818
Well, at least you don't call it out on being stupid.
There will never be an x-men fps in which cyclops rocket jumps.
>>81584216
>both sinister and loki are scared of Doom
Is there anyone in the marvelverse that isnt scared of Doom? Not like "hurr this guy's powerlevel is higher than doom so he's not scared of him" but more like someone who can barged into his castle uninvited, shit on his throne, leave, and not worry about doom's wrath for the remainder of the series
>>81600502
Does his beam cause recoil?
>>81600020
Humans are not the ones who need to be protected. What have come of all the previous defenses against mutants?
I'm not like, buying into Cyclops' line of thought but it's an entirely believable one which has been demonstrates IRL on equivalent issues in the past.
>>81583937
goddam I've never seen that page and now i need too
>>81584025
some books have claimed his spatial recognition is another power or part of it.
>>81601511
Literally just look at the responses and follow the comment chain, brotendo.
It's right there.
Obligatory.
>>81587636
That time he told Loki to shove off.
>>81601779
Why is he suddenly in control?
Why is he telepathic?
>>81601097
no but it wouldn't stop someone from writing it in like greg rucka did. if there was recoil, neck would snap like a twig.
>>81602056
temporary side effect of being put into a telepathic coma
and emma is linking everyone telepathically together, even shut off his pain receptors as he was tortured
>>81601779
>wolverine casually backing up to a fountain of punchforce, like he's cleaning his ass with a bidet
>>81601412
>Humans are not the ones who need to be protected.
Bull and Shit. Every other tuesday someone like Magneto or Apocalypse is trying to wipe out humanity and both have leveled entire cities.
>>81583721
Wasn't the lore that at max power his blasts could warp adamantium? Not penetrate it, but mangle it up real good.
