Where did everything go so wrong?
>>81554169
At the panda village.
>>81554169
It was made by Dreamworks, that's where it usually starts
>>81554169
Nowhere? It was pretty good.
If Angelina Jolie dies, who would you like to be the new VA for Tigress.
>>81554169
you are joking right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d40rctG7Lko&nohtml5=False
>>81554169
When the final fight was anticlimactic. If the final battle between Po and Kai had been really epic, it would have redeemed any problems I had with the movie prior. As is the movie is still pretty good, but easily the weakest of the three.
>>81554169
It was honestly good desu
>>81555591
Why her of all the people?
>>81554169
>Kung Fu Panda 3
>Po's two dads get ''married''
>adopt Po
>turns out Po is gay too
>has to help him fight prejudice in the dojo
>muh evil bigots
>muh oppression
>two hours of literal gay furry porn
worst movie I've ever seen
>>81554169
Didn't really. But they do need to reel back the Deus-Ex-chosen-one shit. Getting real old seeing Po breeze by all this shit.
Like, I get he's unassumingly talented; but when did he become Oriental Jesus?
>>81555659
The whole franchise is OK at best.
theres no way they can top the villain from two
>>81554169
If you make a trilogy you need to not make the main character peak at the end of the second film both emotionally and physically. Honestly just leaving the last scene with his father out of the second film would have been a perfect ending to the story. Tbf though the third is a pretty ok film considering this, there were some really nice emotional moments and the film is absolutely gorgeous as far as color and design goes but it just didn't add anything of interest unlike the second film which is genuinely GOAT and one of the best sequels to a film I've seen.
>>81555909
>Implying two isn't one of the best animated film in the last few years.
>>81555909
KFP 2 is like Shrek 2. Peak of its series.
>>81554272
Smug asshole, I hope you get what you deserve.
>>81556150
No, it really isn't, not even in the top ten. And I'm being generous by interpreting "few" as the last 2-3 years.
>>81554169
Shen didn't win in the second film.
>>81557656
What other movies were better?
>>81555718
what the fuck that happened?
>>81555997
It's been said before but if they were going to go with the spiritual warrior angle, an evil oogway or shifu clone would have been much better and would have rounded out the muscle/brains/spirit trilogy nicely. They could have kept the movie as is, I would have bought into the 'po has to teach his village how to fight' angle a lot better if they drew more parallels to the first movie and po's growth from unteachable to a teacher in his own right in the face of a villainous teacher figure, instead of just focusing on the 'comedy' of fat pandas so much. Plus, I'd much rather see something like a decrepit old man suddenly unleashing his nerve attacks then fat kratos dicking around with chain blades that he can't use because G rating.
People complained that 2 was more edgy so they made 3 more silly in response.
>>81561595
>People complained that 2 was more edgy
Who the fuck said that?
>Artbook arrived today
It's so fucking gorgeous. Reading it made obvious they had a lot of different versions of the movie that didn't make the cut before arriving at the current one. Hell, like half of the stuff in this book isn't even used in the final film.
Fun fact: Kai originally had 4 arms.
>>81555718
>two hours of literal gay furry porn
Fucking sold.
>>81555718
It would be if it was actually true.
>>81555591
Tara Strong voices her in the TV series and does a pretty nice job.
>>81558926
No, it's a copypasta. I've seen it posted at least ten times now.
>>81554169
It went wrong when pandas existed.
>>81562577
But it would be two hours of disgusting fat fetish porn.If was was Shen and Boss Wolf it would be great
>>81566297
>If was was Shen and Boss Wolf it would be great
tfw their relationship was fleshed out more in previous versions but they left it out because it made Shen too sympathetic.
The movie was alright at best- not terrible but not as fantastic as the previous movies. The other two movies had a good mix of comedy, action, and character driven drama, where the third movie had a double heaping helping of comedy and only a half portion of the comedy and drama. Kai never really got a chance to develop or shine as a villain, and he really suffered from being sort of passed over in favor of more comedy, and spent most of the movie being belittled.
>>81562185
I'd love to have a look through that. Its always interesting to see what ideas were tossed around and played with in the development of stuff. Like the fact that in the original plan for Kung Fu Panda Po was going to be a bully and learned humility and discovering a worthwhile purpose in kung fu. No one other than Jack Black himself read the script and suggested the shift of tone and character.
>>81566562
>making a villain too sympathetic is a problem
why
that's what makes it FUN and interesting
>>81566562
It would have made for a much better film than the still great one we got.
KFP3 should have been about Shen conquering and uniting China after killing Po at the end of KFP2.
>>81566916
What about Po being defeated but not killed?
Shen wins and sends the Five running while Po appears dead but instead winds up at the soothsayer's hut. You get to keep Shen as the villain for another movie and allow him more time to grow and change, Po gets a taste of some real defeat, and the next movie promises even greater battles that are more personal, now that Po has a true nemesis.
any body know how did that special Chinese version DreamWorks did turned out?
>>81566913
>that's what makes it FUN and interesting
It may have also been a time thing because he was still pretty sympathetic as is, they may have felt they didn't have time to add it and make it work.
>>81555639
>furry Kratos
Is there a decent rip of this anywhere yet?
>>81569464
.....what?
>>81566857
Agreed - not bad, but not great. I enjoyed it, but came out of the film with some issues.
- Panda Village was slapstick overload, and they had to take the time for a single character's development and spread it across about a dozen pandas.
- Kai zapping masters and turning them into jade in 3 seconds isn't terribly impressive to look at.
- Po's character went through a lot of highs but very few meaningful lows. Sure, his grand plan failed at the end, but he managed to figure out another in like 10 seconds.
>>81556150
It still has flaws, the combat action sequence wasn't as great as the first one, a lot of shoehorned comedy that sometimes ruined dark moments, and the new characters beside Shen wasn't that engaging. But I applaude they really gave depth to Po's character and his backstory. Heck, the music score was the best of the three
>>81568744
There's already web-dl version
>>81568744
Yes, there's a 1080p torrent on pirate bay.
>>81564757
That's Kari Wahlgren. Not Tara
>>81570012
>It still has flaws,
So do most films.
>the combat action sequence wasn't as great as the first one
Personally I thought they were better honestly, they were more varied IMO and Shen's fighting style was really interesting to watch.
>a lot of shoehorned comedy that sometimes ruined dark moments
Yeah I agree this was probably one of my only issues with the film
>Heck, the music score was the best of the three
This, Also I'd add that the varied use of different animation styles throughout gave the film a really distinct feel. The Panda village scene with the mix of 2D and 3D animation and that excellent score may very well be my favorite scene in any animated film.
>>81566857
>Kai never really got a chance to develop or shine as a villain, and he really suffered from being sort of passed over in favor of more comedy, and spent most of the movie being belittled.
It's a real shame as well since the few minutes where he's pretty good whenever he actually gets some time to himself. That exchange where he gets actually delighted by Po knowing who he is really makes me wish that they'd done more with the character along those lines.
Plus the "superstrong character gets befuddled by Po's antics" has been done over and over again; I kinda wish that they'd made Kai a direct evil counterpart to Po; just as big of a doofus in basic personality but completely unethical.
>>81554169
When they moved the animation house from USA to China.
I hoped that KFP 3 bombed hard enough to make everyone come home.
>>81557656
*insert MacReady scene before he fries the head-crab thing*
>>81561595
Those people seriously need to die.
>>81554169
Kai killed like zero people. He was an absolute joke of a villain as well as being half-naked.
Nothing?
>>81555865
>but when did he become Oriental Jesus?
in the first movie?
>>81562102
American mothers
>>81561595
Is that what the Chinese thought of Kung Fu Panda 2?
>>81573721
Actually he single handedly murdered thousands. Don't fool yourself: if not for the whole "giving chi" thing, everyone turned into a "jombie" is almost explicitly dead.
>>81574092
The whole point of the first movie is that he wasn't Oriental Jesus, he was just a guy who should embrace himself and be okay with who he is. Granted, he was the only one who could beat Tai Lung, but that wasn't because he was intrinsically better then anybody but because unlike shifu and the furious five, his soft style happened to be a direct counter to Tai Lung's hard style, thus reinforcing the 'it's okay to be yourself' message.
>>81574249
>his soft style happened to be a direct counter to Tai Lung's hard style
you should seriously rewatch that movie, because i think your headcanon influenced your memory of that movie.
Not only was that just a TINY advantage of the fight for Po, but also he trained for like, what, a week or a month seriously? Then he beat someone who trained for DECADES. It doesn't matter if your style is a direct counter to the other, you just can't do that.
>>81574249
>his soft style happened to be a direct counter to Tai Lung's hard style
Something I like about the series is that Po is consistently weak against counterattacks. Like he's good at countering, but he has almost no outs if he screws up a punch. It's how Tigress keeps beating him. She just waits for him to attack and wears him down through countering since he has really low stamina.
>>81574560
It was a pretty major advantage. It wasn't that he beat Tai Lung, it's that every time Tai Lung punched him, he took the punch without a hitch and momentum made him punch back, like that wobbly doll at the beginning of the film. That's a pretty major advantage, when your opponent can't hurt you and just ends up hurting himself.
Po's entire actual offense amounted to slapping him, grabbing his tail, and then doing the wushi fingerhold.
>>81554169
It should've been longer.
And the villain was really fun, but not as developed as the previous two.
Also, January release.
>>81574249
you have no idea how the mystical journey works in Eastern philosophy right
This movie has some of the most *beautiful* scenes I've ever seen in an animated movie. The use of color, the stylizations, the scenes which match the music with the animation...there are parts of the movie that are honest-to-God works of art that has nothing to do with traditional 3D animation and something wholly unique to this movie.
Too bad the writing was absolute shit.
>>81574820
>>81574707
>>81574677
>>81574560
I look at these films as a vehicle for delivering a positive message to kids about being yourself and how you're at your strongest when you're not pretending to be something you're not. Hence why Po was the Dragon Warrior, because he -is- just a regular guy who's only real ability is to be himself.
It's not the greatest trilogy of all time, but, in terms of feel good family flicks it stays on message while still being fun; with light-hearted humor and the occasional serious moment.
>>81575749
>Too bad the writing was absolute shit.
I thought it was pretty okay and funny most of the time 2bh.
>>81575749
>Too bad the writing was absolute shit.
Bit harsh, there was that really lovely scene where Po and his dad talk about his mother (which thinking about it was probably as good as it was because it was referencing the second film).
>>81575811
you do realize that despite that the whole movie has eastern philosophies embedded in them right
in fact it's why I'm surprised KFP trilogy managed to exist, since usually Western studios tend to fall flat on "Eastern philosophies"
>>81576137
>>81576605
never understood how the writing "falls flat" either
maybe because there's this looming idea that "cartoons must always be somber and emotional to be good!"
>>81578411
>you do realize that despite that the whole movie has eastern philosophies embedded in them right
Yes, but that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
>>81578682
I was just wondering why you quoted me >>81574820
The movie was pretty good. When Po returns from the Spirit Realm... man, that scene gave me goosebumps. It was beyond beautiful.
About the story, well, I enjoyed having some good laughs. Compared to the first two movies it was kinda disappointing, I mean, Po is told that he doesn't know who he is, and that was supposed to be resolved in the second movie, right? But then I guess the point it was that what does mean to be the Dragon Warrior... I don't know. Also, Kai was a mediocre villain, I mean, he was Oogway best friend ever in his life that carried him to a Pandas' Village to heal him but then, HE WANTED ALL THAT POWER, really??? C'mon Dreamworks, you can do better. After Tai Long looking for vengeance and all hating on Master Shifu and Shen being a psycho and commiting genocide... there's this guy who just wanted all that power and stuff and can control actual Kund Fu Masters turned into jade that are defeated easily... ugh.
>>81578951
Kai was meant to be more of a comedic villain, and he strikes me more as those typical final boss martial artist in Jackie's old films (like that bald guy in a temple who is the final boss in a boss rush).
I actually liked how they handled the DW bit. Even before 1 and 2, they never really answered what it meant to be one - we were just told he is one.
>>81579031
Yes, and I liked that, I guess Po finds out it's not has to be a literal answer but it is all what implies to be the Dragon Warrior when he says he's the son of a Goose, a Panda, a student and a Master (not sure if that was the word used in English, sorry).
The movie is in no way a failure. It's a 7/10 at worse. Some of the main flaws I noted are that Kai's motivations are kinda weak and his back story barebones, leaving his personality feeling a bit one note, the lack of standard quality fight scenes, the 5 being useless again, and minimizing serious themes for comedic ones.
2>3>1
I'd say Dreamworks is 3 for 3. There aren't many movies that can maintain that level of quality. I'm looking forward to the 4th iteration. What I'd like to see is a even larger presence from the villain. Shen's army wasn't bad, but I feel we should go bigger than that, even. I want the 5 and Po to go to war. And Po needs to lose something. He's done nothing but gain things the past 3 movies.
>>81579031
Strangely enough, despite being pretty two-dimensional, I didn't mind Kai at all.
Maybe it's because I like JK Simmons, or that Kai was just the right mixture between irredeemable antagonist and action set-piece which made him alright.
>>81579451
Glad I'm not the only one who thought 3 was better than 1.
>>81554169
They blew their creative load on 2
>>81579635
And yet 3 still has creative and ingenious moments
looking back, it's 1 that didn't have any
Kai's theme was pretty baller
The scene with him swaggering out of some fog with his swords swinging was rather atmospheric
Some more scenes like that with a little less comedy woulda really upped the factors here
Also are Po and Tigress friendzoned or fucking what? If you aren't going to settle it one way or the other I demand that they pair her with Viper
>>81554169
>needless movie/video game sequels nobody asked for
>reboots to cartoons that should've never existed
What did I do in the past life to deserve living in such a shitty time?
For me it was the lack of any good action scenes. 1 had great scenes with Tai Lung escaping prison, his fight with the furious five, Po's training, and then the final fight. 2 had the rickshaw chase, factory fight, and that fucking amazing zen ball ending. 3 lacked good fight scenes, not even the final fight between Po and Kai was very satisfying, but that may be due to a lack of good build up or something.
All in all not a bad movie really, but 2 is by far a better film in almost every aspect.
>>81579679
>that prison escape
>that bridge fight
>shifu-po dumpling fight
>tai lung vs shifu
>po vs tai lung
oh please, the third one barely pull any interesting choreography in fight scenes, just spirit bullshit
>>81580466
those are great fights, but not creative scenes
the whole Kai fights in and out of spirit world were great, as well as the jade zombies
it's just that we didn't have as much fights, but are you telling me the visual flair of the spirit world, the whole transition to 2d, and the finger hold finally not being bullshit are not creative?
Yeah, about that finger hold. 1 was so good but that part ruined it because it was out of the blue. This one was perfect because it was set up, and the way it was handled was masterful. Don't want to give details because spoilers, but that finger hold moment was amazing.
It's the weakest, but definitely not a Shrek 3 or Spiderman 3 level downgrade. I'd argue it's the Return of the Jedi of the franchise.
