What is this from?
>>81542506
Batman. Death of the Family, specifically when Bruce went full retard and thought Joker wouldn't use knowledge of his secret identity to go after him.
>>81542506
And this is one of the few times Snyder laid a finger on Damian
Bats sure needs a coffee... daaaaamn
>>81542506
Hey guys, I fixed the Batfamily, you're welcome
>>81542648
Can you blame him?Bat-Family's big enough you should be able to tell whatever story you feel like with the characters you actually like and ignore the ones you don't.
>>81542728
Best Batfamily has only Bruce and Alfred, though.
>>81542766
Well he's the one that decided to add Duke and fan favorite Harper Row to this bloated shit.
>>81542800
Oh, right. Never mind.
>>81542767
Dick predates Alfred
Bruce
Jim
Dick
Alfred
Barbara
Nice chin Damien
>>81542767
Is not.
The whole point of the batfamily was to show different points in bruce's life.
That's why new52 batman is shit, it got rid of that and now introduces duke without meaning anything.
>bruce+alfred = young batman, noir, vs the mafia, mostly crimefighter, inexperienced, supernatural enemies, satanic shit. psycos
>Bruce+dick+alfred = Crazy shit, Adventures, Superhero stuff, friendships with other heroes, rebirth of gotham, supervillians, bruce see himself as a big brother.
>Bruce+jason+barbara+alfred= rebirth of mafia bosses, the joker has gone really crazy, endless circle of violence, Bruce isnt winning the fight anymore, gets farther away from the league, lots of Martial arts, Bruce's past is coming back, global threats.
>Bruce+alfred+distant dick= Dark times, dark supervillians, no league, really lonely and violent batman, failing, getting weaker
>Bruce+dick+tim+alfred = Global adventures, even crazier enemies, Batman is happy again, Gotham is getting safer, friends outside gotham, lots of antagonists with cruel pasts, not really bad, lots of misteries
>broken bruce+Azrael+dick+tim+alfred = redention stories, Anti-Batman enemies, the city fight back, the family gets closer after troubles, Bruce reaches maturity and start to realize he is a father figure. Lots of allies. More superpowers, more crazy stuff.
>Bruce+dick+tim+oracle+alfred+cass
Bruce and the family can overcome everything, the city is theirs, even if the city goes down, even if bruce wants to be alone, they survive. Bruce not only see himself as a parent, he actually tries to be a good parent for cass, and learn how to actually demostrate love
>>81542506
Bruce looks 17 in this picture. I don't know why everyone is constantly sucking Capullo's dick.
>>81542506
>Dick is only 5'10"
>Tim is barely up to his shoulders
Jesus Christ how short is he?
>>81542888
Bruce
Jim
Dick
Alfred
Helena
Kathy
Bette
Lucius
Barbara
Jason
Harvey
Tim
Steph
JP
Leslie
Renee
Quasimodo
Cass
Kate
Damian
Harper
Duke
>>81543226
5'5"
>>81542767
I respect your right to have a wrong opinion
>>81543280
I'm sad that Jason and Tim are short.
>>81543269
A lot of those are Bat-Family members, just reoccurring characters.
>>81543312
why
>>81543322
They included Jim, so I included important recurrings.
>>81542506
I love Capullo's art, but I have to say that he makes Bruce look really young. He looks like he could be the same age as Dick on this page.
>>81543312
>>81543226
Jason is the tallest, he is 5'11
That's why Damian will be the next Batman, Bruce wasted his time, he only cared about his robins looking like little clones of him. But forgot that they could be manlets.
>>81543547
He is like 32
>>81543599
Fuck, I hate hard timelines and ages on characters.
>>81543706
When he was 40 and superman around 39 they were perfect, fuck new52.
They ages were fine.
>>81543599
Cant be. He should be in his Early 40s since he raised 3 kids ( Dick, Tim and Jason)
>>81543819
They screwed up the timeline BAD with the New 52, man. Supposedly he's only been Batman for 5 years, you believe that shit?
>>81543599
So he got Talia pregnant when he was 18?
>>81543547
doesn't getting rezz'd by a lazarus pit eliminate all signs of old age and basically make you 28 again?
>>81543150
Whoa you gotta stop dude. You're making it look like /co/ reads comics or something
>>81543843
Actually 7. Zero Year was a year before JL, JL five years before Tec #1, and DotF 1 year after Tec
>>81543843
That doesnt make anysense considering the ages of the kids and the relationships he has with the other people
>>81543992
Yeah, no shit. But they said Justice League #1 was five years ago, still early-career, and that was before any Robins or meeting Superman!
>>81543819
He was in Morrison's run.
2 years alone, 5 years with dick, 2 years with Jason, 4 years with tim including one year later, the events of the morrison saga, and then one year dead and batman inc.
There was no problem with him being that old. After all he used the lazarus pit and cameback from death in a memebody.
>>81544027
He got Lazarused when near death in a 1992 story anyway, you don't even need to think it de-aged him, just kept him aging slower. No fuss, no muss.
>>81544018
>>81543992
Johns just went full retarded, and made wonder woman 5000 years old in the darkside war special.
JL needs to be ignored. And yes the new Batman shit is terrible, the problem is that the batfamily was actually a family that grew in a pretty natural way (something other families didnt had the chance). It was one of the best things about the batbooks.
>>81544027
>4 years with tim
Even pre-flashpoint it felt hard to justify cramming all the events of Knightfall, NML, and everything else into that timespan.
>>81544141
At least they more or less got to keep Batman's characterization, even if his timeline and relationships didn't make sense. Did you see what happened to Superman?
>>81544158
That's why you shouldn't try. It happened "years ago" or "some time ago" and that's good enough for me.
>>81544127
>>81544127
>He got Lazarused when near death in a 1992 story anyway
Yeah and in death and the maidens or return of ra's i can't remember but that's 2 times.
>>81543173
Because Capullo makes everyone want to suck Bruce's dick.
>>81544185
See? It's like Magneto, he's been involved in so much shit, this is what happens, you age weird.
>>81544141
I used to LOVE Batman because of the family and how it made sense. A loner like Batman had 6ish people under him that loved him like a father. It added to it, but now 5 years of being batman just makes it weird
>>81544141
>made wonder woman 5000 years old in the darkside war special
Good
Better than 23 like Azz said
>>81544238
It was great, with Legends of the Dark Knight we had year 1-2 stories (or any given time) with a lonely rookie batman, crazy Batgod stuff in the league, detective stuff in Detective comics and Family stuff in Batman. It was all really rounded up, everyone had their favorite interpretation of the character and yet they were all faithful to the character. In the last few years all was lost, i actually liked most of the snyder stuff but i have no idea if batman is really capable or a total idiot and eternal felt like a total waste.
>>81544343
Sure, pretty good, especially when the idiot of johns had the espectacular idea of using ROMANS as enemies in the issue. That fucking retard needs to open a book without pictures.
>>81544509
I don't wanna talk shit about him because he seems like such a nice guy, but yeah, everything he writes reads like it's inspired by another comic book and he knows very little about the real world that hasn't been explained to him through the medium of comics.
>>81544606
He is a hardcore sci fic guy. He would be perfect for a Star Trek movie, comics like LOSH, GL, and Superman are great fits for him.
>>81544806
I just want him to try reading, I don't know, historical fiction, maybe some biographies, an analysis of the French Revolution. Shit, even a sports story. There's so much you can learn from other kinds of literature that can apply to speculative fiction.
>>81543269
Wait, Helena before Kathy/Bette? That seems wrong. Helena was Earth 2, and Kathy/Bette were from the 50s, weren't they?
>>81544158
>Year One - Knightfall/NML
>Year two - Fugitive/Hush
>Year three - Infinite/Identity Crisis/52
>Year four - 52/R.I.P./Final Crisis
>>81546483
>Knightfall and No Man's Land happen in the same year
>Even though each story arc took longer than a year in-universe
Fuuuuck that.
>>81546483
>>81543819
>>81543769
>>81543599
>>81543547
Everything else about BvS aside, I think they gave Bruce an appropriate age and Affleck's age was good for it.
I just came to this thread to say that Jason is my husbando and no matter how much DC hates him and no matter how many edgy sperglords try to ruin him I will remain true to him forever
>>81547199
Good anon
>>81543150
So bats is like 70, right?
>>81547616
76 or 77 I think
>>81544806
The problem there is that he's both a hardcore sci-fi guy and obsessed with the silver age and continuity. Works in some cases, gives you a well-written but totally out of place mess of a comic in other cases, like that one time he wrote LoSH.
Bruce new family is now Harper and duke..
>>81542800
i hope Duke and fan favorite Harper Row die.
>>81542648
I've Never Hated Anything The Way I Hate Snyder's 'Batman . I don't like his Batman run because he makes Batman too hypocritical in it.
>>81548174
I don't like his work for a number of reasons.
>>81542728
>>81548174
>I've Never Hated Anything The Way I Hate Snyder's 'Batman
>by Panic! At the Disco
>>81542506
It annoys me that Bruce look barely older than Nightwing and Red Hood.
>>81547199
People don't know true suffering until you become a Jasonfag due to an animated movie, only to realise DC found something worse than death for the character.
>5+ years under Scott Lobdell
>>81548115
Tbh I think Duke can be a salvagable character. If anything to maybe have a Robin that doesn't look like an exact clone of Bruce. It's why I like Jason with the Al Ghul streak in his hair and Damian slightly darker and/or with green eyes.
>>81548555
Anon at least he's tolerable under anyone else.
>>81548538
we appear to be trapped in an eternal recurrence of time
>>81548561
Duke isn't gonna be a Robin though, he's gonna be some new codename like The Auditor or whatever
>>81548561
>Tbh I think Duke can be a salvagable character.
No, there0s nothing good about the character. His entire thing is "being black"
>If anything to maybe have a Robin that doesn't look like an exact clone of Bruce
That isnt a good thing. Duke being Robin hurts the robin title, the difference with steph is that they will force themselves into push Duke for years, even in the character faisl (like cyborg on the league) you can't get rid of it due his race.
>>81543567
How tall is Bruce himself? I thought him and Jason were about the same height.
>>81542728
But that's not Bruce, Dick, Barbara and Alfred.
>>81543769
Yeah, this. If they're keeping the Nu52 timeline in Rebirth, then Supes will be the oldest member of the Trinity, maybe the whole JL, since they're apparently using pre-Flashpoint Superman for team books.
>>81549145
Bruce is 1.86mt-1.89mt Jason is just 1.80mt
>>81542800
I really don't get his logic. "I won't write Damian because he's the same age as my son, but I'm okay with ruining the lives of Cass, who's a couple of years older, and Harper and Duke, who are underage as well".
>>81549145
Honestly I wouldn't bother with comic heights if I were you, they change as the story needs or how the artist wants. If the Robins are actually together they just tend to do the height by their age with Dick being the tallest, then Jason etc.
>>81548555
>Jason will never be as strong and tall as Bruce
>Jason will never be as charismatic and flexible as Dick
>Jason will never be as smart as Tim
>Jason will never have daddy' try to do everything in his power to bring him back from the dead like Damian
>Jason will always have to live off of Bruce and Dick's sloppy seconds
>Jason will always be known as the Robin that died
>Jason will always be known as the worst Robin
>Jason will always be Lobdell's containment
Being Jason is suffering
>>81549250
Seeing the Batfamily makes me want to buy it but I know this is just going to be Batman Eternal 3
>>81544195
Daddy Bruce is hnnng
>>81548561
Eh, he's redundant. There's nothing unique about his personality and he even got the complimentary "muh parents" backstory.
I get they wanted to add more diversity to the book, but why the fuck don't they use existing characters for that? Luke Fox desreves so much better than being an accessory to Babs. And what about David Zavimbe? Heck, they could've given David a kid Damian's age.
>>81549290
>but I know this is just going to be Batman Eternal
why do you say that?
>>81549367
Oh how I can't wait for the shit posting to start when Bluebird returns.
>>81549339
Bruce had an adopted half retarded Asian girl, why isnt that considered Diversity?
>>81549516
It's not like Cass has had anything good in the last few years.
>>81549532
That's why i'm saying, she was sided away, why not bring her back?
Asian, female, retarded and fapbait. She bring way more to the table than Duke.
>>81549563
Well tumblr still consider Asians as privileged since they give zero fucks about their social justice.
>>81549516
Not American so could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it only counts as diversity if the character is black or gay, though white gay doesn't count for as much as it used to.
>>81549226
An Asian, a black guy and a girl are expendable?
>>81549603
It's the same with damian. He was multiracial and extremely multicultural and even a vegan. But they started painting him brown. When ra's was clearly a pretty pale guy like pic related. Tumblr cares more about the skin color than about anything else. For me it feels cheap, i want more diversity in comics, but no gimmicks. Damian now looks like a stereotype instead of show the diversity of his heritage.
>>81549765
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't apart of that crowd. Though I was honestly happy with artists just giving him green eyes like Talia because it'd be nice if the Robins had some physical differences other than height.
>>81549266
I'd argue he's probably the most popular these days.
>>81549811
I'd argue it's Dick>Jason for the most part since he's been around the longest and is the go to Robin for the cartoons.
>>81542648
You mean made Morrison's little Mary Sue bearable?
>>81549603
There are many disagreements between far-left fuckheads about whether asians are privileged or not
Tim Wise, privilege scholar, claims that asians aren't privileged because they only make more money because they are less likely to divorce and also because they spend money taking care of elderly relatives and living in urban gentrified areas and sending their kids to private schools
>>81549765
Afghans have passing privilege, as do other white-looking middle easterners
>>81549843
I'm not saying I agree with it, Dick is my favourite Robin out the bunch.
But nearly all cartoons adaptations of DickRobin are just blatantly Tim.
Then you have all the publicity Jason has been getting with Arkham Knight and his costume in BvS and we're almost definitely gonna either see him or at least referenced to in Suicide Squad... as well as that awful theory that Leto's Joker is Jason.
>>81549892
I doubt Leto is Jason.
>>81549794
I love the Green eyes. It was a really good choice. I also like that he has a more rounded head and slanty eyes. I just believe that thinking being part middle eastern measn he sould be dark skinned is a dumb stereotype, Gotham isnt a good place to get a tan.
>>81549516
The diversity thing is a trap. If the companies don't include diverse characters, they get a lot of schlack, which starts with a couple of swjs on twitter and spreads to liberal media.
The thing is, with that sort of practice around, books that are actually diverse from the start get overlooked - there's no scandal to be found there, so they get no attention, not from swjs, not from the media.
>>81549955
That's why duke is a really problematic character, they won't be abble to get rid of him if he fails or they will be called racist. I would had liked more Batman of Japan, Gaucho, Batman of africa, nightrunner. Etc. But Duke? nah.
>>81550045
>Batman of africa
Didn't his run bomb?
>>81550045
Sure they will, give it a year or so. Especially if he's not Robin and has some other alias.
Although to be honest, I'm sure King will be able to write him as a compelling character, so I doubt it'd be a failure, I just wish he spent his energy on characters readers love that got shafted by DC.
>>81544027
>2 years with Jason
Jason was 12 when he met batman and died when he was just four months away from being 16.
No way it's just two years.
>>81547199
>how much DC hates him
I honestly don't think DC hate him because if they did, he wouldn't have got his own book.
>>81550376
He wasnt 12 at least you are thinking of the animated movie were tim doesnt exist.
He was older than Dick when he started, the whole point of his black hair (he was a ginger) was that he could pass as robin, grown up 18 years old robin. He was 15-16.
>>81550420
Yes, he was. Go read Batman second chances.
>(he was ginger)
He wasn't. He actually has a black hair.
Pre-crisis Jason had a strawberry blond hair and it was changed to black because Jason wanted to.
Him being ginger and batman forcing him to change it to black was Morrison's thing that got ignored by every other writers.
>>81547455
>>81547199
Zac Effron as Jason Todd please god
>>81549266
Welcome to the club my man. Everything always be disappointment whenever Jason related.
Also add
>Most people hates him, comic and reader wise.
>>81542767
I agree with this usually. I like Nightwing though.
>>81549266
>he will never be as strong and tall as Bruce
He is pretty strong guy and almost as tall as Bruce.
>he will never be as charismatic and flexible as Dick
Why he has to be as charismatic and flexible as Dick?
>he will always be known as the Robin that died
What's wrong with that? He is the Robin who died.
>he will always be known as the worst Robin
With so many Robins running around, him being the one who failed actually make him unique.
>he will always be Lobdell's containment
It's still better than being written by Tynion and Daniel.
>>81551390
>>he will never be as strong and tall as Bruce
>He is pretty strong guy and almost as tall as Bruce.
Bruce can lift a ton.
Jason can hardly lift a third of that
>>81551438
That may be the most characterfag statement I've ever read.
>MY GUY CAN LIFT MORE GODDAMMIT!
>>81549145
Jason is 6' 225lbs, Bruce is 6'2 210lbs, going off the wiki, Dick is 5'10 175lbs.
Not sure if that's counting all the gear he probably carries/wears compared to the others.
But basically he should be making all the rest but Bats look tiny in comparison, even wears a helmet where they all wear seemingly form fitting masks/cowls.
>>81551610
the post was about how Jason not being as strong as bruce for fucks sake, the point is that he isnt anywhere near close to bruce. The only one that will EVENTUALLY a physical match to bruce is damian.
>>81551438
Dare I ask how Bruce can lift a ton?
I get the impression Bats is less and less interesting as time goes by, perhaps some degradation of nostalgia or something?
>>81549250
why is Batwoman so short?
>>81551929
He is peak human. The limitations of fictional characters are different than the limitations of the real human body.
Are you gonna ask why Superman can fly and why crabs sing?
>>81551988
>peak human
Right, that's why he sounds like such a shitty character, or is it just the fanbase that he spawns?
>>81549250
I'm pretty sure Batwoman is the same height as Dick.
>>81552019
umad?ujelly?usalty?
But no seriously do you actually not like Batman or are you just one of those people who hates things because they are popular? (I bet the latter)
>>81552019
You sound like a Insufferable Cunt.
>>81549250
>>81552026
>Batwoman is the same height as Dick
Apparently Tim is taller than Dick in the Rebirth then.
>>81552412
Kate Kane and Dick Grayson are both supposed to be 5'10"
>>81552213
People like that is the reason that makes Jasonfags looks like cunt. I wish he's falseflagging.
>>81552458
Who said that he is Jason fan?
>>81552452
I've always thought this was too short for Dick.
In my headcanon
Batman-6'5"
Dick-6'
Jason-6'1"
Tim-5'7"
Damian-(idk whatever 12 year olds are)
>>81552508
>Batman-6'5"
kek
>>81552551
Look at JJ Watt, that's how big Batman should be to fit the way he's drawn imo
>>81552551
>>81552508
Well,he should be, 6'3 was pretty tall in the 40's.
But it's too average for a rich white guy, bruce should always be huge. They should ad an inch to his height every 30 years.
>>81552458
>Jasonfags
I'm actually surprised how decent his fanbase is compared to other bat characters.
I mean, most of his fans hated what King done to him in RW and they still didn't harass him on his twitter like certain fans did to other writers.
They also didn't harass Tynion and Lobdell or spam dc main twitter with hate despite the fact that they aren't happy with what they did to him.
>>81553014
>fans hated what King done to him in RW
Wait, really? I consider myself a Jasonfag and I thought that his two appearances in King's books were better than anything Lobdell did with him.
>all these people complaining about heights. ages, and weights in a comic book
For what purpose
>>81553615
King didn't make him a special snowflake and had Damian kick his ass.
That and Dick, Damian, and arguably Duke were the main characters of the storyline.
>>81554181
He had great character moments with the other unofficial Robin kids and his interactions with his "brothers" were great.
>>81554181
It's a mistake to have any of them fight each other, the amount of whining it spawns on the internet is ridiculous, that and its been their default relationship since Battle for the Cowl.
>>81552551
Bruce is canon at 6'2". Add boots and bat ears and im guessing 6'5" is probable.
>>81549811
They're close friends with Hellboy?
>>81549875
>TFW I had a chance to remove Tim Wise from this world and I didn't take it...
>Stephanie will never be considered a part of the batfamily
why does Didio hate her so much?
>>81549859
Damian got shit on a lot in Morrison's run though
>>81553014
True now that I think about it. Though depending on who you ask he's been shit on since his debut story a decade ago so maybe they're used to it.
