ITT: Adaptations that were better than the source material
>>81471216
Wasn't she an OC?
>>81471259
Nope & Ursa from Superman 2 was basically the exact same character just with a different name.
>>81471311
>>81471302
>>81471109
Gonna be a lot of DCAU in here
>>81471216
>>81471295
You know what I'd do?
How about Zod and Faora bang in the phantom zone and the resulting kid is Super-Boy. That's a lot better than "Weird clone of Superman and Lex" which it is now.
>>81471326
Didn't that happen once ?
>>81471326
that's basically Mon-El, he came from the phantom zone.
They had hindsight on their side to avoid the whole clone bullshit, but man did they handle it all better.
>>81471349
DESU, I have never ever gotten the love for this series.
Of all the 90s Superhero cartoons, it seemed like the worst with the worst animation easily.
Yeah Spiderman wasn't allowed to punch things but the animation wasn't nearly as choppy as this was.
>>81471358
happened in Batman Beyond
I absolutely violently despise Emma Frost 80% of the time in comics. (The Cuckoos moreso)
And I totally adored this stern but sweet motherly Emma from the X-Men anime.
And this outfit is one of the best Emma outfits ever.
It's very Victorian-ish high class but still hyper seuxalized at the same time.
ideal for Emma.
>>81471326
>That's a lot better than "Weird clone of Superman and Lex" which it is now.
Actually Superboy is Superman and Lois son now. The way it always should have been
>>81471380
this show had huge story arcs, that was basically unheard of at the time, no action cartoon had entire seasons dedicated to one single saga which called upon earlier lore.
It was one of if not the single greatest written cartoon for an extremely long time, plus the voice acting was top fucking notch, animation was spotty like Spider-Man of course but that was inconsequential as there was nothing better to compare it to except BTAS and Spider-Man.
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>>81471448
which Superman and Lois, the ones that survived Convergence?
>>81471467
Yep
>>81471453
>>81471479
>>81471473
I am so fucking glad that they came back, when are they going to replace shitty 52 Superman and Lois?
>>81471311
Fuck yeah, Data Galactus.
I'm not gonna say it's better as the Ron Marz run is phenomenal but the Witchblade anime is fun as fuck and shockingly emotionally effective with the mother/daughter relationship taking center stage.
>>81471525
>>81471534
>>81471109
>No "MONGUUUUUUUUUUUUL"
Nah man
>>81471525
I can vouch for this
>>81471493
In 2 months. There's no mention of New 52 Superman anywhere
>>81471596
are you serious?!
you mean I can start reading Superman comics again?
>>81471604
If you don't mind that the trunks aren't back then, yes
Pretty much all of the toy to cartoon adaptations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VSBkq0n1Ks
>>81471622
ARE YOU KIDDING?!
dude that only makes it fucking better!
>>81471109
No way. While still great, the DCAU take of this story is so watered down and lacking.
It's incredible how much better Godzilla TAS was to the 1998 American movie (and I say that as someone who likes that movie)
Gave us a Godzilla in the 98 body with the Personality of classic G and Atomic breath.
Made Matt Broderick's character a actual bad ass leader and gave him a fun supporting cast.
Gave the American Godzilla his own rogues gallery without resorting to ripping off Toho Monsters for the most part.
This Space Ghost mini series was entirely better then the cartoons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU_ljMDJ4uk
>>81471672
The black mercy actually makes sense in the DCAU version. It blends everything Clark would see as a perfect life. The books Krypton is a nightmare
95% of the shows based on a comic after Batman:The Animated Series started. There, I said it.
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>>81471365
Didn't know that. I always use Zod because he's Vegeta to me and this idea is just ripping off Trunks in a way. Making Super-Boy sort of his own thing because....
>>81471448
Okay, that's cool and makes more sense but I also like having a Super Boy that isn't related to Super Man directly because he's an alien and can't reproduce with a human. So the Zod-Son-Super-Boy is pure kryptonian in the only way it's possible.
Gohan is acceptable though.
>>81471525
Yeah and the character design was great too. I love the witch blade, slut-warrior contrasted with the goofy, innocent mom. I never read much of the original WB to compare though.
>>81471674
Yeah that and the MIB cartoon were underrated as fuck. What happen to those people? They need to make more things.
>>81471525
I hate witchblade but this made it fun, great opening too
>>81472249
I want fil barlow to design things for more series, nigga is like the peter chung of monsters
>>81471561
haven't seen it. Was there a "BURN" scene?
>>81471109
It really wasn't.
>>81471525
That series had a prequel novel with the dying teenage girl Yuri Miyazono as the wielder.
Wish they would make a actual series out of her story.
>>81472547
>>81472547
Oh yes. Newbern sold the shit out of that line. Also, Eric Roberts is my favorite Mongul voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXHeuRMc6ak
>>81472557
As a fan of the original story, I'm inclined to disagree. A lot of the weird shit with Jor-El was skipped, and the story flowed better.
Prove me wrong that this is the best version of Living Laser.You can't.
>>81471109
Fuck you OP that's literally the only scene that is better than the comic, other than that the comic is infinitely better
>>81471782
Which is subtext for Clarks subconscious fighting back
>>81472692
Weird shit with Jor El was important though
>>81472236
Chris Kent
>>81471452
Literally Spider man did the same thing
Mind you I'm not talking about the concept of Hobgoblin.
I'm talking about Philip Jason Macendale, a very shitty villain in the comics, whom Howard Mackie tried to turn into a badass by giving him military/CIA/mercenary background but that didn't work because you can't be a badass AND a cowardly, whiny little bitch like Macendale.
Spider-Man TAS Macendale was thousand times smarter, more charismatic and weirdly enough even more sympathetic despite being a textbook sociopath.
>>81473075
Who was the jack o lantern who showed up in the late 90s i actually liked that guy even if the stories sucked
>>81473075
*Jason Philip Macendale
Shame on me for making such a dumb mistake.
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>>81471604
>>81471640
>skipping morrison's run on action
kys
>>81473094
A guy named Steven Levins, I think.
Macendale dropped the Jack O' Lantern identity I think by the end of 80s.
Which is a good thing because he was pathetic even as a Jack O'Lantern.
>>81473189
That was Macendale's first encounter with Spider-Man.
>>81473206
I just can't take him seriously, especially compared to how dangerous TAS Jason was.
>>81471302
That's just the magic of having Malcolm McDowell voice him.
>>81471420
seconded.
>>81472897
Great Ghost, too.
>>81471326
Because Faora is a serial killer who targets men.
>>81473665
No only the 60s version of her was like that, Mos/new 52 and I think even the Russian Zod's Faora with the cybernetics never had a misandrist streak.
>>81471693
It was better than I expected, but it still fell apart every time I started reading it in George Lowe's voice. There are some things that are just too stuck in my mind.
>>81471586
I dunno, it was good but the comic book has its own thing going on.
>better than the movie
The second one, anyway.
>>81474724
Wait, wasn't that where she first appeared?
>>81474784
She was an old 80's villain that had a handful of appearances. But they improved her by giving her a less dated design and making her more sympathetic without losing the essential parts of her character.
The show missed the mark with people like Pyg or Anarky, but they did get a lot of villains right.
>>81471109
prove me wrong
>>81471109
It was so good that even Alan Moore liked it.It certainly helped that Bruce Timm et al. actually asked Moore for permission first, though.
>>81471140
Jason's voice in this was goat in this movie. You could honestly feel his pain in the whole " Bruce i forgive you for not saving me"
>>81476093
Apparently that's not true, or at least there's no evidence one way or the other that Moore liked it:
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2016/02/05/comic-book-legends-revealed-561/3/
Timm only said Moore approved the episode, but there's no record of Moore saying he liked it.
After the episode aired, Timm wrote:
>dave gibbons sent me a nice email, he found it very enjoyable overall, thought it was a successful adaptation, understood why we changed the things we did….i’ve not heard from mr. moore yet, so i don’t know if that’s good or bad :sweat:…hopefully he liked it….we may never know…
But Moore did ask for a copy of the episode when he approved it.
So at most we can concretely say that Moore didn't hate it enough to withhold approval, but we just don't know how he feels about it.
>>81476156
Well Jensen Ackles makes his living crying on screen, after all.
>>81471109
Not the movie as a whole just this character.
>>81471326
>>81471358
Chris Kent aka Lor-Zod
>>81471109
Fuck no. It was a good episode, but the cheesy electric guitar ruined it. The comic is still one of the best Superman stories ever written.
>>81471140
Yes.
>>81471216
Absolutely. Faora in MoS is the definitive version of Faora.
>>81471326
That is actually Lor-Zod, aka Christopher Kent.
Shredder Strikes Back Part 1 > What Goes Around Comes Around
>>81477125What's my name
>>81479949Scrubbing Bubbles
Absolutely not. It failed in the same way that the Supergirl episode did, we saw nothing of Krypton itself. It was just people they were related to. The meat of the comic where Superman's "perfect" world is still very clearly imperfect was mostly lost. Also Batman's dream in the episode was trash. Literally just his dad punching Joe Chill.
It wasn't a bad episode (that's the difference between it and the Supergirl "adaption") but it was in no way better than the source material.
>>81473027
Sad that it even took this long for someone to point out this literally already happened. It wasn't even an obscure run, Johns gets highly recommended around here and Busiek used Chris a lot too. /co/ really doesn't read comics at all, does it?
>>81479883
In general the comic was very rough and it jumped arcs haphazardly. Not to mention Shredder was supposed to be this giant badass after they've disposed of him in the first issue, which made it weird.
For all it's faults the 4kids cartoon was probably the best adaptation of the original comic, superior to it despite being made kid-friendly.I don't know if it was the best version of TMNT though
>>81472493
The whole villain lore in that series was top notch. I really enjoyed the Valentine's day episode that showed all of them together like warring mafia families come to make a truce
>>81480145
>I don't know if it was the best version of TMNT though
what would you say that would be
As great as Judas Contract was, it's definitely dated, and Season 2 of Teen Titans did a great job of "trimming the fat" and making Terra into more of an actual character.
>>81471525
I was actually surprised at how much I liked this. Based on the character designs, I was expecting little more than mindless fanservice, but look past the cheesecake designs and there's a surprisingly affecting story about a single mum trying her best to raise her daughter in a dangerous world.
>>81471311
DCAU Brainianc was my first version of Brainiac. I was super disappointed to find out that the original is just some crazy alien.
DCAU's rogue computer program makes way more sense, feels far more creepy, and has a much stronger connection to Superman.
>>81471311
Was it ever explained how DCAU Brainiac 5 was both a Coluan and Brainiac's descendant even though DCAU Brainiac was a Kryptonian AI? All I remember is him saying that Brainiac over time gave himself the ability to reproduce but Brainiac-5 directly references being a Coluan.
>>81481228
I agree with this.
The best animated series adaptations obviously have the benefit of hindsight, but they really do make some of the more tortuous comics stories more accessible by streamlining them. For example, while I'm not a huge fan of the 1990s X-Men series (I have a hard time looking past the poor-to-middling animation quality), one of the things the writers got right was cutting down on all the alternate future nonsense and tying Cable and Bishop's origins together. It wasn't perfect, but it holds together better and is more accessible than the jumbled, garbled contradictory stuff in the comics.
>>81477125
I disagree. I loved the movie but I fucking hated this version of Ajax. Cyborg Ajax was better all round and merging Killbrew and Ajax into just evil British scientist really hurt Deadpool's origin story since a large part of the Ajax story is Deadpool coming to forgive Killbrew.
>>81472897
Yep, a 3/10 character is undeniably better than a 1/10 character.
>>81480145
>>81479883
With the exception of 'City at War' and 'Sons of the Silent Age,' the 4kids show did a really good job of refining and improving the Mirage stories. I guess Peter Laird was a big help.
Has there been any other series based on a comic where the original creator acted as an active consultant or executive writer?
>>81475980
Stone cold fact.
Tron: Uprising > Tron: Legacy > Tron
>>81471109
What do these two videos have in common.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-V_k_UfP7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FltJckwjMco
>>81481794
No shit, the original Tron isn't a good movie, and I'm saying that as someone who owns the VHS, DVD, and laserdisk.
>>81471140
Does batman let Jason murder joker in the cartoon the way he should have in the comics?
>>81471384
Sauce? Comic number?
>>81472493
10/10 scene
no talking, just opera and super saiyan spidey
>>81473665
I like her more already.
>>81471326
Clone of superman was fine before Johns added the lame two dads shit
>>81481836
No.
MAX > Netflix.
>>81481644
I guess Brainiac 4 banged a Coluan chick?
>>81482070
>Tfw Brainiac got those Kryptonian genes he was after in the end
>>81471326
There was a character named Drax in the Legion cartoon that came out of the Phantom Zone and had Kryptonian powers.
It was heavily implied he was the offspring of Kryptonian criminals, very likely Zod and Ursa/Faora.
>>81481836
Punisher:year one>Netflix
>>81481984
Considering the film came out over 30 years and is still entertaining, it's a good movie. A lot of movies from that time are just straight up unwatchable, unless you have nostalgia for them.
>>81481644
It doesn't really matter. That entire episode was just handwaved Brainy/Kara fanservice (I loved it though).
>>81471701
GOD YES!
>>81482248
1,000% incorrect.
>>81482248
Even after they went from murder mystery to shitty mafia noir following 4~ months of extensive rewrites after a half-dozen different sites worked out the villain based on the first episode alone?
>>81472493
The spidey animation in this series was GOAT!
>>81473148
>caring about Morrison's run on action
>>81473075
Because of this cartoon I actually though Green Goblin was a knock off of the Hobgoblin.
>>81471109
>>81471140
>>81471302
>>81471311
>dcau fags
>>81471384
Sauce please?
>>81482533
Really, dude?
>happened in Batman Beyond
Wasn't clear enough for you?
>>81482560
Issue number, dumb ass. Anyone can see its the Beyond universe.
>>81481836
I wouldn't say better. Tie at best.
>>81482658
This and all his support cast. Falcon, mainly.
>>81471311
Dat voice
>>81471525
Started out interesting but faltered
Was never impressed with Marz's writing with the comic though
It was much better than the movie.
>>81483729
It was originally a book you dope.
And in it they were more like SPESS MEHREENS.
>>81483729
>Book
Top tier Fascist literature, it really is Cultural Fascism.
>Movie
Satire of Hitlerite National Socialism and Mussolini's Italian Fascism, really funny and well done stuff, while being kinda loyal to the original source material.
>TV
Mix of both, obviously can't be political, but it still did a good job getting it across.
>>81471701
There is no lie here.
>>81483938
Yes, but the show uses the movie as a source more so than the book with a couple of exceptions.
>>81471604
>reading Jurgens
>>81481992
No, but at least he didn't slashed Jason's throat to save Joker.
>>81483938
>>81484169
Roughnecks was a synthesis of the movie and book, but far more influenced by the movie. The Bug designs were ripped straight from the 1997 movie, Dizzy is a female and new Johnny from HS, Carl/Al are represented as a single exported character and lives and is psychic, etc.
There really wasn't a whole lot of stuff from the book besides the Skinnies and the powersuits.
>>81481228
Probably the only arc where they didn't went full retard adapting it, but still terra's fall from grace was too forced and didn't feel as organic as in the comic, still a good effort for such a shit series
The american 'Zilla cartoon which was technically a sequel to the film
>>81472897
MODOK was close to being GOAT, but then he jobbed to Controller and Justin Hammer.
>>81471326
Did you go into a coma right before Johns wrote Last Son, and no one has told you about this nu52 thing?
>>81471547
how is the cartoon better than...a video game that values gameplay over story? And more importantly, that's not even the best adaptation. Check out the Archie comics and the Megamix/Gigamix manga.
>>81482527
But Under the Red Hood isn't part of the DCAU.
>>81482614
Justice League Beyond 2.0 #8
Read the first 7 issues though
>>81473543
I third that.
>>81471384
I never got why Superman would keep mentioning Rao. He literally grew up in the Bible Belt, and most of the Kryptonian's he meets either want him on dead or on his knees.
>>81481992
He was gonna walk away but Jason was mad that Batman wouldn't kill the Joker, so Jason was going to shoot Batman.
>>81482527
>implying Under the Red Hood movie isn't all the good parts of the comic minus the retarded
How is Batman killing Jason to save the Joker better than Batman simply stopping Jason rather than take his ultimatum?
>>81471701
The comic is pretty good though.
