Want to take a look inside at the pay rates of major comic companies?
Anonymous Survey designed to collect information on what and how creators have been paid was started.
127 People have responded so far
http://fairpagerates.com/year-in-review-2015-survey-results/
It is really interesting stuff and I hope it grows over time.
>Boom! will pay someone $20 to write, draw or colour a page
I thought this was a well-intentioned company.
800 bucks for a cover at Dark Horse?
What the heck?
Oh my god read the comments at the bottom about Boom
HOLY SHIT
Seems like DC is the place to be if you're a writer
>>81443003
Okay, but counterpoint - Boom! employed Kate Leth for years.
>>81442896
>those BlueWater comments
Haha oh wow. I knew they were awful but straight up not paying creators? Damn.
It's really tough to judge with the number of respondents, and some companies (like Image) don't work to the standard model. But from that Valiant and DC seem decent. I had thought Marvel would be decent too but it looks like they'll pitch super cheap if they think the artist/writer will accept it.
IDW and Dynamite are lower but also seem fair. V. surprised at some of the low rates - no excuse to pay someone $20 a page at all (can't believe Dark Horse, Boom have done this).
>>81443013
And Marvel if you're an artist.
jesus no wonder so many writers do multiple books at a time, they couldn't afford to live if they didn't.
>>81442944
In the real world, having good intentions mean that you either will be crushed by peoples who couldn't give less of a damn about ethics and use every thick in the bag to make your life hell,eventually forcing you to become one of them to survive or you'll simply get brought out because they are so powerful compared to you that trying to fight them on fair ground is simply impossible and is a shortcut to oblivion. It would be like the David & Goliath fight but David can only use its hands for the fight.
I want to know what that 100 page book is now.
>>81442944
>Get $20 to draw an entire comic page (7 hours+) at Boom!
>Or get $20 to draw a single character commission (2 hours max) on tumblr/deviantart/your blog/whatever>Or get $60 to draw a single character fetish commission (2 hours max plus your sanity) on Furaffinity
Hmmmmmm
>>81443137
That's a fun viewpoint but companies who have good intentions towards their staff and fair practices in employing them can and do succeed. I feel bad that your work history is such that you think that isn't possible.
There's certainly a disconnect between Boom's image and attitude and what it is willing to pay someone for a day or more of work.
>>81443156
Porn is the way to go, man.
InCase is making 4 grand a month on Patreon.
Give the people what they want, damn it.
>>81443138
Christ did someone really draw and write a 100 page book for $5 a page? They must have really needed the money. Even if that shit was stick figures that's way too low a payment.
>Marvel – for secret reasons and also if you give work to Nathan Edmondson after finding out about his shit I won’t work for you and also more secret reasons.
99% chance this was written by Ales Kot.
>>81443156
Sanity doesn't pay the dough tho
>“Marvel – for secret reasons and also if you give work to Nathan Edmondson after finding out about his shit I won’t work for you and also more secret reasons. DC – Shielding sex harassers, secret reasons.”
>“Marvel/DC because they fuck up constantly and seems like a toxic and inflexible work environment,”
I wonder if either of these people have worked for Boom! It's pretty interesting to compare people's statements who have worked for DC/Marvel and won't anymore with the statements who have never worked for them and won't.
>>81443292
What's the story there? Some more of those super secret backdoor shenanigans that everyone always claims to know about but only speak of vaguely because they're all gigantic pussies and have no concrete proof to back it up?
Jesus, how come Marvel is that cheap when it comes to writers? $30 lowest when DC gives $90 at the lowest?
No wonder writers don't give a shit at Marvel.
>Publishers to be warned about
>Dark Horse
>Reason: shields sexual harassers.
So literally nothing to worry about as long as I don't have sweet tits and a butt that just won't quit? Score!
>>81443349
Keep in mind that the sample size is low and it might just be a rookie that they lowballed. Still pretty shitty though.
> literally nothing on Image
Why did I expect anything less unless it's Invincible the only employee seems to be Todd Mcfarlane and he spends most of his time making figures.
>Avatar – I just wouldn’t
kek
>>81443349
It's user-submitted data. There's no guarantee you are catching the lowest paid DC writer there. Stuff like this is why writers and artists should always communicate with each other about payment.
>>81443364
Don't be an ass. It's perfectly reasonable to not want to work for a company that avoids confronting poor behaviour.
>>81443400
Image is creator owned though, so it's probably a bit harder to draw a comparison.
>>81443364
Sounds more like they know bullshit when they see it. Some landwhale probably through a tantrum that a guys elbow accidentally rubbed against one of her folds of fat and called it sexual harassment.
>>81443400
Image has a completely different model to the other companies.
>>81443330
Ales Kot has a vendetta against Edmonson because the former is a diehard liberal while the latter is a diehard conservative so the two would apparently get into big political arguments, and Edmonson and Kot would pitch for the same books and Marvel kept going with Edmonson's pitches over his. So then Kot made up a big thing about how Edmonson is a sexual abuser and predator then when asked how he knows this he would always just say "secret reasons."
Kot fucking sucks.
>>81442896
Holy shit, I am trying to break into an industry that pays less than half of my current job.
Jesus fuck
>>81443438
Just don't, man.
Just don't.
Do a webcomic and start a Patreon or sell merch. You'd be much better off.
>>81443427
Nah it was actually a big deal and not just ladies.
>>81443438
"starving artist" is a thing for a reason
>“I’ll no longer write for DC because upper management and much of editorial (especially the Superman office) are either incompetent or abusive.”
So why is Harass still employed? He's a terrible editor and aparrently many people also accuse him of being a sexual harasser too.
>>81443427
Nah, Dark Horse actually did have a huge sexual harassment problem. It just broke a few months back.
>>81443434
Wow the amount of disinformation in this post is staggering.
>>81443406
>It's perfectly reasonable to not want to work for a company that avoids confronting poor behaviour.
If it doesn't affect me why should I care?
>>81442896
>yfw you make more money than the guy writing Batman
Thats both sad and uplifting
>>81443349
the artists love underselling the writers because they think anyone can write. they reckon they can score a sweet artist+writer deal on a book and get paid twice for what they see as only slightly more effort.
>>81443400
Reason #1 to not publish through Image: You won't make much money if your comic sells poorly.
Reason #2 to not publish through image: N/A
If you have enough money saved up in your bank account to support yourself through poor sales, then Image is the perfect publisher.
>>81443479
The theory is blackmail.
There was a Superman Office story some months back about how it was a stupid chain of each person having something on their superior
>>81443438
>thinking comics pay anything
Haha oh wow. Nah man, the only way you'll make money out of the comics industry is by making a creator-owned comic that's lucky enough to get optioned for a movie.
>>81443520
The guys writing Batman are probably not in this. That is one job at DC that probably has a higher pay grade.
>>81443513
How your coworkers gets treated will affect your productivity in the end. Take what you can get of course, but it's not a purely moral choice like you're trying to paint it. It ultimately will affect your personal bottom line.
>>81443513
I don't know. Because you're a man, not an animal? We've no grounds to discuss this if you have no or entirely self-serving principles, anon.
>>81443052
I liked her at stuff
>>81443479
I have seen zero accusations of Harras being a sexual harasser.
Are you thinking of Eddie Berganza?
Let's try to keep in mind this is an incredibly small sample size they're working from and may not be indicative of any overall trends but rather the survey taker's subjective experiences.
>>81443542
Or get a Scholastic Deal and sell the big bucks to kids.
>>81443556
Batman usually comes along with an exclusive deal so it's not really the same anyway.
>>81443291
>>81443138
Wrote linearted AND colored it all
Lets check solicits for 100 page dh books with one creator. That narrows it down
>>81443585
This is true. If you make kids books you can sell via book fairs and get on reading lists and shit.
>>81443591
How much is the page rate for an exclusive creator anyway?
>>81443513
Because if your coworkers are treated like shit and nobody speaks out, what's to stop somebody from doing likewise to you? It's a "First they came for the Socialists " type situation.
>>81443487
Sure thing Ales
>>81443427
>>81443460
>>81443484
The nigga literally bit people.
And they joker about it!
And didnt say shit until he was caught like ten years later
>>81443438
Just treat comics as a hobby. If you can make some extra money that's great but survive off a real career
>>81443605
Could have been the rate for a larger work but at 100 page increments too
>>81443292
Just did a little reading and yeah, if that's not Kot someone's trying to make us all think it is.
>>81443434
Oh look, we've got Edmonson in this very thread!
>>81443364
Scott Allie gropes penises and bites dudes' ears
>>81443678
>>81443542
>>81443469
>>81443454
I understand that, but its just surreal that I am looking up to and trying to suceed guys who honestly would likley want to crash on my couch as much as they signed an autograph.
Its just weird how guys "established" above me are really WAY below me in other areas.
Its somewhat comforting given how stresses I have been lately about procrastinating on my writing, from a certain perspective I get paid more to do for real what these guys write about.
I mean jesus though, I knew it was bad but THAT bad?
and this is all freelance, which means no consistent salary or benefits?
Jesus guys
>>81442896
The comic book industry seems more messed up than I thought.
>>81443757
>and this is all freelance, which means no consistent salary or benefits?
Only if you have an exclusive contract. Then you get benefits, higher page rate, guaranteed work etc.
>>81443746
For real?
>>81443454
I am basically going to funnel government dollars in my paycheck to pay artists online to draw my comics.
Good plan y/no?
>>81443757
It's almost like money isn't everything!
>>81443790
It's a niche industry! It's an incredibly niche industry! You should't be surprised.
Like if you worked at a company that specifically manufactures combs for giraffes.
>>81443757
> I get paid more to do for real what these guys write about.
What do you do anon?
>>81443400
There are tons of articles & infographs from creators themselves, IIRC Jim Zub has done a fuckton of those over the years and there was one by Kieron Gillen recently
I'm pretty sure any of them would openly tell you if you just ask any one of them (if you're not talking about Top Cow or Extreme stuff)
So basically don't get into comics unless it's a side job? Because holy fuck, I could make more money working full time at McDonalds.
>>81443791
Dont you only get those after a couple years of freelance tho? >>81443577
>>81443529
Its eddie. Note how his office has zero women in it. Thats on purpose.
DC basically qauranteed him.
Irony is that he oversees WONDER WOMAN of all things
>>81443757
All the smart money is at Image, to be honest.
If a comic sells 20k at Marvel and DC then it's considered a soon-to-be-canceled failure. If a comic sells 20k at Image then it's a huge success and the creators reap the benefits.
>I’ll give you some really basic rule of thumbs for indie comic commentary:
>Anything selling stably over 10k in single issues is a cause for celebration and joy. The creators are almost certainly extremely happy.
>If you’re selling over (ooh) 12k, you’re probably making more than either of the big two would pay you, unless you’re one of the very biggest names.
>If you’re selling anything near 20k, you probably have to buy drinks for your friends.
Source: Kieron Gillen
>>81443876
I've heard that Image is much harder to get with though.
>>81443808
Yes. So unless you want this guy sneaking up behind you and licking your ear with your job on the line if you try to make him stop, then you probably shouldn't work at Dark Horse.
>>81443564
>>81443567
>>81443638
What I hate is how easy it is to get away with it. Just make sure its in private, and you can basically do anything because its your word against theres.
Beeing a list is basically a free ticket to do whatever you wanr.
>>81443872
>Dont you only get those after a couple years of freelance tho?
Usually yeah, though Tom King and Steve Orlando recently got exclusive contracts with DC and they're both pretty new to the company.
>>81443914
You have to pitch, you have to bring your own artist.
>>81443939
King interned with them in college, before his whole CIA thing.
>>81443917
Jesus Christ he looks like Zack de la Rocha on meth.
>>81443914
You first have to pitch and convince Image to accept you, make them believe that you can make money.
But once they do, you get complete freedom to do A N Y T H I N G you want.
>>81443914
I imagine they'd have to be with the kind of freedom they give.
>>81443963
Really? I thought he interned at Marvel and worked with Claremont or something, or am I thinking of someone else?
>>81443917
Understand that wasnt a joke.
He literally did all that shit.
For TEN YEARS
I am shocked DH hasnt been sued by now >>81443876
But you have to basically already be loaded to pay for the book, Hickman blew his life savings on books he wrote and drew.
What fucked up job pays you NEGATIVE money on the gamble you make a somewhat decent profit and maybe an option check down the road.
I love KG but lets look up sales and see how many Image comics sold like that, and how many werent already big names pushing vanity projects
>>81443856
Yes, unless you're one of the small handful of people that make it big. Pretty much the only way to make money in the comics industry is by having a succesful Image book, and the only people with succesful Image books are the ones that are already established and have large fanbases that'll buy whatever they put out.
>>81443876
And what if it doesn't sell? ;^)
>>81443856
Could you really? Most of these people probably bring in close to an average wage. Marguerite Bennett made over 50k last year and her work was pretty niche, but she was doing multiple stuff + cons, etc. Ewing does three books for Marvel at what is unlikely to be top rate and with additional income streams he probably makes 50k, 60k at least.
And you guys advocate pirating.
>>81443850
"Stuff."
Tbh I Probabaly shouldnt be as loose lipped about it as I am now, but I am an autist fresh out of college and way to young to have any self control so w.e
>>81443979
Plus you have to front the money for publishing, so even if they do accept your pitch and give you the go ahead, if it bombs right out the gate then you'll have LOST money.
>>81443876
Yeah but at Marvel/DC you start with a 50-100k pillow, at Image you start from 0-5k (unless you're a big ass name and well, none of us are)
>>81444041
Only if the book is hot trash.
I support a lot more books than I pirate.
>>81444025
>And what if it doesn't sell? ;^)
Then Image doesn't cancel your comic, but they "encourage" you to take a hiatus and rethink the comic's direction before trying again.
And then they let you try again.
>>81444041
I'm sure as fuck pirating from Boom if they pay their creatives that shittily AND withhold all royalties.
>>81444070
Yes but you just lost a shitload of money. Image do not bear the costs of your book.
>>81444025
>And what if it doesn't sell? ;^)
Then you lose money.
>>81443156
I got paid $150 last week for a page of commercial storyboards, it took me five minutes a panel to do a doodles of a corporate logo with arms.
>>81443876
>If a comic sells 20k at Marvel and DC then it's considered a soon-to-be-canceled failure
>DC
20k books aren't in danger of being cancelled in DC, but 10k and less is when the book is considered to be failure.
>>81444050
>loose lipped
>says nothing
fuck off, cunt
How does Image make money if all the sales go to the creators? Or do they still take something like 10%?
>>81444025
Sauce on Magben?>>81444041
In a fairness the comic industry is a flaming trash pile buisnesseise held up by intertia culture and IP.
In any sane model it would be nuked to shreds and start over.
I study this shit and I honestly beleive comics are the outright worst managed media industry on earth, and that says something
>>81444041
And some people support buying comics online at those cut-rate digital prices!
You wanna get really angry? Some people check out collected editions, whole graphic novels, from their library!
Multiple people NOT PAYING to read the same book.
Disgusting.
>>81444053
>Plus you have to front the money for publishing
You pay for the creative stuff, they pay for printing and handling
>>81444123
They got Walking Dead money coming in now.
>>81444134
She posted on twitter when she was doing some survey. Like the demographic she fit in was white, under 30, earning 50k+
>>81444122
I said it was government Stuff
>>81444096
You should've thought better before blowing your money on unsellable shit then
>>81444159
Jesus, I legit feel sorry for people I spent the last three years of my life in borderline psychopathic envy of.
I am such a faggot.
>Gender
>Male – 80
>Female – 39
>Non Binary – 3
>Genderfluid – 2
>Genderqueer – 2
Pfff
>>81444123
Image requires very little money to operate.
Image itself does very little, because the creators handle everything themselves, so it has very few employees on salary, so it requires very little money to pay those salaries.
>>81444155
Not how it works.
>>81444198
The grass is always greener on the other side, right?
>>81444244
What the fuck is even the difference between the last two?
>>81443364
>>81443746
>>81443917
>>81444012
>TEN YEARS
Holy shit how come I never heard any of that before?
>dudes
Oh that's why.
>>81444244
>not liking any non-binary/genderfluid/genderqueer artists
What a shame.
>>81444244
>Non Binary – 3
>Genderqueer – 2
Aren't these two the same thing?
>>81444142
>You pay for the creative stuff,
The what now? Do you or do you not have to pay money to get your shit published at Image?
Because if the only thing you're "paying" is the time spent drawing and writing your issues, then working at Image sounds like the perfect side gig. Unless there's some sort of contract that says you need to make certain issues by a certain time, then I guess it would be stressful.
>>81444309
Sephiroth?
>>81444198
What's the average national wage? That doesn't seem terrible to me.
>>81444244
>mfw Gendersquid isn't on the list
>>81444244
>>81444309
Such a shame.
>>81444265
My understanding is that genderfluid means that depending on the day your identity might switch. Sometimes you have girl days and sometimes you have boy days and they're clearly defined rather than overlapping.
Genderqueer just seems like non-binary to me though, that you don't fit into either box comfortably ever. I don't get that one.
>>81444265
>Genderfluid – I'm a guy today, I'm a gril tomorrow
>Genderqueer – Whatever you think I am, I'm not! Yeah MOM!!!
>>81442944
Jesus. I make twice that on a 2 hour commission.
>>81444333
You "pay yourself" to write and/or draw.
If your comic makes money then Image will give you that money.
But if your comic doesn't make money then you wrote and/or drew for Imagefor free.
>>81444309
>non-binary/genderfluid/genderquee
None of these are real things, you have depression and are trying to find your place in the world but you're can't have both gener at the same time neither have no gender.
>>81443757
You can still do comics, just literally don't quit your day job
>>81444400
But I already draw stupid comics for myself for free. Now I just need to convince Image to hire me. Or maybe suck Robert Kirkman's dick, which ever is easier.
>>81444401
Thank you Mr. Armchair Scientist, but can we put aside your "gut feeling" for a moment, and go back to talking about comics and wages?
>>81444333
You pay artists, letterers, editors and whoever else you want to, I think Fraction had to pay someone to use their lyrics in Sex Criminals
You can do it all by yourself of course, or not pay anyone anything - but when you submit the finished comic, Image does all the rest (the printing costs and distribution along with retailers fee is paid from sold copies - that's where the money for you also comes from)
That clear?
>>81444462
Post 'em.
>>81444277
The patriarchy wins again.
>>81444265
Gender fluid is Captain Marvel
Genderqueer is apolcypse
>>81444480
Yes sir thank you sir
>>81444265
Its simple
Fluid, as in you flow from one gender to another
Queer, as in strange. You arent even on the Spectrum.
Loki is genderfluid
Yeerks from Animorphs are genderqueer
>>81443996
He interned at both iirc
>>81444329
> To put this complicated issue as simply as possible:non-binaryrefers to gender that is not binary (not man nor woman) andgenderqueerrefers to gender that is queer (non-normative). Because gender that is not binary may be regarded as “queer” because it is not normative, it becomes easy to see why these terms have been used interchangeably. However,queeris also often used in a radical or political context, so some who may otherwise have considered themselves genderqueer may feel distanced from the term, or more closely aligned with it, due to this association. In short, genderqueer is often non-binary (except for in the case of referring to expression / performance exclusively), but not all non-binary identified people may consider themselves genderqueer for a variety of reasons, which I will discuss.
>>81443917
How can every comics creator be such a cuck to allow that? For 10 fuckin years nobody ever just lost it and decked him
>>81444597
So... King isn't that much of literally who when it comes to comics?
>>81444480
>>81444400
So Image is basically a webcomic that you need permission to publish?
>>81444623
>>81444628
He was a big shot.
Thats what happens.
So good news for wanna be molesters is that if you git gud its all the interns you can molest
>>81444647
Interns are even more literally who than comics "journalists"
>>81444677
Overlapping terms
Genderqueer just means not on the normal spectrum and being non binary means you are not on the man woman spectrum.
But since genderqueer has certain political connotations not all non binary folks are okay with saying they are.
Do you get it?
>>81444309
Campbell is straight up trans though, and goes by Sophie now. I'm pretty sure she would just identify as female
>>81444655
That's a retarded comparison. Retarded as shit. You have to completely misunderstand the definitions and environments to ever think that.
I just want you to think twice before posting about shit you have no idea about, you incredible fucking retard.
>>81444623
It really just seems like a Black vs African-American thing. Whatever makes them comfortable I guess, but for statistical purposes I don't understand listing them separately.
>>81444655
Before Comixology existed, how would Image be "webcomics"?
>>81444791
I meant as far as mechanically.
Image is basically printing house for already made stuff then right?
>>81444745
Can you just tell me where those two reside on the "special snowflake" chart?
>>81444791
S A V A G E
http://brianchurilla.tumblr.com/post/121294649150/so-you-want-to-be-a-comic-book-artist-heres
>>81444798
See
>>81444745
>>81444818
See
>>81444822
>>81444831
the idea that all of humanity would fit into any sort of neat categorization on something as personal as this is silly.
>>81444831
Genderqueer seems the most snowflakey. Followed by non-binary and then genderfluid.
>>81444647
Interns are as literally who as you can get
>>81444123
The creators pay Image upfront to print the book, Image gets a flat rate for everything.
http://comicquotations.tumblr.com/post/134744667081/kate-leth-marguerite-bennett-jamie-mckelvie-g
Here's some tweets talking about how shitty the pay is
>>81444961
see >>81444480
then >>81444791
>>81444974
Come on, Leth. Quit.
What a horrible business we all buy into
I'm surprised how many people didn't know how low the pay is for comics. I'm starting to think that guy who thought all the threads for Tomboy were paid shills was actually serious and didn't realize that there's no way the creator could afford that.
>>81445090
I always figured artistsade cash money on comissions. Writers are fucked, though.
>>81444698
When (more like if) I finish my phd and get comfy job in academia, will I be able to rape all the undergrads I want?
>>81445090
Usually it's creators themselves shilling their shit though
Cullen Bunn used to defend himself back in 2011-2012 and that comic about Batman and Joker being in love with each other was constantly storytimes by its artist
>>81444996
http://www.jimzub.com/creator-owned-economics-the-changing-market/
>>81445189
If you can find a niche as an artist you can clean up. Isn't Frank "Can't Write Dislogue" Cho charging $800 a pop for some 10 min pin up doodles?
>>81445010
But she LIKES getting screwed by old buisnessmen .
>>81445217
The guy I'm referring to was saying that every one of the three dozen or so people in the storytime threads saying they liked it were shills.
>>81445189
That's why writers write so many books per month though. They also get paid good rates for how easy the work is because that's what's perceived as important. Also with creator owned stuff a lot of the time it's the writer who actually owns everything and they employ the artist
>>81445289
Yeah, he's case I usually think off. Granted, he has unique style and he's drawing lewds and we know what sells.
>>81445418
Bonus if they have beards and BDSM is involved.
>>81445507
Now I know why Lobdell is treasured writer.
Why don't all the artists (if they want to make keep making comics for some reason) don't just move into Romania or Poland where their salary would be way above country's average?
>>81445090
>>81445217
Frankly if the rate of pay is so abysmal I don't have much of a problem with creators themselves shilling a bit as long as it's not 24/7 spam bullshit, they're not annoying with it, or the work is actually pretty good and they're interacting with whatever community they shill in instead of just throwing their shit to the wind over and over.
As a freelance designer, so much of my income depends on networking and, to an extent, shilling I must admit. I've been between jobs due to the last studio I worked with folding as a result of weak business, and with cost of living being high and still having just a little student debt to pay off (got lucky with scholarships so I never had more than $10k) it's so hard to find well paying work. People expect you to be able to design an entire project in an afternoon, do a finished logo in 5 minutes, and pay you jack shit for the actual 20+ hours of work you do. I had one client try to pay me LITERALLY $15 for 50 hours of work.
So I definitely commiserate with creators trying to reach as broad an audience as possible. More views equals more sales statistically, if people like a storytime enough they'll buy the book. I have for sure. Or it could lead to more recognition and sales at a Con, or even commission work down the line if their name is well known enough.
Art is a desolate, unappreciated field in all its forms. It's an absolute shame that so much work, time, and talent can be almost worthless because of such abysmal pay.
>>81445555
Because they're hipsters and want to live in retarded places like Portland and new York
>>81445555
nice quads, but I don't get your point
>>81445507
Writing is definitely not as easy as it seems, and good writers deserve a hell of a lot more credit and money than they make. To get the writing work perfectly in tandem with the art is such a delicate feat. Writers are undervalued.
>>81445555
Because then you'd be living in Romania.
>>81445555
Not even Romanians want to live in Romania, anon.
>>81445603
A lot of things are cheaper in poor countries, so after paying rent and insurance, they end up with more disposable income than they would in the USA.
>>81445555
Americans are too proud and entitled.
They know they will be rich on places like that but their lifestyles will go down on the scale.
>>81445657
ah, thanks for clarification. they are actually pretty comfy countries
>>81445626
Writers aren't undervalued compared to everyone else though. Granted there has been a bit of a pushback against them in the last few months. By easy I just mean I can fire out a 20 page comic script in a couple days but it would take at least 20 days for me to draw it
>>81445681
If you have a lot of money, you can definitely live well in places like Romania. A creator who gets 3k a month would live like a king.Source: am from Romania
>>81445579
One thing I've always wondered is how much of my money is actually being used to support the creator.
Say I liked Invincible. Would I have to buy the new release floppies to give Kirkman some of my money? What if I buy an old discounted volume 2 TPB from a hole in the wall bookstore? Amazon sales? It's like, yeah I want to support the artist, but I'm a poorfag so buying new is out of the question. If buying used/internet isn't going to get any of my money to the creator, why buy at all?
>>81445670
>>81445643
Do they have internet, movie theateres ,the english language and lots of folk to have kinky sex with?
I kinda need those things
>>81445670
Why aren't Romanians drawing all the comics.
They have one some of the best internets in the whole Europe and are wealthy enough to afford a scanner or a tablet. You don't even need top of the line equipment, my wacom is decade old and will be good enough for another decade.
>>81445579
I do interviees for a site, if you want to do an interview I would love to help you out
[email protected]
>>81445745And I'm from Poland
It's kinda funny that I earn more than american artists or writers from major companies
You can live decently already with 1k a month
>>81445626
ok now try being both the artist AND writer.
>>81445745
>A creator who gets 3k a month would live like a king
Amount of girls with loose morals that would jump on you is hilarious.
>>81445762
Probably. Was only once in Romania, didn't see any kinky person, though.
>>81445762
One of the countries with the fastest internet in the world actually. Cheap as fuck too.
Plenty of movie theaters and sluts too.
>>81445745
But no one speaks english>>81445714
Would it be any good tho
>>81445762
not only that, they don't have ghettos, niggs, spics while at the same time they can party hard. really hard
>>81445841
I speak no english and am negro.
Will they think me a drug dealer or gangster?
>>81445555
I thought about that once generally (moving to a poor country where I would live more comfortably), but once you realize the realities of basically painting a target on yourself for crime and shit it's just not worth it. I'm too suburban for that high maintenance nonsense.
>>81445752
It probably depends on the publisher but generally I'd say it goes like this:
>creative team is hired/contracted/assigned to book by publisher
>publisher publishes and every retailer wanting to sell it buys stock of the book from publisher
>book sells, store makes money, buys more
>publisher makes the money and pays creators the amount their contract stated
You are paying the retailer who pays the publisher who pays the creator(s). The publisher likely sees the bulk of the money, the creator is likely forced to accept most of their terms to make money at all unless they're a big enough name to negotiate better terms or are on an exclusive contract/permanent employment at the publisher.
Of course this is different with Image, and likely different for others as well but that's generally the standard model across all entertainment.
>>81445714
I was looking at the sample scripts for the Artist Development Workshops, and it honestly seems like a breeze. It's half stream of consciousness ramblings, scripts are hilarious to read.
>>81445856
But I'm black. >>81445902
I think those were designed to get a bunch of scenes, not be good
>>81445850
Most young and middle aged people know english actually. Almost all jobs require you to know at least some basic english.
>>81445883
they would probably burn you on the stake
>>81445923
they can be pretty racist, so they probably would be very tsundere
>>81445883
As long as you're not a gypsy you're fine.
>>81445811
>artist who also writers
>manages to make less than a whole team would be paid for a lot more work
Writing isn't easy. Art isn't easy. Lettering isn't easy. The rates I saw for creatives doing all that was embarrassing.
>>81445752
I heard somewhere that creators at Image get more money from trade sales than floppies.
>>81445856
Anon do you work for the Romanian tourist industry?
You guys realize no one speaks fucking romanian right?
>>81442896
>Straight – 81
>Gay – 3
>Bisexual – 18
>Pansexual – 3
>Asexual – 3
>Queer – 6
That's really weird, only 3 gays but 18 bisexuals?
>>81445988
Worse, I work for the bank
>>81445985
That's probably true, more money is in trades so creators write for trades anymore.
Honestly it might be interesting if books were actually written and paced specifically for larger volumes with monthly previews of the book to keep that interest going. They could be exactly as the artist/writer wants.
>>81446022
>mom, dad, I like guys
>mom, dad, I sometimes like guys
Makes sense to me, honestly.
>>81445975
yeah it's deplorable all around.
and this is if you even work at the big two. christ help you if you decide to go independent.
>>81445923
Most scripts and screenplays I've ever seen have been pretty close to that caliber. Just these hilarious descriptions like "Man trust me this is the coolest nigga you have ever seen, like Sam Jackson meets Morgan freeman" (actual dialogue for something I story boarded once)
Also if you're looking for cheap living where you will not be teated like shit for being black, you can do the whole Carribbean or expat-Africa life. I know some people who did the latter and are now living large.
>>81446039
Pay debts.
>>81446022
Masterrace
>>81446022
This confirm s my theory comic creators are all swingers like in Venture bros>>81446128
Fatgirlish storyboards? For what shows?
>>81446128
>you can do the whole Carribbean or expat-Africa life. I know some people who did the latter and are now living large.
>earn American money
>live in place where for ten dollars you can buy building and twenty women
>>81446244
I don't have to, I made a deal with them.
>>81445090
Mia Goodwin is industrious as fuck, has a working spouse and had a professorship at SCAD, so she's probably decently well off. Not that I'm arguing those were actually paid threads.
>Romanians trying to pretend their country is better than based Estonia ITT
>>81446327
I don't live in America, so nothing you know.
>>81446355
I know a person who moved to Kenya and literally got a TV show and became a minor celebrity within five years.She was also in the mall attacks, but whatever, she SURVIVED
>>81444529
This is surprisingly apt.
>>81446022
>2016
>not being a little bit bi
>>81446646
>I don't live in America, so nothing you know.
But I still want to know.
>>81444586
Then I fail to see the difference between genderqueer an non-binary, since doesn't non-binary mean "neither male nor female"?
>>81446638
That cheese sweet you guys eat is weird as fuck, desu.
>>81446022
Bisexual master race confirmed
>>81444277
>Oh that's why.
Well, yeah, that is why. Men are less likely to report sexual abuse because there's a stigma against it, same with male rape. Men are raised with this "just man up" mentality where stuff like this is just something you should deal with.
>tfw /co/ starts discussing other countries, but it isn't full on /int/
feels good
>>81446713
Mostly commercials and internal corporate shit, it's soulless but pays well and I can do it at my retail job. That gem of a line was from a music video by a local artist who wanted a brief interlude action scene in the middle of his song for...some reason.
>>81445289
Yeah, but he's also an industry veteran. He was getting paid shit rates just like everyone else to eventually get to the point where he is now.
>>81446900
Well whatever makes $$$ right. Keep at it and maybe one day YOU will be the coolest nigga you have ever seen, like Kandake Makeda meets Bobby Seale.
Sexuality
>Straight – 81
>Gay – 3
>Bisexual – 18
>Pansexual – 3
>Asexual – 3
>Queer – 6
>Doesn’t Know – 1
Huh, I want to meet the person that put "doesn't know."
>>81442896
>Boom!, the company that employs feminists, pays them peanuts
Good to know.
>>81442944
I can get paid 100 bucks for writing an article on fucking cracked about sexism and whatnot
>>81444353
What the dick?
>>81447125
TMS doesn't pay its writers, either
>>81445058
Context?
>>81444597
So how do I get to do that?
>>81447291
http://marvel.com/corporate/interns
http://www.warnerbroscareers.com/search-jobs/
>>81446870
It would nice if /int/ wasn't /pol/'s little sister.
>>81444698
That's some bullshit.
>>81445850
My point being it obviously takes way less time to write than draw or else every artist would have 3 ongoings right now and there would be no such thing as fill ins
>>81447425
Yes>>81446646
Try me, also do you do interviews?
>>81445752
Well if you buy something used or discounted there's no effect at all to the creator. The book was already bought from the distributor so your money just goes to the retailer
>>81446722
Queer just means "not normal " nom binary falls under that but genderqueer has certain politc connotations some dont id with
>>81445985
I think they get the same cut of the sales it's just that higher percentage of people that read image comics only buy trades
>>81443156
>only 20$ for the comission
You fucking wish, they are charging 40+
>>81445209
>get comfy job in academia
more like "enjoy your adjuncting"
>Dark Horse – shields sexual harassers
wut
>>81447677
>The book was already bought from the distributor so your money just goes to the retailer
But if it's full price it also all goes to the retailer.
>>81447426
>implying it's a bad thing
>>81449262
Guy goes around licking other guys'll ears and touching their butts
I wonder what they mean with "Edmondson's shit"?
>>81452146
And that creator was jelly?
>>81443292
Thought the same thing when I read it, there is no way it isn't him or someone impersonating him.
is the money for page all they make or do they also get a percentage on the sales?
De Campi is around too.
>I’ll no longer write for DC because upper management and much of editorial (especially the Superman office) are either incompetent or abusive.
>>81443003
>I also would not recommend joining Hiveworks for your webcomics
Does Hiveworks actually commission people for anything? I thought they just helped with kickstarters/merch stores/etc.
Now I know why BOOM sucks so much nowadays.
How do you break into comics?
>>81454145
Don't.
>>81443576
You liked shit
