Where is the first doomsday?
How will they bring "Clark Kent" back? Will they go full Archie Clayton?
Which beings was wonder woman referring to?
Will faora come back?
Doesn't the phantom zone have a time limit?
>>81418352
>How will they bring "Clark Kent" back
He's just back. You watch, they will give no explanation.
He will rise from his grave when the world needs him most, and will have grown a sweet mullet.
>Will they go full Archie Clayton?
He went by that for like one issue to infiltrate part of Vandal Savage's evil lair. It was never an actual identity he lived as, just a throwaway version of Matches Malone.
>>81418352
>Where is the first doomsday?
Either in the phantom zone or floating in space
>How will they bring "Clark Kent" back? Will they go full Archie Clayton?
He'll most likely just break out of the coffin when the times right.
>Which beings was wonder woman referring to?
Find out in the WW movie.
>>81418788
>>81418853
Let me clarify, I meant this guy. Not superman, but his alter ego.
>>81418969
They could say they never found the body.
We don't know if they played it as an token funeral or not.
>>81418383
>we will never get a Wondy/Faora/Deadpool team up movie
Why live?
If they are seriously going to adapt Injustice, I suppose Superman won't be Clark Kent anymore after coming back.
I hope they don't adapt Injustice.
Has anything been said about a new Superman solo movie?
>>81419274
Of course they're not.
This is Snyderverse, so Clark's identity as Clark doesn't matter at all.
If there's no room for Jimmy, I honestly (and not trying to be mean or snarky or whatever), honestly can't imagine there'd be a need for Clark to re-establish his human identity.
>>81418708
and people defending it will say the scene where they explain it was cut
Why is the flash movie between justice league 1 and 2?
They are doing flashpoint aren't they?
It would get rid of alot of issues
>>81418383
>wwn have Ryan back as hal
>>81420143
it doesn't seem like they're the same movie split in half like Infinity War, but two separate movies
presumably one will be about the formation, and the second will be about fighting a major threat that has been foreshadowed in the four intervening moviesand if Shazam happens that seems like New Gods bait if ever I've seen it
>>81420143
Fixed
>>81420176
he's infinitely better as deadpool
does anyone have that comic of lois standing beside some water, throwing the spear in, then saying "oops" with a dopey look on her face?
>>81418969
Did no one think to put pictures of two of the fatalities of that fight next to each other?
Hell were there any other fatalities?
>>81418459
got the gif of her giggling?
>>81421458
They specifically state multiple times that the Doomsday fight occurred over
>the downtown business district of Metropolis, which was almost entirely deserted at night
>a bare rock of an island in the bay
>an abandoned dock in Gotham
They even write that Clark only "died" because he was specifically chasing after the story, so he was there when no one else was around.
If there were other fatalities, it'd probably be a freak accident or extreme bad luck of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
>>81421781
So no. Again, wouldn't someone have put pictures of the two fatalities of the fight next to each other, then someone would notice, 'hey, that guy looks like the other with glasses.'
>>81421827
I think superman dying deserves more than just a mention, more like a whole huge ass article at page 1, Clarks death was more of a honorary mention though cause he worked for that paper.
>>81420438
>"Fixed"
>Gods Among Us is still on the list
I think it's safe to say they won't have anymore evil Superman...
>>81421392
Hold on a sec.
>>81421392
>>81423059I still think it made sense DESU
>>81423131
but anon, how else would we have our Excalibur/Lady in the Lake reference?
>>81418992
It was an open casket for clark
>>81424290
Did he have his glasses on?
>>81418383
T-three way?
>>81418352
>Dead
>Won't be back
>New Gods
>>81421705
I have smug.
>>81420552
How do you WB is feeling though? They had him now but now he's printing money for Fox.
How the fuck do Batman and Superman make up so quickly? Despite being set up to fight, they still sincerely disliked each other. Even during the fight Batman openly expresses his contempt for Supes, but immediately afterwards they act like friendsMy biggest complaint really. I enjoyed they film and feel much of the criticism is unfair.
>>81425446
because the plot demanded it
that's the reason for a lot of things that happen in the movie
>>81425446
I don't think Superman really disliked him, he wanted to talk to him at first, but Batman had gone crazy at that point.
>>81425778
Superman was the one who started that shit. He was obsessed with publishing a smear piece on him and openly threatened to shut down Batman which really forced the confrontation.
Plus he didn't try nearly hard enough to stop the fight with Batman since he was too confident that he could beat him.
>>81425854
Yes. They both realized what a couple of manchildren they were acting like and wised up.
>>81425923
I feel that Batman's actions were justified, but nothing in that fight really addressed the issues they had with each other. How the fuck is Superman not the least bit bitter with losing to a human, and how is Batman suddenly convinced that Superman isn't a threat to the world?
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>>81425446
Yeah, that was the biggest wtf in the movie.
I do think the criticism of the movie is over the top. And if nothing else comes of it, it did get me to watch Lois and Clark for the first time since it aired. Pic related
>>81426052
>How the fuck is Superman not the least bit bitter with losing to a human
Because he was more concerned with saving his mother's life.
>and how is Batman suddenly convinced that Superman isn't a threat to the world
Because Martha triggering his PTSD snapped him out of his psychotic fervor to kill Superman. He realized that Superman wasn't just some alien menace, he was a guy with a family and loved ones.
>>81426224
Alright I can buy that, but I don't see anything psychotic about what Batman was doing. Superman threatened him right to his face.
>>81426052
>How the fuck is Superman not the least bit bitter with losing to a human
Because his mind was focused on saving his mother.
>how is Batman suddenly convinced that Superman isn't a threat to the world?
Because Batman realized that Superman wasn't a untouchable god from outerspace, he was a man just trying to save his mother.
>>81426284
He was hellbent on destroying Superman with really no good reason other than he felt impotent to him. The way he was talking down to him throughout the fight just showed how far off the deep end he'd gone, he was seconds away from killing him.
>>81426426
Superman openly threatened him
>>81426426
>He was hellbent on destroying Superman with really no good reason other than he felt impotent to him
Did you miss the entire opening sequence to the movie. He saw one of his employees lose his legs because of Superman and a little girl lose her parents.
>The way he was talking down to him throughout the fight just showed how far off the deep end he'd gone
Because of how Superman was talking down to him the last time they met. They encounter cemented Supes as someone he had no respect for.
>>81426064
Anything from the opening with Wayne in Metroplis.
>Mankind is introduced to the Superman
>>81426481
>Did you miss the entire opening sequence to the movie. He saw one of his employees lose his legs because of Superman and a little girl lose her parents.
Those reasons aren't justifiable and don't count because Snyder said Batman was wrong. Doesn't matter if he was shit at actually showing it, he said it.
>>81426052
Mother Martha Fucker.
>>81426499
Unfortunately, the camrip is in Spanish I believe, so that title card will look different, but I can do that anyway.
>>81426537
>Those reasons aren't justifiable
How is concern for the average citizen not justifiable?
>>81426579
Because Snyder said in an interview outside of the movie that Batman was the bad guy. That means he can do whatever on screen and we're supposed to accept it.
>>81426628
>mfw I was literally rooting for the bad guy for the entire movie
Great directing Snyder.
Seriously, what the fuck, I thought he was trying to make Superman the unlikable one
>>81426712
>make character jesus
>make him unlikeable
Don't think even atheists do this, they just don't care. Muslims wouldn't because he's just another prophet to them. Maybe jews since they don't recognize him as the messiah I think?
>>81426791
He's too cold to be a proper Jesus figure
>>81426791
>Maybe jews since they don't recognize him as the messiah I think?
Nah even they go "He was a pretty cool guy and a man of the people. Just not our messiah".
This is just Snyder being Snyder.
>>81426791
well Superman was created by two Jewshe's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
>>81420552
>implying Reynolds plays more than one type of character
>>81425446
They realized most of their differences were manufactured or overblown by Luthor and knew they'd need each other to win the day
>>81425446
>Despite being set up to fight, they still sincerely disliked each other.
Batman thought Superman was a threat to the world. Superman thought Batman was too extreme in his methods. There's no dislike between them, just misunderstanding. Batman kept dreaming/having flashbacks of the alley with his mother, plus the madmax dream which tied it together for him to not kill Superman. That's what Snyder was trying to do but he directed it wrong and made it seem Batflect had an abrupt change of heart.
>>81427467
I don't see how Superman strongly objecting to Batman's methods, and threatening him because of it, was manufactured or overblown by Luthor
why didn't supes flew to the sun, super charge and come back to just fucking obliterate doomsday?
>>81418352
Alright /co/ - challenge time.
You inexplicably find yourself transported back in time six months and through some bizarre series of circumstances, have been asked to approve one final edit of the movie before it gets sent off to finish post-production.
You cannot add any new footage.
You cannot restore any of the already deleted scenes.
However, you have the option to reorder or remove up to three scenes.
What do you do and how do you see it improving the film?
>>81427581
Then why does Batman keep insulting Supes during the fight?
>>81427613
Remove Wondie looking at the JL promos, remove Knightmare,remove the entire rest of the movie
>>81427613
>What do you do and how do you see it improving the film?
Remove the pointless jump scare, make Darkseid less blatant and trim down on the Avengers envy as a whole.
>>81427676
Because he's pissed at the Wayne building in the beginning was brought down by Zod and Bats didnt know. He just blamed Supes.
>>81426499
>>81427613
remove the awkward stupid out of place lame joke of
>i'm friends of your son
>i figure, the cape
like it was so fucking weird, after all that killing, fighting superman, not a drop of fun or light heartiness suddenly batman cracks that retarded joke to martha who was seconds from being burned alive.
Like what the fuck were they thinking?
>hey you know its been almost 2 and a half hours of nothing but drama, edge, darkness lets crack a joke
>sure, right after bats saves martha from being burn alive after killing 40 dudes
>fantastic!
>>81427613
Remove the Lois bullet sub plot. Keep Knightmare in and remove JL cameos
where was Darkseid? i never saw him.
>>81427767
Even if Zod was responsible he also blamed Superman for bring biig time villains like him to earth
It's clear that Bruce took it very personally when Supes tried to shut him down.
>>81427850
he's not in the movie himself, but there's Parademons and the bigass Omega
>>81427804
There were jokes throughout the movie. Perry Black coming up with headlines like JJJ was funny stuff.
>>81427588
Same way how all those buildings he and Zod brought down were manufactured by Luthor.
>>81418352
>Where is the first doomsday?
Krypton shot him into space and he landed on Apokolips.
You probably know where i'm going with this.
>>81427796
POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
>>81427891
Like I said it was misunderstanding. Bats thought Superman was getting in his way ala TDKR which made it worse. When you study it further the entire motivation for Bruce getting Kryptonite was retarded because he was not going on the offensive, and the showdown was purely coincidental.
>>81418352
I hope they recast Lex for future films
>>81428070
if this isn't slapstick I don't know what is
>>81428147
>Bats thought Superman was getting in his way
What do you mean "thought"? Superman said he'd beat the shit out of Batman if he saw him again.
>>81420143
How will they manage Henry wanting more screentime?
Will we see Shazam and Hal in Justice League 2?
This was in another thread but explanation for Flash dream
>You could argue the Flash warning was a dream because its a future that no longer exists, now an echo
>>81428269
Well it was implied which gave Bats more motivation to make Kryptonite weapons. The script sequence was retarded as Supes' threat should have came first and THEN Bruce should have went on the Kryptonite search, and Bruce infiltrating Lex's party for info and so on.
>>81428070
I love that the cop is terrified because of the whole Batman legend myth, be the viewer would be thinking "Really, Bruce?"
>>81428424
I think the difference is that at first Batman wanted it as a precaution, but Superman's threat gave him the resolve to challenge him directly.
>>81427613
Remove all the dream sequences apart from the flashback at the very beginning.
The Knightmare scene was fun and all, but if you're going to remove Steppenwolf and all that, than it's super out of place and really does nothing for the narrative.
Also change Lex's music for fuck's sake
>>81428657
It was precautionary in true Bats fashion but the threat was immediately set up the coincidental showdown. It would have been better had the threat come sooner and Bats acted on seeing Supes as a real threat to him. Instead Snyder already implicated Batfleck was going on the attack which made it stupid.
>>81428864
Bruce should've some how realized Clark was Superman and was planning to lead a media crusade against him, but I still felt Affleck's actions were in character for Batman.
>>81426064
Lois Bath Scene
How come at the beginning of the movie they had
>Chapter 1: Mankind is Introduced to the Superman
But chapters are never mentioned ever again?
>>81429104
because Zack Snyder is a hack who pretends to be deep
>>81429104
I didn't see "chapter"
>>81429176
Are you sure? I remember thinking in the theater
>O we got chapters in this? That's kinda cool
And I just now realized that was the only time it came up
>>81429230
It said
18 months ago.
Metropolis: Mankind is Introduced to the Superman
>>81429006
You're missing the point of Snyder screwing up character motivations as at first he wanted Bruce to JUST GET whatever Lex has which is Kryptonite. There's no research no nothing. Lex doesn't say "Hey we can cut Zod's body with this green rock" to the world. Also, Supes basically setup the fight, which lead Bruce to ambush him coincidentally versus TDKR when Supes works for the government.
Bruce knowing Clark's identity would just make it easier for Bruce to target him. Bats wouldn't bother exposing his real identity. It might even change the entire movie.
>>81429100
>>81428852
>Also change Lex's music for fuck's sake
Fuck you I loved his theme.
It's literally a minor key reversal of Superman's theme forced into a march tempo.
>>81429373
>>ring ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding dingdingdingdingdingdingding
>>81425446
Yeah that bothered me a little bit too but I just rolled with it. Have you even been in a fight with an anon on here and just realized you misunderstood them and you actually agree on something? It really could of been like that. Adrenaline in the moment too. Not too mention realizing Lex was manipulating them both, which should of been explained better.
>>81426064
Yeah that look Gal gave was sexy and fiesty. Was I supposed to get a boner?
>>81429640
I'm sure they're going to have plenty of friction still when Supes comes back and they both join the League.
But right now Bats recognized that Superman can be an ally rather than an alien that has to be destroyed.
>>81427804
Yeah I actually really liked that scene. People joke like that all the time after near-death experiences, that's the proper emotional response, it's like venting off steam.
>>81429307
Thanks man. If its not too much to ask, can you include the beginning of the scene as well?
>>81428171
Yeah that was my #1 criticism, I really loathed this Lex. I feel like putting a better actor in could of helped, but they still wrote him as being too spazzy and weird.
It's the opposite of Lex, who's calm and in control.
>>81429769
It got a pretty big laugh in the audience I saw the movie with for that exact reason. It's exactly how comedic relief SHOULD be used.
That relief of the tension from the BvS fight and Batman saving Martha provides an effective transition from the tone of the that part of the movie into the Trinity uniting against Doomsday. MoS didn't have ANYTHING like that which made the final act feel a lot longer and emotionally exhausting as a result.
MARTHA
>>81429826
I thought he would eventually drop the act, but he didn't. It was like he had ADHD with all the stop-start talking and the 'hmphs!' he added. Plus that talk about the bell at the end made me cringe like crazy, and I was watching it alone.
>>81429104
>>81429149
It looks like it only served the purpose of "explain that this part took place in another movie, but we're seeing it from a different character's perspective" for the people who couldn't figure that out on there own or watch this years from now and have no idea it's a sequel (happens now with movies from the 70s/80s).
>>81429826
Yup. Too me it felt like Einsenberg watched too much TDK, or maybe it was Snyder, and thought oh man I'm gonna be creepy and crazy like ledgers Joker!
But that's not how Lex is supposed to be at all and it was stupid. Also he didn't even do the whole creepy/crazy thing well so there's that too.
>>81418383
SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIANA
>>81429949
>>81429908
I liked this Lex as an Elseworlds version.
He has the same complete misanthropic sociopathy and obsession with power and control that comics Lex does.
Comics Lex is just better at hiding it underneath buckets of charisma.
>>81430020
fucking girl Lex from Earth One was a better Lex than this
>>81427613
>Alright /co/ - challenge time.
I would remove the opening scenes that show them diving for kryptonite, then opening on the beach, then carrying it. We didn't need to see that, certainly not when Luthor said "by the way we found a big chunk of kryptonite". All the scenes were jarring and started the movie on a bad footing.
I would remove the knightmare scene, leave the Flash stuff though.
I wouldn't have WW view the videos until the credits (maybe). It seems bizarre that Batman lit up the bat signal and then we had to wait for WW to watch some videos before we got back to the action.
I would also lop all the funeral shit off at the end, movie should have ended with Luthor in jail scene.
>>81427796
I never noticed that the wreckage falling on the girl was a cross. How can you be subtle and hamfisted at the same time?
>>81429908
This... like the whole time he was fucking with the congresswoman I kept hoping we'd see him slip and drop the act and be the cool, collected sociopath we all hoped for... but it never came.
>>81427613
Combine the Bat demon and flashback dreams from Batman.
Open it with Lois investigating shit in the desert and being saved by Superman
And then I can't remember the specific placement, but reorder some of the scenes relating to Lex's machinations and Batman stealing the Kryptonite because that chronology was a little confusing and disjointed.
>>81430074
The problem with moving the JL teasers to the end would be that there'd be no contact from Batfleck to WW to ultimately keep her around, and none of the talk about finding the others would make sense. At least for the latter, you talk about removing the funeral scenes that include it, but the funeral scenes kind of hammer home the "Superman's dead" thing, and show the public embracing him as a hero, which is a change from what some of the public felt throughout the movie, and probably has a future purpose.
>>81430082
That's what you find when steel structural supports shear in a collapse like that. It's not like a one-in-a-million thing.
Superman's costume is literally Kryptonian underwear. It is a onesie worn under body armor or other Kryptonian suits.
>>81430216
I'd move the teasers so that Bruce is the one that sees them,not Wondy.
>>81430236
Zod probably can't believe he got killed by some guy in pajamas.
>>81430219
The top is broken off right beyond the joint, which is a little close for that. But really, while it can be rationalized, it's not like something like that being in the movie wasn't an intentional design decision that somebody had to make.
>>81427613
Change the Aquaman scene. Why the hell was he just floating there for ten seconds? It was like the actor was looking at me wondering what the hell he was doing.
>>81430283
Zod did strip down to his underoos in the final battle.
>>81429908
I had also hoped that, at the end, when Batman shows up, that he would be a little more serious.
But all I got was "ding ding ding ding ding ding".
>>81430304
Reminds me of the end of TFA. Just awkwardly lingering on Luke for too long.
>>81418352
>How will they bring "Clark Kent" back?
Clark won't be back, Superman will become full time Justice Leaguer
>Which beings was wonder woman referring to?
Greek Gods/Demons
>>81430330
>But all I got was "ding ding ding ding ding ding".PINGPINGPING
>>81430330
ping ping ping with allusion to motherboxes would have been nice.
>>81430330
Which is why the Communion scene should have been cut. It gives context to why Lex has lost his mind at the end.
>>81429303
>. There's no research no nothing.
Uh, no shit. If Bruce does research then there's no conflict, because he can find about about Martha an hour into the movie. Bruce can't be allowed to think to the fullest of his potential because otherwise there's no story.
That's the second problem with the whole "Oh he's human after all because he has loved ones!" resolution to te conflict. In order for them to get that far into their feud for Bruce to react to it as he does in the movie, it has to come out of nowhere for him. He's a Batman that's not allowed to be a detective.
>>81430356
shouldn't have*
>>81430356
Not really.
For those of us who already know about Darkseid/Apokalips, we probably figured out what was going on with the prison scene in the first place.
For viewers who don't know about Darkseid, that scene does fuck all to explain what he actually saw.
>>81430377
>He's a Batman that's not allowed to be a detective.
He is not the batman we typically know. He is tilted and suffers from PTSD.
The point is he saw superman as some inhuman alien. He never even thought he had a family here on earth, the whole situation was an unknown unknown.
When God's battle in the sky, you don't begin to imagine they have a nice little family in Kansas and maybe aren't so different from you.
>>81430430
Superman missed the bomb because he had no reason to think that there would be one there, and was too absorbed in his own guilt to pay attention
Batman missed Superman's human identity because he was so focused on his own personal crusade.
BvS was all about the heroes being forced to acknowledge a wider universe into their worldview. Even Wondy had to move beyond just being focused on reclaiming her own identity to actually fighting for "man's world" again.
>>81427613
>Move flash dream sequence and make it so it's not a dream
>Move WW looking at the pre-league members to the end of the movie(not after credits though)
>Remove the superman killed the villagers sub plots, it doesn't even make sense that they're blaming supes for people killed by bullets
>>81430473
It has set up for some great character progression. Certainly for Batman, Lex an Supes.
>>81430404
But it would show that he SAW something.
>>81430430
Man you ignored everything I said.
Him being tilted and suffering from PTSD is a fine in universe justification for why he wants to pick a fight with an invincibile god alien. I don't LIKE it, but I'll admit that it works as a justification.
However, the idea that this guy, that ANY guy that's this paranoid, would effectively go to war and not put any effort of his own into gathering intel on his opponent, THAT'S what I take issue with. Bruce is fed all his info from Lex. He doesn't do any research of his own into Clark. He CAN'T, because if he does then he'll come across Clark's secret identity almost immediately, and the whole thing falls apart.
My issue isn't that Bruce didn't assume or imagine that Clark has a nice little family in Kansas. My problem is that he doesn't try and find out anything on his own.
>>81430529
>Remove the superman killed the villagers sub plots, it doesn't even make sense that they're blaming supes for people killed by bullets
They aren't blaming him for killing them. They are upset he got involved in an international incident.
This was laid out in the prequel comics, which should have been read if you browse /co/ desu. The senates biggest fear is that superman will get involved in an international incident, Lex is spying on them and knows this.
>>81430571
But didn't that one woman come in and tell testify that supes came and killed everyone?
>>81430549
>My problem is that he doesn't try and find out anything on his own.
That's the point of an unknown unknown. Bruce doesn't see him as someone that could have a family or any ties to earth, that's why he doesn't look into it. He says as much "You aren't a god, not even a man".
That tribal-sounding drumbeat they played whenever they cut to WW during the Doomsday fight was pretty rad. It fit the scene pretty well.
>>81430377
No, Snyder and co didn't make the film correctly.
>He's a Batman that's not allowed to be a detective.
And now you're saying Snyder didn't write Batman correctly which I agree with.
>>81430620
I only remember the wheelchair guy testifying, and he was manipulated by Lex. Can you paraphrase what the woman said?
>>81430620
No.
she was talking about the ensuing mayhem
>>81430620
No, she was saying that after he left more bad guys showed up and retaliated against the villagers. Basically Superman escalated the situation and then took off
>>81430668
"Superman showed up and the next thing I knew everybody was dead"
>>81430620
No she was testifying that the warband came and slaugtered her village. They were trying to blame Supes for escalating the conflict when really Lex's men open fired before he even got there.
>>81430682
>>81430673
Oh, I must've just remembered incorrectly. I saw it on release day
>>81430685
Ditto. My takeaway was that she was at least implying that it had been Superman who may have killed everyone. Hence the whole bullet conspiracy nonsense. If the government (admitted that they) found super-secret-Lexcorp bullets, that wouldn't have been an element.
>>81430642
It sounded like something out of Justice League Unlimited.
>>81430754
>If the government (admitted that they) found super-secret-Lexcorp bullets, that wouldn't have been an element.
My take away with that was that they might have been suspicious about the Lex Corp bullets internally, but the dead CIA agent frames the entire situation sort of at their feet.
So...better to keep quiet.
>>81427588
Well Superman and Batman use the same fucking methods in the movie, so...
>>81427613
I put wonder womans theme song as the end credits cos i think it was fucking awesome
Did anyone else think Lex was going to give the crippled guy robot legs? It looked like a space wheel chair and I thought when he went to testify he would 'get up' to testify, showing that human ingenuity gives what alien 'gods' take away. Instead it was just a bomb. :/
>>81430798
Except Superman wasn't killing anyone.
Come to think of it, why was Batman killing so many dudes? I would have readily accepted some sort of "he's so jaded and dead to the world that he's broken his code" excuse, but I didn't catch any sort of explanation for it. Hopefully the "I failed him in life, I won't fail him in death" line during the funeral is alluding to him renewing his no-kill vow.
>>81418383
helo rato
>>81430880
>I would have readily accepted some sort of "he's so jaded and dead to the world that he's broken his code"
But that's what we got. Numerous PTSD flashbacks, telling us how he has had to change is ways in response to superman, good men go bad. We got heaps of info that this was exactly the case.
>renewing his no-kill vow
Good character progression and I expect this too.
>>81430880
He didn't give a fuck about the lives of any of the criminals who fights against, listen to his speech comparing them to weeds.
Batman in this movie comes dangerously close to Lex's own nihilism and misanthropy.
>>81430880
"That's how it starts. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel."
It was kind of explained, this was most likely aimed at him
>>81430939
I could accept his killing because of being so old and having a 'fuck it' attitude, but did he have to use guns like it wasn't any old thing?
>>81430982
Outside of the Knightmare and his Superman/Doomsday stuff, did he, other than using a few bad guys' guns against each other?
>>81430067
CLARK IS
CUTE
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>>81431026
the Batmobile and the Batplane have giant-ass car-blowing-up definitely-not-rubber-bullets machine guns on them?
>>81431026
Yeah, he grabbed a guys pistol and shot a few people with it. The Knightmare stuff didn't bother me because I saw him as using every weapon at his disposal, no matter the cost. But in the 'real world' he's using guns as if they never bothered him.
>>81431082
I seem to remember all iterations of these vehicles having weapons on them, which he typically uses to blast down doors or debris.
>>81431082
That's not really a new thing, and has been accepted more easily than the idea of Batman holding a firearm in his hand.
>>81431102
>The Knightmare stuff didn't bother me because I saw him as using every weapon at his disposal, no matter the cost
In the room clear at the end, he got shot in the head twice and knifed in the arm. I don't think he really had the luxury of worrying about a code at that point. It looked like clearing that room took all he had.
>>81431102
Outside of the Knightmare, the only time he used a gun was when he broke through the wall and shot KGBeasts gas tank.
>>81431183
I think some anons might be thinking of a part of that fight where he grabs a mook's gun as the mook is firing it and strafes the fire around the room.
>>81431155
Doesn't that make his code worthless, then? If you panic and throw it aside you may as well not have it. At least Batman in 'Beyond' quit because of his weakness and disgust at said weakness.
>>81427613
Remove the Knightmare scene
Remove wonder woman checking her email
Just make it a movie about Batman and Superman, everything else detracted from it.
Recast Lex
>>81418352
When will the poorfags (like me) get a decent quality download for this movie that isn't fucking camrip?
>>81431275
No, it makes him worthless, he now has a redemption arc. Become the batman we all know.
>>81431363
July
>>81431363
The camrip isn't that bad.
>>81431392
>3 months
well camrip it is
>>81430880
They couldn't explain it because we needed to see Bruce's parents dying again.
>>81426224
The issue with that is that batman specifically brings up that supes has parents that probably thought he'd be some hero when they're fighting.
The Martha thing is a poorly handled plot point with bad motivation like everything else about the fight.
The whole thing felt liked they just wanted to make a dawn of justice movie but realized they had to put a batman v Superman somewhere in there to get people to actually show up in the theater.
>>81431688
>The Martha thing is a poorly handled plot point with bad motivation like everything else about the fight.
I don't think it's as bad as a lot of people try to make it sound. Superficially, people like to complain that "Oh, their moms have the same name, so they're cool now".
Being worried about his mom humanizes Superman. Which is a huge deal to the guy who's spent to movie going on about how Superman is an alien monster, isn't human, it's a man, etc.
It also hits deep with his personal issues. The movie opened showing us that he still wakes up from nightmares of his parents' death, and that his dad's dying words were him calling out his wife's name. So when this alien monster coughs up his father's dying words, which ring in his nightmares on a regular basis, it's a pretty big deal.
It isn't perfect, but a lot of people brush it off without thinking about it.
>>81430880
>Raiden a dude through three walls
>I totally didn't kill anyone you guys, I swear
>>81431790
isn't*
>>81430377
>He's a Batman that's not allowed to be a detective.
But he does plenty of investigating concerning Luthor's connection to the White Portuguese and tracking down Wonder Woman after the party.
>>81431790
ok but how did Bruce even know it was Clark's mom
also why was Clark saying Martha and not Mom or my mother or something
like who the fuck refers to their mother by their first name
>>81430549
Batman has no reason to suspect that Superman has any type of secret identity. To him he's just a strange refugee alien playing with humanity for his own amusement. There's nothing to investigate. The entire conflict in the movie is centered around Batman being like rest of humanity, seeing only the S-shield and projecting his fears onto it, rather than seeing the man behind the shield.
>>81431817
Going to Luthor's party to steal his data is probably more detective work than in all of the Nolan trilogy combined.
>>81426064
Superman's big ass titties when he's cooking breakfast
>>81431885
Also getting files from the Russians phone.
>>81431834
>like who the fuck refers to their mother by their first name
Someone who is trying to tell someone else about their mom, and isn't calling it out for their own sake. Someone who has two moms. Someone who's adopted.
>>81431834
>ok but how did Bruce even know it was Clark's mom
Lois told him.
>also why was Clark saying Martha and not Mom or my mother or something
Maybe he thought that if Batman was actually going to kill him that he at least had a name and could still get his mother saved.
>>81431834
Because if he says mom, then Batman will just think he's referring to his alien mom and not give a fuck.
>>81419783
If they cut the vital scene that explains something that important, there's no defending it.
Why does Snyder hate Superman?
>>81432154
Look at his politics.
>>81432154
because he doesn't understand him
>>81423131
I love this style of drawing.
>>81428424
See this is why /co/ should never write movies.
>>81418383
Give Lex her corpse and we can get a Doomsday with tits.
>>81432306
,,,Because they have a better grasp on continuity than Snyder does?
Clark is just needlessly ainti-social and antagonistic in order to keep the movie going for an hour past its prime. Everything he does vindicates his low approval ratings.
>>81432336
she's in the Phantom Zone tho
>>81432210
He never wanted to understand him, it's not like he was too busied to be bothered to read at least a few Superman comics.
>>81418459
>time limit
She's in there with nothing to do but have crazy femdom sex with that army captain she kept playing mind games with the whole movie, she ain't coming out unless you drag her out.
Him on the other hand... I guess that depends on whether he can still walk or not.
>>81430793
Yeah, secret experimental US government bullets and a dead CIA agent found on the scene would raise way too many uncomfortable questions so they would be eager to shift the blame elsewhere, especially if it fits with their anti-Superman agenda, and even if they were to suspect Luthor for the incident, they have no proof.
>>81430639
>That's the point of an unknown unknown.
Yeah except with unknown unknowns you at least try to make them known. Bruce puts zero effort into this. The character that has meticulous preparation as his greatest strength, the character is defined by being a detective to the point that the ENTIRE FUCKING COMPANY is named after it, and he's not allowed to research his opponent because the conflict and its resolution are that shallow.
>Bruce doesn't see him as someone that could have a family or any ties to earth,
You still don't seem to get it.
Let's think about this logically
>I have an alien god I want to kill
>I should look for his weaknesses and find stuff out about him.
>I have researched my opponent. Why do satellite images keep putting him back to this one farm in Kansas?
>The farm appears to be owned by one Martha Kent, who has a son about the right age. I should verify this.
>Oh shit! The alien has an adopted earth mom!
And before you say he can't do that, we KNOW it's possible to track who Clark's mom is because Luthor does it!
Compare my scenario to what we got.
>I have an alien god I want to kill
>Fuck it. I'll just let Lex do my research for me. I can trust him totally!
>Trust but verify? Ain't nobody got time fo dat!
>>81432483
>I have researched my opponent. Why do satellite images keep putting him back to this one farm in Kansas?
>The farm appears to be owned by one Martha Kent, who has a son about the right age. I should verify this.
I feel like that's something pic related version of Batman would have done.
>>81426064
Batman being punched in the face by Supes soilders.
>>81418969
Couldn't they just have made up a lie that Clark went back to Smallville?
>>81432483
>Yeah except with unknown unknowns you at least try to make them known
You can't, you don't know they exist.
>>81432717
the Clark Kent identity was never important to Snyder so clearly he just didn't think that he might need it later on
>>81432483
>I have researched my opponent. Why do satellite images keep putting him back to this one farm in Kansas?
MoS already established you can't track Superman if he doesn't want you to see him. He actively avoids detection and tracking.
>And before you say he can't do that, we KNOW it's possible to track who Clark's mom is because Luthor does it!
Nothing indicates that Luthor figured out Clark's identity by tracking his movements. It's not even important because the resources and methods are entirely different with Luthor and Batman.
>Yeah except with unknown unknowns you at least try to make them known. Bruce puts zero effort into this.
Bruce's focus was investigating Superman physical weaknesses because he only saw him as an alien being with no strings to humanity. He would have nothing to base his investigations on. His head was not even in the game properly because his own bias and PTSD colored his vision and make him think of Superman as nothing but a guy hovering over humanity, hence why the focus was on everything Krypton related, to find weakness from there. Otherwise he would have seen all the good deed Superman did and go "hmmmm, he actually seems like a nice dude."
>>81432306
I could write a script 10x better than Snyder and his team did.
>>81418352
Why were all the blacks, asian and latinos killers dicks or victims? Or Swanwick. Pointless pointless Swanwick
>>81432554
It's something nearly EVERY other version of Batman EVER WRITTEN would have done.
It's something we idiots in the audience collectively all though of within thirty minutes and came home to batch about on the Internet. BatManslaughter has less foresight and situational awareness than the average unemployable faggot on 4chan.
>>81432964
Which goes well with Man of Murder, who has less social skills and basic humanity than your average /r9k/ poster.
This whole movie was just one big slap fight between retards and spergs and I guess also Wonder Woman was there.
>>81432943
because we haven't gotten to the non-white heroes yetMercy tho ;_;
>>81432822
>Nothing indicates that Luthor figured out Clark's identity by tracking his movements. I
You're being too literal. HOWEVER Clark gets found out by Luthor, it should be within Bruce's ability to do so was well. There's NO reason he shouldn't do this, not even paranoia.
You keep saying "He has no reason to look for Martha" and you're ignoring the fact that he doesn't need to know Marhta exists in order to find her. Because again, Luthor did the EXACT SAME THING and got the smart result.
Both characters go
>How can I bring this bastard down
One goes
>I'll do research on him, uncover some data, and find his weaknesses
the other goes
>He's too proud to have any secrets! I'll just whale on him in a giant robot suit with kryptonite!
Snyder flat out flipped Luthor and Bruce and you guys are acting like it's 10/10 greatest of all time true to the books.
>Otherwise he would have seen all the good deed Superman did and go "hmmmm, he actually seems like a nice dude."
YES. EXACTLY. When your movie requires the detective to be an idiot in order to keep the plot going forward, you have failed at building the conflict properly. Doubly so because IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY SOLVE THE ARGUMENT. Clark being human just means he has human fallibility and should be controlled and made accountable for his actions.
>>81427796
Should have been Metallo.
>>81433145
You know what? I don't care about the argument you guys are having but I think it's really stupid that Bruce is suddenly fine with an alien upon realizing he has human parents.
Batman of all people should realize that human beings have great potential to commit atrocities, hurt people, and ruin lives. A human parent does not in any way imply some minimum level of moral standing. The criminals Batman beats up every night have human parents, after all.
>>81420143
>Have to wait two fucking years for solo batfleck
this is bullshit
>>81433292
HOW MANY CRIMINALS DID YOU BRAND WITH MOMS NAMED MARTHA, BRUCE
>>81433292
>>81433145
You seem to fail to understand Bruce sees himself in Clark when he gets triggered by Martha. If Superman still needs to die even when he's being just like Batman, a vigilante donning a cape and helping people despite what the press think of him, Batman should also kill himself because he's basically saying his own crusade has been wrong from the start. Bruce finally sees beyond his hate and understands Clark is coming from the same exact place as he is, and that is why he is able to trust in him, because now Superman's actions aren't about playing with humanity, it's genuinely trying to help humanity from the goodness of Superman's heart.
>>81433482
And I'm saying that's a stupid realization to come to. If everything he knew about Superman beforehand led him to believe he was a bad guy, the existence of a human mom shouldn't change his mind.
If Lex had a mom named Martha, would Bruce "realize" that he and Lex are really the same, and Lex is simply trying to make the world a better place just like he is?
If Martian Manhunter was there instead of Supes, would Batman just kill him with a flaming spear without a second thought? His whole decision making process is just fucking stupid.
>>81433608
>If Lex had a mom named Martha, would Bruce "realize" that he and Lex are really the same, and Lex is simply trying to make the world a better place just like he is?
No, because Lex has not spent the past 18 months rescuing and helping people. Martha gives Bruce the proper context for the first time to judge Clark as a human being, as a man whose benevolent actions speak for himself, and not as an alien invader. Before Bruce never saw any heroics Superman did as nothing more than him playing around. Seeing Bruce primarily being concerned about his human mother when he's about to be skewered brings the point home and obliterates all of Bruce's misguided paranoia, through which he had until that point perceived Superman.
>>81433734
>No, because Lex has not spent the past 18 months rescuing and helping people.
Seriously flip it around so that Lex has the mom named Martha and Supes doesn't. Now Supes is dead, and Batman sees that Lex spent all that time trying to rid the world of a dangerous alien just like Batman did. They were both working toward the same cause.
>Martha gives Bruce the proper context for the first time to judge Clark as a human being, as a man whose benevolent actions speak for himself, and not as an alien invader.
His actions should have spoken for themselves already. Like I already said, being human doesn't automatically apply any level of kinship, moral standing, or even sanity. Batman should know this.
Having a human mom doesn't change this instantly though.
>Seeing Bruce primarily being concerned about his human mother when he's about to be skewered brings the point home and obliterates all of Bruce's misguided paranoia, through which he had until that point perceived Superman.
Lots of people care about their moms. Lots of fucked up people care about their moms. Doesn't mean they give a damn about anyone else.
>>81433734
I like this explanation. It wasn't "suddenly I changed my mind" it was more like he did have his doubts at his own reasoning but was too emotionally involved (the MoS fight personally fucked him up) to entertain them. The "MARTHA" moment set off that emotion in the other direction, enough to see the logic.
>>81433917
So Batman is a complete idiot who lets his emotions decide everything.
>>81433970
Yeah it's called being a human. Everyone does that. Everyone.
>>81434011
Sorry but no
>>81433970
>So Batman is a complete idiot who lets his emotions decide everything.
That's Batman 101, anon.
>>81434106
He really doesn't deserve the world's greatest detective title then
>>81428070
That scene would've been so much better with Batman just standing there full cape folded over him silhouetted by the light with the guy with the brand just muttering out "He's...behind..you.." then Batman suddenly lunches forward knocking the shotgun to shoot away then grapple out the house.
>>81432377
>that army captain she kept playing mind games with the whole movie,
doug stamper
>>81432554
I would have liked it if they did it World's Finest style
>Superman hears the transmission at Lex's party, figures out he's Batman but keeps his distance and is busy with saving people
>Batman sticks the transmitter on Superman while he give the "do you bleed?" nonsense
>Bruce Wayne suddenly appears at Clarks front door in metropolis
>>81434574
no it's the law and order svu guy
doug's thinner
>>81433300
>DOJ just got done and shown at theaters
>Did you like Batman? WELL GUESS WHAT FUCKERS, YOU GOTTA WAIT YEARS BEFORE YOU GET ANOTHER TASTE!
>MORE WONDERWOMAN, JUSTICE LEAGUE AND MORE MAN OF MURDER COMING YOUR WAY.
>You don't want it, we don't give a shit
>>81434069
Sorry but no to you to faggot. Sorry but no you couldn't convince someone on the Internet of something.
>>81436453
Sorry but not everyone allows their emotions to determine the conclusions they draw on factual matters. You'd realize that if your emotions weren't forcing you to assume everyone shares your flaws.
>>81434784
>MORE MAN OF MURDER
What, no theres not
>>81433734
>Martha gives Bruce the proper context for the first time to judge Clark as a human being, as a man whose benevolent actions speak for himself, and not as an alien invader.
Hey remember how LITERALLY seconds before Bruce talks about how Clarks parents thought he was born for aomething special and that he made a difference?
Do NvS defenders just forget this line?
