Hello! It's March 31st. This is a comic book. Thank you for your time.
>NSFW comic on a blue board
I hope you don't get banned, fammy.
>>81312178
THANK YOU BASED ANON
I'll do Greys at some point...
You fuckin' rule
>>81313906
I dunno, I'd read this at work
>>81314023
Fer sure man
>I'll do Greys at some point...
Yes!
>>81314176
Was it you I was talking to on here yesterday (?) night, you showed me that beautiful Riso book?
Regardless, thanks for storytiming this. Didn't like O.S much when I first read him in Mome, now I think he's one of the best of his generation. He can draw like a motherfucker and is such a good writer.
Is this book still reasonably priced/in print? Ya never know with Fanta stuff.
Thanks again OP!!!!
reading bump
>>81314368
Indeed, sup!
Yeah Ollie is top shelf, I first read him in Mould Map 3, one of the few truly great entries to decent anthology.
Believe it or not this book is about 25 bucks for a new copy. A total steal, it's quite a handsome and hefty book.
Taking a breather
Though wouldn't it be funny if...
>>81312592
This is what I love about Schrauwen, he's "literary" and "artsy" but doesn't take himself too seriously at all. it's like he's inherited all the best facets of the post-underground/"literary" alternative/Fort thunder-type pleasurable mark-making/classic tradition of Belgian (?) cartooning and combined them into sheer bliss.
>>81314664
Is MM 3 the one with the "manga" looking character on the cover with the Hanselmann autobio strip? Supplementary books? I have that one, can't remember if OS is in it though? Tbh it was one of those short-run anthologies I bought with an eye to maybe selling some day, I fucking HATE Leon Sadler with a passion...THIS is who Sammy Harkham chooses as the emissary of British alternative art cartooning (UKfag here)?! Either Sammy is trolling, or Leon gives the best blowjobs EVER....can't believe he's putting him in KE 9. Yes, I am buttmad!
But, yeah, whas good mane?! Thanks for doing this. I'm still on the fence about storytiming alt stuff ('cause unless you're Clowes or Ware you make fuck all money!) BUT having said that I will buy the sheeit out of this book, now. So, thanks for bringing good comics to /co/! Weekend tomorrow so I should have time to scan Greys, if not keep a look out Saturday...will try to do it tomorrow though Anon.
THANKS AGAIN DUDE
>>81314740
When I storytimed this comic on /aco/, I actually included the breaks and stretched it out over three weeks.
/aco/ is a slower board, but in theory you could possibly do the same on /co/.
One of my favorite comics. Schrauwen's other work is great too.
>>81313041
Fuck, this page, gorgeous. Wow.
>>81315125
Yeah the one and the same. I thought it had some great shit in it, and I like the look of the book overall (those little mini inserts are annoying, tho). I don't know that much about Sadler, but I can't get through anything he's done, the art shuts me right off.
Schwauren's story in that is about Armand,another member of the family. It's the one where the guy was trying to talk to someone in the future through a two-way monitor.
Yeah Schwauren is firing on all pistons with a lot of this stuff. He's definitely carrying the torch of great art comics past and has got the chops as far as visual presentation goes, but dude is also just plain good at cartooning. Guy has a great sense of rhythm, and knows how to land a gag.
I've only ever actually read Kramers 4, not all that hyped for 9, but I hope I may be surprised.
> I'm still on the fence about storytiming alt stuff ('cause unless you're Clowes or Ware you make fuck all money!)
Yeah I'm hesitant for the same reasons, but people like this could stand for some more attention. I'm surprised the book is not only sold out, but it's in surplus enough to be marked down as it is. Seriously worth jumping on getting a copy, very well put together book.
I found this on a torrent, but I might scan some stuff I got that's hard to come by/oop
>>81315355
Haha, tempting, hmm...
>>81315125
If you like the well rounded package of artsy with a sense of humor, you should check out painter John Lurie. I almost think of his work as being like one panel comics, if you look at them with the title in mind.
That's also what I like about C.F., have you read his 4 panel strips at the end of Mere?
>>81315355
nonporn on /aco/, wtf?
>>81316239
I should reread it...Kramers 9 has a great lineup and John Pham's stuff looks really appealing to me, hs style has changed fuckloads since the Sublife stuff, much, much "cartoonier"...Schwauren story in MM is ringing a bell, now, but yeah those inserts were a bit distracting as I remember. Your appraisal of his abilities is spot=on. Mowgli's Mirror just flat-out blew me away, never been that invested in a pantomime comic before. I mean, "silent" comic...definitely getting a copy of this...
>>81316441
That name rings a bell, too...fuck...will google, think he was in a Smoke Signal?!
Not a CF fan but some of his anthology work is cool. Generally prefer his hand-coloured stuff, don't own any of his solo books.
>>81316580
Well I totally love all that ultra serious high brow art comics stuff, like Aidan Koch, so CF is a lot more palatable for me.
Nah Lurie is not involved with comics at all. You might know the name because he was in some Jim Jarmusch movies. He also did an absurdist fishing show with some of his celebrity friends, like Tom Waits and Dennis Hopper. Kind of a dated perspective maybe, compared to fresh as fuck comics like this, but still tickles me a lot.
>>81316580
Ah man, I keep seeing issues of Epoxy places, but I've only lightly flipped through them. Going to pick it up now.
Speaking of picking things up
>>81316889
Oh fuck 'course he's in the Jarmusch prison film...down By Law, right?!
I like highbrow experimental but it has to have some "classic cartooning" elements, too...some of that stuff like Jason Overby takes itself too seriously for my tastes.
>>81316973
Yeah, you should, Sublife was really good too. The last epoxy was fucking gorgeous, crazy how Pham has evolved from "manga" style drawing, to the Sublife stuff, to the sort of smoother more "together" Ben Jones/Jon Vermilyea style he's doing now...under=rated cartoonist.
>>81316889
Also,
>absurdist fishing show
>>81317145
Yeah! He was in Down By Law. As well as Strangers in Paradise, and I think a few others.
>absurdist fishing show
Jim is in the first episode. I love that thing, and somehow it made it onto the Criterion Collection. Almost kind of a Chasing Amy kind of decision, but I'm not complaining.
Will def that shit out, thanks man
>>81317327
Yes mate! Love that film, Strangers In paradise I've seen a coupla times, I generally dig Jarmusch quite a bit, still haven't seen Only Lovers Left alive yet, though--any good?
Definitely have to check out the fishing show!
Not /co/ related (well, by name only) but there's a great film called Palookaville with Vincent Gallo which has a bit of that Jarmusch aesthetic...I recommend it.
Pham is really good. Also Jon vermilyea, who I mentioned. More cartoony than OS or CF...Im really starting to dig this strain of "cartoony naturalism" that's like the OTHER side of highbrow art comics. Sammy Harkham is sort of somewhere in the middle, know what I mean?
>mfw /x/ calls Multi-Force "the skeleton jelly comic"
>>81317632
The vampire one, right? I haven't seen it yet, nor Palookaville, but I liked Buffalo 66 a lot.
Haha, all of Fort Thunder might as well be the thing that Skeleton Jelly is from as far as most people are concerned.
Yeah, Sammy is reaching for great heights, but it's very straightforward, clear storytelling (not to summon Scott McCloud...). I also think Simon might also fit quite nicely into that.
>>81316580
>nonporn on /aco/, wtf?
Other shit I've storytimed on /aco/:
Moebius, Barbarella, Island, Wally Wood's Sally Forth, Cheval Noir, Love & Rockets, Acme Novelty Library, and Angry Youth Comix (that last one while borrowing another storytimer's thread)
No regrets.
>>81317840
Yeah..clear storytelling seems so much more important in so-called "artsy" comics (compared to capestuff) nowadays that I don't relate to quite a large chunk of /co/'s taste...people slagging off 6/9 panel grid comics as "boring "panelling", wtf?! I think my massive damascene conversion to alt stuff in '96 instilled a few "fundamentals" of "good cartooning"...like, the holistic (i mean, all done by one person) nature of 99% of alt stuff just makes for a more unified reading experience, capestuff has far too many show-offy artists who just want to draw pin-ups, really.../co/ has the Steve Dillon sameface meme but he's one of the clearest storytellers IN mainstream comics...I suppose it's "auteur theory" all over again, but damn if our sort of comics don't take full advantage of the medium's strengths! Comix have come so far but really we're still at the tip of the iceberg...though we're truly living in a golden age at the same time, imho...
>>81318024
Okay, important question: where do I start with Love and Rockets? I recently was suggested Love Bunglers by a comic shop employee when I said I liked Maggie, and it's like, some real arc finishing shit. I liked it, but wish I had any of the history with me while reading it. I tried starting at the very beginning once, but that wasn't a good idea either.
>>81312522
kek
>>81318024
Sorry to double post but...wow. How did that go down over there?! great choices btw anon
>>81318173
Heartbreak Soup with Gilbert...start with the most recent Jaime stuff, maybe? Ti-Girls, Education of Hopey Glass, Ghost of Hoppers...Maggie the Mechanic if ya want to start at the beginning...
>>81318173
What you need to understand is that Love & Rockets is actually 2 different comics. There's Love & Rockets by Gilbert ("Beto") and Love & Rockets by Jaime ("Xaime").
If you download Love & Rockets in single issues then it's simple, you start reading from issue #1.
For physical collections, the order goes like this:
>Maggie the Mechanic (Jaime Vol.1)
>The Girl from H.O.P.P.E.R.S. (Jaime Vol. 2)
>Perla La Loca (Jaime Vol. 3)
>Penny Century (Jaime Vol. 4)
>Esperanza (Jaime Vol. 5)
AND / OR (YOUR CHOICE)
>Heartbreak Soup (Gilbert Vol. 1)
>Human Diastrophism (Gilbert Vol. 2)
>Beyond Palomar (Gilbert Vol. 3)
>Luba and Her Family (Gilbert Vol. 4)
>Ofelia (Gilbert Vol. 5)
There's more, but after you get through those, you'll have an easier time figuring the rest on your own.
http://www.fantagraphics.com/howtoreadloveandrockets
>>81318138
My problem with superheroes is that most of the value people find in it is completely projected. None of the characters really have any dimension, and none of the storytelling is all that interesting. There's two kinds of Marvel/DC rag, one that is trying to "do something" with superheroes, and just paint by numbers genre stuff.
If you want to tell a good story, why chain yourself to franchise icons who by their nature are not allowed to change?
Also nothing is more boring to me than mainstream comics page composition. I mean, count how many times people use the same panel over and over again. Like you say as well, there's almost always a case of too many cooks, the dissonance between character faces and dialogue.
I'm really excited by comics as well, tho. I think some of the best shit ever is being made, and comics have advanced a lot faster than I would say almost any other medium.
>>81318252
>>81318373
>http://www.fantagraphics.com/howtoreadloveandrockets
lmaooo, how have I never come across this. Alright thanks guys, looks like I'm getting Heartbreak Soup and Maggie the Mechanic. Def buying that stuff, even tho Im not that familiar, I just love their art, speaking of good cartooning.
>>81318443
You're totally right, mate. There IS good cape/genrestuff out there but it's few and far between--Anon's are so wrapped up in the "le pretentious hipster garbage" meme they won't try anything new. All the innovation is happening in the small press, they're the ones moving the medium forward.
OTP, kawaii af
>>81318252
I chose comics that included nudity (even if only for one or two panels) but which weren't porn, and I would then claim that /aco/ was the ONLY board that I could post them on without fear of getting banned. Some people enjoyed what I was doing, some people got really upset.
My fondest memory was when someone called me a retard for posting those comics on /aco/, and they posted a page on /co/ to prove that /aco/ was the wrong board. And then they got BTFO by the janitor.
http://desustorage.org/co/thread/77306449/#77315647
Acme Novelty Library seemed to get the most positive response. Chris Ware isn't exactly a Big Name on 4chan, but something about Rusty Brown in particular (moreso than Jimmy Corrigan or any of the other characters) really resonates with 4channers.
Arsene Schrauwen had a strong response too, but it petered out a bit as the weeks wore on.
So, uh, maybe the week breaks wouldn't be such a good idea on /co/.
>>81313856
Full-on South Park face. Wow.
>>81318550
I don't know a lot about the dialogue from the other c amp, but yeah, I mean you can make a great story with just about anything, but I think the cards are really stacked against you as far as superhero stuff goes. There's one reason that good people are attached to projects like that: it's a job and people need money to live. You can have fun with your job, but if that stuff didn't completely dominate the market, just about zero talented people would be working on it.
My relationship with superheroes ended when I read the first Stardust the Super Wizard collection. I was like, wow, everything that tickles me about colorful men saving the world, except without all the For Adults pantomime, boiled down to its very essence.
I totally agree that small press stuff is what is pushing things forward, to the degree that I in my alt stuff IS comics.
>>81318938
*in my mind
Anyone reading, not trying to shit on your tastes. If you really want to keep life spicy tho, you gotta keep growing. Challenge yourself. Nothing is static...
comic books...
>>81319414
FINALLY
and I'm going to stop here for now, my friends. Thanks for reading!
>>81319861
Thanks breh
>>81319944
u bet, meng
>>81319677
The Yokoyama is strong in this one
>>81319604
>she withdrew her lips to blow a [text] bubble
hahahahahah
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