WHERE DID EVERYTHING GO SO WRONG?
>>81300075
Except the cuck subplot
That no one talked abotu the other batman/superman crossover.
I like The Batman's the most.
Kids:
http://nypost.com/2016/03/30/batman-v-superman-is-too-smart-for-marvel-fans/
>>81300075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urfADUE22zA
Nevar5get
>>81301602
>you just dont understand it!
>it's just 2deep4u!
>subject of movie is ultimately men in underpants fighting bad guys
DC is going maximum damage control
>>81300075
Saving this picture. Not even asking for permission.
>>81300075
The differences in how they used Mercy should also be acknowledged.
>>81301602
>>81302064
Only one damage controlling is you.
Fuck your 2 digit IQ
>>81301663
/vg/ pls go, it's already bread
>>81301663
Fuck off /v/ no one cares
>>81300075
It didn't.
>>81300075
Wanna point out real quick that Batmans costume from the cartoon and from the movie are virtually identical except for the tights.
>>81300075
>WHERE DID EVERYTHING GO SO WRONG?
reddit got entitled
>>81300075
http://nypost.com/2016/03/30/batman-v-superman-is-too-smart-for-marvel-fans/
"I wouldn’t call “Batman v Superman” the most coherent film of the year, but it’s pretty much the opposite of mindless entertainment, and some of the critical complaints sound a lot like, “Thinking makes my head hurt.”
>>81303698
Can't tell if /tv/ or /pol/
>>81300075
I watched all of BTAS and STAS and good god, it's a billion times better than whatever the fuck they're doing in live-action.
it's depressing really.
>>81303753
Did you read that entire review? for all the praise directed at the questions raised in the movie's first half, the writer outright ignores that instead of even offering an answer or deeper look, BvS devolves into mindless fighting and the same SuperJesus wank we got in this and MoS, without any advancement or any more to say.
Unanswered themes aren't "thought provoking" if they're introduced on such a surface level as they were in BvS. Even presenting both sides of a dilemma would be thought provoking while still not giving a concrete answer. Instead BvS replaces subplots with trailers, and fails to develop any character by the conclusion. Never has there been a film so overstuffed and simultaneously unfinished.
>>81300075
>muh source material
yeah stopped reading there
bias up all in the ass
>>81300075
Hiring an objectivist to direct an altruistic character
>>81301602
As a Marvel fag I found it odd that Batman refused to listen to Superman when he asked for help, twice. Batman is supposed to be the world's greatest detective, he is such an amazing detective that the comic brand he belongs to is named after his orginal comics (Detective Comics. So why is it that a 20 year veteran Batman wasn't able to figure out that both he and Superman were being played by Lex? I expected Batman to steer the fight towards where Martha was being held and revile to Superman that this was his plan all along, he just needed Clark to make it look real. Also, the fact that Lex knew who Superman was while Batman didn't bothered me.
Correct me if I'm worng, because I don't read to much DC, but most times when Batman and Superman fight, it's Batman who tries talking first, right? So why in this movie did he cover his ears and close his eyes and take everything about Superman at face value without investigating him at all?
This movie, while I enjoyed it, felt more like a G rated Punisher vs The Sentry movie.
At least WB could do is show some class.
>>81305288
because hack snyder fucking ruined what should have been the easiest a+ movie of all time
I thought the animated series batman and superman was meh. It was thinly disguised batwank. Hell he even stole Lois.
>>81305446
I didn't mind the movie at all, in fact I found it very enjoyable, dare I say fun, it's just that one bit with Batman struck me as more out of character than using guns and killing henchmen, my only other gripe on the film was during Doomsday's fight scene, the camera got to close and moved too much, it looked cool, but ingot lost in the details. It was like watching a Transformers fight scene all over again.
All in All I give the film a solid 8/10
>>81305288
>So why in this movie did he cover his ears and close his eyes and take everything about Superman at face value without investigating him at all?
Combination of him getting those letters from his previous employee not taking money, the congress bullshit and Snyder just being stupid. Bruce was out for blood.
>>81305446
Has Hack Snyder ever made a good story in a movie before?
>>81305958
Not a single thing wrong with the overall story in MOS.
>>81306022
The story in MoS is 7/10. But was it his own thing?
>>81305446
>>81305958
Why do you faggots insist on calling out Zack Snyder for the plot of BvS? It was written by Terrio and Goyer, not Snyder for fuck's sake. It was supposed to be the best part of the movie (remember all the "based Terrio" pics before release, they suddenly dissapeared now). Snyder is a dumb bastard and made really stupid decisions with this movie, but Chris Terrio fucked up just as much, if not more.
At least fling your shit in the right direction.
>>81306627
I was just asking if Zack ever made a good story in a movie. That means also if he ever made a good movie with someone else is story.
>>81306773
>That means also if he ever made a good movie with someone else is story.
Watchmen and 300 were alright, but there he was 99% adapting their respective comics word-for-word and shot-for-shot (except for the kidnapped artists and writers-psychic squid subplot in Watchmen, which was cut and replaced with Dr. Manhattan energy bombs because of time reasons). Snyder (or his buddy Goyer) can't take credit for the story or writing with either movie.
>>81307046
>yfw libshit Solid Snake is a better writer than Good Goyer
>>81307128
>risky
this is not an inherently good thing
I can be risky trying to make some super avant-grade arthouse film but if it's ass, it's ass.
>>81301602
>the film considers the ramifications of superbeings to a depth rarely attempted in the 78-year history of these characters
This person has got to be taking the piss
>people are defending Zack "Sucker Punch" Snyder
why not spend your energy on defending a better director?
>>81307207
Sucker Punch is actually good though. Most people just didn't get it.
>>81304334
At least the Batman parts were good.
Hey. Guys. I have an idea.
We quickly forgot that Fant4stic ever existed and nobody talks about it anymore.
What if we did it with BvS? Just stop mentioning it or talking about it, just ignore it entirely
>>81307277
>Most people just didn't get it.
Under the assumption that this isn't sarcasm or shitposting, you realize this is actually a flaw on the movies behalf right?
If critics can understand movies like Antichrist and The Dance of Reality, but not Sucker Punch, then something obviously went wrong.
Hey, is it alright if I storytime Injustice #30 in here? After seeing what MoS and BvS did to Superman, I must admit that I actually teared up a little.
>>81307277
No, it's easy to get. It's just boring and kinda dumb.
>>81307277
>>81307374
Injustice?
Wasn't that just a one-off comic about the game? Or did DC decide to make a full series out of it?
>>81307417
It was a full series and it sold REALLY well on cokixology. "top 5 comics" well.
>>81302338
Explain what made this incoherent movie which lacked plot, basic character motivation, editing, and direction was too deep for anyone? This wasn't a fucking Herzog film, it was Snyder.
>>81307349
Well, that's going to be harder than ignoring Fant4stic. I mean, Fant4stic didn't exactly have another movie set in the same universe coming out that same year.
>>81307417
It's a full series and still ongoing, IIRC. From what I've heard, it's gone to shit lately, but reading #30 really hit me hard after watching BvS.
>>81307349
This movie is a dour, self-serious, poorly assembled mess. But, like almost all Syder movies, it's a fun movie to talk about.
it went wrong when Warner entertainment started acting like a control freak.
>>81305602
That encapsulates the basic ethos of batman and superman. Batman is everyone's male wish fantasy. A peak human being who is also James Bond with a billion dollars. Meanwhile, we are all really superman. Work a 9-5 job, always given shit by our girl, have a cranky boss, etc etc etc
>>81307471
>This movie is a dour, self-serious, poorly assembled mess.
So was Fant4stic.
But yeah. As we had 3 years of arguing about MoS, we will have 10 more years arguing about BvS and the inevitable shitty Justice League movie.
God dammit.
>>81302338
Why did the hole look like Ontario?
>>81301602
Nothing that involves superheroes is "smart."
>>81301602
>mfw all this damage control
>>81307417
It's a weekly series. It's in Year Five, right before the events of the game start.
The writing isn't what I'd call good, except for the latest annual, but it's a hell of a ride.
>>81307277
I liked it but it's not smart so much as dense. It's a layered story that does a lot of fun stuff but it isn't all that complicated.
>>81307536
Don't remind me, anon.
I don't wanna think about how fucked all the league members will be.
>>81300075
>How ‘Batman V Superman’ Will Turn A Profit Despite Critical Kryptonite
http://deadline.com/2016/03/batman-v-superman-opening-weekend-box-office-records-1201726300/
Read it and weep, nerds.
>>81300724
wut?
>>81309706
Batman cucked Superman in World's Finest.
>>81307046
Watchman was bad for those reasons when synder put his own shit in, it was awful and failed to understand the meaning of it. BvS isn't all on him but to say he's blameless is a lie. Especially after that abomination called suckerpunch.
>>81309783
oh, I thought they meant in BvS.
>>81309158
>hasn't made $1 Billion in revenue
It's a flop to Warner Bros
>>81300075
I agree with this 100%.
World's Finest is a fantastic movie and Batman V Superman doesn't come close to it.
>>81307277
No, people "got it." It's not rocket science, and the ideas were worn on its sleeve. It was terribly executed, stuffed to the brim with pointless action sequences that drew on too long, and awful performances by the lead actresses.
"You didn't get it" for Sucker Punch is like saying "you don't understand him" for Benito Mussolini.
>>81305288
>Punisher vs. Senty movie
imokaywiththis.jpg
>>81305288
What bothered me was Superman not really attempting to talk it out. He knows they're both being played. He knows Batman is out for blood. And he attempts to talk to him before being interrupted by the audio and gun traps. But when he has the chance to actually get to the fucking point he instead decides to smash Batman through a building and start making vague threats until he gets hit by the gas.
>>81307277
>>81305288
I thought batman's irrationality made sense in the context of this film. He's shown to be a paranoid, cynical, violent and even jealous man. Superman's first interaction with him was a threat. Now he's got his mind set on murdering the guy, so of course he isn't going to listen when the alien start blubbering about needing help. He's insane and the situation has already gone past the point of negotiations, ironically brought there by superman himself.
What baffles me is Superman's approach. He's aggressive and intimidating to Bats without making any attempts to reason or find common ground. He just immediately forms these assumptions about Batman and runs with them, showing him to be stubborn and unreasonable, which doesn't make all that much sense considering his characterization points to him being empathetic and caring, and being misunderstood is his entire character conflict.
>Much-hyped movie comes out and is for the most part, well-received while still having detractors
>Maybe it's just not everyone's cup of tea, but I liked it
>Much-hyped movie comes out and is for the most part, trashed by fans and professional critics alike
>YOU'RE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND IT
>>81310460
He was going to talk it out dummy but bruce was acting to ragey
he had no idea krytonite existed and was about to fuck him up
What the hell, did you think supes ever inteded to kill him?
>>81310427
If it actually was a Punisher vs Sentry movie it'd be a pretty accurate one because they're supposed to be assholes, which Batman and Superman aren't
inb4 people saying Batman's supposed to be an asshole, no he fucking isn't fuck off and die.
>>81305288
>most times when Batman and Superman fight, it's Batman who tries talking first, right?
No, it's usually Supes. Bats only tries talking him down if Supes is brainwashed or otherwise behaving out of character. If this is not the case, then they're usually fighting because Bats doesn't trust Supes.
>>81310539
>" character is SUPPOSED to be ...."
Pathetic
Better, or worse?
>>81301602
>mentioning other films
why tho? a movieis good or bad on its own, not because other are worse or better, if is a good movie, people will llike it, period
>promises to be something more than your average capeshit
>goes back into the masturbatory biblical symbolism, Superman is Jesus bla bla bla
>movie ends in the average CGI clusterfuck fight
I feel like a lot of people are still in denial.
>>81310572
Why are you telling that to him instead of professional critics name dropping Marvel left and right
>>81310536
He shoved Batman through a wall. He wasn't trying to kill him, but knocking him around was an awful way of trying to negotiate. Those are intimidation tactics, and that's clearly not the way to negotiate with a man obviously itching to fight you
I don't understand that hate. I've seen it twice already and both times it was at the very least what I'd consider "good". My only complaint is Batmurder, which on the second watch is less glaring somehow.
Question.
Why is Batman and Superman fighting?
Neither of them would attack anyone without reason.
Did someone control or manipulate one of them into fighting the other?
Or is this movie just thrown together to have them fight and ignore the characters background?
>>81300075
Hack Snyder
DC/WB gave the keys to their most iconic characters to this douchebag who doesn't give two shits about anything except how badass and cool characters look
>>81300075
Is this the beginning of a new meme?
>>81310690
So you enjoy the terrible, schizophrenic editing, Lex being Joker-lite, Superman being a depressing dickhead, Wonder Woman having no personality at all, jars of piss, awful colour grading, shitty disjointed plot, forced cameos?
>>81310678
Cuz he was mad at him
All this autistic rage directed at him by Batman despite Batman having hacked into Luthors shit and found the fucked up evil shit he was up to
>>81310536
He had a lot of time before the kryptonite hit him. Once the traps weren't done making noise there's no reason he shouldn't have been able to say "Help me my mom is in trouble." He even had the chance to speak to him after beating him down and decided that the best thing to say was "Stay Down. If I wanted it, you'd be dead already." That's an absolutely awful way to try and start negotiating in the middle of a fight, especially with someone in the mental state of Bruce. It just comes off as boasting or threatening.
>>81310698
Bruce has a somewhat legitimate reason for fearing Clark, as he saw the damage done in Metropolis during the Zod fight and all the horrors it brought. Clark isforced to fight Bruce by order of Lex Luthor, who is holding Martha Kent hostage.Clark tries to explain the situation to Bruce, but Bruce only wants to fight as he sees Superman as nothing but a menace over the course of a few false flag attacks set up by Luthor.
>>81310775
I liked the jar of piss. And Luthora cute.
>>81310862
>I liked the jar of piss
DCCU fans in a nutshell.
People thin kits bad because in part its still an origin story. Clark has a long way to go to become comic Supes.
He gets angry easily, he makes mistakes, and is fallable. People have it in their heads that Supes is and always was a boy scout but that's just not how people work.
>>81310890
> muh company wars
It's possible to like both Marvel and DC you condescending cunt.
>>81310895
There have been two fucking movies, origin story time is OVER. He's still a mopey, depressing, boring asshole. And they're doing the death/resurrection way too soon, I don't give a shit about him at all. He could stay dead for all I care.
>>81310931
Oh I like DC. DCCU is hot garbage though.
>>81310776
Superman is not aware of what Batman knows.
Superman was also the first one to make an aggressive move against Bats back when he outright threatened him during the chase.
>Don't show up when they call. Consider this a mercy.
What the fuck did Superman expect Batman's attitude would be after that?
>>81310539
He's an asshole to criminals.
>>81300075
>World's Finest
Ah yes, where the Joker took out that laughable Superman. The DCAU Superman was garbage.
>>81310931
I love DC. I don't like these movies though
>>81310890
>There was an Elektra movie
>>81310890
What's the criteria for something being 'certified fresh'? Kind of seems all over the place.
>>81310890
>Batman Returns
>80%
>Superman Returns
>76%
>>81310776
Look, I'm not against Supes losing his temper sometimes. But his mother's life was in danger, he was well-aware that Batman was pushed over the edge due to Lex's interfering, and all Batman had done so far was hit him with a few traps that bounced off him like pebbles.
>>81310890
>All those Fox failures
>>81311014
"Movies and TV shows are Certified Fresh with a steady Tomatometer of 75% or higher after a set amount of reviews (80 for wide-release movies, 40 for limited-release movies, 20 for TV shows), including 5 reviews from Top Critics. "
>>81310890
People can shit on Marvel all they want, but dat consistency
I've never gone to a MCU movie and had a shitty time. I didn't see Thor 2 in theatres tho, that would have been awful
>>81310862
Right,both gets forced/manipulated by Luthor!. Thank you.
>>81310990
the entire Timm era was a Batwank but it did make Supes more interesting in JLU because Bruce did jack-fucking-shit and added basically nothing
>DC fans eat garbage like BvS up
You deserve better. So many great characters squandered and shat on. Snyder has no respect for them.
>iron man 2 and thor 2 are better than BvS
Lolno
>>81311158
I did.
The movie doesn't hold up in a second viewing, but in the first one, you're too busy laughing with the rest of the audience that you won't care until you're out of the theater.
>>81311248
Idk, I think I would have been annoying by the awful script even on my first viewing. I was noticing how shitty BvS was as I watched, Thor 2 would probably be the same.
It feels like they did a rough first draft and never fixed it up.
>>81311226
Batman v. Superman makes Thor: The Dark World look like Captain America: Winter Soldier.
>>81311014
It's based on the amount of positive/negative review
>>81310990
You shut your filthy whore mouth.
>>81311226
Here's the thing though: Iron Man 2 was just very forgettable, Thor 2 even more so, but I sort of forgot them by the time I was home.
BvS just keeps popping up in my head with how inconsistent and awful it was, 4 days after I've watched it.
>>81310566
Better. At least that was written by Miller before he became a fat-racist-chauvinistic-sociopath, rather than this which was a poor attempt to merge that with Death Of Superman.
>>81300075
Where were you when you realized that a graphic novella managed to convey a better Superman v Batman plot than a multi million dollar movie?
>>81310890
>we live in a world where Ant-Man is better received than Fantastic Four and Batman v Superman
If you would have told me this 10 years ago, would have strait up laughed in your face.
>>81310862
>I liked the jar of piss.
That needs to be on the DVD cases where they usually put the 5 star reviews.
>>81311555
the jar of piss will be the exclusive gift for buying the bluray
>>81310969
To be honest, he's not killing them and does minimal necessary damage to incapacitate them, while his interrogations never border inhumane.
I think he's actually pretty chill to criminals, all things considered.
>>81311552
That's the power of ANTS
>>81311596
Done and Done
>>81310890
Wow, was I the only one that legitimately REALLY liked The Incredible Hulk? I mean, it was my second favourite Phase 1 film, after Captain America.
>>81310895
That should have been the first movie alone. Superman is the pinacle of Superhero cliche's, the goodguy boyscout.
This, with the recent animated DC movies (Fucking... him cheating on Lois? Him cursing? Him switching between violent ass and kind boyscout so sporadically?) makes superman look like shit. Let's go back to Superman TAS and Justice League/Justice League Unlimited.
>>81303753
>>81301602
>"Or maybe I’m wrong. Maybe that’s not it at all. Maybe a wisecracking raccoon and Deadpool’s masturbation jokes are just a lot more interesting."
Holy shit is person is majorly butthurt.
>>81311675
I liked it more than Thor, not that I hated Thor or anything. Norton sold being Bruce Banner really well I thought.
>>81311552
Oh lawdy, when you put it like that...
>>81311742
>>81311675
Norton was better than Ruffalo, but Norton would've never meshed well with MCU proper.
>>81311828
Norton never meshed well with much at all, dude's a control freak apparently. But I heard they did promise him control over the final cut and then they changed their minds or something. Which does suck
>>81310890
Why the FUCK is TDKR higher than Batman Begins?
Batman Begins is the best of the Nolan movies.
>>81311916
Probably just the hype train after Dark Knight
Plus I found that DKR is one of those films that seems absolutely amazing on first viewing, but the more you examine it the worse it gets
>>81311871
Birdman was a pretty apt example of how he can be, but at least he's able to poke fun at himself.
>>81311675
I like it. It's not (pardon the pun) incredible, but I always find myself really enjoying it when I watch.
>>81311552
I blame Gamergate for this.
>>81311596
>>81310990
>The DCAU Superman was garbage
The things people will say to defend this garbage movie.
>>81312262
Did Supes scowl so hard his eyebrows fell off?
>>81312262
>>81311713
>Fucking... him cheating on Lois? Him cursing?
What's this in???
>>81300075
The six-month haitus for BvS had them apparently scrapping the entire script and starting over despite some protests and different writers attached getting replaced while some of the previously written script stayed.
The whole development of BvS was plagued with internal problems I think, though I don't know what or why they would be.
Likely conflicting visions of the film mashing against studio requirements for the film and producers being overpaid shitbags while making unreasonable demands.
>>81300075
>DC reboots and retcons the trunks
>all of their movies since then have been shit
!!!!!!!
>>81300075
the director is bad and also hates superman. warner think all heroes should be dark like nolan's batman.
>>81312552
Trunks were in Siperman Returns, and that movie still turned out awful.
>>81312620
The 3 minute plane crash scene is more entertaining than the entirety of Man of Murder or Batslaughter v. Man of Murder
>>81312606
Nolan Batman wasn't even that "dark", he was grounded.
There are actual jokes in Nolanverse, and the films manage to stay fun despite being more "realistic".
>>81300724
Bruce and Lois worked better together than Clark and Lois ever did.In the animated series, at least.
>>81311552
>Deadpool received better than Man of Steel
>>81312620
>Siperman
Who the fuck is Siperman?
>>81312262
Perfect.
>>81305288
>This movie, while I enjoyed it, felt more like a G rated Punisher vs The Sentry movie.
tfw DCEU Superman is almost everything that makes Sentry my most hated comic book character besides being a government tool.
>>81300075
Casting choices for aqua man, flash and lex.
And the director himself was a mistake
>>81312620
Siperman. I like the ring of it.
>>81307193
>>the film considers the ramifications of superbeings to a depth rarely attempted in the 78-year history of these characters
Where do these DC fags come from? They're obviously not comic readers or even cartoon watchers; if they were they'd know there's countless stories like that.
Do they just side with these movies because of a hate for Marvel?
>>81312815
Not just critically either
>>81300075
The difference is in the titles.
"World's Finest" and "Batman vs. Superman".
One sets makes you think of thr team-up, the other makes you think of the fight.
>>81312988
This exaggeration.
>>81307340
>Batman kills
>He's just an angry retard with no logic for the entire movie
>That boring ass Batmobile chase scene
Only good part was Wonder Woman and that may just be because it's the only thing that got the fanboy in me hyped.
>>81313425
Batman went crazy(and extra violent) because of Super 9/11 and was projecting his insecurities onto Superman.
>>81313510
But why? What did space aliens wrecking shit have to do with beating up street criminals? Why does their existence warrant executing mundane human criminals?
>>81313691
"Criminals come back like weeds." he led a violent life filled with sacrifice and death and didn't seem to really make a difference in the world. His last chance to make a difference in his old age is killing the alien who was actually innocent, that's like killing a firefighter and blaming him for 9/11 when he was just trying to help.
>That blatant strawman of an image
>people pretending that pure Batwank with a fucking cuckoldry subplot is better than BvS
DCAUfags are just the worst.
>>81313823
Snyder pls.
>>81312375
He was. He was pissy all the time and jobbed constantly. BvS was still a worse pile of crap though.
>>81313136
And that's with nearly 800 fewer theaters.
>>81312714
I don't think fun is the right word.
Engaging is probably a better one. Because TDK isn't boring while you wait for the final showdown.
>>81314193
And no China whatsoever.
>>81314294
Yeah maybe not "fun" but I meant entertaining.
>>81313425
This. literally the only hype moment was the WW appearance.
>>81300075
>All this butthurt over an elseworlds
Fucking casuals
>>81310862
>Bruce has a somewhat legitimate reason for fearing Clark, as he saw the damage done in Metropolis during the Zod fight and all the horrors it brought.
Thats just typical Batman. Sees how powerful someone is and gets ready incase he has to fight them. However someone breaking something one time isn't enough reason alone to go after them rightaway, would have to continue destroying things again and again to actually go fight them.
>Clark isforced to fight Bruce by order of Lex Luthor, who is holding Martha Kent hostage.Clark tries to explain the situation to Bruce, but Bruce only wants to fight as he sees Superman as nothing but a menace over the course of a few false flag attacks set up by Luthor.
Someone tries to explain something to Batman, and Batman doesn't listen? Yeah, not buying that one.
Even with false flags, Batman would atleast listen and come up with a backup plan.
>I liked the jar of piss
I got a jar of dirt!
I just wish we had a /cape/ so we didn't have to fill /co/ up with this shithouse movie, it's not a comic book or a cartoon, it's a live action movie and it really shouldn't be here.
>>81312375
The DCAU version was awful. He was a boring boyscout, he was Superman as understood by people that have never read about Superman. To say nothing of how much he jobbed to complete nobodies. Nostalgia is the only reason people give him a pass.
>>81300075
>tfw it would've been a literal better movie if they'd adapted the par-for-the-course plot of the 90s animated series
>>81311552
>>81312815
>c-c-c-composition and construction matter?
>w-w-w-wr-writer IS king?
>>81303753
>but it’s pretty much the opposite of mindless entertainment
BvS is akin to someone giving a speech and using big words but using them out of the proper context and pronouncing them badly.
It's not even quasi-cerebral. It's like all they need is bad lighting, a ponderous soundtrack and everyone scowling and DC fans really believe they are watching something profound.
>>81311461
Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 had good moments and the framework for a great film was there, a few editing choices and minor decisions could have made them great movies. You could literally tack on 10 minutes of blow-out CGI suit fighting at the end of Iron Man 2 and make it a solid film.
Replace 15 minutes of slapstick in Thor 2 with the Norns and Malekith build up and it's a pretty damn entertaining movie that already has a great fight finale.
BatmanVSuperman just needs to be razed to the ground. It's one unfortunate decision piled atop another, awful characterization, and a story that seems like a rushed patchwork of 3 minute commercials for other movies.
Does anybody get the feeling that Snyder has only read The Dark Knight Returns, and skipped the majority of the text at that?
>>81316734
yeah
>>81316734
I got the feeling that Snyder watched Goyer re-enact TDKR with action figures and went from there.
>>81316830
>Goyer re-enact TDKR with action figures
In all honesty, that probably would have been better than BvS.
>>81303753
>>81303753
>but it’s pretty much the opposite of mindless entertainment
Pretty much in the sense that it's not terribly entertaining, just mindless.
>>81310890
I'm legitimately curious how Batman Forever and Batman and Robin would be received if they came out today.
Say what you will about the film as a whole, you can't deny it had some amazing kino scenes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br3ZQDo6nBw
>>81317224
It's as if Snyder is incapable of anything but visuals.
>>81303753
Marx said it best when if you want to sound smart you use big words.
Marvel movies aren't like 'Citizen Kane' or 'Patton' but what they are is what they do best: portal the comic book characters to the best of their abilities.
We can't say that about DC and WB, because WB puts it's fingers in the process and not let DC do what they need to do.
But whatever, i guess it's "3deep5me" .
>>81311713
True, in MoS they should have cut out the Krypton mini-movie.
MoS:
>queue exploding planet with penis ship sailing into Earth
>clark gets adopted
>shows clark in school being bullied for being a nerd since pa told him he had to hide his powers
>saves a bus with his powers and people start question what happened since no one remembers save for a random redhead name Alex
>time skip clark graduates high school, but pa ends up having a heart attack since he's old
>in his grief he ends up wrecking a football stadium, to show he has human emotions, then ends up leaving
>queue rescuing people montage as just a red and blue blur
>suddenly zod comes to Earth, demanding they hand over the kryptonian
>since clark hasnt gone public he has to decide whether to accept his destiny and the suit or just hide
>queue Pa Kent's words, "You can be their hero Clark, in this dark world you can be their Light and lead them into a Golden Age"
>>81317429
>clark goes to get help from a hologram of Jor-El, who gives Supes a device to throw Zod in the phantom zone
>as Zod and Co. descend from their ship Superman comes out to face them
>Clark dispatches the two lackeys easily since they're just mooks in armor
>but zod is a general and knows how the yellow sun affects krpytonians, so he sheds his armor but doesnt expect the whole overload of power
>using this, Clark takes Zod out to a desolate desert in Africa so no one innocent gets harmed
>queue super fight, they are evenly matched, experience vs power, day vs night, etc.
>zod ends up getting the upper hand and flies off to find some humans so he can bait clark
>happens to find bruce wayne and some wayne tech employees golfing or some shit
>goes to attack them but Clark comes up behind him and does some brutal limb breaking, and shoves zod's face into the ground so he cant laser people
>Zod is pissed and clark knocks him out before Clark takes his body and his goons and sends them to the Zone
>unbeknowst to clark, Alex Luthor obtained a sample of his DNA where blood was shed and plans to use it for nefarious
>>81310890
>Thor at 77%
wat
>>81317429
>>81317466
But Zod was the main character of MoS. The Krypton mini-movie was necessary for his characterization.
>>81317333
>portray
My bad.
And just to be clear, I consider myself a fan of DC, not like super big fan, but still like it more than marvel.
>>81317429
>>81317466
Why does Jonathan have to be dead?
Why do we need the AI ghost of Jor-El?
How does he get Zod to the desolate desert?
>>81303616
>fat bat
>stubby ears
>black belt instead of yellow
There's a few differences
>>81310890
>RT
Do you understand anything?
>>81317677
It's actually yellow.
>>81317777
Do you?
With how Snyder did Watchmen, I would've expected him to do better by directing a movie for The Question. It has all the premise for dark, gritty, and not much fun. Then if he wanted to keep driving the DCCU truck into Depression Ditch, he could tie in Question with Deadman, John Constantine, Huntress, and the like. Then make Justice League Dark.
Thoughts?
>>81301602
>make a shit movie
>claim only smart people will understand and like said movie
>get plenty of idiots to watch and pretend to have enjoyed the movie just to feel smart
Genius
>>81319027
The emperor has no clothes!
>>81318869
if you EVER let Snyder within twenty meters of a Constantine production I will come to your house and I will cut you
>>81319052
yes
>>81318869
I ship it. A match made in heaven. My true OTP.
>>81318869
>Zack Snyder on the Question
Fucking why would you put Mr. Style Over Substance on a character that requires a subtle movie?
And could you seriously imagine the Question beating up some dudes in a ridiculous, overblown, slow motion fight scene?
>>81307444
I feel like everyone just keeps parroting the same complaints without realizing how wrong they are.
>>81319226
maybe.
would it help if we put some squigglies on his mask?
>>81319052
What a fucking moron. Your puny mind just can't comprehend how fine the fibers are. If you had a decent education you would fucking know that.
>>81310890
>Those shitty Marvel characters
How's DC doing bad against those losers?. You have Supes, Bats and Wondy for Christ sake.
>>81319296
If you ever bring up the movie Rorschach in my presence again I will sternly reprimand you.
>>81319354
ANTS > Batslaughter and Man of Murder
Deal with it
>>81310890
>Batman Forever is better than Batman v Superman
lel
>>81315009
Fuck off, furfag. You and the obsessed Zootopia dorks are the new Frozen General.
>>81300724
>cuck
>>>/tv/
![[Ehnts Intensifies].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/N19Hlrc.jpg "[Ehnts Intensifies].jpg")
>>81319354
Marvel's symbol means something to people. When they see that during the opening of a movie, they know they're at least gonna enjoy themselves.
Marvel has gotten to this point from years of hard work, and they've done so with relatively obscure characters and (mostly) quality movies.
>>81319354
>Wonder Woman is a good character
It's time to face the fact that no one gives a fuck about Wonder Woman. A lot of people THINK they care about her because "Muh big 3 female superhero!" but they really fucking don't.
The fact that people have HEARD of her doesn't mean they care or know shit about her. Do you think that the average pseudo aware casual who can name-check the most iconic Batman and Superman stories can name a single Wonder Woman story? Do you think they can even name a single Wonder Woman villain, except maybe one of the ones that is just a Greek Mythological character.
On that note, why the fuck did they feel they needed to set up the Batman origin story in this movie? Literally EVERYONE in the Western world knows it and they could have spent that time doing Wonder Woman's origin, something which might actually have helped some casuals.
>>81319663
Shit man, I've read a good amount of comic books, and I know fuck-all about Wonder Woman.
It's funny, I saw BvS, then Zootopia pretty much back to back. And while both have good setup for the overall theme and seem like they're going somewhere with it, only Zootopia bothered to follow through and conclude the overall idea of the movie, whereas BvS kind of just outright forgot where it was going.
Also this is by far the worst incarnation of Lois Lane ever.
>>81307277
quality post
>>81300075
Whenever I see someone complain about BvS like this I can't help but imagine they suffer from short term memory loss and immediately after posting this they're going to go make a new thread. I hope you're okay OP.
>>81319823
I'm pretty much on the cartoon side of /co/ so I don't know much either. All that comes to mind when I think "Wonder Woman" are
>lasso of truth
>invisible plane
>flies(?)
>may or may not be as strong as Superman
>muh empowerment
>>81312262
>>81319569
But he's not wrong. I wish that these kinds of threads were on /tv/, good or bad. /co/ has enough shit to talk about as is.
>>81319354
Not only DC. Sony and Fox took the best from Marvel, and still they aren't doing as well as Disney.
>>81301602
>all the replies to this post
/co/ absolutely obliterated
>>81320025
Oh quite simply, Disney let's Marvel do whatever.
DC doesn't get that luxury.
>>81319826
>Also this is by far the worst incarnation of Jimmy Olsen ever.
FTFY
>>81319663
>On that note, why the fuck did they feel they needed to set up the Batman origin story in this movie?
Yeah, I didn't like this. At the very start of the film I was already annoyed.
>>81320305
Because it was a different origin story?
Thomas Wayne didn't die until Superman and Zod crashed through Wayne Tower during MoS. Batman was shouting "Dad" on the phone.
>>81320222
Buck Olsen from Supergirl still exists.
>>81302338
>Caring about I.Q.
>>81320426
>This level of stupidity
Reading this gave me the anti-life equation
>>81320426
>>81320679
That's not the anti-life equation Darkseid, that's just cancer.
>>81301602
>DC is so ashamed that it's making comic movies it sucks all the fun, likability and levity from them Producing dull drably colored shitpiles
>Has the gall to claim 2deep4U
You're as deep as a puddle in the Sahara, DC
>>81320426
Dude are you high
>>81319354
>Iconic means good
No one gives 2shits about wonder woman
No one knows what it's like
To be the Batman
To be the sad man
Behind this chin
No one knows what it's like
To be hated
To be berated
My capeshit's bombed again
But my memes
They aren't as empty
As Lex Luthor's jar of pee
I see reviews, only Rotten
I will have vengeance
On WB
>>81300075
They should have made One punch man V Superman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AheUrcMuMvc
>>81305288
>As a Marvel fag I found it odd that Batman refused to listen to Superman when he asked for help, twice.
The point was that Batman had fallen from grace. The compounding of 20 years of dealing with Gotham, the loss of Robin and then the destruction of his building in MoS had pushed him over the edge. He was not the man he had promised his parents he would be. Superman ultimately redeemed him.
You're welcome.
what was the point of establishing that Supes hates Batman? He just comes off as a huge hypocrite. Why not just have Batman steal the kryptonite in that action scene, have a scene where you make it known Supes knows who Batman is, and then just leave it at that?
>>81320305
They wanted to namedrop Martha a couple of times.
>>81321693
Wow this was better than BvS
>>81315167
>To say nothing of how much he jobbed to complete nobodies.
Wasn't that true of pretty much everybody in the DCAU? Way I remember it, powerlevels were relatively low pretty much across the board.
>>81321578
Underrated song. Good tase.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/03/11/inside-chris-terrios-vision-for-batman-superman-and-justice-league/
