Animators do stuff like this in their spare time for free, why can't we get any good animation for TV like this with a budget? People are already basically doing animation with storyboards anyway, and it's still stiff as fuck.
>>81273992
Because Japan hates us and will never do stuff for us again
>inb4 delusional TMSfag
>>81273992
It's highly likely that the animation in OP was not produced very quickly.
>>81273992
oh great, not this animation again. the fuck is weong with you /co/mblr?
>>81274110
Viv animates pretty fast. She uploads a new animation like, every other week. And that's one person, outsourced studios have a team.
Dear lord I have seen this same fucking thing for days now.
You've already been told the animation wasn't bad but wasn't particularly good either.
Many Anons straight out said that it wasn't particularly good. Many Anons detailed things about the animation itself that they saw that classified it as not that amazing.
>Shoulders never relax
>Neck-snapping movements ALWAYS
>Sharpness of all angles all the fucking time
>no soft movements
>etc
Get something else to talk about already. Why not talk about interesting story-boarding for a new cartoon character? Why not find something from Deviant Art that is actually original? (That is a hefty suggestion, I know, but it's not impossible.)
Why not even talk about how the art for Calvin and Hobbes showed some interesting variations of work on the part of the author?
>pic VERY related.
Give us SOMETHING else, m8.
I'm just so tired of seeing the same damn thing every day.
>>81274154
>Point still stands to pick any 2
I'm not >>81274110 but that animation isn't actually all that good either.
>>81274343
they can't anon, they're kids, don't know about old stuff
>>81274343
Then make your own thread, nigger. You can literally copy paste this into any thread and it still rings true. We have 10 "pick your waifu/is she cute" threads, you ain't bitching in those.
>>81274110
This chart doesn't work if you apply anything sexual to it
>>81274498
But she's fucking huge.
>>81274626For you.
>>81273992
>Animators do stuff like this in their spare time for free, why can't we get any good animation for TV like this with a budget?
I hope you realize you're thinking completely backwards here
Solo animators get to take as much time as they need to get the quality they desire. It can take months or close to a year to pop out a short quality animation depending on the rest of their lives.
Not only are animated series far more numerous in individual animations with those animations being generally longer as well, but they're expected to be completed in a timely fashion, thus need a whole hell of a lot more people to work on it. Which cost money, along with all the other costs
>>81274498
Yeah, she's a little huge.
>>81275103
that only makes it better desu
>>81274143
The problem with /co/ is newfriends using buzzwords and silly phrases to try and fit in when they have no idea what they're talking about.
>>81274154
>animation
She'll upload a speeddraw or a personal video that often but her animations are usually posted months apart and1587 incomplete.
eleven feet
God, I hate furries. That's one of the ugliest designs I've ever seen. Why is it always some sort of blue wolf? Why does it have two toned anime hair and 20 piercings? Fucking furries
>>81274626All the better
>>81274498
>putting your dick in sparkle dogs
>>81277860
she's not a sparkledog
>>81278550
She's just shit, then
>>81274626
more to love
post the keshawolf lewds
>>81273992
>Animators do stuff like this in their spare time for free
Which means that they have no scheduel to adhear to, which means that they can spend an entire day doing just one second of animation if they wanted. That doesn't fly with an actual production.
>why can't we get any good animation for TV like this with a budget?
Because the budget simply won't allow for it, it would quite simply, cost too much fucking money.
>>81281880
What exactly is wrong here? This is equal to writing fan letters to someone you admire.
>>81274626
>>81282147
that's some shit tier taste anon
Oh cool this thread again. Can we skip to the part where were you guys post your own stuff?
>>81282495
We have an animation creation thread up right now and absolutely no one is posting in it. Sorry you would rather have a second dead /ic/ board than shitposting /co/ but c'est la vie.
>>81282543
Can you point me to the thread? Didn't know someone put one up.
>>81282659
Kind of wish it was more of a general animation thread instead of that just that program but I guess that's fine.
>>81273992
Didn't that music video take over the course of a year to make?
>>81282792
Well make it then!
>>81282792
I'm sure you can post your own non Open Toonz work, the thread is pretty inactive, I don't think people will care.
>>81278550
She literally is.
>>81273992
because in person they are weird as fuck
>>81277860
The problem with sparkle dogs is that you know their creator is ugly as sin.
Only fuggly people draw sparkle dogs. It's a form of over compensation.
Why can't we just go back to the old days of Captain pronin?
>>81282543
Who even goes on /ic/ anymore?
>>81283781
You have pussy?
>>81273992
I've never finished that video. Way too much going on for me to pay attention to, I don't like the colors, and I fucking hate that shitty song.
But that is all my feelings.
>>81283079
the animator's getting hated on?
>>81273992
OP, I can't draw.
I can't. I can't make a stick figure consistently, and I'm leagues away from ever being able to animate even a basic bouncing ball, nonetheless a dancing werewolf.
Viv is, and likely will always be, a better artist than me.
Her animation isn't very good.
It's not the worst thing ever. It isn't even novice. It's just sloppy for an animation grad student. I would rather a shorter animation, such as just a clip of the song, that is done with the level of attention to detail I know she is capable of than a full song that is this sloppy. Stiff animation, missing body parts in scenes of the video, funky anatomy. The list goes on.
Viv is not the best animator on Youtube. She's probably not even the best animator to graduate from her college.
But she knows how to get popular, and marketability is important. She's more sizzle than steak, though, at least compared to her peers in both animation and traditional artwork.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJQAgBPBSA
>>81287298
>But she knows how to get popular
Yeah, furries, fanart, and anime. It's a cheap easy way to get a big audience.
Just draw any of the following consistently and you'll be popular:
>Steven Universe
>Homestuck
>Undertale
>Kill La Kill
>Animal Crossing
>Pokemon
>Flavor of the Month franchise, in this case, Zootopia
You don't even have to be good. Just consistent.
http://radicalseabies.tumblr.com/tagged/my%20art
I shit you not.
It's okay at best, but I can at least tell she put her heart into it
Also the only Ke$ha song I ever enjoyed
>>81273992
Guarantee you that two second clip took a month to make.
>>81273992
How good or not this actually is aside animators do this in their spare time for fun they enjoy and give a crap about it instead of cranking out what they think and often is utter shit because they need to to survive because it's their fucking job. That makes a big difference.
>>81273992
>Animators do stuff like this in their spare time for free,
It's not that simple, that girl did it to put in her portfolio.
It's not as simple as "let's spend a year doing some bullshit", there was a clear intent to get work as an animator using it.
>>81288943
What's the point when she's going to be using tweens in real work anyways?
>>81273992
>Animators do stuff like this in their spare time for free
No they don't. They get paid to do it at work and are encouraged to have their own lives to avoid being toxic at work.
OPs animation is her portfolio and she's not working in the industry because the people who would hire her read the animation and base her on it.
>She wouldn't work well with a team.
Didn't ever ask herself or others if her animation was a good idea.
>Integrate well with other employees.
Imagine being a normalfag and having to sit beside "omg did u c my oc yet?" AM to late PM.
>Be worth training.
she went to college for this and doesn't have the basics down.
>Due to the above, aren't willing to sink 3 months of salary to test her work ethic
If you even get to the interview you're basically already hired unless you show the employer that you're a fucking sperg, stink and cannot be a normalfag around others. People don't need 2-3 years experience, that's just to keep the autists out with their "I have a great idea and here's my 2 second character throw animation."
>>81291978
>If you even get to the interview you're basically already hired
This is so wrong holy shit. Maybe if it's a tiny studio with two or three applicants, but no. No not at fucking all.
>Equipment
>>81292195
ain't cheap
>>81292213
>ToonBoom + 3d plugins
>Adobe After effects
>Zbrush
>Fl Studio
And an Apple comp
>>81292095
You're not going to get called in for an interview unless they're 75% sure you're the one for the job. The animation industry is small and everybody knows everybody, nepotism is strong and most companies only glance over the resume.
>>81292872
I have and currently am applying to studios and have had to do quite a few interviews with bigger studios. It works in these ways:
>They're personally interested in your work because of something you've did whether it be a comic and ask you to do a test concept to see if you've got the art chops. These people almost never get interviewed, the studio has decided they like them already.
>Your name gets mentioned through the grapevine whether through connections, such as being friends, knowing someone personal upstairs, etc and you apply for a private interview. This is a formality and more so a higher up can be introduced to you in person for the first time, there's still a 50-50 chance you will get rejected simply because they might not be interested in you or even need you right now. It's less an interview and more of a meet n' greet. But you will be in their minds at least.
>Application based which are extremely competitive. They will ask quite a few artists to come in because why limit themselves to just two or three applicants when they get hundreds a day? This is where they try to figure out your personality, goal, interests, and if you're a fit match, the actual interviews.
The only people "guaranteed" for the job are the ones the studio approaches themselves. Everyone else has a mid-to-high chance of being rejected.
OP, I don't think you understand anything about animation. Someone making a smoothly animated 2 minute long video privately over several years doesn't translate to making you a cartoon series animated completes on 1s.
>>81293060
>>81293141
>i-it's a homage!
>>81293217
http://badwebcomicswikiforum.yuku.com/reply/8573/Zoophobia#reply-8573
>>81274110
What if there was like this really bored billionaire, who had done it all, and seen it all. --All except for a competently paid animation industry, putting out amazingly animated and written cartoon, in an industry suddenly driven by meritocracy.
Wouldn't that be great
>>81274040
They didn't begin hating us.
We stopped being able to afford them.
>>81276689
Yeah, like using "newfriend" instead of newfag because you bought into the "only newfags say newfag" meme.
damn you people really have no life
>>81293012
How long have you been applying to studios and what's your reel consist of?
>>81294002
Not him but how are you so knowledgable about the animation industry especially accepting interviews and resumes?
>>81273992
>why can't we get any good animation for TV like this with a budget
I don't want weightless student animation any more than I want cheap ass flash tweening.
>>81295088
I'm getting a job right out of college in a few months, my friends before me got jobs through these instructors (no less than 9 people that I directly know). What I told you guys is what I just hear and see from my area.
Maybe it's a Vancouver thing since US exports their animations to Canada and Korea.
>>81273992
>>81275103
Dont know why, but I wanna fuck this bitch senseless.
I want to beat that pussy and have Gordon Ramsey come in and complain how FUCKING RAW it is.
>>81293141
Wait, what's this from?
>>81293141
>TOTAALLY a wipoff Gaaaaiiis
>Its Always the worst scenarrriiiooouuu Gaaaasaaiiiiis
>>81295464
Eleven feet of party animal
>>81293141
it's a sick reference broski
>>81293326
How do we get billionaires interested in animation
>>81293141
i don't know moving back and forth was trademarked
>>81273992
This looks like shit
>>81287478
>Monkey rag
Isn't that what they call a sock they jerk off into?
>>81293141
That doesn't look like tracing. Clearly referenced though.
>Would be animators
>Not realizing that if they become professionals all they will do is make design and people in Best Korea will actually do the work.
Haha, that doesn't seem right.
>>81274154
who´s viv? i never heard of her
>>81293141
God, I hate her style.
It's more John K. than John K., neonbright shit that doesn't flow natural enough to be considered good. It's all just shiny and stretchy.
>>81299206
Then they should get a real job :^)
>>81283541
she looks pretty cute
>>81298200
It's not. tracing is on the other hand
>>81283781
Ah, the wild 90's... Maybe once communism collapses in Cuba we'll get something similar.
>>81293141
That's not what tracing means.
>>81283079
Yeah.
I know that she has a bit of DeviantArt-tier drama in her history, but Viv strikes me as a pretty decent creator that is genuinely trying to improve her work. The worst thing you can say about her is that she's slightly overrated. Outside of that, she's a young artist that is still trying to figure out animation and character designs that work.
...Aaand her writing is real high school-tier stuff. Her best work comes from the dialogue-absent short animations she's done with simple stories.
>>81299521
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzfyYtgvkx5mLy8nlLlayYg
Here's her youtube
>>81299206
Actually they'd be doing the key frames, and the real important animations. When the quality of the animation shifts up for like a big fight scene or something then that's the initial studio's work, not the outsourced studio.
>>81294002
Three years out of school, two years during school for internship positions. My demo reel used to be anything that consisted of acting. Characters hugging, arguing, any lip sync, someone rushing because they were late for something. It was mostly college exercises and anything from my assignment films.
I stopped updating it once I graduated because only commercial studios are really looking for animators, and those have been my main jobs. Some of my first assignments as an intern was doing layouts and character design and then I just kept getting more freelance work from the same people for those, so I guess I've shifted in departments. My most stable work has been for small studios whereas every now and then I'll get something from a big studio who needs to meet a deadline so they'll call me in to quickly revise storyboards or color something. Those are maybe 1 - 2 month job positions. Sometimes as few as two weeks if I work remote.
>>81300184
>that is genuinely trying to improve her work.
She's literally been drawing the same way for like, four years now. She has received way more than enough legit criticism that we should be seeing some improvement but we're not. She peaked and just sat there. She basically entered college drawing the same and left it the same. Just look at her sketchbook video from FRESHMAN YEAR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x2nTiGd11c
>>81293141
It's not tracing but that doesn't make it any better. If you're going to reference something frame-by-frame, at least be just as good.
Me!^3 was beautifully animated.
>>81293141
>
My god that is a punchable face.
>>81275103
The charadesign is.. uuurgh.
>>81273992
>>81302349
I kind of really dislike her character designs. They're so deviantart. She can still draw better than I ever could, but still.
>>81273992
Someone has to pay for it anon.
Then you have other shit like
>Executive meddling assuming all cartoons are meant to be cheap Hanna Barbara shit for kids
>Meddling in they have to sell a toy
>They have to have a moral
>They have to teach a lesson
>They have to be relatable
>They have to be inoffensive
>They have to come in under a budget lower than any live show
>They have to get the ratings
Sometimes "in their spare time" is the only time they actually get to be creative
