why dont movies have multiple directors filming parts that fit their strengths?
why do they leave an entire film up to one man?
a movie (such as a cape film) should be written and directed by several people... not just one voice
>>81221324
That's retarded as fuck. You should stick to reading capeshit and keep your mongoloid opinions to yourself
>>81221377
thanks for the advice 10/10
>>81221324
too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the broth
>>81221324
>how to make a mess of a movie 101
>>81221324
Wave goodbye to consistent tone and feel
>>81221440
>>81221407
>>81221406
i think you guys are wrong
remember breaking bad?
its not like they are switching out actors
as long as the writers room stays the same (With a large group of people)
anyone remember kevin smith talking about what went on when he was writing the superman script?
>>81221324
There are strengths to both approaches, usually though movies that are mainly driven by a single vision stand-out more, when you have multiple people handling stuff you risk it becoming a disjointed mess.
Hey let's take a job that one person can and has done perfectly fine since it's creation and have five people do that work and make it into one production but instead of one person doing things certain people won't like we'll have five times that.
>>81221483
someone had to have veto power
>>81221483
breaking bad had the same writer the whole way through and he ended up basically being director
also a tv show isn't comparable to a movie
>>81221324
>implying snyder can do anything right
>all that unnecessary slomo
>that last fight was basically a seizure
#firesnyder
>>81221515
i bet b v s would have been better for it
prove me wrong
pro tip you cant little bitch faggot im right marvel forever
>>81221324
I think what you should be asking is, "Why is Zack Synder given a director's chair when he's more suited to action directing or visual effects shots?" He should not be sitting in the big chair making all the decisions. He's clearly not suited for it.
You're insanely stupid if you think everything was done by one guy.
It had 13 producers, co-producers and executive producers, all of whom had some input on the movie.
The script is credited to David S. Goyer and Chris Terrio, and we know Snyder, Affleck and many, many other people all helped to make it the finished product.
Editing and cinematography were both done by different people.
No less than 3 people were responsible for casting.
Visual effects were done by an enormous crew of artists, technicians, and directors.
Do you know what the director actually does? He's in charge of making sure all these people work together. He doesn't make all the decisions himself and then get a bunch of people to make it for him. They do the creative part BASED ON his ideas, but also put a lot of their own ideas in and bring it back to him. When people bring him something that fits his vision he approves it and it gets in the movie.
The director is like the President of the USA, he doesn't actually DO all that much himself. He helms the ship and sets the general direction, and picks the right people to work with, and all together they work to fulfill a mutual goal.
Sometimes you have a visionary director who takes a lot more personal control over all this stuff, but that really doesn't happen on movies of this size, because it's basically impossible.
And let's not forget that the product that Snyder delivers to the producers is not what we see later on. The studios have their own editors, effects companies and crews to recut the film to how the executives want it.
This is the whole reason director's cuts exist. They represent what the director sent to the producers, not what the producers put into theaters.
>>81221324
>why dont movies have multiple directors filming parts that fit their strengths?
They often do. Movies, especially huge ones with multiple locations, are broken down into units and may have separate people in charge, even if one is nominally the actual director.
As to why movies generally are regarded as having one director, read up on auteur theory. It's pretty much dominated film as a medium for the better part of its existence.
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>>81221609
this was solid
what went wrong then??
having that many people involved and this film turned out like that?
is hollywood just filled with warm smiled jackass' worrying about the next party get together they are going to have than the actual craft thats making them the money?
>>81221686
Who the fuck knows what went wrong? That's the problem, you can't just narrow it down to one thing. I wanna still say Goyer's script was trash since he ruined Man of Steel and TDKR but it was heavily rewritten by Terrio and Affleck who are good writers.
Wrong director? Executive meddling? Casting full of people who were owed favors? It could be any number of things.
As someone else mentioned look at that talk Kevin Smith gave about Superman Lives, or watch the documentary on it, to see just how ungodly retarded producers and executives are. Or listen to Louis CK talk about Pootytang. I'm about 90% sure Ant-Man was ruined by executives, too.
It's the same as with everything else these days, committees and focus testing causes everything to get gutted and reassembled to offend as few people as possible and appeal to the lowest common denominator.Personally I actually liked the movie, and think maybe part of what was wrong was it WASN'T made bland and safe enough for general audiences, which is what superhero movie fans expect. They want Iron Man and the Avengers and when something isn't that they lose interest and hate the movie
>>81221406
Jack of all trades, master of none
>>81221324
That's fucking regression
Even TV shows are more and more having only one director doing all the episodes these days. Too many cooks etc.
>>81221324
>what are assistant directors
>>81221822
yorue a smart man
>>81221324
Because, even though that could work in some instances, it's just as likely to create mass inconsistency through out the production. Also, that's two to three times as much money as would normally be spent on a director.
>>81221324
>>>/tv/
Just saying "such as a cape film" does not make this /co/.
>>81221324
You mean like based Russos?
>>81222391
I don't trust them
>>81222391
thats why i trust them
>>81222505
civil war will be their proving ground for the non believers
just wait for that miracle to be shown
>>81221822
Well, some of its flaws are Snyner's usual flaws. Sequence of scenes in a chronological order but without forward momentum for the first half of the movie, is one. It was the case in Sucker Punch and Mos.
Lack of variation in intensity in action scenes is another. Every action scenes is at the maximum level of intensity. There's no progression and thus after a few, they end up lacking weight, just unengaging destruction porn. And it's even stronger when there's no peaceful scenes in between action scenes.
>>81221324
Its hard enough for 1 director, producers, and the brand to agree. You want to add more people to the mix? It will be a huge disjointed clusterfuck that will take extra long to produce.
>>81221483
>remember breaking bad?
Had a showrunner named Vince Gilligan.
>>81221822
>I'm about 90% sure Ant-Man was ruined by executives, too.
Ant-Man was fine. Wright had spent eight years on a script that was still bare bones, and no longer resembled an adaptation of the comics.
Peyton Reed's contributions filled out the film and made it better than what Wright was planning.
>>81221324
Directors are paid a lot usually.
It's cheaper with one guy.
>>81223924
>Ant-Man was fine.
The funny moments were funny and there was some good visual ideas (the first time the main character puts on the suit and the final action scene). The best way to describe the characters, their relationships and the plot to me is functional. The movie was entertaining but it aimed at not being bad rather than being good.
What I like the most are the 2 Luis' voice-over scenes so I doubt Peyton Reed made it a better movie. He made it a complete movie but a lot of it is not that interesting.
>>81221822
maybe that spoiler is part of why i'm actually into it
usually don't feel anything at these things, hell, it's the only hero movie i am fully into now
>>81221324
Honestly, i don't know. Having certain directors do certain things, say an action director, drama director, etc, would make for a far better film in many cases, as long as the two collaborate properly and don't just make two different films spliced together
>>81224198
>there was some good visual ideas (the first time the main character puts on the suit and the final action scene)
What, nothing about the microverse?
>>81221551
Oh so you're a shill. Now it all makes sense.
>>81221324
It's been done before. And it was wonderful.
>>81224436
It was okay, nothing special. And honestly it breaks the science of the movie for me. I thought the pym particle or whatever shrink people and thing by reducing the distances between atoms and inside atoms, the distances between electrons and the nucleus. You know, the whole you can put every atoms of the universe in a thimble if you remove the space in betwwen. And he shrinks so much that he goes smaller that atoms...
has any actor ever said how it is working with Snyder? and I don't mean the "he is the best director I've worked with" usual bullshit talk but really talking about the good and bad sides of his skills.
>>81221324
Do you not understand a single aspect of filmmaking?
Who am I kidding, you're a capeshit viewer!
The Russos and Lord and Miller are recent freak exceptions dummy
>>81226708
People in Hollywood are reluctant to throw anyone under the bus. You never know if you might have to work with them again. Who knows, if the DC movies become juggernauts Snyder might rise higher in the ranks at WB, then you don't want to be the guy who questioned his directing skills years ago and now can't get any work.
Since it's been mentioned a few times, here's Kevin Smith's story on his time working with producer Jon Peters on Superman Lives. It's long, about 20 minutes, but very worth it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOwJaAQtOa8
Bendis' Fortune and Glory is another fun look into the wacky world of Hollywood.
Neil Gaiman and McFeely/Marcus on script writing duty
Snyder for cinematography.
Russos for general direction.
Favreau for humor
Wheadon for interpersonal conflicts
Feige to manage the egos.
Bring on Mark Waid, Grant Morrison, Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, Geoff Johns, Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, Greg Rucka, and Jim Starlin as consulting producers for every step of the script.
>>81221324
>>81221377
It's actually what second unit directors do, whether they're directing live-action or model or effects or CGI sequences. In some cases the fight/dance choreographer is basically directing scenes, and it's common for these types of specialists to gain second unit director status on a shoot that is particularly complex. There is no guild for second unit directors, and their appointment is basically the choice of the director.
The entire film is never "up to one man". It's a group effort that relies on all kinds of people, most of whom are below the line and never really recognized for their contributions.
>>81227011
You mean not just one person fucked up BvS but hundreds did. Hundreds of people could have stopped this.
>>81221822
>Ant Man
>ruined
What? And why do you guys always say Goyer is pure shit? He's done plenty of good films and is a large reason why comic films are even viable today thanks to Blade which showed execs comic adaptations are profitable agaib
>>81221324
He doesnt need to be a director. Directors should be good at every part of filming a movie.
He needs tobe a cinematographer and kept as far away from another script as possible. Say what you want about the hack he knows action.
>>81221822
>Personally I actually liked the movie, and think maybe part of what was wrong was it WASN'T made bland and safe enough for general audiences, which is what superhero movie fans expect. They want Iron Man and the Avengers and when something isn't that they lose interest and hate the movie
I sort of agree with you and sort of don't. I also enjoyed the movie overall, but I'm aware that I'm better at extrapolating what could have been than most people. I think that the tone was a bit too overall grim for Superman and the action a bit too bland (though I've always been a fan of how powerful Snyder makes his superhuman characters appear). In addition, to someone who hasn't been following the entire production of the film/characters in the comics, a lot of the plot elements would be needlessly confusing, I think.
Now, one part that I did enjoy a lot more than I expected was Lex. He wasn't 'muh Lex' but I found him to be a very enjoyable character overall; my only issue with him is that his speech at the end of film about Darkseid comes out of nowhere a bit.
>>81226952
>Snyder for cinematography.
Honestly, you could just hire Larry Fong for cinematography
But I think that this proposal would be a case of too many cooks, especially with all those guys as consultants. The reason for a single director is that you need an overall consistent vision in a film. As bad as you may find BvS or Age of Ultron, at least they aren't tonally schizophrenic.
>>81227091
Yep
>>81227251
The studio meddling parts of both make them feel that way. The scenes that are forced in those two movies are more apparent than any other. At least in the others it feels natural.
>>81224198
>>81224436
>>81226188
I don't think anybody needed to see "The Dark Ant Rises"
Ant-Man was about as good as an Ant-Man movie was ever gonna be.
>>81226952
>Neil Gaiman and McFeely/Marcus on script writing duty
Gaiman's American Gods is being adapted for HBO, and he has a newborn son.
The Sandman just lost Joseph Gordon Levitt and brought on a Final Destination writer, so that looks to be shit.
Gaimin would have little interest working for Marvel.
>>81221483
TV shows have something called Showrunners who are like above the director for the episode
>>81227846
The Marvel movies have a guy named Feige
>>81228183
Which is why the directors of Marvel movies dont really matter
>>81221324
>why dont movies have multiple directors filming parts that fit their strengths?
The same reason we don't just elect two presidents.
>>81221324
This isn't even about an adaptation. It's about movies in general. >>>/tv/
>>81228214
I doubt Guardians would have been Guardians without Gunn.
Antman, Iron Man, the Avengers films, all probably would have been the same though.
>>81221324
>>>/tv/
This isn't comic related. This is a film question
>>81227547
Gaiman is working for Marvel right now on Miracleman (though it was recently delayed, I think they said they want enough books in the bank so it can come out regularly).
He's got no beef with them, but he's not the kind of dude who's gonna write Spider-man or X-Men at this point in his career. But if he wanted to do another Eternals or 1602, I don't see why he wouldn't.
>>81228338
>I doubt Guardians would have been Guardians without Gunn.
You mean a generic quipfest in space. Seems like every other marvel movie
>>81221822
Nothing wrong with it being non-bland or non-safe.
Luthor's character was trash in every scene he was in and honestly all of his motivations and machinations come across as jumbled garbage and Superman barely has any presence in the film and as such comes across as a blank character, which really ruins 60% of the film. I know they set up much of his characterization in MoS but lets face it, nobody wants to remember that PoS.
Also, the fucking Batman vs. Superman fight only lasts like 10 minutes, 8 of which is just Batman wailing on Superman like a broken housewife.
Really the key here would be fixing Luthor's characterization and all the shit he does in the film, as well as toning down Snyder's retarded imagery, also, LOIS AND THAT RETARDED BIT WITH THE FUCKING SPEARI honestly expected Aquaman to show up and hand her the spear out of the water when she went back to look for it.
>>81228338
>Antman, Iron Man, the Avengers films, all probably would have been the same though.
The rest probably would be, but the first Iron Man really was creator driven. Hell, they didn't even really have a script, just an outline. Most of it was improv.
Probably why the quipping feels a lot more organic in Iron Man 1 than the others. The rest that stick to the humorous side are trying to take after that style but scripting it, so it doesn't flow as well.
The exception being Guardians, as you said; probably because Gunn's script is more centred on Gunn's style of humour. It's noticeably a bit more puerile than the rest of the Marvel films, I find (for the better).
>>81228563
>that spoiler
I literally thought the exact same thing. I'm glad I'm not the only one.It would have been better than what we got
>>81222505
I've seen their work in Community and Arrested Development, and I can say they can handle and balance multiple characters. Then again, those are tv shows and cw is bigger in scope with a bigger chance of meddling/focus groups.
>>81227091
Yes and no. There's a hierarchy on a movie set. You don't talk shit to the director, except if you're the actor whose name will bring a big part of the audience. You can propose idea and the director and producers do what they want with it.
>>81227482
I didn't either. But it was too safe to be a lot more than average. Enjoyable and very forgettable.
It'd cause movies to have really shitty tempo
>>81226952
>Marc Guggenheim
His comic works are terrible.
As for his tv work, I would attribute any quality from the tv shows he worked on to other people editing his stupid shit out.
>>81227092
>And why do you guys always say Goyer is pure shit?
Google, "goyer she hulk martian manhunter."
