http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/warner-bros-gloats-as-batman-v-superman-fends-off-dismal-reviews/
>“There is no question this is an extraordinary achievement,” WB’s domestic distribution chief Jeff Goldstein said. “Clearly, audiences have embraced it and we are already seeing repeat business. It’s just fun. Often, there’s a disconnect between critics and audiences. It doesn’t take itself seriously. It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies.”
>Goldstein
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
>>81220329
>It's just fun
>this really was an attempt at being Marvel
>>81220329
They said the same shit about Man of Steel, the same exact shit about "critics and audiences" during their opening weekend.
Then the word of mouth kept it from making any money beyond that.
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously. It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies.
Isn't this the movie that exec's thought would be 'too smart' for audiences?
>>81220329
>It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies
Because when I think enjoyable afternoon, I think Senate bombings, piss jars, and mass murder.
>>81220452
Me too! We should start a club or something!
>>81220329
>It’s just fun
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
they've stooped to trying to trick people into thinking it'll be like a Marvel movie because the grimdark isn't pulling in the money
fucking unbelievable
>ring ring
>chhk
>"Hello you've reached Ben, leave a message and I'll get back to you."
>beep
>'Y-yeah, yeah hello, Ben. This is Zack ehhh, oh damn what's the name... oh yeah; Zack Snyder, ya know. Uhh, well, I- Ben, Ben? I mean ya know, it's making a lotta money, so, so that's good. The r-reviews, ahh I forgeh- forget abo-bout em.... whaddya need em for? Warner Bros, well, hey ya know, a heh heh, well they're breathing down my neck, ya know, not what they expected and stuff, and, and I wanna, I want YOU to know, none of it's your fault, or something. I won't let them hold it against you. But they uhh, they don't want anyone commenting on any of these reviews, or Rotten Tomatoes or any of that... ya know, so they asked me to tell you and Henry and Amy to uh, ya know you're behind it 100%, and I, Ben- Ben, just get back to me OK? OK? I gotta... bye!'
>>81220555
Go back to tv with this.
>>81220452
To be fair, the prime market for the movie is the US, and they have a hardon for such things.
>>81220329
>It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies.”
It was for me, anyway.
>People hated this
>People hated First Avenger
>People hated Iron Man 3
>People hated Age of Ultron
I loved all of the above except Age of Ultron and that wasn't even horrible it was just "okay"
And I thought I was a joyless faggot
>>81220666
I found myself bored and disappointed overall. A few good moments but that's about it.
>>81220683
Every fear I had about the movie was quelled when I actually saw it. The shit that sounded goofy out of context worked.
Only thing I hated was Eisenberg because I'm a huge Lexfag so literally ANY major changes to him will piss me off, but at least he was smart this time around.
>>81220724
>Smart
Explain.
>>81220329
>It’s just fun.
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
>It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies.
Why is he lying?
>>81220329
>It’s just fun.
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
I have never seen someone be so wrong
>>81220752
Well he did orchestrated the whole events behind the movie.
>>81220775
>>81220771
Marketing.
>>81220771
Even WB execs know better than to watch a Snyder flick
>>81220752
>Figures out Clark's identity
>Figures out how to get into the ship
>>81220329
WB executives confirmed for not seeing the movie
>Expecting WB employees to publicly admit that their product is bad.
Not how this has ever worked.
>>81220771
delusion
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
>Super-Alien-Jesus lmao
>Gods and demons lmao
>Repercussion of Superheroes being in real world lmao
>>81220752
He was clearly and undeniably brilliant. The only thing he screwed up was his Batman's gambit falling apart over Bruce getting sentimental. He knew everyone's identities - he even commented about how it was easy to manipulate Bruce with a few returned checks with mean messages.
I really disliked the characterization and the little ticks Eisenberg put into the role, but he was brilliant. Maybe he was being driven mad by Darkseid like he's an Elder God or something.
>>81220775
i had fun
>>81220819
See anon, those aren't quite examples of Lex being intelligent as they are merely plot holes. The movie doesn't show us how or why Lex is able to figure these things out. He just "knows" them because the script said that he knows them. There's nothing really establishing how Lex's character would know how to enter an alien spaceship, how it would know it would rebirth Zod's body, how he would know who Superman's secret identity was, how he would know who Batman's secret identity was, etc. etc. etc. Most good movies will give us at least reasons why characters know things by pointing out their education, events that clued them in on other knowledge, or other groundwork.
>>81220903
I liked his flashes of actual psychosis. Like his speech at the gala starts out with him trying to be charming and funny but then he gets self-absorbed and starts eating himself alive, literally murdering all the hype he'd built before having to leave the stage in a haze of barely concealed embarrassment.LEX IS THE MOVIE
>>81220844
But they gave the movie a standing ovation!
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3452155
>Now, it seems, at least one audience has been proven wrong. Den of Geek reports that Warner Bros. insiders who attended a secret screening of the film for the crew and studio execs are claiming that the film -- which was a "nearly finished" cut -- received a standing ovation, with Ben Affleck's Batman stealing the show and the audience's favor during the course of the film.
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
the film was pretty good
>>81220940
Maybe I was a bit too harsh. His mannerisms were off-putting at first and annoyed me as I was expecting a more serious Lex, but he did grow into it and I bought it by the end of the movie.
I do like the theory that he was being driven insane though, especially after that cut scene with the motherboxes.
>>81220452
this, I would much rather have baskin robbins and dance offs
>>81220666
>people hated first avenger
No, everyone loved it for the first couple years
>>81221015
But baskin robbins dont play
>>81220436
But anon, i really liked man of steel. It was something different with supes.
And honestly this disconnect between audience and critics does happen occasionally. I know it happens in vidya, and albeit more rare in movies.
>>81220329
>Goldstein
In other words it's making a shitload of cash so it doesn't matter what anyone thinks, it could be two hours of a tapdancing monkey but as long as it's earning, who cares? Time to pull the trigger on the rest of the franchise suckers.
>>81220329
>audiences have embraced it
>It’s just fun
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
>It’s just an enjoyable
>>81222052
biggest Friday-Sunday dropoff for a superhero movie ever
>>81222010
Usually when it happens in movies; it's in comedies.
But what say we reconvene next week to let numbers settle our arguments for us?
>>81220430
So that's why it sucked.
>>81221725
>for the first couple years
The Marvel curse.
>>81222203
I went back and rewatched the first two X-Men movies and man, they just do not hold up.
It seems like we were happy to just have a comic book movie that wasn't a steaming pile of shit.
>>81220329
GRANNY'S PEACH TEA
Can we talk about Mercy? Asian women are the best.
>>81222337
I thought she was great
then she got blown up and the only character I was interested in was gone
>>81222349
Why would Lex Luthor kill Mercy? I thought she was his bodyguard or something loyal.
>>81222373
because BvS Lex was both poorly written and poorly portrayed
>>81220329
>It’s just fun, it doesn’t take itself seriously.
But WB, I though you were making 2deep4u movies that can't be understood by the Marvel pleb? Why the sudden change in tone?
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
>>81220329
Here's an idea: It can go without taking itself seriously AND be good at the same time.
>>81222337
Cyborg-Amazon when?
>It’s just fun.
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
I know executives are dumb and joyless but you'd think he'd have asked an intern to wrote him a plot summary or something
>>81222437
too bad it's the opposite of both those things
>>81222472
Exactly. Why can't they get at least one right?
>>81222337
She did literally nothing except get blown up and tell Bruce where the bathroom is.
>>81222483
because Zack Snyder is a bad director, Goyer is a bad writer, Cavill is a bad actor (or at least doesn't enjoy being Superman), and Terrio wanted to do a completely different movie
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously. It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies.
Are you fucking shitting me. All the while to release every other thing out of their mouths was how SMART AND CLEVER they where.
>>81222533
>Cavill is a bad actor (or at least doesn't enjoy being Superman),
Well maybe if they let him play Superman he might have a good time of it.
Imagine you're an actor. You get told you get to play one of, no THE most iconic super hero of all time. You see the costume and think, oh they changed it but that's okay it's a new era and all. And then you meet Zack Snyder and in one moment he sucks all the joy and dignity out of the character.
>>81220329
>It’s just fun.
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
He literally hasn't seen his own movie ...
>>81222534
They're going on damage control mode.
>>81222216
>not even the best Fox movies hold up
Sad.
>>81222437
>capes
>can go without taking itself seriously AND be good at the same time
Pffffhahahaha
>>81222637
>Pffffhahahaha
I don't know why you're limiting yourself to DC.
>>81222644
Because, as another anon said, Marvel movies turn to shit after 2 or 3 years.
>>81222613
there's damage control and then there's outright lying.
They must be as stupid as they think we are if they think this is gonna work.
This isn't like it was decades ago. Their early promos and interviews are up on the internet. I can bring them up right now in less time it takes me to post this message.
>>81222663
>there's damage control and then there's outright lying.
Remember what happened with Fantastic Four last year?
>>81222663
>Their early promos and interviews are up on the internet
Yes, but who, except for the usual autists, will care about things said years ago?
>>81220329
>>Goldstein
every fucking time
>>81222680
I do now, asshole.
>>81222682
Not even years ago.
>>81222682
>years ago
>not a few weeks before release
>>81222697
>>81222698
Virtually the same; it's the Internet, you know.
>>81222697
>I do now, asshole.
Yes, good times.
>>81220775
i found it fun and didn't take it seriously just like any other capeshit movie i've watched because i'm not a fanboy mongoloid
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
This killed Hollywood.
>>81222742
so did you fall asleep or something?
I have yet to meet anyone who like the movie.
There is no way Justice league will make anything close to this.
>>81222773
>>81222774
>stupid people who like what I don't like...
>>81222663
Fanboys will eat any kind of shit.
Just look at the retards defending MoS/BvS. Or the sheep that buy into that stupid Marvel marketing.
>muh political thriller
>muh heist movie
>>81222822
>>muh political thriller
>>muh heist movie
My sides. Every time.
>>81222373
lex doesn't give a fuck about anyone or anything in particular
i just watched it and there's so much in the movie that's going over everyone's heads on here
the movie is certainly consistent with itself and tells you all you need to know to follow what is happeningplot devices and certain editing choices are the only things that stuck out to me. it absolutely does not deserve the shit that's getting thrown at it right now
>>81223125
>consistent with itself
it's a political thriller with some superpower fights thrown in at the end, that is the exact opposite of consistency
>>81222822
GotG is a space opera and Cap 2 WS is more like an espionage movie.
>>81223161
consistent in that everything is explained in the movie as to why it happens
it seems to me like you're implying that it's just random fights that happen out of nowhere that have no meaning in relation to the characters of superman batman and lex luthor
>It’s just fun
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
Isn't this the shit that they were parading as BvS as not being? The thing DC fans are (were) parading around still today? Can they talk out of their ass any harder?
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously. It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies
HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED THIS FUCKING MOVIE YOU FUCKING JEW SCUMFUCK
>>81222010
>I know it happens in vidya
In vidya it's usually because a shitty game got 10/10 reviews from non-impartial journalistsI can't put enough quotation marks around the word journalists so I won't even try
In movies it's usually a good movie getting shitty scores
The last truly awful movie I can remember getting good reviews was Crash, and that wasn't exactly recent
>>81220946
Oh fuck, I remember this.
I'll say this about the Snyder films - the fights are top notch
Really feels like fucking gods are battling it out
Too bad about the whole "everything else" thingSnyder-directed live action DBZ when?
>>81220329
>Goldstein
Is there a more jewish name?
>>81223386
Don't give him ideas. Goku's too similar to Supes, so adding Jesus allegories won't be too difficult for him
>>81220329
I bet the guy was laughing his ass of when he wrote this
>>81223418
Supes had the Jesus allegories going for him before Snyder was even fucking born
Goku and Superman are nothing alike though apart from being absurdly powerful human-like beings with white skin and black hair who can shoot lasers and fly - okay I'm not doing myself any favours here but the point is that their characterisation is completely different
Goku loves the thrill of the fight and striving to overcome his limits. He protects people, sure, but his true calling is to fight.
Supes is all about the protecting. He doesn't care about overcoming his limits because he doesn't really fucking have any. He doesn't really get a thrill out of fighting like Goku does (though I'm sure a part of him enjoys it).
This is most obvious in how they spend their downtime.
Goku spends his downtime almost exclusively focusing on becoming stronger.
Superman spends his downtime protecting citizens and living Clark Kent's life.
The Jesus thing doesn't work for Goku like it does for Superman
>>81220430
>this really was an attempt at being Marvel
Couldn't you tell whenthe russian went "Everytime we say goodbye, you die a little"?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJRGynQG2sI
I'm pretty sure this was their attempt at writing a quipmesiter
>>81223414
Shekelberg
>>81220329
> It doesn’t take itself seriously.
Are you kidding me with this shit? Take itself seriously is THE ONLY THING IT DOES.
>>81223477
adding to what you're saying i'd say goku is the idealization of a competitor, a fighter. all of dbz relies on the tropes of fighting, facing a hill, then climbing that hill
superman, especially in bvs is about morality itself. what should i do? superman in the movie >>is placed in situations used in philosophy to explore ethics, he does what he can in situations he sees as simple but he was almost in tears when he went off to fight batman
>>81220329
Wh....what? Is WB this out of touch?
>>81223125
>>81223271
Different Anon.
As someone who went in there, fully expecting to hate it because I got in after the reviews started hitting:
You're right.
Everything is explained, the only things not, are the tie-ins to future films, but of course that makes sense.
That being said, while I enjoyed it, it was pretty damn ridiculous, and a lot of things were just nonsense.>Superman is accused on killing an entire village.
>Village has been hit with military force and usual weapon fire, stuff Superman doesn't have, and even if he did, would have no reason to use
>Nah, this can't possibly be someone wanting to either frame Superman, or just shift the blame after Superman fucked up the original plan on a shadow operation. It definetly had to be the man of tomorrow who can melt people by looking at them, who picked up some assault rifles and started gunning everyone down>It's established that Batman would have a very hard time breaking into a Lex Corp building to steal anything, which is why it's good that Bruce Wayne got invited
>An hour later, after a failed attempt to intercept the kryptonite before it gets into the fortress which is Lex Corp, Batman casually steals it from Lex Corp like it's nothing
>This either means a massive plot hole in the sense that they just forgot about how they established this wouldn't be a walk in the park, or it's a massive plot hole in that it WAS a walk in the park because Lex wanted him to get in there, but for some reason Batman of all people didn't realize that stealing from one of the most secure labs on the planet was the definition of "too easy".Also the part about how Batman is completely wrecked with the Martha moment.
I mean I get it. Finally he realizes that Superman is just another guy, trying to do right by others, protect the ones he loves, and the ones who can't protect themselves.
Except literally 5 minutes earlier he acknowledged he already knew this
>>81223580
Oh they are in touch I assure you. I think it's finally clear to them that the movie bombed. With the critics, with the audiences and at the box office. The scores are even getting lower by the day.
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
Maybe Warner hasn't seen the movie
>>81223682
>Except literally 5 minutes earlier he acknowledged he already knew this
But he didn't have a name to put to it
The name is what makes all the difference anon, human psychology is a wonderful and frightening thing
It's why you don't name an animal you intend to eat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z906aLyP5fg
>>81223696
I really don't understand why it's so low
Granted it wasn't a good movie, but it certainly wasn't bad. Hell, even saying 5/10 is probably unfair - 6/10 would be about right
>>81221762
they always find out
>>81223719The problem here, is that up until that moment, Batman treated Superman like he's Kim Jong-un, ready to blast away humanity at any moment.
That pencil didn't do anyone any wrong, and short of the Joker showing up, there was no real chance of it doing anything wrong to anyone.
Superman, from where Batman was standing, was a weapon of mass destruction that needed to be destroyed, or else everyone he knows and cares about could die.
But oh no, his mother's called Martha.
Does this mean that Batman would not stop Kim Jong-un if his mother's name was pronounce Martha?
If Darkseid strolled up, and it turned out that his mother's name is actually the ancient source of the name "Martha" because of a bunch of Ancient Aliens crap, would Batman hesitate to fight Darkseid, and then later visit Darkseid's mother and say "I'm a friend of your son's."?
>>81223734
The critic average rating is 5/10, it's just that most of them think it's an average stinker. I would have gone a lot lower. The movie is a horrible incoherent mess, as evidence by the numerous threads (here and elsewhere) were people are trying to fill up plot holes and explain non-sensical actions with bullshit.
>>81220666
>It was for me, anyway.
Of course you would enjoy murder, Satan.
This guy obviously doesn't watch the movies he's distributing
>>81223773
You realize this isn't just the name Martha that trigger him but the all sentence ? " You can save Martha".
He then freeze because he don't know if sup really care about saving someone or just trying to mess with his head.
>>81223829
Would you?
>>81223844
"Have you watched Batman v Superman sir?"
"What? Oh God no, I have a family to think about."
>>81223682
both posts mine if you weren't aware
i liked the movie, i thought MoS was okay, i 'defend' it here sometimes but i unabashedly like BvS
now,the point of that is reveled in the testimony of the girl in front of the senator which goes into the whole what should superman do, the girl herself says something like he answers to no one i think. the effects of our actions and fallout they may causecould also be a small dig at certain foreign policy?
if i remember right what you're referring to is alfred quipping and saying wayne did what batman couldn't don't remember anything saying yeah, shit's impossible don't do it. lex anticipating the moves of others who are unaware of what he knows isn't a plot hole.
didn't mind the martha moment but would have liked batman to show confusion and guilt after that while superman shows that he's hurt but also trying to and succeeding to forgive. it actually turned into a legit complaint for me when he told martha he's superman's friend although i'm just now thinking that maybe it wasn't necessary to weigh martha with everything that just happened
on why bruce does what he does criminals are like weeds but his is my legacy. the whole batman at the end of his rope thing, in the end superman inspires batman. again, would have liked bruce to show more guilt
>>81220937
>See anon, those aren't quite examples of Lex being intelligent as they are merely plot holes. The movie doesn't show us how or why Lex is able to figure these things out.
Before that happens they've established that Lex has resourceful enough to have the figured out identities of Cyborg, Flash and Wonder Woman, plus the existence of Aquaman discovered. Does the movie seriously need to do an extensive sequence to set up him doing a montage of pulling red string to incidents and cutting up newspaper articles to make it not a "plot hole?"
>>81220329
I actually kind of liked MoS. And BvS was a movie I felt more like I had to see because we finally had a big movie with both Superman and Batman, that would also tie into a greater scheme of things leading up to the Justice League.
So yeah, I bought a ticket. I saw it. I gave them money.
But the movie was just unpleasant and completely devoid of joy. Sure, "unpleasant" and "devoid of joy" is something people often criticized MoS for being, and rightfully so I might add. But in the middle of all that, MoS still had this streak of yearning for hope. Where Superman in spite of the actual events of the movie, always strived for something better.
But BvS has almost nothing like that. Like the first two hours of the movie is almost exclusively focused on the grim and gritty. The brooding hatred growing inside of Batman, and the fear of aliens and how they painted Superman's stance like the world weighing down on him instead of letting him actually accomplish something that he and or others can actually feel happy about.
The movie had like one instance of Superman supporters, and they were in the corner of the shot overshadowed by anti-alien protesters. While supposedly being loved by many, no one was ever actually shown to like Superman or anything that he did in this movie unless you count that scene with everyone during the festival laying their hands on Superman and Superman looking miserable.
Everyone critiqued the Batman and the unjust methods were brought up repeatedly.
It had just as much destruction and mayhem as MoS, no matter the hamfisted lines claiming that the areas are vacant of people. We had forced and almost out of place paranoia induced dream sequences where Superman just murders everyone, and Batman who just kills people left and right.
f that's how the Wonder Woman, Flash, and Aquaman movies are going to be, let alone the Justice League movie, then I no longer have any interest in seeing them. That mechanical Flash suit was bad enough.
>>81223888
Yeah something like that.
That "Sad Ben" video? It has 18 and a half million views. Talk about bad word of mouth. It has more hits than the latest BvS trailer.
>>81223840
Dude,
The entire movie on Batman's side revolves around:
"Yes, he's a hero. Yes, he saves people. Yes, he's doing good. But we can't be sure if he'll ever change his mind, and bring out what he did to Metropolis again."
Why the hell would it shock him, that the guy who's going around saving people around the globe wants to save someone.
I could see him be confused, although it was also established before that Superman knew he was Bruce Wayne (he addressed him as such). But his entire character, the entire point of everything he was doing, was trying to make sure that Superman can't ever make a heel turn.
And now it's out the window. Now he's convince Superman is a boyscout through and through, because he cares about his mommy.
Oswald Cobblepot, cares about his Mommy.
The Kingpin, cares about his Mommy.
Probably Darkseid cares about his Mommy.
That shouldn't be the revelation that makes you re-evaluate the plan you made, for which you assumably killed at least a couple of people, in retrieving a rock. The plan you made to save the planet.
The plan you commited to completely.
>>81223899
Honestly, I enjoyed it too, infact there's parts of Man of Steel I like too.
I just don't like to pretend that the flaws aren't there.Lex anticipating people doing things wouldn't be a plot-hole if we got a little more Lex figuring things out. Really during the entire movie we have no idea what the hell Lex is doing, what he knows, how far his resources go, etcetera. That's fine for the ending's finale, but not for everything he does throughout the movie. Basically every action he takes is a plot twist in this movie.
So which is it, WB? Are you trying to make a movie that's smart and deep, or are you trying to make a movie that doesn't take itself seriously?
You can't have your piss and drink it, too
>it's actually a spy thriller
>it doesn't take itself seriously
Man, the things execs have to say t keep capefags happy.
>>81222337
>>81222349
>>81222373
>>81222390
>>81222448
>>81222525
She had presence and it seemed like she was informed and had more going on in her head then what was let on.
And then she gets offed unceremoniously. A smarter film would have made that betrayal hurt more. It comes off like a dropped plot.
>>81220329
>It’s just fun.
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
>It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies.
Alright.
>>81223964
You just wait for that 4 hour editor's cut of the movie. Hint - the movie will still suck most likely.
>>81223978
Could you imagine watching a 4 hour Zack Snyder movie in the theatres?
>>81223920
And it really just looks like they're attempting to raise the stakes higher and higher with each new instalment.
Man of Steel had Zod, someone as strong as Superman.
Batman v Superman hadZod 2.0aka Doomsday, someone stronger than Superman.
And everything is pointing at the Justice League having Darkseid, as someone stronger than the bunch all put together. So that they can have even more destruction and even more mayhem the likes of which Man of Steel and Batman v Superman can't even compete with.
It's like there is not even a single thread of joy happiness in these movies to the point where you can barely even tell that's what the characters technically strive towards. And it really looks like this direction completely devoid of joy is and have been exactly what they're aiming for. And will thus likely repeat again.
Like Man of Steel not just being a very grim anomaly. But really just the start in a trend of what is to come, in which Man of Steel will shy itself in comparison.
Is there really an audience for such a Justice League movie? Or any of the other WB movies? Seeing how hard they're pushing Suicide Squad and how that movie has turned out it really just looks like they're dead set on this grim and gritty, joyless train.
I saw this because of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman all being n the same movie. But I don't want to see a movie like this again, especially not with everything turned up to 11. No matter if they assemble the entire Justice League.
They got my money once with this stunt. But it won't work again.
>>81224007
>They got my money once with this stunt. But it won't work again.
How many times have you said that before opening the wallet again?
>>81223996
Fuck no. That would be horrible.
4 hours of Zack Snyder masturbating furiously?
Cavill being a wooden emo?
Sadman being sad?
Gaddot popping up now and then followed by that awful guitar riff?
No way.
>>81224035
The issue here is that they might not be getting it. The consensus was that the movie sucks donkey dick but that it will still make enough bank so that other projects would proceed without interruptions. Seeing how it's earning are dropping like a stone every consecutive day even that assumption is starting to look overly optimistic.
>>81224081
...If you hated the movie, why did you pay for watching it?
>mfw i liked it
>mfw when only a passing interest in DC
>mfw love batman killing and actually getting shit done
>mfw loved all the visuals
>mfw I welcome a decade more of snyder overlord
>>81223945i don't agree with any of what you spoilered not even in defense of the movie but logically. the movie shows what it shows to relay character mindset/emotion/ and maybe logistics. getting an answer to some unknown is not a plot twist
>>81224101
You're the reason Trump will be president.
>>81224098
because hes a faggot who wants to hate
>>81224101
>Putin knows better
Preach it, dear Leader.
>>81223964
i'd say the point of it is that lex doesn't give a fuck. it's not betrayal because lex is a psychopath
>>81224119
>Putin is the Marvel CEO
OH SHI--
>>81224120
DC haters have always been this hilarious, I tell you.
>>81224120
Because stealing movies is wrong and Superman will come snap your neck if you do.
>>81224119
i loved it faggot. fight me
looking forward to JL even more now. the darkseid fights will be fuckin nuts
>>81224144
>implying they're going to keep going ahead with this bullshit
>>81223945
>Now he's convince Superman is a boyscout through and through, because he cares about his mommy.
Except that's not how it fucking worked. He realized that he was consumed by rage and wasn't seeing clearly. That's it. He doesn't suddenly become Superman's biggest fan. He just becomes his ally in a battle of convenience. It's not until after Supes sacrifices himself that he truly likes him.
Albeit, Snyder did a piss-poor job at explaining that, but for a character who is 100% motivated by his parents murder, it's really not surprising that the one thing that triggers him into realizing that Alfred was right involves it.
>>81224098
Honestly I felt a moral obligation to go and see the movie after having watched the fireworks here on /co after BvS hit the theaters. Just that "Sad Ben" video (with 18 and a half million views now) was worth the admission ticket.
It was as bad as everyone made it to be. This isn't me "hating" this is a simple fact.
>>81224007
can anyone explain why this is the one true and proper view we should have of these movies?
i've stated above somewhere that i thought MoS was okay, meaning i don't know if i'll watch it again.
i just saw BvS and am fully into it
i don't want movies for joy or any particular emotion anyway
>>81224169
Stop being retarded. As long as it doesn't flop, they will make another.
And there's no reason why they can't do things differently for Justice League. In fact, they're probably changing things right now. Further evidenced by pushing back the date of the 3 hour DVD cut, when the movie has debut only a few days now because of overwhelmingly negative reviews.
>>81224169
you know they will. you know it in your whiny little heart.
give in to the snyder, embrace it. open that tight asshole cuz he commin for you
>>81223921
Sadfleck is the thing this movie will be most known for
>>81224219
>>81224101
>how to spot a casual
>>81220329
>audiences have embraced it and we are already seeing repeat business
Wow. That's what the studio itself is saying drove the first weekend? Repeat business.
80% fall on weekend 2. Final gross $800m.
>>81222373
Because Snyder doesn't care
In the end Mercy was just like Jimmy Olsen
>Hey, we have no real plans for these characters but "we might as well have fun" with them
>The only important thing is that fan recognize them so the movie will officially be just like muh comics and i'll be able to call critics ignorant for not being comic dorks like me
>>81224231
Perfect edit
Wonder what chris thinks about being the best meme on the internet now
>>81224035
>How many times have you said that before opening the wallet again?
Never. I usually see most movies coming and I usually want to see most movies coming.
I am not used to being burned on a franchise like this.
Sure. I have seen movies and then lost the desire to see the sequels/whatever. But I have never crawled back to them, buying tickets to see them anyway.
I expected Man of Steel to be complete and utter trash. But I found it to be more endearing than expected, probably due to my complete and utter bottom expectations. But no matter if I may have found the movie to be somewhat endearing to the point where I kind of like it to some extent, I still can't really describe the movie as a particularly pleasant experience.
And Batman v Superman, was just as dreary, or rather as described even more dreary than Man of Steel. And this was one movie I did not find endearing.
I have no real desire to watch a third movie providing the same dreary and joyless experience.
And the characters as presented have no real draw-power to me either. Watching Batman v Superman I kind of wished I was watching CBS's Supergirl or CW's DC shows instead. And no matter if I love the Flash, I would much rather watch CW's Flash than whatever WB is likely going to do bastardizing it with their movie(s).
If anything I just hope they let these shows continue unmolested. Because they are actually fun. Which is way, way more than I can say about their movies. Two of which I have already given a fair chance. But it doesn't look like anything will change. So I really don't have much of any desire to see their upcoming films.
>>81224301
Cautious optimism. Being a meme on the Internet is a double edged sword. Just look at Ben Afleck.
>>81224262
yup and i don't give a fuck. fight me faggot im ripped.
i might talk some people into seeing it again this weekend. it'd be my third time.
>>81224348
I think you are taking this meathead thing too far man.
>>81223228
>and Cap 2 WS is more like an espionage movie.
Really watered down, pop corn espionage movie.
>People saw the movie which means they liked it
>>81224369
What a horrible thing to say about spy thrillers.
>>81220329
They've essentially taken the DC universe hostage.
>Make us successful this time, or you won't get a DCEU for another 10 years.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, Snyder has already fucked things up, and he can only possibly make it even worse, or wait another 10 years.
>>81224369
>it's capeshit
>expecting it to be a full blown spy thriller
>>81224419
The best part is I am in no hurry to even witness a DCEU. The DCAU was perfect and all I will ever need.
>>81224369
It's almost like they tried to take influences but not make you forget it's a superhero universe!
>It’s just fun
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
>>81223682
The village thing was about Superman deposing a warlord and then fucking off, escalating the entire region into bloody conflict, creating a political nightmare.
Batman breaking into Lexcorp was an issue because, yes, he could go in guns blazing, but that would tip off he was looking into Lexcorp before he had figured out who the White Portuguese was, which was not smart and it wasn't even guaranteed that he could find the info he was looking for. When he later does wreck the shit out of Lexcorp, Batman has gone over the edge, is entire controlled by rage, and he has no use for subtle approach anymore because he's found the Kryptonite, he just needed to steal it, make weapons from it and then go kill Superman.
Martha thing makes Batman see Superman as a man for the first time, and above all, Bruce has an epiphany as he sees himself in Clark. Before that it was always alien this, alien that, this alien fucker needs to die. Superman was not a real person until that moment.
>>81220937
I didn't like this movie, but to be fair he got into the ship and accessed extensive data from the Kryptonian archives before he brought Zod there. Pretty easy to extrapolate that's how he found out about the transformation possibility.
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
>>81224487
watching batman fucking mercing thugs left and right in the warehouse made me realize i haven't so much as smiled watching a movie in a long, long time
I just want to see Momoa fight Lovecraftian sea monsters. Thats all i want from DCU at this point. Fuck the rest
>>81224365
>Get rid of literally the only thing that can kill my boyfriend
Crazy, right?
>>81224625
Get rid of? By throwing it into a pool? Only to almost drown in it afterwards?
Come on.
>>81224619
isn't that Dr Strange's thing?
>>81224652
i would have hid it in her position. it's weird to me because the moment batman threw the spear it turned fully into a plot device
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
>>81224669
Part of Stange mythos yes. But they hired a horror director who said thats what hes doing with aquaman. And hes a huge fan of lovecraft.
>>81224794
How can you make a movie about a dude who talks to dolphins and rides on a sea horse scary?
This sounds like even more WB's grimdark BS.
>>81220329
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
>>81224819
Aquaman has been grimdark before, they are basing him off the one who is a barbarian of the sea who has to cut his own hand off to save his baby.
>>81220329
>“There is no question this is an extraordinary achievement,” WB’s domestic distribution chief Jeff Goldstein said. “Clearly, audiences have embraced it and we are already seeing repeat business. It’s just fun. Often, there’s a disconnect between critics and audiences. It doesn’t take itself seriously. It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies.”
I have never seen a more bullshit statement than this. This is why I have no hope for Suicide Squad; hell, it's practically inevitable it's going to be nothing less than a disaster.
>>81222737
>If you liked Chronicle, then you'll like this
That was the first red flag for this movie, because Chronicle was shit.
>>81224909
Arrr shiver me timbers matey!!!
If this movie ever gets made (which seems less and less likely) it's probably going to be yet another overly serious yet unintentionally hilarious "masterpiece" that we came to expect from WB.
>>81220329
> It doesn’t take itself seriously. It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies.
The cinematically produced, artistically shot, beautifully planned Michael Bay 5/10 movie of the year.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
>>81222774
That's because you have no friends anon
>>81224101
>mfw when
Kill yourself.
>>81223696
Huh, the audience score went lower by one point. It used to be 73%.
>>81225124
Jolly kek
>>81223682
His father said Martha before dying helplessly to the killer. Bruce was about to kill a helpless man calling for Martha. Bruce became the very thing he feared, the thing that made him become the batman. That's why he didn't do it, not because their moms share the same names retards
>>81223734
What that percentage means is that 28% of the critics think the movie is above 6/10.
Since most critics rate the movie between 4/10 to 5/10 that means the overall rating gets damaged.
It is why people rant about marvel movies being "fresh" despite being "terrible" when their average score is clearly around 6 to 7/10.
They think a tomatoscore of 80% and up means you should be BLOWN AWAY by the movie.
BvS is still shit to, 3/10 for me
>>81220329
>It doesn't take itself seriously
WHAT A STORY
>>81225215
So it wasn't about his mom, but his dad's last word?
How misogynistic.
>>81225215
Batmang to Battriggered.
>>81225221
At some point - I honestly believe /co/ could do with adding a "this is how Rotten Tomatoes works" to the sticky that requests spoiler use.
It's incredible how many anons post without realizing.
>>81224007
>Seeing how hard they're pushing Suicide Squad and how that movie has turned out it really just looks like they're dead set on this grim and gritty, joyless train.
Actually, if anything SS looks like it is going to be fun. It sounds like you can have fun in the DC filmverse, but only if you are a villain. That only heroes are forced to be unhappy.
>>81225235
Lol ok I meant not SOLEY because their moms share the same names
>>81225124
Nice one
>>81223945
>Probably Darkseid cares about his Mommy.
Darkseid HATES his mother, especially for killing his One True Love
>go and see the movie even though it has bad reviews
>hate it
I should've listened.
>>81225576
Why do this? This is just giving them money to do it again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIaF0QKtY0c
how can you even try and make a super gritty realistic superman, the entire concept is predicated on the idea that in the super high tech present with robots and predator drones and super high tech terraforming aliens, nobody can tell clark kent is superman.
It works when superman is cheesy because then it becomes funny and charming.
>>81225328
Shazam will also be lighthearted, and they've also said Aquaman will have jokes.
They're just going for different kinds of movies, instead of making every movie a quipathon.
>>81225589
Well there are still many faggots on the internet that said it's actually amazing/misunderstood/only Marvelshills hate it etc.
Curiosity got the better of me. Never again, I'll just wait for the DVDrip next time something gets shit reviews.
>>81224185
>I felt a hateboner
Fixed.
>>81225638
>Never again
So, see you in JL?
>>81225684
Only if they change the director.
You could pay me and I'd still not sit through a 2.5 hour long Zack Snyder movie ever again.
>China Box Office: ‘Batman v Superman’ Has Okay $56 Million Opening Weekend
Isn't that kinda bad though? I just looked at the China box office numbers for AoU, and that movie did $155 million in its opening weekend.
>>81225124
Saved.
I love this contrast
>AoU gave us a laughing Chris Evans
>BvS gave us a sad Ben Affleck
Like pottery.
>>81225638
>Curiosity got the better of me.
This is the future you chose.
>>81225769
Yes. The next week is gonna be great. The kind of spin they'll be trying to pull off on the figures will leave everyone confused
>>81220329
>It’s just fun
Zack Snyder's definition of "fun" is to have Jimmy Olsen show up for 2 minutes just to get brutally murdered.
I'm serious, he actually said he put Jimmy Olsen there because he thought it was fun.
REMEMBER
DC STANDS FOR "DAMAGE CONTROL"
>>81223969
we might never see him as black adam because of it.
>>81225616
>tfw I'll never get my campy 70's superman done with modern CG
All I want is a Superman who swoops in, puts his hands on his hips, says "Stop right there, evil doer!" and actually fucking fights crime.
Is that too much to ask?
>>81225815
>Captain Marvel in Snyderverse
We dodged a bullet
>>81222418
Because what else are they gonna say?
>Our movie was meant to be a dark and serious philosophical analysis of what it means to be a hero. Sadly, audiences didn't seem to enjoy it as much as we had hoped, but hey at least we're making money.
>>81225823
they should have just dropped campy 70s superman straight into the snyderverse, he'd go around doing things all campy, everyone would respond with indifference and hatred and he'd just be left there with this look on his face while the curb your enthusiasm music plays.
>>81225860
Snyder was a mistake.
They made Batman too mechanical in his fights. :'(
Batman is suppose to be a stealthy but in this move he made more noise then superman destroying the city.
>>81220555
Should have ended it with "I love you".
Also nice trips
>>81220329
>It’s just fun.
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
That's not what you said months ago.
Let's play a game /co/. Let's find every statement made by Snyder, Goyer and WB execs about how this is a dark serious movies unlike those "flavor of the week" Marvel movies. I'll start.
>Ben Affleck
>It is more mythic, it is more grand in that way, and it is a little more realistic. Just by their nature, these films can’t be as funny or as quick or as glib as Marvel movies.
>Greg Silverman
>There is intensity and a seriousness of purpose to some of these characters. The filmmakers who are tackling these properties are making great movies about superheroes; they aren't making superhero movies. And when you are trying to make a good movie, you tackle interesting philosophies and character development.
>>81225981
>interesting philosophies and character development
>>81225328
>Actually, if anything SS looks like it is going to be fun.
If anything. All Suicide Squad tells me is that even when Warner Brothers wants to make a "fun" DC movie, they have to dress it up in the grim and gritty.
I agree that Suicide Squad looks like it will have a lot of fun, but it still kind of gets me when the Suicide Squad is what represents the fun in these movies. If you get what I mean.
It's like nothing is allowed to just be fun or happy. Or "nice". Everything, even the fun has to be dressed up as dark, gritty, and grim. Even when it's made to be light.
>>81225880
"Tell me... do you bleeeeeed?"
"Well gee,golly there my batty friend, that sure seems rather mean of you to say. Why, I bet under that scary old mask and suit, you're just a regular guy who loves his city like me. I bet if we just talked about things, you'll find we're on the same side after all"
>>81226032
>everything has to be bright and colorful
Don't be a manchild.
>>81225981
>The filmmakers who are tackling these properties are making great movies about superheroes; they aren't making superhero movies. And when you are trying to make a good movie, you tackle interesting philosophies and character development.
What a bunch of hacks
>>81225769
Ants > Bats
As a Puma i couldn't be happier
>>81220329
I'm more interested in hearing what Greg Silverman, Diane Nelson and Geoff Johns have to say
>>81226125
Fuck me last time auto correct
Im a Pymfag is what i ment
>>81225981
>We’ve really gone out of our way to imbue the movie with a sense of meaning beyond the comic book world. I don’t want to spoil it, but it’s definitely something that we tried hard to do.
- Zack "Total Hack" Snyder
>>81226127
I think cerealman would hate this movie. I wonder if DC will give him more character rights to push to the tv world.
Will this flop give use blue beetle and booster gold finally?
>>81226118
well this is the one thing about these snyder movies that I can never understand.
They're meant to be tackling these big human themes.
What are they?
What is it about the human condition they're meant to be exploring, what is the story of superman fighting batman supposed to be telling us about society? What is the earth shattering thrust of the story here?
Seriously, what is it meant to be? is it how mankind would respond to situations that literally wouldn't ever happen, like if superman was real I guess? relevant!
There's nothing wrong with not tackling serious subjects and just being escapist entertainment, richard donner did that perfectly nearly 40 years ago, but why pretend to do anything more than that?
>>81226105
>everything
Nowhere was I implying anything of the sort. But on the other hand, Warner Brothers really do appear to be implying that nothing is allowed to be bright and colorful.
>>81225981
>Jesse Zuckerberg
>"The man wrote the movie, Chris Terrio, is absolutely phenomenal. He also wrote Argo. He’s such a brilliant guy, so well read. He’s interested in very sophisticated topics and discussions. So in Batman V Superman, even though it’s a superhero movie, people who don’t necessarily see movies in that genre, like this crowd, will probably enjoy it. It discusses sophisticated and important themes."
>>81220329
>Often, there’s a disconnect between critics and audiences.
Lets see this weekend numbers
>>81225616
God damn, and that people is why no one recognizes Clark Kent as Superman
>>81225981
>flavor of the week
>Snyder took a shot at the Marvel Universe in an interview with The Daily Beast. While addressing Steven Spielberg’s comments that “there will be a time when the superhero movie goes the way of the Western,” the filmmaker said Marvel heroes are a dime a dozen.
>“I feel like he’s right. But I feel like Batman and Superman are transcendent of superhero movies in a way, because they’re Batman and Superman,” Snyder said while promoting Doritos’ final Super Bowl filmmaking contest. “They’re not just, like, the flavor of the week Ant-Man — not to be mean, but whatever it is. What is the next Blank-Man?”
And then Ant-Man got better reviews that Batman v Superman.
http://www.starwipe.com/article/busy-new-yorkers-fail-take-time-out-day-coddle-hen-2306
>>81220329
Warner deserves everything that's happening, the error started in the choice of Snyder and after the approval of the worst cast of a super hero movie
>>81225815
I'm kinda glad a Cyborg solo is on the chopping block, could you imagine a Cyborg movie with Snyder's presence hovering over it?
>I'm... I'm a monster. A FREAK. A machine created in a lab for the sole purpose of killing!BOOYAH
>Cyborg and Supes get into a fight
>"S-Stop... They're going... To kill...those showers
>>81226206
FUCKING this.
Sci fi has always been about this and the classics of Izamov and Dick will always be some of the best examples. But comics can do this really well too. Look at Death: The High Cost of Living or the new Vision series, its a looking glass into what being human means. Death is a god and Vision is a synthazoid, using these to talk about what it means to be human is great story telling. How does BvS do any of that?
>>81226280
>taking shots at the competition before your movie even comes out
Snyder literally deserves every bad review he gets.
>>81226280
Shouldn't have fucked with based ANTS
>instead of a World's Finest team up
>we got Batman v(s) Superman
Just how could we go this wrong?
>>81226206
>what is the story of superman fighting batman supposed to be telling us about society?
Well originally they said it was supposed to be a conflict of ideals between two people but then the actual movie came out and the entire fight comes about because it's one big setup and MISUNDERSTANDINGS around Marthas
>>81226280
>ant-man proceeds to beat BvS in China
Also acting like your movie will be better because you have more popular characters is plain stupid. In fact it makes him seem incompetent because he can't make these super popular characters work.
>>81226280
ANTS!
Actually ant man had more to say, it was about a family and father son or daughter relations. May not have been 2deep4u but it had a really good theme that was coherent
What would a Snyder DBZ movie be like /co/?
>Zack Snyder says he sidelined Superman at the end of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice because he wanted Ben Affleck’s Batman to build nascent superhero team the Justice League in the movie’s sequel.
>“I wanted Bruce Wayne to build the Justice League,” Snyder tells EW. “I felt like with Superman around, it’s a different conversation when you create the Justice League, right? It’s like, ‘Me and Superman, we want to make a Justice League.’ [Other heroes would be] like, ‘Okay, yeah, I’ll join!’ I just feel like Bruce Wayne having to go out and find these seven samurai by himself, that’s a lot more interesting of a premise.”
So this hack killed Superman just because he wanted Batman to assemble the League?
>>81220329
Maybe the people working at WB should take their jobs more seriously, before they lose them.
>>81226400
Kinda worked though. Polls showed that 86% of people just went to see batman. Not afleck, just batman.
He can sell no matter what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaEdRWRgu6o Sad Affleck Mad World Edition
>>81226440
>I just feel like Bruce Wayne having to go out and find these seven samurai by himself
Seven Samurai? Seriously?
>>81226444
I feel so bad for Ben. I'm still enjoying all these dank memes though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1OEqjfce1Q
>>81226440
>Batman
>the guy who everyone in-universe hates cause he's a dick
>the guy who always has to get someone else to get someone to help him cause if he shows up they'll flip him off
>starting the League
I think Snyder missed why Supes is generally the leader of it
>>81226464
Yes.
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/justice-league-v-seven-samurai-zack-snyder-164152831.html
>>81226440
Does he even read comic books or like them or does he just read Dark Knight returns and say OMG IM SUCH A HUGE COMIC BOOK FAN
>>81226468
>>81225769
it made more than Star Wars.
![contact-jodie-foster[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EaK5clI.jpg "contact-jodie-foster[1].jpg")
>>81226357
well yeah basically, it feels like zack wants to set up the first 1/4 of a sci fi parallel then never steps beyond noticing it to mean anything.
>oh superman is kinda like jesus
sweet.
...and?
I guess I'm latching to the religion thing because it seems like the most obvious subtext he's supposed to be injecting into these movies with the false god and the jesus shit but he never goes beyond "hey, that's pretty similar doncha reckon?"
That's pretty fucking weak, we've got a glut of sci fi out there that explores religion and uses it to ask some pretty heavy questions, what about contact? We use sci fi and aliens to set up a situation in which an atheist has an experience she can't prove happened, much like a religious experience...and it makes you yourself think about your own beliefs, dope!
snyder seems to instead think this stuff is there to just...be "cool" or something, like religious imagery is just cool and it makes you go "whoa" it has to be there.
