Today is the big day, I can't wait to waste my money on tickets and popcorn on Man of Steel 2: Featuring Batman from the Dark Knight series.
>>81004978
>Featuring Batman from the Dark Knight series.
But Christian Bale isn't in it
>>81004978
>Bashing into big things
Isn't that a fight?
>>81005013
They recast him
>>81005085
Not really.
>>81004978
You mean
Batman: co staring Superman the movie
>>81004978
>>81004978
>>81005435
>>81005188
Okay, this one's pretty damn funny.
>>81005584
i literally don't understand why people care this much
fuck even the positive reviews make it sound terrible
>>81005644
>>81005608
Man, Reading them make me wanted punch them in the face.
>>81004978
That's it. DC is done.
WB blew it.
Wow it's almost like if superheroes were real there would be conflict and consequences for their actions. Weird.
>But it's not fun! Where's the fun?
>>81004978
I'm just glad that a batwankery fest was demolished for once.
>>81005608
>that will do to be going on with
ouch(?)
just cracked a beer to celebrate the flop of the century
I am fucking schadenfreuding my godamn dick off right now!
>all these reviews being negative because they are lacking in quips and "fun" like Marvel movies
I don't normally act like a DC fanboy but these reviewers sound like paid off Marvel interns rather then film critics
>>81005912
That's her whole in-depth review too. Just constantly complains that there's no fun despite it looking and feeling 10/10.
Remember when we said that this movie would bomb?
Remember when you said it wouldn't?
He who laughs last, laughs hardest
>>81006048
A movie can be both dark AND fun. I mean superhero shit should be fun. Daredevil manages to be both edgy and fun.
>>81006110
Well we don't know yet because a bomb depends on how it does financially
>>81006255
Even if it does well, it can stand shoulder to shoulder with Michael Bay's Transformers, which were similarly critically panned and also successful.
Congratulations, you support Transformers in capes.
Still right to laugh
>>81006070
So it's Suckerpunch 2.0.
>>81006319
>The Dark Knight and the Man of Steel duke it out and the audience loses
>>81006333
How the fuck would I know? Who even watched that?
>>81006327
Who said I support it? I'm just letting you know what "bomb" means
>>81006319
>>81006415
I watched parts of it. It was very pretty but then it got retarded.
>>81006110
>He who laughs last, laughs hardest
I hope you can see the irony is posting this before you have even seen the movie.
>>81006421
What!?
>If there's any justice, dawning or otherwise, at the multiplex, audiences will reject Zack Snyder's lumbering, dead-on-arrival superhero mélange, a $250 million tombstone for a genre in dire need of a break.
Fucking brutal
>>81006415
I watched it. It looked hot and that's all I had to go on. Afterward I was embarrassed but I successfully tricked everyone into thinking it was actually my younger sister who wanted to rent it.
>>81006421
>spectacular way!
>50%
what a review
>>81005644
>Even EW owned by WB gave it a bad review
Shit
>>81006508
>for a genre in dire need of a break.
Bet he won't be saying that when Civil War comes out
>>81006048
Because it's not like stuff like Daredevil was able to balance being fun and engaging while also being dark, right?
I'm not defending shit-tier reporting/reviewing, but they have a leg to stand on with that particular complaint.
>>81006671
Probably because Civil War will actually be enjoyable
I'm more frightened by the possibility that it's actually genuinely good and misunderstood, because that means that /co/ will turn into a complete warzone the likes of which even MoS couldn't provide
>>81006615
EW was sold off in 2014
>>81006671
Bitch I want all liveaction to get destroyed. I want it to go the way of the fucking western so I never have to hear about them ever again. They were fun for a while but now. They've overstayed their fucking welcome.
I think my DC Friends could use a little hope right now/
>>81006671
Screencap it, might be worth having if CW ends up being a failure or not.
>>81006695
I guess the thing that kills me is when the reviews say its tone is horrible and dark and too brutal while also pretending like they enjoy Returns which is about as brutal and unforgiving as it gets.
>>81006714
Oh man! I can't for all the shitstorm!
>>81006749
>>81006749
Only 2 of those are positive, the rest are like "It's pretty bad but there was corn in this shit log"
>>81006749
Some more
>>81006752
>if CW ends up being a failure or not.
Zero chance of this happening. Marvel's perfected the inoffensive blockbuster hit.
>>81006787
>>81006710
But the genre needs a break, anon
>>81006319
>Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is a treat for the eyes, but it will hurt your brain and break your heart.
Oooooooo, damn.
>>81006710
Sorry, have you seen this movie?
Don't tell me your one of those people who let others convince them what's good or not.
I agree though, Civil War looks like a fine film.
https://youtu.be/kjtalNdmdLY
This fucking sucks. I like Snyder. I've defended him for several years and then he comes out with this. Batman v Superman. The greatest gladiator match in the history of the world.
Watching his introduction in the video I've provided really upsets me. More so because he's radiating with a feeling of excitement and genuinely feels that he's made something special for fans and general audiences. Unfortunately, it didn't live up to expectations.
And I can't help but after watching it, all the pieces were there but it just didn't come together. I Imagined, a beautiful opening of Clark going around the world redeeming himself from the terror he brought upon the Earth. Bruce coming out of retirement for a final confrontation, not with The Joker but with a God. Feeling that by taking Superman down he has a chance to end the nightmares and give the world a chance. I'm still waiting for that movie.
This is coming from someone who loved MoS and waited in line last year for hours to see the film early.
If you plan on seeing it this weekend I hope you enjoy it. As for me I think I'm done defending Snyder.
>>81006787
It's surreal. Three years of waiting and getting hyped all for this
>>81006854
>Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is a treat for the eyes, but it will hurt your brain and break your heart.
I honestly don't even know how to take this
>>81006749
>"positive" reviews
please stop I am getting sad for you, that second best review is half sound effects and most of the others are begrudgingly admitting some aspects were bearable
>>81006714
it doesn't even matter if the movie is good or not at this point. people want their shitstorm. they've been eagerly anticipating the shitstorm for years and will latch onto any excuse to have it. Even the people that think the movie will be good are going out of their way to fan the flames with shit like capekino memes
>>81006825
Then it works as anon's point in his argument about the reviewer being a hypocrite.
>>81006862
Yeah. I legitimately tempered my hopes the whole time, but to me, the lowest it would be was MoS quality. I always thought "Snyder has learned from his mistakes, and Goyer is off the script so it has to at least be as good, and likely better."
And here we are, and all signs point to it being worse. I still hope to leave the theater Thursday pleasantly surprised, but it's really devastating right now.
>>81006826
>Snyder's face when
>>81006857
Zack Snyder put the SUCK in SUCKer Punch.
>SIR, MARVEL HAS A SUPER SUCCESSFUL FRANCHISE AND THEY'VE ALREADY REACHED THE AVENGERS!
>Let's do what they do, start slow and give each character their own mov-
>FUCK WE GOTTA GO NOW! PUT BATMAN, SUPERMAN, AQUAMAN, WONDERWOMAN, LEX, AND DOOMSDAY IN ONE MOVIE!
>Sir, they really need their own movies first-
>WHY IS OUR MOVIE DOING SO POORLY
>>81006856
Even the reviews that actually didn't completely shit on it said it joyless.
>>81006910
Unless that reviewer simply doesn't review it.
And literally, one line of "while I'm tired of capeshit, this one is one of hte better ones" will make her not a hypocrite.
>>81006957
>Implying this is the problem with the movie
Yeah okay kid. Sure.
>>81006892
>even if I enjoy the movie genuinely I'll be outnumbered by the memes
/co/... I didn't want to say this
But I think it's time for goodbye
>>81006671
>>81006710
I don't think Marvel killed it as much as Deadpool did. They subverted the tropes way too close to something this self-serious.
Also, if it's anything like MoS, it's not the humorless tone, it's the joyless tone. Fucking MoS's best scene was him flying after basking in the sun's warmth but it's behind a fucking cold filter. In a scene meant to showcase warmth.
There's no humanizing moments anywhere, which is a bit of a DC comics problem too (with them being all gods and stuff), but that's why you don't put the spergest director you can find ahead of something that requires the little humanity there is to shine through.
I'm really sorry for the comparison, but when Cap sees Wanda crying about her town and asks the dude to stop it and move on - that's the things that make it worth the destruction porn in the end: characters feeling human. Those are the moments that DC's characters must be able to put forth the best.
Snyder is the absolutely worse person to do it, which is exactly why he shouldn't be helming a Superman movie. That comic book scene where some Cop thanks superman for the protection he affords at a park at night and Supes tells him that there are now two people the crooks should worry about. Superman is THAT. Snyder would just have him say 'you're safe now', and lose all the impact. Superman is meant to inspire confidence, not just trust.
And the worst part is that all DC movies seem to be slated this way, and without proper competition Marvel will start slacking too and then no more good movies come out.
>>81004978
>Reviews stating it's the best movie ever
>Other reviews stating it's the worst movie ever
>Some even stating it's a good movie but then give it a bad score anyways
The heck is going on at RT?
>>81006960
I'm not saying anything 'till I see this film.
I'm not expexting much 'cause you never get overly anticipated to see a film.
The least I'm expecting is a good Batflick.
>>81006957
Look, it's not that starting out at the gate with a team movie is a bad idea.
It's just that BvS did a shit job at it.
>>81006957
Don't be retarded. If a movie has than 2 more characters does everyone need to have their own stand alone movie?
>>81007023
lack of competition hasn't hurt Marvel yet
>>81006957
Thats not the problem with the movie.
Christ /co/ is so retarded
>>81007041
I guess it will be as polarizing as Man of Steel was/is.
>>81007022
Goodbye, anon. See you tomorrow.
>>81007041
You realize that Rotten Tomatoes doesn't review anything right?
That it just gathers reviews?
There is nothing going on at RT because nothing goes on at RT.
>>81007023
>That comic book scene where some Cop thanks superman for the protection he affords at a park at night and Supes tells him that there are now two people the crooks should worry about. Superman is THAT.
God-tier moment right there.
>>81006862
Any one who has seen a snyder movie knew this movie was going to be shit
I like dc movies but Snyder's name pretty much guarantees a shit movie
>>81007089
Maybe that's the problem, people don't want Marvel to have competition for some reason. That's why people want X-Men to stop existing as it's the only genuine competition they have.
>>81006914
As a Marvelfag I wanted to be wrong, I wanted the movie to be great and I wanted WB to make Superman great again.
The Marvel universe is meant to be the edgy one, for fucks sake!
>>81007103
They do choose who they showcase on the site. They arn't just grabbing random people off the internet, you have to be affiliated with them to be place on their site.
>>81007121
>When in doubt blame marvel
>>81007168
Do you have a specific problem with their selection process?
>>81006749
those are some of the worst positive reviews I've read. i'd cry if i worked on this movie if that was the most positive thing anyone could say.
it's like
>well there was ample parking
as a positive
>>81007089
Quality-wise? Bullshit.
They've managed to get by the skin of their teeth a couple of times by luck rather than talent. Thor 2 wouldn't have faired as well as it did if it were released now.
Also, timeline-wise it was the whole looming threat of BvS possibly being good that seemed to put them in their tracks by kicking out Bendis and Quesada and Perlmutter and grab better director talent.
Remember that Feige used to work at FOX and knows not to fear their dumbasses. BvS sounds great on paper if you cover Snyder's name. I think they were legitimately scared. I don't want them to get complacent.
>>81006333
>tfw when I watched the move based on cool trailrs
>got hype
>the disaster I actually watched
>>81006749
>Rolling Stones
>People
>Forbes
Thats literally all I give a shit about
>>81007089
It's one of the problems.
I'm a huge Marvel fanboy, but sooner or later, lack of fierce competition is gonna hurt them in the long-term.
>>81007103
You'd think however, by now they'd have quality control so questionable reviews for movies like Iron Man 3, Age of Ultron and this one would be upfront removed. There's a lot of outright bad movies getting better scores than deserved and good ones being slammed.
For example: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1087270-mummy/
Beloved movie, but because of the lack of quality control, it's being unfairly panned lately since they don't remove or manage scores from questionable sources or critics.
I just know if I had a metric website I would not include reviews from people like Devin Faraci, especially after he praised Fantastic Four biasly.
>>81007041
Payolas extorting for a change in review, duh. It's not new. This shit happens on Yelp all the damn time, why expect RT to be any different?That or people just have very different tastes and opinions, as people often do.
>>81007162
im going to need to see the movie first
>>81007144
Sadly his name does bring in criticisms,
I thought both Man of Steel and Watchmen were good films.
>>81007023
>There's no humanizing moments anywhere, which is a bit of a DC comics problem too (with them being all gods and stuff), but that's why you don't put the spergest director you can find ahead of something that requires the little humanity there is to shine through.
Superman plays with kids all the time in his current run.
Yeah, Batman not so much... or WW... or Flash... now that i think about it. Only Supes and Aquaman have this.
>>81007041
>reviews stating it's the best movie ever
Where?
From what I've seen even the positive reviews are lukewarm at best.
>>81007173
There's actual visible proof of unethical reviewing methods in place.
>>81007225
No, I'm just saying that it is a selected club. When they are finished counting the reviews they only have around 300, as the combined total for the US, Europe, Australia and Mexico apparently.
>>81005926
WB/DC will blame Supes though
>>81006421
>spectactular
>2.5/5
Again, is this a surprise?
Like, it was fucking obvious that DC was playing catch up to Marvel.
They saw the big Avengers bucks and some bigwig shouted down to his underlings "I want to make this type of money in 3 years. Make it happen or you're on "Make Allen Moore work for us again" duty".
There was no natural evolution.
There was no growth.
It was just a mandated cashgrab.
They weren't even subtle by slapping "Batman" on the front of the title even though it's clearly a Superman movie sequel.
And then they forced Wonder Woman in it to cash in on that sweet feminist cash that is "predicted" to materialize in the future.
>>81007173
>Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice may please die-hard fans by pitting two DC icons against each other. Everyone else may want to wait for the next Marvel movie.
It's all we DCfags have at this point.
I wasn't excited myself though. Fuck whoever thought putting Snyder in charge was a good idea. MOS was shit too.
I hate being a DC fan. Marvel's comics are such dogshit soulless garbage though.
>>81007372
Well do you have a reviewer that you think should be admitted but isn't?
>>81006421
>This movie is amazing
>Gives bad score
...why are people doing this?
>>81007242
I GUESS YOU COULD SAY YOU GOT
SUCKERPUNCHED
>>81007373
Of course they will.
Real talk /co/
What does WB do now?
Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman are locks but should that scrap the DCEU after them and start from scratch? Or should they keep the current announced slate but make JL1 Snyder's last entree?
The second seems like the most plausible to me.
>>81007362
>they mentioned They Who Shall Not Be Named
>it's unethical
Dude, look at what you sound like.
Trust me, they don't give a shit.
They put no more thought into that statement than you would in thinking "Hotdogs? I'd rather have a burger"
They're not taking money to prefer "hamburgers" to "hotdogs"
>>81004978
It's over neckbeards and landwhales.
Darkseid won. DC is over.
yfw the critics have more quips and one-liners than BvS?
>>81007362
Wouldn't want to marathon DCAU shows with this asshole.
>>81007450
Sorry, I wasn't the original anon you replied to. I just saw your response.
>>81007308
I know. That's exactly what I mean. You have to squeeze the humanity out of him. You have to show him do that. If he's just brooding and looking mopey like in MoS, you lose the character to how unrelatable he is.
The best example is Cap (who has admittedly been blessed by the writers and directors he got). He changes people around him, he makes Tommy Lee Jones less grumpy, he makes Tony say corny shit he'd be too proud to do, he makes Peggy and Widow and Bucky be better people, he inspires Falcon and Nick Fury to be their absolute best, even if they don't share his vision. Shit like that is what you do with characters that have no arc: you make everyone else that comes into contact with them get an arc.
Not making them do condescending bullshit like having him float above a flooded town with the sun behind him, casting a shadow to people that are trying to reach him for help, just so you can make a good picture. Which is doubly worrisome when you know that Cavill has a fucking great smile and charisma (UNCLE).
>>81007493
Remove Snyder. Keep Terrio. Find someone competent. Shot Frank Miller in the back of his head, is not like the old fuck is gonna last much anyway.
I bet the movie is bad, but these critics need to get their shit together. Its probably just as much of a mess as MoS.
>>81007493
Why? Fox didn't start from scratch with X-Men. Even when they did a soft reboot, it wasn't a reboot, it's still continuing the franchise.
If Fox, the guys who made some of the worst capeshit films of all time, can not only catch up with but also stand toe-to-toe with Marvel, WB can. It requires something that not many executives and directors have, and it's calledeffort
>>81007493
Soo Scy Squaw will do good, but WW will be a bomb.
They'll look at that, look enviously at Deadpool, and get into their heads that hard PG-13/R is the way to go.
So they'll do Hitman or Section 8 or something.
Those will bomb too, but that'll be late enough in the future where they'll recast Batman again and do another origin story
I'll wait to hear what Based Armond thinks of it.
>>81006807
>more akin to Snyder's Watchmen
Into the trash BvS goes!
>>81007493
They'll probably spread out their release dates. As long as they get enough cash they'll stick to their guns.
>>81007574
He'll call it divine and inspired
>>81007493
If I'm WB I jettison Snyder from Justice League right the fuck now. I don't care if he's already directed some scenes. He's had three bites at the apple for comic book adaptations and they've all sucked.
I kick him out and I more or less beg Miller or Del Toro to come in and salvage what's left. Pay them whatever they want. Offer to make Mad Max 4 or Pacific Rim 2 or whatever the fuck they want made. WE NEED THEM.
>>81006807
>All in all, job done, just about.
WTF kind of review is that?
Well, it was a movie, pretty much.
>>81007507
Haha did you struggle to not name Marvel because you realize how bad it looks for you to have the root cause of the problem in the same tweet as denial?
>>81007557
>WW will be a bomb.
Why?
>>81007225
No that anon but rotten tomatoes uses clickbait reviews that either puts the movie on a god like pedestal or say its the worst thing to ever be spawned by mankind
Most dont talk about cinematography or sound editing or lighting or any sort of actual film making technique. They just deconstruct the plot and say good plot I liked it 10/10 or bad plot worst movie ever made. Its pathetic reviewing and Roger Ebert is rolling in his grave because of it.
>>81007599
genuinely, i can say that i expected to see things. i did.
>>81007362
>Overly long
>Civil War is the exact same length
>Is also a part of the Captain America franchise which is no_fun_allowed.jpg
The fuck?
>>81007599
That perfectly describes my emotions towards MoS though.
>>81007226
Fucking kek
>>81007493
pull back the budget and the hype and the expectations
They can still make mediocre movies that people go to see based on name recognition, but they will never be the top dogs. Just keep churning out the bad blockbusters like Michael Bay does. Works for Sony and Fox too. There will always be an audience of 12 year old white boys who will spend their allowance on any "big" movie regardless of quality.
>>81007606
I heard it was because it's sandwiched inbetween two Marvel movies and Transformers.
>>81007606
not him
association if anything
>>81007574
He'll wait until a general consensus is made and then give it the opposite review
>>81007507
>They Who Shall Not Be Named
>>81006957
How did the cartoon manage to pull this off in like 3 episodes but these people can't do it in a near 3 hour movie?
>>81007606
Because it's assuming two things.
One: that there are hordes of unsatisfied WW fans who are dying to see a movie.
There aren't.
Two: Women will go the movie more than usual and make it a success there.
They won't.
Do you remember Snakes on a Plane?
Every so often Hollywood execs get into their head that there's some kind of golden goose out there that they just need a find a way to reach.
Snakes on a Plane was an attempt to capture the "Internet Golden Goose". It failed.
Now they're trying to get the "Feminist Golden Goose".
Look at the new Ghostbusters.
Catching audiences is like catching a cat.
If you make obvious attempts to catch the cat, it will avoid you.
Sometimes the best thing you can do is just do what you do and hope it's what the cat wants.
>>81007633
1 minute is two different lengths if you want to shit very badly depending on which side of the door you are.
>>81007518
>DC is over.
>>81007593
But aren't people already calling it the Snyder-verse? The whole thing focuses around him.
>>81007090
What IS the problem then?
Not enough slapstick? Not enough jokes? Not enough "fun" (subjective term)? Too much thought put into a movie about two dudes fighting?
I hope WB does not care about any of these because if so were doomed with formulaic by-the-numbers superhero films forever.
>>81004978
You mean Batman: The Dark Knight Returns. Featuring Superman from the Man of Steel Series.
>>81007633
Over long is only tangentially related to duration. Lets be real.
For example, hateful eight was long as fuck. While I didn't end up liking it or hating I still didn't feel like it was a waste of my time. For the duration of the film I was invested and I walked out feeling like I'd been in the cinema for like an hour and a bit at most.
Overly long is the construct of enjoyment measured in separate parts by pacing and length. If you're good in both of those it won't feel long. If you're lacking in one or the other subjective duration increases noticeably.
>>81007525
I have a hunch he probably loves Daredevil, which is just a Batman show under a different title.
What reviewer will actually influence your decision on the movie /cotv/?
>>81007613
Well do you have any specific reviewer that you think is left out from the standards?
Any major paper or website that is not represented but should be?
>>81007023
Nailed it.
>>81007062
MM is a criminally underrated movie that was way ahead of it's time
>>81007743Jeremy Jahns
>>81007272
That's what people have been saying for fucking years
>It's 2012, the Avengers is out, a good send off for capes because this is the year the cape movie bubble pops.
>Ok ignore last year, 2013 is the year Marvel's dethroned and cape shits go the way of detective movies.
>Seriously, guys, say goodbye to cape movies, 2014 is the year the bubble pops
>Alright Age of Ultron wasn't great so you know what that means? Bye bye cape shits. 2015 is it.
>ok now 2016 will definitely be-
You get the point. Same shit different toilet.
>>81007743
>>81007783
both for me
>>81007780
This.
It took the piss out of capeshit before capeshit was even a problem
>>81007729
The lack of fun criticism seems consistent in every review. I have no idea what this even means either. Maybe there's a lot of political or philosophical mumbo jumbo as with every Snyder film
But what else were these people expecting?
>>81007780
This.
Mystery Men has gotten even funnier with all the capeshit movies that have been released over the last decade and a half. It works a lot better now that there are plenty of superhero movies to mock.
>>81007743
Him, Jeremy Jahns and John Flickinger
>>81007789
It's because of how things evolved. Much like action, sci-fi, and horror, superhero movies have pretty much become their own genre.
Their popularity will ebb and recede, but it's not a bubble that's going to pop and go away.
>>81005900
If superheroes were real they wouldn't be heroes.
Snyderverse isn't realistic. X-men is.
I know that I said that I hoped BvS would make MoS better in retrospect, but I didn't mean "in comparison"
>>81007783
>>81007743
>>81007807
You are funny people. Don't tell me you entire trust these guys with what movies you see. I watch Stuckman all the, but there is no way I would ever rely on his opinion on a movie.
I'm sure it's going to buried in this sub somewhere but I had some spare time so I wanted to give my two cents even though it won't mean much.
I've been a longtime lurker of this sub because I've been waiting longtime to see how DCEU is going to establish itself, and because I'm a big fan of movies and superheroes in general.
I really liked this sub ever since I started to lurk because of its level-headedness and constant optimism to see this through, and even with a lot of ridicule DCEU seemed to have received from some corners of the internet this sub remained strong.
>However, as the reviews started to pour in, I am seeing a lot of panicking posts and accusations that I think are not warranted until we wait at least the opening weekend and most importantly for the first month.
>The reasons why I say this:
>Point 1: Box Office is the King
>"As of this moment, it looks like it could end up being a disaster for WB/DC... But yeah, holy shit. There's probably serious panic going on that the studio right now."
cont
>>81007780
Wasn't that the movie with the girl who had a possessed bowling ball or something?
I've had that movie on my mind for years but can never remember the name...
>>81007748
No more a general commentary on the state of modern day internet reviewers. Most know almost nothing about movie making and just go with gut reactions to the move instead of actually trying to impartially analyze it.
But let me be clear Im not saying that they are wrong about BvS. Im sure it is overly serious in the same way that nolanverse was at times.
>>81007633
>another, better movie is just as long
You're mistaking figurative length for literal length.
If you've got a shitty boring story, two hours can be overlong. An hour and a half can be overlong.
It doesn't matter if the movie is three or four hours long if the story can hold up for that long.
Jesus it's like I'm talking to a small, cranky child.
>>81007814
Fun is a buzz word for enjoyment. It's like a technically skilled painting that fails to elicit an emotional appreciation. Technically it's a good painting but's it's failed to engage with you on a human and personal level.
Essentially immersion was shit and people couldn't properly invest in character past them being devices to barrack for and forward the plot. Bet on it.
>>81007814
To me, the "lack of fun" all points to it being boring.
Think back on George Lucas' war scenes in eps 1-3.
Remember how there was shit constantly going on? All this flash, all this bang, all this constant action and CG.
Yet it was BORING. All of this happening, and there was no enjoyment to it, it came across as banal and lifeless.
>>81007871
Reddit damage control for your enjoyment.
part 2
>Only 2 hours after the embargo is lifted, this is one of the posts I see right off the bat. Sure the reviews are divisive and not meeting the expectation that you had, but really? WB/DC is shitting their pants now because of divisive reviews? The reason why I say this is because ultimately, Box Office determines the future of DCEU. Many people have pointed this out, but I think I had to stress this one more time. There are countless movies with "negative" or mediocre reviews that have made not only big opening weekend numbers, but a great multiplier (legs). Sure higher rated movies usually have good legs but it's not always true and vice versa. What we need to do is to wait and see how the audience reacts not just the opening weekend but also the 2nd weekend. If it drops less than 59% ish, it's actually a good hold. Closer to 50%, it's an amazing hold for a movie this size. If it's more than 65%, then I would say the word of mouth is not good and the total might not be as high as it could have been.
>Just for Box Office reason alone I think we should reserve how the studio might react, and how we should react in terms of the future development of DCEU.
cont
>>81007743
Armond "Honourary" White
>>81007871
>>81007915
which sub?
>>81007854
M O N K E Y S P A W
>>81007915
part 3
>Point 2: The Reviews:
>As of now, I only see 40 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. Blockbusters usually get 250 to 300 reviews by the end of its run (sometimes way more like Star Wars). Let's wait until more reviews come in. Sure it is not as good as people were hoping for, and it's completely possible it might not go up or even go down. But Rotten Tomatoes is basically like/dislike system. It can be a good movie, a great movie, but if the review didn't enjoy it for some reason, it can be a negative. Sure the ratings are used as a benchmark for the quality of the film, but you can have many mediocre reviews barely passing it as a fresh and have 95% yet the movie itself is plain meh. Or you can have a very divisive film that's good, even great that simply did not resonate with half of the people. Whatever the reason, these ratings should not be the factors that bring your anticipation down to rock bottom, or make you start declaring this whole project as failure, especially if YOU have yet to see it. Which brings me to my last point...
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>>81007903
>believing one should be above enjoyment
you're an idiot, pull the mile long stick out of your ass and maybe you'll understand why people want to have fun
>>81007839
I think Westerns pretty much popped and went away. I mean some one tries every 2 or 3 years. but no ones going
>ooooooooooooo lets get in on that sweet horse and six shooter action.
And I don't think that's going to be capes anytime soon but it could happen eventually. especially after a string of failures. Like a year or 2 of disappointing movies.
>>81006553
>>81007376
Spectacular. As in, presenting of spectacle. Strikingly large and obvious. Flashy and eye catching.
A fireworks display can be a spectacle, but it need not be deep or form a narrative. A literal train wreck can be a spectacle, but it need not be entertaining.
A movie can be spectacular, that is, big, loud, and flashy, without being any good. Michael Bay has made his entire career of just that.
>>81007854
We warned you not to use it, anon.
>>81007872
It is indeed that movie, anon.
>>81007871
>>81007915
>>81007939
At first I didn't realize you were quoting someone from reddit. I assumed calling /co/ a "level-headed sub" was some poor bait to start off a shitty post. Anyway wow, redditors sure talk like self-important fags.
>>81007933
the DC_Cinematic one. All DCEU discussion. Full on damage control, 5 stages of grief, and feel good post right now
>>81007915
part something lost count. Laughing too hard
>Point 3: You/Me/Us
>What matters the most to you, should be you. It's obvious but sometimes I guess it's hard to see that. Whether this film gets fair/unfair criticisms, good/bad performance, the experience for yourself is going to be directly influenced by you. Please wait until you see the film yourself to judge it yourself. Don't let opinions of some people influence how you see this film. You are the one going to pay and spend your time to see this film. You are the one that's going to love/like/hate/dislike this film.
It's not all dark and gloom yet. Enjoy the ride as fun as you can!
Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us into something better.
Finished. Expect more of this as time goes on and those reviews don't get better.
>>81007956
Not that guy but it's bullshit that we've decided that fun and enjoyment is only simple light hearted stuff.
>>81006714
It doesn't have to be good and/or misunderstood for that to happen. Surely you realize this by now.
>>81007991
this aproach of defining words only goes to support the narrative that DCfags are emotionless autists
>>81007995
Tanks, anon.
That's been bugging me for-fucking-ever.
>>81007891
>>81007903
>>81007911
So you're telling me you fags WATCH cape films tor conversations about morality and dialog, NOT explosions and watching men in tights rub up against each other
Then every single one of you is doing it wrong. All of these films are mindless shit, if you're shocked this movie's enjoyment derives from watching capes beat each other up, then you missed the point that's highlighted to you from the title.
You don't watch X-Men for the politics of mutants, you watch it to see mutants punch each other in the face. Why is this any different?
>>81007710
Well, the new Ghostbusters is a bad idea because it's A. derivative, and B. derivative of a highly actor-dependent movie, but Wonder Woman doesn't have that problem (or at least not more than any other variety of capeshit). And regardless of whether or not a mediocre movie can still hit this "golden goose," the movie should still do fine if it's actually good.
I CAN'T wait for the longer R-Rated director cut now
>>81008012
but only people who have a problem with fun are saying that
people who LIKE fun would say that fun is something essential ethereal and makes life worth living
>>81007890
So you're saying that there's nothing wrong with RT but rather an inherent flaw in the pool of reviewers they're pulling on?
A couple of anons ago implied that RT was garbage because they only admitted reviewers who gave BvS a bad review and ignored everyone else (who presumably gave it a good review).
Surely that's not what you're saying?
>>81007891Actually if you ask most people in robotics, robots aren't very smart. everything they do is because of a series of precise instructions. At least for now.
>>81007997
They are treating it like their lives depended on BvS, it's too funny. More even because only the posts that are universally liked in their community are the ones on top, so obviously they all are damage control and bargaining with those emotions.
>>81008001
>Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us into something better.
This. This is all you need to make Superman great. Why the fuck do you run away from this WB? Why?!
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT!
>>81007915
I'd say after week 2 1/2 the sales will start plummeting. It have enough legs to reach a week before Civil War comes out and cripples BVS.
>>81006749
>The cast is unimpeachable
That doesn't sound like the glowing endorsement it seems to have been meant as.
>>81008046
>>81007903
You're retarded.
>>81008061
Surely those 30 mins of violence and sex made the difference between 40 and 90 RT. Right?......right?
>>81008084
So /co/ but replace at the "top" with memes and shitposting
>>81008045
>you dont watch Xmen for the politics of mutants
I really want /tv/ to leave...
>>81008061
Reminds me of Watchmen.
The uncut version is better than the theatrical.
>>81006714
I saw it and liked it, honestly surprised it is getting this shit on critically
>>81007854
You did this!
>>81008045
What I watch them for is my business but no I never said any of that. I just said it failed to get a response from people regardless of how objectively well it was made. In laymen's it was soulless. On anon offered a simple analogy with the prequel star wars war scenes; a lot of flash but not much behind it. Even if you're their for flash and pomp no one likes clutter. It still has to get that emotional response even if it's just excitement that the dude you like is hurting the dude you don't.
>>81007743
>>81007783
>people legitimately value the opinions of dollar-store tier 'critics' like jahns and stuckman
They're both about as insightful as a monster truck rally.
>>81008086
Blame Nolan and TDK getting critical praise and good box office. No DC movie will attempt any different for a while.
>>81008045
>You don't watch X-Men for the politics of mutants, you watch it to see mutants punch each other in the face. Why is this any different?
I watch it for both, you fucking faggot. Fuck off back to your MCU.
>>81008122
Not by much
>>81008050
The major problem with the WW movie is that it's going in with two agendas.
One: Make a movie that will strengthen the "brand". It needs to catch DC back up to relevancy
Two: It needs to be feminist and capture the feminist market. You're dealing with the first solo female supe movie. That means eyes are especially focused on gender issues.
With that much baggage it's hard for it to be good on its own sake
>>81006749
>Yeah it's alright I guess
>People take this as if it's bad
Even more
>Some of the negative reviews are people praising it
>It's bad anyways
Where's the quality control?
>>81006807
>All in all, job done, just about.
>>81004978
It's still going to make a fuckton of money. That's all that matters.
>>81005608
>>81005950
The review from the Irish Times is so Irish I think the guy just mistook the splat icon for a shamrock
>>81007459
Goddamit, Carlos.
>>81008102
Says the guy who needs the criticism 'it's not fun' explained to him by anons.
>>81007743
I know a couple of guys in YT. This one included. I usually don't base it in just one guy. It has to be at least 10.
Either way, I'm going to pay for a zootopia ticket, and sneak into BvS.
>>81008109
I bet almost all the cuts are from the first act since that is what critics are saying starts really slow.
>>81007308
>Yeah, Batman not so much... or WW... or Flash... now that i think about it.
Nah, I can think of moments for all those.
With Batman, it's a scene like pic related. Wonder Woman hangs out with little kids and plays with them all the time too. Flash is the people's champion hometown hero. There's a reason he has a museum. He's even on good terms with his rogues.
The comics and the characters aren't the problem. It's Snyder going "these are gods in a modern mythology! I must alienate them and set them apart from the cattle!"
>>81008149
>>81008118
>Watching X-Men movies for the mutant politics
>The one thing is does wrong
Are you actually retarded or just contrarian? Nigga none of these movies are made to be groundbreaking and thought provoking unless you have actual mental problems
>>81008043
No problem, bro.
>>81008153
But it is the preferred version to watch.
>>81008159
Maybe it's because I'm a filthy SJW or something, but it doesn't seem all that hard. Don't have her fight Egg Fu and don't have her lose her powers by being captured by a man, and honestly, there aren't that many ways you could fuck it up on social issues unless you were trying to. As for the brand... Wonder Woman can handle being a bit darker than Superman without tarnishing the soul of it all, I think. Hollywood inclinations certainly don't have to ruin it.
>>81008223
>Nah, I can think of moments for all those.
Agree. They all have their good moment. But the current run of Batman is extremely edgy. And it's been since... what? 2013?
>>81008129
It's Batman fighting Superman with it's marketing made around making fans fight each other.
Come on guys, DC has had only one good live action movie in the last decade.
Just to be clear, when I say good, I mean it is good by what you hear most people (yes, even outside of 4chan) say. All but two have had mixed opinions at beast, and at worst, Jonah Hex.
>>81008046
>I literally never said that. Did you finish reading.
Nobody finishes reading. They look for a buzzword and click reply. In your case ironically the buzzword was probably "buzzword".
DCfriends still have a miniscule chance that later reviews will turn this up to fresh but if in 2 weeks it stays this way RIP in peace
>>81008134
>reviewers who just say it wasnt fun and give it 0/10 are fine and should be listened to
>People that actually try and analyze the film and give unbiased opinions are shit though
>Out of place villain
>Rushed introduction irrelevant characters
>Weak characterization
>Good but out of place dream sequences
>Introducing too much shit for sequels and spinoffs.
If I didn't know better I'd say Whedon just kamikaze'd DC.
>>81007624
kek
KEK
>>81008024
Wouldn't my post actually be more befitting of a "marveldrone"?
>>81007780
Agreed, mah mugga.
>>81007633
If you are having a lot of fun at an amusement park but you can only be there for two hours, it will feel too short.
If you get kicked in the balls for two hours, it will be excruciatingly long.
Do you see the difference?
>>81007970
And Westerns sustained decades where there was a new one released nearly every other week.
You've got some time before the public is sick of it.
>>81008296
JESUS CHRIST. Replace the word "fun" with "entertaining"
HAPPY NOW? That is probably what he meant. He didn't write "THIS ISN'T A MARVEL QUIPSFEST 0/10" like you think.
Fucking hell, direct your hate towards Snyder.
>>81007023
>>81006421
Since when is 2.5/5 a positive review?
>>81007459
I will fuck you with a rake.
>>81007624
Well that was....a movie.
>>81008323
AoU and BvS have the same disease.
It's producers getting greedy
They distilled down what started the MCU (primarily Iron Man) and said "Use this, fuck your ideas, use this".
>>81007894
Why are you mad? Why do you have to get into hypothetic situations? It's almost like you're crank yourself and you're projecting judgment on everybody who even so much as doesn't agree with you.
Guys,
It's38% now
>>81008225
Always nice to know that I can visit /co/ and see how terrible it continues to get with the non-stop faggotry. Go die in a fire.
>>81008259
That's the beauty of an adaptation. You don't have to pull from just the current run.
Having said that you also shouldn't pull from twenty different conflicting movies. Birthright, All Star, and Earth One mix about as well as oil and water. And now it looks like The Dark Knight Returns andThe Death of Supermanaren't a very good mix either.
>>81008350
That's a false equivalence and also does not change that this reviewer is being hypocritical since length is a literal thing, not figurative.
One grimdark long action movie and another grimdark long action movie are being held as different things when they are not.
>>81008409
>When wrong, be edgy
Get rekt scrub
>>81008046
But Pym was great in Ant-man.
>>81008364
>only one reviewer said it wasnt fun
>multiple ones said just wait for marvel or something similar
Not saying all the negative reviews are drones or anything but a lot of the reviews on both sides were biased. I trust people like flickpick and stuckmann to be at least mildly objective
>>81008370
Just reading that has put the biggest shit eating grin on my face. I really don't get what's wrong with this.
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/22/batman-v-superman-review-zack-snyders-doomsday
>With all preconceived notions of how Batman and Superman should be portrayed put aside, I can say with complete certainty that Batman v Superman is not a particularly well made film. It is, in fact, the film that finally drives home to me the reality that Zack Snyder is not particularly great at storytelling
>It’s almost crazy how flimsy and poorly constructed the first hour of the film is. Snyder and his editors seem to have inserted scenes haphazardly; while most take place in what seem to be chronological order there is no flow from one scene to another.
>The film is too long by half and yet it never finds time to do any character work, focusing instead on relentlessly moving forward its over-complicated, unmotivated plot.
>The one bright spot in the film is Batman, played by Ben Affleck as the one character who has any sort of character at all.
>Gal Gadot is fine as Wonder Woman, playing a character without any depth. She seems cool in battle?
>Luthor’s machinations in the film are, essentially, nonsense (one of his dastardly plans involves a jar of piss), and they are largely unmotivated.
>Eisenberg is next-level terrible as Luthor. He’s a twitchy lunatic pretty much from the start, and if there are any events in the story that lead to him escalating his plot to the point of creating an unstoppable monster I missed them.
>To say that Superman v Batman: Dawn of Justice is a bad movie doesn’t go far enough. This film feels like Zack Snyder hobbling the entire upcoming DC Movieverse before it gets started. It’s small things, like revealing that Lex Luthor names all the members of the Justice League and gives them their symbols. It’s big things, like where the film leaves the story at the end. And it’s things in between, because the first two movies in this universe have been all about why heroism is essentially bad.
>>81008370
This guy gets it
>>81008434
It is possible to sit through a two-hour-long movie and wish that it was just a LITTLE bit longer.
It is also possible to be an hour into a 90-minute movie and be wondering when the hell it'll be over and done with.
While length itself is a literal thing, whether or not something is "overlong" is entirely subjective.
>Yfw Warner fires Zack and hires George Miller as director of Justice League
>Yfw Warner cuts out the middleman and hires Terrance Malick to direct MoS 2
>>81007278
I have a friend who unironically believes that Fantastic Four is better than any of the X-Men movies except for Deadpool
>>81007457
Because it's not amazing.
RT is basically a "watch/avoid scale". A movie can have 5/10 and still get like 70% "watch/fresh".
The movie is bad, most people who rate fresh are just saying "meh, worth a watch at list. Bring popcorn and low expectations"
>>81008509
Too bad Warner doesn't.
>>81008370
Saved.
