This seems really forced. Wolverine has fought alongside "kids" before, why is it such a big deal now?
Because they were being turned into solders and forced to kill,
coupled with his Guilt over Failing Laura
Coupled with his Guilt over being manipulated into killing his own children.
Coupled with being sick as hell with being Cyclops attack dog.
Serious Scott gave Logan no real respect during this period, Treating him and Laura like weapons, when ever logna raised objections with Scotts course of action, scott blew him off and disregarded his oppinion, despite knowing Logan was doing his dirty work and a shit ton for mutants at the time
>>80947515
He killed a bunch of illegitmate kids throw some fucked up plan by some evil dudes and saw that Hope and the new African chick were becoming more fucked up
Cyclops is wrong, cyclops is a faggot and if you think otherwise unironically you are a faggot too
Boy do I hate schism. Logan raised Kitty, Hisako and Laura as his sidekicks and now he fells bad about kids fighting? fuck that
>>80947515
Wolverine always gets weird about kids. It's his one weakpoint other than hockey and beer.
Besides, he's completely right. Scott could solo that thing in a heartbeat if he wanted to. There's no need to involve children.
>>80948551
Scott is raising those kids the way he was raised- Constantly at risk, and fighting giant robots. Scott has been at this shit since he was a skinny ass 16 year old orphan with uncontrollable death ray eyes, and the threat level against mutants has only gone up since then.
How about we split the difference and say both Cyclops and Wolverine are both assholes, but for different reasons?
>>80948504
Don't forget about Jubilee. Schism was such B.S.
>>80947515
This was the point where the X-Men really started turning into garbage, with everyone acting wildly out of character to make the shitty stories work.
>>80949162
Nah. All "Everyone is wildly out of character" threads start with Bishop either being Pro-Sentinel Internment Camp (so Decimation/Civil War) or a serial killer/mass murderer out to kill a baby to prevent a future that already stopped existing (Messiah Complex)
Honestly the only thing that has gone right since House of M for the X-Men was that Mike Carey had a pretty solid run.
>>80947515
The idea that there would BE a schism in the overgrown X-Men cast was brilliant, the actual story was an unstructured mess.
That Hardcoreclops would take the badass position after years and years of being the goody-two-shoes X-Man and cold-blooded Killerverine was the one to get all mushy about endangering kids was better than dramatic: it was character growth a longtime coming.
And the question of how to best protect mutantkind and it's future is going to schism around if children are that future or the means to defend that future. Makes sense.
But that there's a SanFran public museum fuckup involving a traumatized mutant child is irrelevant to the storyline and the only adult mutants (of 50+) on the island when the sentinel attacks is idiotic and that the two highly trained X-Men trying to be the responsible one both ignore the threat to fight each other (???) is beyond a bad characterization.
They could have and should have done this completely differently. But it did need to happen.
>>80949242
Bishop has always been a stupid character.
He's a timetraveller from the future who didn't expect to timetravel from the future.
He didn't know his history, everything he saw in that history wasn't what he expected it to be like, he didn't have a reason to exist in his past beyond a few future fugitives that were quickly all ended, even the (great) villian archnemesis Fitzroy was killed off.
Why was Bishop there at all?
To warn the team that someone would betray the X-Men??? That's happened ten times since then.
He never had any motivation beyond his fascist X-cop intention to turn the X-Men more hardcore and violent. '90s mullet bigGUN style!
So it does kinda make some sense that the first time he sees an opportunity to alter history in a major way he takes it and tries to kill the next Phoenix before she happens.
He is a fascist killer cop from the dystopian future. "Phoenix = bad" is something he would believe and act upon in his always ultraviolent way.
>>80947669
>Because they were being turned into solders and forced to kill,
It was good for X years and all of sudden it's bad?
>>80949242
>All "Everyone is wildly out of character" threads start with Bishop either being Pro-Sentinel Internment Camp
>Bishop is pro-camps
>Messiah wants to lead muggas out of camps
>hilarity ensues
Bravo Bishop.
What got me is that it just came too little too late.
After the bus bomb it was on. The kids went to hell and back, fought Nimrod, where fighting in Messiagh complex and more than earned their roles as full X-men.
It really fucking pisses me off that they deny them their growth and status as super heroes proper and think they can just go back to math class after all they've been through.
Fucking Kitty is a full X-men and she went through far less to prove
>>80947515
Is this before or after he murdered all his bastard children?
>>80950095
Can anyone tell me why half that class is constant background fodder in X-Books and a quarter (that aren't dead) have never been seen again?
It's not like the ones they kept around are that much more memorable.
>>80950200
... one still lives.
>>80950095
>Pixie
>Mercury
>Surge
And of all kids, I'm stuck with Anole and Glob Meme.
>>80950202
Because every new set of writers likes to shoe horn in their own new class and we have to have the same nostalgia bait
>>80947669
Still, the whole "Logan being upset about Idie beng forced to fight and kill" was retarded.
If she didn't, Anole, Dust and some other kids would have been killed by those Hellfire guys.
Logan didn't give a fuck about them, he was ok with letting them die, so his Kitty Pryde Of The Month could keep her hands clean.
>>80950300
Im not 100% but Im pretty sure Armor may have killed
>>80950274
That still doesn't explain why some are randomly forgotten altogether and others get to have dialog with that new writer's nostalgia bait.
>>80950342
Last I saw her an evil-ized Bamf had teleported her out of her armor and so she had effectively lost her powers.
Don't know how that logic works but there you go.
>>80947515
>This seems really forced
It's almost like this event is fucking terrible or something.
>>80950373
because the comic book business isnt conducive to good writing
>>80948504
The best part was, the latest generation of children literally had to fight to survive, because people were literally coming to their doorstep to kill them.
>come to the school, where like 60 students were violently murdered, it's safe there, you don't have to fight
>>80950496
But muh WatXM wacky adventures with toilets equipped with flamethrowers!
>>80948784
Would you say he has been doing this for 19 years?
Would you say he's putting in work and it's all for the kids, but these cats done forgot what work is?
>>80950544
He's the guy that's always very focused on just the one thing.
He sets an objective and that's the only thing he does.
Of course he can lose sight of all other important things.
And he likely doesn't even know what a normal childhood is.
It's Marvel's fault, they rejected their saviour.
>>80948551
You take that back!
I have never seen any comic, movie, or cartoon portray that violent drunken Cannucklehead as a hockey fan.
>>80950936
Charles? Charles! You've come back! You're alive again! I thought that Scott had killed you! Thank Phoenix you're alive!
>>80950414
I think she was eventually able to utilize her armor separately from herself. Surge and dust I don't know. Mercury turned lesbians, with Bling!, and Anole, Santo, Hellion, and like one more guy were just hanging around the school for background fodder. Elixir was killed in that wolverine event where Laura eventually took the namesake. Then revived and killed again by Bendis?
>>80951231
>Elixir was killed in that wolverine event where Laura eventually took the namesake. Then revived and killed again by Bendis?
Killed by Bunn.
There's a hundred foot tall super mutant killing machine on its way to the very last somewhat safe place for mutants. In order to protect the young mutants from the huge mutant killing machine, Logan stabs the man telling the kids how to fight. He also tosses some explosives into the mix cause he's such a fucking retard that he can't solve anything without over the top violence.
Also, didn't the kids pull off a win despite Wolverine trying to make people pacifists by stabbing them?
Cyclops was right, Wolverine was and always will be a deranged psychopath who stabs people.
>>80950544
Not that guy, but I would say those things.
>>80947515
Jason Aaron is a really shitty writer, especially when writing events. See: Original Sin.
>>80947515
>why is it such a big deal now
because comic universes got more grimdark since the earlier batches of kid sidekicks
>>80951639
What, you don't love his comedy book Wolverine and the X-Men? With stellar villain like fan-favorite Hellfire Club, Mystique and Sabretooth!
>>80950743
>What is DMX
I spent a whole 5 minutes trying to think where your reply fitted in "X Gon' Give It to Ya"
>>80951438
Furthermore, kids specifically said they wanted to fight alongside Cyclops.
>>80950496
I never saw a good argument for Logan's school bullshit.
>>80951999
Boy, Logan doesn't even need to talk directly to Scott to get roasted by him.
Speaking about logan, could someone tells me why logan is so attractive tword teenage girls as a father figure ? I know he's cool and bad ass, but many other middle age men in x-men are cool too, and they probably don't drik as much as logan do. I know the girls like bad boy things, but the girls are not looking for romantic interest, they're looking for father figure.
>>80951639
>>80951999
"I don't want your job!"
>Leaves, gets Scott's job
>Does more or less exactly what Scott did
Bravo Wolverine, bravo.
Schism would at least have been more interesting if there was an even split among the X-men between the Cyclops and Wolverine factions, Wolverine practically got ALL the good X-men on his side and Cyclops got left with Magneto, Danger Room, Namor, Emma, Juggernaut Colossus and Magik. There was zero doubt as to who was moral victor.
>>80952276
Self-insert.
>>80952669
Storm, too. Of course, she's more whiny.
>>80952706
Are you saying that Extinction team is weak?
>>80949788
>Bishop has always been a stupid character.
Mugga, I will fight you!
>>80950496
Those kids were barely mentioned after that book sans 23
>>80952787
No but they are composed of mostly ex villains and morally dubious types. Compare that to Wolverine's gang which had most of the core X-men (including 3 out of 5 of the original team as well as Prof X's blessing). Cyclops ended up being painted as the bad guy from the start.
>>80952844
So? X-Men always allow villains to reform.
>core X-Men
>Icegay and Angel
Not something to brag about.
>>80952825
>tfw Bishop and Sage will never team up for a District X relaunch
>>80950216
yeah but there was that one wolverine h8 group. I loved that girls father.
> Girl: Are you working today father?
> dad: Well lets see sweetheart
> puts gun to temple and pulls trigger
>*click*
> dad: yeah ....I guess im working today
>>80950743
Only focused on one thing, like seeing with one eye. Like a cyclop!
>>80952907
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>>80952870
Man, District X was awful. Entirely poorly written and boring procedural book with no likable characters or interesting storylines, trying to turn Bishop into John Shaft, Samuel L. Jackson edition. Bishop was a cop from a dystopian "shoot first, ask questions later" style Judge Dredd law enforcement future, trying to play him off as a cool detective was dumb as hell.
That said, if they gave it to PAD and made akin to X-Factor, with Bishop being horribly inept at pretending to be a gruff lead detective character, entirely because he saw some episodes of say, Law and Order and thinks that's how cops talk and act in real life, it'd read it.
>>80952844
>Compare that to Wolverine's gang which had most of the core X-men (including 3 out of 5 of the original team as well as Prof X's blessing).
I always thought they were a bunch of weak faggots for just leaving instead of trying to argue with Scott or have an election.
Every time some one came to him and said they had a bad feeling about what they were doing, he would explain himself and practically beg for another solution, but no one ever came up with anything.
>>80948504
Killing theres a diffrence
>>80953411
That's what you get when writers want to make shit happen but don't know how to do it.
So they proceed to hack their way.
>>80950544
> been at this for 19 years
You wanna fight him, fight these tears.
>>80951665
>Hellfire Club
I will never forgive Aaron for that stupid shit, especially since the father of one of the kids would have made a far more interesting and yet traditional X-men enemy.
>>80953604
But how else would Idie get pushed? And, kek, romance plot with Broo? WatXM is shit and everyone who bought it deserves Purifier's flames.
>>80952276
Just writers copying Claremont with no regard for why Claremont's stories worked
Schism would have made more sense if it took place after AvX instead of before
>>80947515
while the reasons behind everything and everything that's happened since Schism was stupid the actual fight scene between Wolverine and Cyclops is one of the best ever in comics.
Alan Davis is a master and that whole fight was his best work ever.
>>80949799
It's called a breaking point. Honestly the writing is terrible in this instance and probably doesn't fit, but soldiers and people who have experienced shit happening have been known to snap all of a sudden.
>>80955980
Schism would make more sense if it had been between Cyclops and Storm
>>80951999
>>80952038
Why is Scott so fucking right/ co/?
>>80956880
Some are born with it.
>>80948784
Hes been doing this shit for 19 years
Question I want to find a Scott page that will match every line of X gon Give it to Ya, and then do a storytime.
Any help bros?
http://genius.com/Dmx-x-gon-give-it-to-ya-lyrics
Wolverine wanting to protect kids is fine, they just did it really badly.
also cyclops should be old, retired, and living with Maddie in Alaska but whatever.
>>80952844
Ironically pretty much all the ones Wolverine got were boring has-beens going through the motions, while pretty much everyone on Gillen's side developed as a character, had new stories and got more popular over all.
Of course now most of them are disappeared or neutered back to mediocrity again. Leave it to Marvel to keep things fresh.
>>80947515
Wolverine is one of the most insufferable hypocrites in comics. How long did he bring Jubilee into fights? He's murdered children for fuck sakes.
>>80950373
Same author did a wallpaper comic
>>80957043
Add Emma as well and call it a day.
>>80951231
Is every X woman bisexual?>>80952276
All women want to fuck there dad
>>80957053
Wolverine murdered a lot of people, but Scott was always the first to defend him. Then someone decided the Scott/Jean/Logan love triangle should come back for cheap drama.
Wolverine was under control by The Hand and murdered Northstar. Emma Frost wanted him out of the school, but Scott stood by his friend.
Scott goes Dark Phoenix and kills Xavier, Wolverine just shits all over him " I never killed anyone that mattered"
>>80948504
I don't remember him ever being particularly happy about training child soldiers? Or do you always only do things you like doing?
>>80947515
because Wolverine is a hypocrite
Xaiver recruited child soldiers since the fucking beginning
>>80957223
It's bad when Hitlerclops does it.
>>80956880
Because the writers tried way too hard to make him a bad guy, ignoring years of history, development, and characterizations. It's the sort of thing that made Civil War a fuckfest with the added drama of being the X-men
>>80952844
That was the point
>Raise your hand if you've never been a super villian
>What's the differnce between Iraq and North Korea? Iraq didnt have WMDs. Every day we remind them that we do.
>>80957170
>Wolverine was under control by The Hand and murdered Northstar. Emma Frost wanted him out of the school, but Scott stood by his friend.
>Scott goes Dark Phoenix and kills Xavier, Wolverine just shits all over him " I never killed anyone that mattered"
Fucking manlets. Not even once.
>>80950743
I vehemently disagree with this post. He used to have morals, ethics and perspective. I remember he even tried to talk Strife down in the middle of battle when he began to suspect he was actually Nathan summers.
>>80947515
Wasn't Jubilee like 11 and Wolverine's sidekick for a long ass time? That's as silly as Batman complaining about child labor.
>>80957023
You mean this one?
>>80957779
Wanda happened.
I rarely read X-Men comics and only ever watched the cartoons and movies and I can't fucking stand Scott.
Why the fuck is he still relevant? Why after decades he's still put into these comics with real no development that sticks? He's as annoying as that girl with glasses and blonde hair on Arrow.
>>80957890
>only ever watched the cartoons and movies and I can't fucking stand Scott.
That's your problem
In adaptations he's just the boyscout leader who spends most of his time getting mad at Wolverine for wanting to bang his girlfriend/wife
>>80950936
That fuckwit did more damage to the franchise than any other writer in history.
>>80957931
But from the storytimes and clips of comics I've seen on /co/ he's almost exactly the same.
>>80957968
Nah. Bendis did it with House of M, EXTINCTION 4 EVER status quo enforced by Quesada and utterly pointless All-New and Uncanny X-Men.
>>80957045
True. It made me finally love Namor as a character, rather than annoying douchebag trying to cuck Reed
Namor should re-join to X-Men
>>80958402
He should find his head first.
>>80958425
It could be easily retconned.
Like, collect 7 dragon balls and make a wish.
Jokes aside, fuck squaTron supreme
>>80958471
Yeah. I hoped that book will be better. Instead we got page after page of exposition.
>>80958493
Let's be honest. The only SS worth reading is Gruenwald's mini. And some folks also love that MAX series. Anyone who wants SS, can read JLA.
>>80948504
I never read Schism, but I started reading X-Men during the Regenesis banner that followed it.
It didn't seem to me that Wolverine didn't want kids to be X-Men or superheroes in general, he just didn't want them to be soldiers.
>>80958540
Oh, I agree with you completely. Squadron Supreme with Utopia is awesome, sequel I didn't like much and Supreme Power was OK. I doubt this Squadron will survive to twelve issues, unless some wild event tie-in appears.
>>80958619
And yet, they get two spin-offs, Hyperion and Nighthawk.
It's sad that weirldworld has to go, as the art is glorious, and the concept is great, but the writing suffers the same problems as most marvel books nowadays.
You know, it's kind of annoying how the x-men keep flirting with uniforms, but after a week they turn right around and change into their "iconic" outfits. And then the next artist/writer tries to introduce a NEW uniform.
>>80957890
>only ever watched the cartoons and movies
>not liking Scott as the Wolverine on Wolverine and the X-Men
>>80958606
Yeah, and repeatedly, life had shown him how wrong he was.
Also, why did he installed death-machines in toilet (for example), if he didn't want kids to be soldiers?
Or, I guess that it's okay in sniktbub's philosophy for kids to gamble, as long as they are not soldiers as well. I mean, anything but being soldier
>>80958705
I don't know man, their new uniforms look like based on original ones. and I don't remember them ever reverting FULLY to previous outfits.
I mean, sure, Cyclops still wears condom suit, but it doesn't look the same as the one he wore in 70s, and he certainly doesn't have his 90s look since, well... 90s
>>80958669
Ha, indeed. Because one Black Knight wasn't enough.
>>80958787
Books that are less likely to survive should have more compressed storytelling. If someone wants to pay 4 bucks for an obscure character, I guess that said person wants the money worth.
Unless marvel doesn't really care about having a steady ongoing and just wants some quick buck.
Still, I'm amazed how Deadpool became a success, to the point that we're going to get another 80-page special with issue #13. So, it's possible, you just need a good writer for a book.
>>80958879
It still baffles me how Deadpool became so popular. And he was created like everything else Liefeld created: ripping off. And where is Deathstroke today?
This thread is full of logan apologists
>>80959026
Slade was always an humorless dick who picked on children.
>>80959085
What were they thinking with Tera subplot?
>>80959037
Not anymore. We're going to bub them out of their snikts
>>80959026
Good writers, gimmick. He was like X-Treme Deathstroke mixed with Spider-Man.
Add tragic backstory, connections to Wolverine, and insanity, and voila.
>>80959085
True. But he still has solid stories. While not a hit, he certainly deserved better than he got.
>>80947515
because it's a fight or flight response, if they have a chance of escaping without fighting, they should.
scott wants the kids to fight and possibly die.
logan wants them to flee because it's a viable option.
>>80959446
logan wants to explode them with the island, because he is insane. thank god, he is dead.
>>80959446
>logan wants them to flee
What a woman.
>>80959446
There is nothing wrong with being a child soldier in a world that wants you dead, and in a world, when you can accidentally kill people with a sneeze.
It's essential.
>>80959538
>>not leveling up before fighting
>>run straight into enemy
>>die
ok.
>>80959538
Don't insult women, by comparing them to logan.
It should be
"What a frenchbub"
>>80959563
Yeah, that's what logan does. What a retardbub.
>>80959560
you can't get big and strong when your children don't first grow up to reach their full potential.
>>80959493
Really was intolerable near the end. Too bad Storm is just as bad these days.
>>80959594
and they won't have a chance to grow up, if they don't go through essential training
not to mention, that in-story, wolverine was proven wrong numerous times, when the kids themselves had to save his hairy ass.
>>80959563
It tuned into something stupid like Match, Armor or Rockslide of all people fleeing from a bunch of lame frankensteins armed with flamethrowers. (while Quire and Idie save the day)
>>80959625
Nature abhors void, thus the retardation went to Storm. However, in her defense, she seemed to gain it after sleeping with Logan. It seems like bubmaster spreads his idiocy through intimacy.
>>80959563
How it all turned out with policy of running away?
>>80959584
Sorry anon and women.
What a frenchbub.
>>80959594
Survival of the fittest, bro.
>>80959625
Lemire really went on hatetrain. Magik was hit with hate stick pretty hard.
>>80959631
in this situation, they had an option to escape. fighting was not necessary. fleeing and developing more control over their powers would make them much stronger in the future.
what did they have to gain by fighting? gaining some marginal experience with the risk of dieing? they could just as easily have spent more time honing their skills before being put into a life or death situation.
>>80959688
What has Lemire done to Magik? I only read the first arc to see if it was going to be as terrible as Lemire team books usually are.It was.
>>80959688
Lemire is an interesting case. He claims to love the X-Men, but when asked, he can describe X-Men characters.
And remember, every time you read an interview with marvel employee and see the word "it's a blast to write (smth)", you should know that it's a code for "help me I am in hell".
>>80959762
It's terrible not because Lemire is terrible at team books (he is), but more because he has a shitty status quo to deal with.
OF COURSE, Old Man Logan is thousand times better, but it does remind me a little bit of that grumpy character from Sweet Tooth
>>80959786
*he can't
>>80959762
>X-MEN ARE WARRIORS, NOT KILLERS LIKE CYCLOPS!!11!
Really?
Plus, really shitty feet and I'm not even feetfag. She looks like ape.
>>80959786
Yeah, he's giving out generic lines. "I'm super-excited to write about X-Men and my favorite character XYZ!"
Magik in this case.
>>80959876
And I bet that the only Magik he read was Bendis version, that he didn't even bother with Gillen's, let alone the classic one, except quick google at wiki
Can somebody explain to me what's the difference between Cyclops gathering mutants in one place and train them for survival, Wolverine gathering mutants in one place and train them for survival and Storm gathering mutants in once place and train them for survival?
Why the fuck they bitch about Cyclops if they do same goddamn thing?
>>80959956
Indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if he said that Magik is his favorite mugga only to score some points.
Still, he should said Storm. Her fanbase is waaay more vocal.
>>80960069
He's evil, you know. And he steals all spotlight.
>>80960069
At least Scott and James didn't put their base in Hell.
>>80960069
Because, you can't break those cuffs
>>80960104
>Her fanbase is waaay more vocal.
They are also extremists, who want Storm to be a mary sue.
>>80960146
Don't be damnist anon, it's called "Limbo"
Which actually makes it funny, and begs for a joke.
-Hey man, I didn't read X-Men in a while, where are they now?
-In Limbo.
>>80960154
>They are also extremists, who want Storm to be a mary sue.
Yeah. I don't give a flying fuck about Storm but her fanbase deserves Remender hobo treatment.
>>80957169
>Is every X woman bisexual?
Whatever happened to Lady Phantomex
>>80960200
I'm not a hobo (well...), but I think that I could donate my piss as well.
>>80960340
Everything for the cause, mugga.
>>80960472
I could even be a hobo for a week, to make the piss fit the requirements for "Remender's treatment"
If more people joined it, together we could make hobo piss drowning great again.
>>80960253
I wish Betsy would get back together with Doug. A good, solid partner would help her get her life together so she could be less of a murderous ninja girl.
>>80960530
>dare enter my magical forest
Stupid Remender and his fetishes in our comics.
>>80960584
Eye-Boy, Angel and Doug. My three "favorites".
>>80960607
Frankly, Angel looks like Doug's father, who looks like Eye-Boy's father. I guess that incest really does result in offspring being deformed freaks
>>80960607
Karima is one of my boys.
>>80960742
Sentinels Were Right and Did Nothing Wrong.
>>80960584
>so she could be less of a murderous ninja girl
Not every character needs to stop being a murderous ninja girl at some point. We can just have some murderous ninja girls around indefinetly, you know.
>>80960693
This is now my headcanon.
>>80960742
One Karima, from me for you.
>>80960765
Especially when you want to bang one.
>>80960776
But she just seemed so dead inside for most of Remender's run.
>>80960802
The only good thing that Wood did, was bringing her back.
>>80960815
Can't some characters just be dead inside in peace?
>>80960815
She was dead inside in Cable and X-Force. Probably still dead inside in Bunn's Uncanny. DEAD INSIDE! BLACK CURTAINS!
>>80960841
Don't forget Selene and Maddie.
In dumbest way possible.
>>80960802
Thanks much!
>>80960841
Too bad the art was bad and the writing was boring for that run.
>>80960873
>in Cable and X-Force
You mean X-Force.
>>80960873
>Don't forget Selene and Maddie.
I could forgive dumb resurrection, if the finale wasn't so anti-climatic. Anon, if I was a writer, I would bring back Selene in Elisabeth Bathory style. And Maddie Inferno-style.
The town should have been painted red, and the agony should have been heard on moon. Instead, it basically went
>you're free to go, but you leave arkea to us
What a downer.
>>80957890
>I don't know shit but here is my willfully ignorant opinion
Internet 101
>>80960873
>Don't forget Selene and Maddie.
If Bunn fails to make his Hellfire Club entertaining at this point, the franchise really is beyond saving.
>>80960886
>Too bad the art was bad and the writing was boring for that run.
Run was filled with babies. First we had Shogo, then I don't remember anything, Arkea, Vulcan's baby.
>>80960924
If life taught me anything, it's that X-/co/mrades usually have good ideas.
And lets ignore iDeathstrike.
>>80960957
If I had three wishes, one would go to Hellfire ongoing with Rightclops, Emma, Selene and Maddie.
At least I have my fanfics ;-;
>>80961009
>First we had Shogo
Shit, I forgot that kid came from Woods' run. I think about that kid as little as possible, to be honest.
>At least I have my fanfics ;-;
links?
>>80961009
>Run was filled with babies
hm. Didn't notice that. It's funny, because Vulcan's bastard was Guggenheim. Different writer, but the problem remained.
>>80961081
>not thinking about kid that gave us Booh or whatever
>tfw CBRfags put that as onomatopeia of year
And no links, sorry. I write little and it's really, really shitty. Fiction was never my strong suit.
>>80961085
Did Deathbird even give birth? And what's status of kid, heir to the empire?
>>80961169
>And what's status of kid, heir to the empire?
Well, given that Bendis and Humphries are governing the cosmic stuff, I guess that the status will be "unknown" for a while.
>>80961209
Probably for the better.
Although I would like to see Gladiator's reaction to see kid of his former liege.
>>80961009
>Hellfire ongoing
Who would even write that, though? Bunn could do an ok job with it, I feel like, but he's writing Uncanny. And everyone else left in Marvel is shit.
>>80961306
If I had any say, it'd be Gillen. Probably because last good X-team book I read was his.
>>80961302
Eh, anon, current writers don't have much of that "fun" in their writing, despite their declaration. Their idea of fun is... well, you know what (don't feel like attracting shitposters).
People like Duggan or Spurrier are really rare.
But I must admit, I warmed up a little to Bunn.
>>80961356
Gillen would challenge his inner Morrison, and give us a kinky Hellfire club. Gillen is good as long as he doesn't write teenagers, though.
>>80960815
Hey at least she's not a discount Jean Grey anymore
>>80961356
He's on Vader only because he loves to do it. I'd be really surprised if he came back and wrote for Marvel proper again.
>>80961302
Whatever happened to Gladiator's inexplicable son? Last I ever heard of him was when he was evaced during AvX.
>>80961357
>But I must admit, I warmed up a little to Bunn.
It helps that he really knows his stuff.
>>80961445
Probably, during that 8-month gap, he was taken back by his asshole of a father
>>80951999
People never gave Gage enough credit. Sure, his stories weren't amazing, but he usually got the characters right.
>>80961357
Oh yes, of course. On one side, your work will sell. On other side, editorial will buttfuck you to eternity.
Amazing what writers will endure for moneyz.
>>80961388
It'd be like Fraction's hotel in Cyclops head, but kinkier.
>>80961417
And Vader is probably top 5 seller? Why would anyone write regular comic if you have liberty to do whatever the fuck you want with Vader.
>>80961445
According to wikia, he was in Uncanny X-Men 600 and No More Humans OGN.
>>80961469
He certainly is good at edgy books.
He found his niche.
>>80959446
And the kids. The kids wanted to fight for their home.
>>80961560
>Uncanny X-Men 600
Wasn't that where everyone got in a room to tell Beast to knock that shit off?
>>80947515
Schism made no sense. They could have just freed Magik and had her teleport everyone.
>>80961602
Yeah.
It worked perfectly.
>>80957846
Like, a page for every set of lines
>>80951999
People never gave Gage enough credit. He wasn't a great writer, but at least he tried to get the characters right, and actually did some research about them.
>>80961629
It might sound weird nowadays, but the only reason for schism was actuallymore x-books, and because of that cartoon,wolverine and the x-men
Nowadays, it sounds surrealistic that marvel wanted topublish even more x-books, I know
>>80961706
I can only imagine sales for Generation Hope.
>>80961703
Gage was Neil Gaimen compared to Hopeless, even if Academy was more miss than hit after Fear Itself when the cast grew too large.
>>80961703
I really give him credit for exactly that reason. His writing is hamfisted, but he really respects the characters and I also think he has some decent plot ideas most of the time.
>>80961735
pretty bad, which is why we don't get any young x-men books, and probably never will
>>80961747
Academy was at its worst harmless
Aaron's a hack, that's what.
>>80961787
Except book with fan-favorite O5 and Idie.
>>80961819
Ugh. All-Old X-Men
BECAUSE NO ONE DEMANDED IT, TRUE BELIEVER
>>80961793
I have the exact panel where Academy was at its worst, except maybe the time travel arc with whiny Future Repil.
>>80961891
>Emma making Striker straight is bad
>Jean making Bobby gay is good
I hate current year.
>>80951639
Man, what happened to Aaron? Wolverine: Manifest Destiny, Get Mystique, and Astonishing Spider-Man & Wolveirne are good to great books. The fuck happened?
>>80950202
I loved that team in your pic senpai
>>80962286
He became well-known, got contract, buddy with Bendis and Quesada and voila, he started shitting out comics.
>>80961891
Jesus Christ, just cut out everything after Striker's first sentence and that shit becomes 100% more readable.
>>80950202
>Kyle/Yost will never write these kids again
>Kyle/Yost will never write X-23 again
>Laura is now forever Wolverine lite instead of her own character
>>80962366
But the whole statement is such bullshit that it demands clarification.
Everyone should have stopped fighting to wonder what the fuck is wrong with Striker for a minute.
>>80962319
M-me too
>>80962390
>>Laura is now forever Wolverine lite instead of her own character
Like, BRB.
>>80962408
I get what he's getting at but it's put in such a hamfisted way. It could've gone like this
>Emma: You people are profoundly disturbed. You are risking your lives for an abomination.
>Striker: Abomination? Some people say that about me.
Not graceful writing, by any means, but at least it's not HEY GUYS GAY PEOPLE.
>>80960253
Some bizzare fourway cross sexual self cuckoldry meta matrix
>>80962500
>Striker: Abomination? Some people say that about me.
Americans still hate gay people or only we in worst Europe do that?
>>80962575
Americans hate everything
>>80962575
America is the Land of the Free, where we can hate anything.
>>80947515
I feel like there's a solution here: evacuate those who haven't graduated, fight with the rest.
>>80963181
No, solution is take cool muggas to Camp Right and be trained to be technicolor mutant militia or be lame and get shipped to Kanuckland to be killed by flamethrowers in toilet.
>>80962575
Head on over to /pol/ and answer your question.
>>80962390
Not just Wolverine lite, Wolverine lite with generic female personally
>>80962410
Where's the second image from?
>Wolverine feels legit guilt at what he is done and whats people to not end up like him
WAAAAH SHITTY CHARACTER
>Cyclops becomes Mutant ISIS
OH SO RIGHT
>>80963811
It's like they sucked her soul out.
>>80964124
>Cyclops becomes Mutant ISIS
Pic of him decapitating civilians?
>>80950743
16 is not a child. That's teen years. Childhood is everything up to teen.
>>80964375
That's not at all how it's defined in any dictionary, physically or legally. Physically you are a child until fully developed, legally until age of majority.
I've been out of comics for some time, why did they decide to shit on Cyclops? They think it was over time he got some karma shit for the whole Madelyn thing?
>>80962390
>>80963811
>>80964268
>>80962447
>>80965620
They just don't like him or something and wanted to shit on him.
Then they got annoyed by how every single move meant to make him less popular made him more popular instead because all main event writers are idiots.
Later Bendis tried to write the complete opposite of what everyone wanted to see at that point and wrote what amounted to one big anti climax. But when even that couldn't break Cyke's new found allure, they just decided to timeskip and write him out of comics.
>he's just not around anymore, ok? Stop asking. Why do you even want him around? He's literally Hitler! Did we not mention that? He's confirmed worse than Hitler. What did he do? Oh, I don't fucking know, stop asking already. Jeez, you sound like you were expecting to read some kind of consistent narrative. We didn't time skip to come up with what happened inbetween, we just wanted an excuse to be lazy with our continuity. See, if the writers don't even know what happened in the comics before theirs, the reader doesn't have to know either. So it's super accessible!
>>80947515
He fought with Kids after too but fuck who even cares.
Beast had to do backflips to justify Wolverine secret death squad over Cyclops proactive defense squad
>>80962286
He understandably decided to put all his efforts on his creator owned work (Southern Bastards, The Goddamned).
>>80966240
Truly, everyone wants that Kirkman fame and money.
>>80966077
So they got rid of the one they fucked up and are just gunna move him into a background X-men character with the young one, who seems to get shit on pretty bad too. Makes sense I suppose if the movies are none MCU, deep 6 the characters you can't make movies off because you sold the rights and push your new "OC"
I'll look forward to them making him gay in five or six years to try and make him interesting like the other old X-men they iced into the scenery.
>>80948784
>Scott is raising those kids the way he was raised- Constantly at risk, and fighting giant robots.
Logan's entire point was that they can, and should, be better than that. A better future was what they were meant to be fighting for, after all. He wanted the kids brought up in a protected environment where they could have a normal a childhood as possible while also learning to defense themselves if need be. The X-Men absolutely had the power to provide this.
Scott on the other hand at that point believed since mutants were on the brink of true extinction, what was left should be militarized, every mutant is on the front of of defense for what is left of mutantkind.
On that issue, I don't think Logan was wrong, but Schism to it's credit mostly pulled off that neither side was truly wrong.
>>80962410
Well you should learn to stay out of people's head, ya dumb bitch!
>>80969050
And its still stupid because if there was any sense of cohesion, that JGS woulda been bombed by the Purifiers the moment they tried to move in.
>>80947669
>Coupled with being sick as hell with being Cyclops attack dog.
Cyclops says, "Logan, I'm shutting down X-Force, I'm tired of ordering you to kill people."
Wolverine goes, "Fuck you, I'll start my OWN X-Force! With Deadpool! And Psylocke!"
Don't be dumb. All of this happened because Marvel likes $$ more than coherent plotting and consistent characterization
>>80964122
Porn.
>>80969685
JGS is a fortress. That would have gone about as well for those Purifier fags as attacking Utopia would have.
>>80953411
Fucking shit I forgot how much I hate Beast recently
>>80969050
Except the X-Men are constantly under attack no matter what they do so the safe haven bullshit and raising them in some mutant closed society is stupid. I liked Wolverine, but this is some Iron Man in Civil War type mischaracterization and retardation from him.
I've never been a fan of Cyclops, but ever since Utopia he's been fantastic, no matter how hard Marvel has tried to paint him a a villain, or people hate him.
>>80969720
That's ignroing a whole lot of bullshit and you know it.
>>80969050
>He wanted the kids brought up in a protected environment
>X-men
>Protected environment
Not in their world. The situation is that if you are a mutant then Sentinels will be knocking at your door at some point. You can either be prepared with Scott or watch 45 of your friends die with Logan.
Its almost like a constant never ending sliding time scale cycle of comics makes some stories fucking retarded and have awful writing that makes no sense.
>>80970236
I'm 100% on Scott's side, especially post-Schism and think the constant attempt to villainize him have been as pathetic as they have been awful since it's nobody has ever bought that shit. To the point that they had to just murder him off screen and have people shit talk him in death, and it STILL doesn't work.
But Logan wasn't wrong. He also wasn't advocating some idealistic utopia where mutant kids could just chill and be eternally safe and happy, merely that they would be behind the shield of the X-Men proper and not raised as front line paramilitary by default.
I think it's pretty in line with how Logan is at peace with the killer he is, but never wants anybody else to have to be him in the future. If I remember right, in this issue where Scott and Logan reconciled before Logan's death, his point was along the lines of "I don't hate YOU, I hate that you're not better than this. The X-Men need the old Scott Summers, not another me".
There was an issue long after their split that summed it up pretty well -
>>80971074
All the adult X-Men were gone during the Utopia thing though. Was he just gonna run away each time the adults weren't there to protect them from a sentinal? It was stupid.
>>80971850
>Leaving all those children with only 2 adults
That's retarded even if you're not concerned about genocide.
>>80971850
iirc, Scott wanted to wage a last mans stand to defend (the at the time pretty much empty) Utopia with every kid he could scrape up against the Super Sentinel, Logan just wanted to retreat because fighting to the death at that point was senseless, losing a base mattered less than potentially getting kids killed for it's sake.
Logan was kind of in the right again in that situation. Of course that issue was the one where things finally went full retard and Scott and Logan devolved into openly fighting over tiring JEAAAAAAAAN shit.
>>80972675
>>80973002
It was there home and essentially country. That's worth fighting for. That might sound all patriotic and shit, but it's not meant to be. They're a species on the brink of extension. They're being invaded. It's not like them fighting some boogeymen with nukes for profit.
>>80973002
They had already chickened out and ran from the (ruins of) the mansion at that point. Utopia was their semi sovereign last, best hope for a safe place to live. Running then would mean running forever.
>>80950300
It wasn't the fact that she was killing. it was the fact that she gave no fucks because she looked at the X-men and thought this was NORMAL. That's the thing with Idie. She has no filter so when she says something or notices something you stop and realize something extremely uncomfortable. Wolverine has dragged people around while killing but he has never thought of it as normal or something other people should be doing.
>>80973554
Yeah, wasn't one of her issues that without a filter she took tons of things literally, so after her mutant powers manifesting killing her parents she legitimately thought she was some kind of soulless monster
>>80973308
>That's worth fighting for.
Not when it means the lives of the last generation of mutants
>>80969594
She hasn't been fully-trained; Prof X had put limits on her teep powers until she had matured enough to handle training (which Teen Jean hadn't at the time that Old Hank brought the O5 to the present).
>>80974741
>Prof X had put limits on her teep powers ...
Aaaand those limits were a total wipe of all telepathic ability, including making her forget that she had used telepathy before.
There's no way that was for her own good.
In fact it could be argued, as in that third movie, that he wiped her mind because she was more powerful than him and he would otherwise have had to deal with someone he couldn't manipulate if he actually respected her right to be a mutant.
And then there's the whole Iceman thing, if Jean could change people's minds with such ease she was the defacto leader of the X-Men ever since her telepathy came in, not Xavier. BUT if Bobby really was gay from the start that means that Professor X must have known and then allowed Bobby to repress his own sexuality for his entire life, and the "accepting" school environment Xavier created had no room for an openly gay student.
Thus my thesis: Professor X was a basterd.
Lord knows what was secretly done to Scott that motivated Phoenixclops to kill Professor X, BEFORE he went Dark Phoenix crazy.
>>80975783
Even before all that, Xavier put together a team of child soldiers to fight his proxy war with Magneto.
>>80976065
And that's fucked up too.
Magneto and Xavier used to be friends.
Hell, Magneto's psy-blocking helmet was made just for keeping his best friend from mind-controlling him, because he had seen Xavier do it before when they were allies!
There was never any true animus between them, there was no threat of Magneto undermining an Xavier school for mutants.
But Chuck just had to get his damn way and destroy Magneto's efforts to protect mutants as he saw best, because Chuck was always pushing the damn conformist superhero strategy!
>>80966147
Pretty sure they had to "graduate" before fighting.
>>80965630
Corporate comics were a mistake.
>>80956864
Gillen wanted to use Storm in his book and Aaron went with it.
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.
>>80952907
For some reason even when it's just one mythological beast the name is still "Cyclops".
>>80957779
Yes, he had morals, ethics, and bla-bla-bla, but holding onto those instead of doing the one thing that he had devoted his entire life to: ensuring that mutants and humans can coexist somehow, wasn't an option for him when it came down to species survival. In the end it doesn't matter how much EVERYONE hates you if the dream of coexistence has died along with the last mutant. He had to sacrifice being a hero because of that all-consuming objective of his.
>>80964375
Yes, 16 is past tween and so not actually "childhood", but I was refering to all the horrors in his life before he found safehaven in Xavier's clutches.
>>80976972
Based Gillen.
Still, who thought to give Aaron keys to the X-kingdom?
>>80971074
>I think it's pretty in line with how Logan is at peace with the killer he is, but never wants anybody else to have to be him in the future.
He proves this often enough. He stabs young girls who don't have magic healing stuff in the stomach if they don't buy into it.
Why do people like this character again?
