It's a nigger! It's a chink! It's ababy
The dad'sa sperm donor.There, you don't have to read it. Save yourself.
>>80800562
>>>/tumblr/
>>80800562
Really? Why'd she knock herself up then?
You know what? This shit is too cringey for me. OP is killl.
I hope marvel dies. First Carol, now Jessica. I wonder what they'll do with Natasha, make her give speeches on communism in the marvel U?
>>80800588
Shitty gimmicky attention grabbing hopeless writing.
>>80800585
What the fuck is this? Last I heard of this character had her running around doing superhero shit while pregnant. And now this is coming off more like some prime time sitcom on ABC more than anything.
>>80800601
Wow, didn't even get to the end of the lettered preview. Truly Hopeless.
Over/Under on the baby getting retconned away in a year and a half?
>>80800588
So Marvel could write a book and capture the "Single Mothers" and "Meandering Stories That Don't Go Anywhere" markets.
It makes all the sense in the world Anon, get with the times.
>>80800635
it's gonna get whisked away by time travel and come back an angsty teenager, or killed and reincarnated as an angsty teenager, or go through an alien growth spurt and become an angsty teenager, or reveal itself as a doombot and upgrade itself into an angsty teenager, or get killed by a Hyperiorn before it can grow up into an angsty teenager Hyperion
>>80800585
Nah, it's not tumblr. It's just a bad marketing strategy: Marvel wants to be inclusive and get new readers, except they forgot that people won't pay for shit. Oops.
Also >>80800543
>Hopeless Writer
/thread. The rest of the comic is not worth reading.
Remember everyone.. If you want to appeal to a female audience you have show them dealing with standard woman things like raising children, having a period, drama(doesn't matter what kind. Any kind).
>>80800687
>You want to know what happens next?
No, not really?
A trip to the orphanage?
>>80800601
>OP is kill.
So wait, no more storytime? Come dude, that's not nice, even if the comic is shitty, once you start you have to finish it.
I'll do it.
>>80800694
but Marvel is already absurdly drama ridden, it's like WWE with superpowers
>>80800704
Is that Patsy?
>>80800704
Anyway, Hopeless is a fucking retard, and Rodriguez art is wasted on him.
>>80800673
or she will give it up for adoption like Catwoman did for baby.
>>80800694
And it's absolutely exploitative if they're ever presented as beautiful and sexual. Remember: they should be ashamed of their bodies and wear poor fitting street clothes as costumes.
>>80800585
>Goes to movies by herself
/tv/ would be proud
>>80800723
If anyone really wants to read
1/2
>>80800741
>Hawkeye is now their gay best friend
>>80800736
>Shipping intensifies
>>80800723
You're right about the art.
This comic could possibly work if it was any character but Jess. Much less a Jess who fights crime and does backflips right after having a C-section.
>>80800735
It's not the baby that's stopping her, it's the No Singles policy.
>>80800749
>>80800741
This storytime is a mess.
>>80800704
that domo-kun though
>>80800749
when is Veranke gonna drop the act?
I thought Jess hated kids. Why would she search for a sperm donor? Is this for another couple wanting kids?
>>80800757
Nah, It's because Falcon is now Captain America.
>>80800708
It's just hilarious how forced everything is. Hey everyone, look at Jessica Drew struggle to raise a kid she went out of her way to have in the most deliberate way possible. Isn't it endearing? Don't you appreciate her struggle?
>>80800723
Let's all laugh at the dense male who's too stupid to be prepared and now Jessica's gotta take care of two children now...
>>80800767
>>80800754
Rodriguez drawing Captain Marvel Doing Badass Things Elsewhere is the best thing about this run. At least that's back after a couple issues absence.
>>80800763
Thanks.
So, just to make it clear. She's doing nothing, yolo living alone and not giving fuck. All of sudden she wants responsibility and decides to get baby? I'm not missing anything?
>>80800780
>>80800780
Jessica your face is melting off
Please tell me this is selling like shit.
>>80800786
Nope.
HOPELESS WRITER
>>80800790
Why would someone with the kind of job she has where she can literally die in any fight or disaster have a kid this way? It's moronic and the opposite of being responsible.
>>80800763
You know what absolutely kills me?
This is exactly the kind of story Jessica Jones needed after she had her baby. Now she's just a doting housewife and mother and we never saw how she put her wretched past behind her.
I legitimately hate you editorial. Fucking do your jobs for once.
>>80800803
>>80800801
sold 80k
>>80800803
holy shit, the Superior Foes are still together
>>80800585
Weird. I wonder if they'll continue this 4th wall breaking throughout the series now.
>>80800801
104 Spider-Woman 4 $3.99 Marvel 20,747
>>80800802
Truly Hopeless hack.
>>80800802
That's really shallow and self-centered. If you want a bit of responsibility in your life and shit to do, get a dog.
>>80800818
>>80800811
Because her mama bear instinct kicks in and she curbstomps everyone that threatens her baby.
Just like Wanda few years ago.
>>80800838
>>80800811
Her biological clock was ticking and her motherly instincts kicked in. A woman's life isn't complete if she doesn't give birth.
>>80800850
>>80800719
I think so. She was Shulk's PI in the last series
>>80800864
>>80800828
Never mind. She was talking to people.
>>80800872
This is some major bullshit.
>>80800864
This is a lazy page.
>>80800881
this is just begging for an edit
>>80800881
So, we spent the entire first issue with Jessica struggling to understand if she really wants to be a mother and if she’s really ready to take the responsibility, if she really wants to leave behind her life as a crimefighter to take care of a child... And she was the one that impregnated herself in the first place…
Yes, THOSE ARE QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO ANSWER YOURSELF BEFORE DOING THAT.
FUCKING HOPELESS.
>>80800896
>>80800905
And that's it.
>>80800896
>she choose sperm from a white male
why did Marvel allow this?
>>80800923
only white males are legally allowed to donate sperm in america, unless its for private use
>>80800916
Will the event save Spider-woman from crashing below 20k sales?
>>80800881
Boo, what a gigantic fucking cop out.
>>80800855
It's not that she had the baby, it's that it came out of nowhere and was dropped on our doorstep. She can want a child: that's completely normal for any human being. But we the audience are supposed to know that and see that story progress to a logical conclusion.
You know what...
How do I write for Marvel? Their criteria can't be terribly high. What, ten pages of dialogue and one generic action scene. I'm bored. Maybe I can write a new story about Bruce Banner becoming a senator. Why? Because fuck you, why not?
Senator Hulk. Briefcase, tiny glasses, and a suit vest that he clearly tore the sleeves off of. Eat it Jen, law can't be that hard.
So what's the assumed theory of how they're going to handle the baby in the future?
Forget about it and bring it up maybe in passing a couple times?
Have it rapidly age up and turn evil?
Get killed for shock value?
Get sent to be raised by spiders in the country side away from the pollution of the city?
>>80800636
I will never understand why someone would voluntarily inflict single motherhood upon themselves and a child. That's just not sane.
>>80800947
She's going to always have a babysitter and they'll be sure to mention that fact when she's off planet/on a mission. And no, Jess won't show the slightest emotion when NYC is threatened because they won't remember her kid after they mention him.
>>80800941
You gotta know people. Comics Alliance people.
Btw, I'd read fuck out of Senator Hulk. Especially if his way of saying "no" during voting is throwing nearest politician.
>>80800777
>kid she went out of her way to have in the most deliberate way possible.
Wait what? I thought the kid was an accident or something.
Before this, she quit the Avengers to street level shit. Then that event happened, and now she's preggers.
>>80800953
Biological imperative.
Ain't a terrible thing, especially when you're rich (and all the Avengers are). Too bad she's an irresponsible adrenaline junkie.
>>80800962
And eventually, he'll just stop being brought up at all, like Jane Foster's son.
>>80800947
her kill will go live at a Skrull throne world because he is royalty
>>80800968
>Btw, I'd read fuck out of Senator Hulk. Especially if his way of saying "no" during voting is throwing nearest politician.
I like you. Co-writing credit?
I really hope we later learn Dr Doom had enacted a secret evil plan to sire dozens of heirs across the world by donating to various sperm banks.
>>80800979
but Hulking is already destined to claim both the Skrull and Kree thrones
>>80800968
>Senator Hulk
Go on...
>>80800532
Ftfy
>>80800947
I think she will give it up for adoption or they will magic it away.
>>80800941
there was actually a chapter of Universe X where Reed Richards was President Hulk
>>80800982
Nah, take it all. I'll be happy with special thanks at title drop.
>>80801004
Wasn't Reed Doom?
>>80800941
>How do I write for Marvel?
get a job as an intern, lie about your credentials, get work doing inking/lettering, brown nose the big name writers then talk them into vouching for your book
or make a well known comedy-action webcomic, cozy up to Marvel's big name writers at conventions and get them to put in a good word for you
>>80800881
That's some lazy bullshit right there.
>>80800896
>it was a sperm donor all along
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT MARVEL YOU FUCKING COCKTEASES
>>80800930
Wait is that really a thing?
Pic somewhat related.
>>80801004
>Reed Richards was President Hulk
This hurt my brain.
>>80801019
Universe-X went to lots of different earths
it took them a few fuckup worlds to realize 'all we have to do is warn Reed about the cosmic egg at the centre of the planet' was a poorly thought out plan
>>80800997
Kinda odd how marvel was sublty pushing the jessica and carol dyke angle then all of a sudden she has a story where she knocks herself up with the random spunk of some guy from who knows where and has kid with blonde hair and the same kind of haircut as cap marvel.
>>80800532
>>80800896
Interesting...ain't it.
Should've had Carol impregnate her during one of herMar-Vell blackouts. Missed opportunity to really capture all the fetish crowds at once.
>>80801048
if you haven't read the Earth-X trilogy and the Exiles books, you're really missing out
>>80801046
>that pic
What, everyone hoped they'll get sperm of athletic genius?
>>80801053
Ah, I see. I read only Earth X recently, so I figured it was same. Is Universe X good?
>>80801056
So you're saying she used Carol's sperm?
>>80801078
pretty good. A lottle confusing for me because I mistakenly read Paradise-X before Universe-X
>>80801078
>the donor sheet claimed that the sperm came from a Dutch man with two children and a university degree who grew up in South Limburg
>>80801070
>Mar-Vell is my other self and I gave powers to myself!
>>80800916
So Nick Lowe knocks up his wife and just can't help himself in sharing his perspective on what his wife apparently went through having said children through the lore of Spider-Woman.
Why would anyone buy this?
>>80801046
>rotten and corrupted seed
How unnecessary
>>80801097
Know what I'll read next.
>>80801098
Yeah, I've read it. It's just like on movies, when woman looks at list of donor skills and min-maxes stats of kid.
>>80801078
They lied about who the sperm came from. Most times the person can find out some information about the sperm donor.
>>80801046
Why did they have 500 women worth of autistic sperm?
>>80800997
kek
>>80801128
because he donated more than its legal for a single person to donate
>>80801070
...
Dude, carol can't sell BBC to rich white ladies who're on vaction at an exclusive secluded resort and spiderwoman sells less then her.
If they did that..I can guarantee that the cap marvel movie would be shelved indefinitely and the only people who'll appear in media outside of comics with spider in their name from here on out will be peter miles and occasionally ariana who will, much to her chagrin, be called spider girl instead arachne.
>>80800896
How is she not being attacked daily seeing how she doesn't hide her identity? She's only putting on glasses. It's as stupid as the Clark/Superman thing of putting on glasses to hide himself.
>>80800994
He's immune to disease and corruption!
>>80800803
Foes spotted.
>>80801078
>What, everyone hoped they'll get sperm of athletic genius?
Well, yes. That is the entire point of sperm donation - to get high quality offspring without having to court high quality males. All reproduction is a giant eugenics experiment.
>>80801158
And he'll stomp out crime?
>>80801176
HULK SMASH DEFICIT
>>80801156
I really want to see him standing behind a podium making a speech with little reading glasses on.
>>80801169
Yeah, but the women who end up getting that sperm are oft low tier losers so whatever positive traits the father has are oft marred by the mothers weaker genetic potential, age and lifestyle.
>>80801140
Doesn't being autistic or having any inheritable defect disqualify you from donating at all?
>>80801155
no one cares about Spider-Woman except her creepy Hydra-mom
the most important thing she did in-universe was get replaced by the Skrull Queen, and the whole reason the Queen chose her was because after analyzing all the avengers and other capes, they concluded Spider-Woman was the one no one would pay any attention do
>>80801187
>As you can see, lowering taxes would indirectly raise costs on the American people. Hulk promised to ease burden on constituents.
>>80801233
Now I'm imaging an engaged Hulk pummeling Ted Cruz because he couldn't get into a monument or park during the government shutdown.
>>80801233
>and to those of you, especially among the top income earners, who evade paying taxes through fraud and undeclared assets
>HULK SMASH
>>80801213
That sounds hilarious. Anyone got that page?
>>80801265
Anyone interrupting Hulk while he's talking gets smashed.
>Pre-Secret Wars Jessica doesn't want anything to do with babies
>Suddenly she just wants one
>Cops out of a possible new relationship by making it a sperm donor
>The baby isn't even given a name to make it more personal
Hopeless doesn't deserve this artist.
>>80801287
>Hopeless doesn't deserve this artist.
Rodriguez should leave this book permanently a few issues after Spider-Women..
>>80801280
I don't have the specific page saved but its from Bendis's Spider-Woman, which was surprisingly solid for a Bendis.
>>80801210
What part of the head of the sperm bank is being investigated didn't you understand. Obvious shit was going on.
>>80801280
>>80801287
>The baby isn't even given a name to make it more personal
Fucking hell, you're right, we still don't have the baby's name. Shows you how much they give a shit about him... he's just a prop, just "The Baby".
>>80801192
Well would you want two low tier losers creating a shit baby, or a low tier loser and an adonis making a mid-tier baby? Regardless of how shit the mom is, the donor would still improve the quality of the child.
hey OP, can you do web warriors next?
all I'm getting from this is that she's way more irresponsible then I thought
If she just got knocked up and panicked then it's understandable
No, she went baby crazy and had a child while still flip flopping over the issue.
Then there's the superhero thing which is also crazy
why are you guys praising this art?
>>80801589
what art?
>>80801589
Smooth clever panneling. Anatomy a bit iffy here and there, bit it's still more than hopeless deserves
>>80801287
>Spider-baby has no name
>Spider-baby has no father
>Spider-baby barely has a mother
>He'll probably get gunned down in 2 years real time
what a life
>>80801563
Yes this isn't a good premise or well thought out.
Instead of giving Jess a relationship or even a father who is still in the picture ;we get this. And five issues in and the baby doesn't even have a fucking name.
This is why Marvel shouldn't get their characters pregnant or have children.
>>80800881
>spend so much time on how having a kid is a problem
>she did it to herself
I don't even
Answer's too simple.
We'll find out she got special sperm due to plot.
>>80800803
Is Hawkeye fighting shirtless?
>>80801367
Two shit tier people would actually be there for the kid and have a chance at not fucking it up and making it better.
A total loser who couldn't even get a pity/hatefuck from some thirsty as fuck and half drunk dude so she could have a kid is going to be levels of fucking loser that has no pourpse what so ever of having a kid.
And it would probably be better if it was an adonis and aphrodite having a kid and raising it together. You know...the way that's worked since humanity began.
>>80801876
That would actually make it far far worse.
>getting genuinly mad that a comic illustrates the hardships of motherhood
You people deserve Hillary, Tumblr, Social Justuce Warriors, and everything else that you get thrown at you.
>>80801942
>way that's worked since humanity began.
humans are meant to live in expended families so that there's at least five people able to take shifts looking after the kids
children with only one or two caregivers grow up to be maladjusted freaks which is why the west has gone to shit
>>80801957
What else can you do besides Jess just dumping her baby on a babysitter? Marvel always have a stupid gimmick when it comes to their random kids.
>>80801991
Actually a family and friends all raised their children together. The whole modern western fantasy of moving out to the suburbs and 2.5 kids thing was a way to weaken the power of families and communities and create the beginnings of the slave class.
The feminist and free love movement then the me decade and lionization of temp marriages and divorces pretty much created the society of powerless slaves who distrust and fight against each other unless they use their agreed upon meeting places and social cues.
>>80801960
There are very few Big 2 comics that actually deal with parenthood well. It's hard for writers to justify people going out and punching villains when they have children at home to take care of.
>>80800803
anyone else notice how patsy thinks/talks about nothing but drinking? lol
also, come on, marvel, just get carol and jess together already.
>>80802092
I found DC does it better than Marvel.
>>80801960
Yeah this is almost purely based on Dennis and his wife's personal experience after they just got a child
>>80802145
Wally's kids no longer exist
Batman has put his children in costumes and put them in front fo the joker and other lunatics
Red arrows daughter dies retardedly
Then there's the creepy shady shit that goes on in "paradise island".
Yeah...no.
>>80801056
> sublty pushing the jessica and carol dyke angle
they still are.
hopefully, after Carol loses civil war 2, she'll be upset and need "comforting".....
So who is the father?
Please say Hawkeye.
>>80801098
>university degree
Why does it fucking matter? Do these retarded future moms think their future kids will have a university degree just like their fathers? Do they think you actually need to be a genius to have a degree and people with no degree are genetically inferior? And that everything is just genetic? It didn't come to their mind that the fact that this child will grow up with only one parent will actually be a real handicap?
>>80802278
The myth that a university degree is a sure path to success is still prevalent
>>80802217
I was talking about when having a child is the focus. Stephanie and Selina did the right thing regarding their own children. And Wally was a good father before the universe was rewrited. He's 12 now so he's probably hasn't even busted a nut so what's your point with that.
>>80802263
There is no father.
She got the spunk cubes from some sperm bank and had a romantic evening for one in her bathroom with a turkey baster.
y'know what? I like this.
art's decent, dialogue's decent, topic is comfy. maybe it's just that I'm older than all of you little bastards.....
I actually know women who've had a kid like this. "like this" meaning "while single from a sperm bank without realizing all the implications". I don't find it unrealistic at all. The unrealistic thing is how nice her friends are. Most people would be far less nice to someone who chose single motherhood and then found herself overwhelmed. IRL there was a lot of dialogue along the lines of "I told you so".
>>80802313
>>80802315
BOOOOOOOO!
Unless Hawkeye i went to that spermbank.
>>80800741
Oh.
It's you.
>>80800749
>or get sick like I did at his age
Props to Hopeless, he did his reading.
>>80801046
pfffff
>>80801347
>dat Carol save
dawwwwHow much time did Jess & Carol spend on panel together between New Avengers #1 and Secret Invasion?
>>80800704
> dem pants
its ike she wants to get preggers all over again
>>80802524
Those pants don't fill up the turkey-baster by themselves. She has to make an appointment and everything
>>80801056
Jessica is a natural blonde too, not just Carol
>>80801046
Superfake. None of the Dutch articles I can find have any sources. People with mental disabilities don't qualify to be anonymous sperm donors.
>>80802325
Yeah, I won't say it's excellent but I was expecting far worse.
Maybe it's because I know next to nothing about spider-women? But all in all it was a nice read.
>>80801233
Bernie, don't you have a campaign to run?
>>80802705
http://www.humo.be/actua/297175/misstanden-bij-spermabanken
This is supposed to be the source, but I can't be bothered to watch the entire video
>>80802893
Aren't those elections over? I thought they were yesterday
>>80800881
Why is she putting on makeup to go superheroing?
>>80801589
All the sexy spider feet and legs
In other news, the 18th and final chapter of Spotted Flower has been translated
>>80800881
>>80800896
>>80800905
>refused to tell even her best friend who the father of her baby is even after it's born
>even though the big secret is just that she used a sperm donor
>she then leaves the job of raising him mostly in the hands of others so she can keep doing what she wants
Everyone knows somebody like this.
Everyone fucking HATES that person.
You know what the problem with this series is? It's not that it's shitty as hell. It's that it's SO SHITTY that it will set a precedent for Marvel to never make stories about pregnancy again. And dammit, pregnancy's my biggest fetish.
Spiderwoman sales were hovering around 20,000 when she gave birth. This is going to plunge them into the sub-20,000 range and Marvel can't cancel a series with their best writer and artist about motherhood.
>>80803469
there's billions of things pandering to you. you don't need to get your kicks from cape comics on top of everything else
>>80802278
There is no other way to measure the intelligence of a stranger. You have better odds of a degree holder being somewhat intelligent than a random chump without one.
>>80800896
This baby looks far more like Carol's than Jessica's
>>80801046
absolute madman
This all feels like they're making it up as they go along
The writer had a baby so they wanted to write about babies because new parents do that. Here, hold my baby. Look at my baby. THE BABY.
But they where also writing Spider-woman because Spiders are in. So they combined them without thinking too much about it
That's why they got the cop out sperm donor. This is why the baby doesn't have a name. They didn't plan anything out besides the general plot and the parts where she says how crazy parenthood is and how it changes you.
>>80800881
>>80800896
This book is trash lol
>>80803816
That's because Carol is the mother, it's gonna be revealed two issues later. She signed up for a program to make sperm cells from female DNA.
Jesus.
That fucking kid still looks like Carol.
>>80800514
>black and asian anons collectively breathed a sign of relief
>>80800790
Carol borrow that jacket of Kamilla?
>>80804048
Fuck I meant Carol is the father. Basically I wouldn't put it past them to do the science lesbian babies bit.
>>80800749
You can read about it more in her ongoing, true believers!
>>80800585
see, this is a good use of this type of paneling
>>80800790
Why doesn't her dress have an electrical or spider pattern?
>>80800704
>even if the comic is shitty
the comic is nice though
>>80800803
HOL UP, the Sinister Six?
Although I don't see Overdrive.
We get it Hopeless, your wife had a baby and it was a wondrous experience. Did you have to go and turn Jessica into your mouth piece about it? Who is this book's target audience anyway, new or soon-to-be parents?
>>80800881
Wait. Wait.
This makes no sense. Does anyone remember Jessica's backstory? Hydra wanted to fuck her. Her own father wanted to impregnate her, so they could spawn legions of superpowered soldiers.
She ended up killing all her daughters/sisters, and the last page of her origin had her floating in the water beneath a collapsing Hydra base, begging to die.
>>80800770
Never ever.
>>80800802
>>80800786
haha, i know right
whe ever goes and want a child? who has ever heard of something like wnating to have a child? That just doesn't happen
>>80802278
It does, actually. There's no way to gauge otherwise.
Look, if a guy's won an Olympic award, he's probably really physically qualified. How else would you pick?
>>80800811
yeah,
how dare cops and firefighters have kids.
I wish reality would stop pandering to tumblr
>>80801644
Did Spider-Baby even inherit any superpowers?
>>80800896
>>80800881
now you're just nitpicking and looking for excuses to complain.
no matter how much you prepare before, that's just theory, once you actually have a baby it will be different and you'll have to put in the practice and reevaluate everything in light of the new facts you've learned.
this isn't a bad comic, you people are just complaining because you decided beforehand that it would be shit and you would complain
>>80800896
>Not Carol's baby...
Into the trash it goes!
>>80801876
She should have taken in the sperm of another spider-person to make superior race.
>>80804826
Storytime? Sounds hot AF.
>>80805054
none that we know of because the baby hasn't done shit
I expect that he'll throw a venom blast at some point when the writers remember they need something that isn't just her talking about parenthood
or he'll have a different power because his sperm daddy is someone important
Who is the baby's daddy?
>>80804663
Well, we've made mice with rwo genetic mothers in real life. With all the crazy science the Marvel universe has, it's probably not beyond them to do the same with humans.
>>80802325
>maybe it's just that I'm older than all of you little bastards.....
when the first preview art of pregnant Jess surfaced a lot of guys here decided that it was going to be tumblr pandering and they would hate it.
a lot already hated hopeless and decided they would hate this because it was made by him
and so you have all those unreasonable "it's shit lol" posts.
>>80805253
A sperm donor.
>>80805253
some guy who donated to a sperm bank
I've decided to place my bet on Norman Osborne in a mid-life crisis when he Realised harry would never be the son he wanted him to be
>>80805345
>>80805349
God damnit Marvel!
>>80805253
it turns out, during some of the times he had been temrporarily reverted to human form Ben Grimm went to donate his sperm so that he could at least have children
>>80805320
>we've made mice with rwo genetic mothers in real life.
I wouldn't call jess and carol generic.
but anyway unfortunately there's no chance of that happening
>>80805253
Carol's baby rapist
>>80805349
>I've decided to place my bet on Norman Osborne in a mid-life crisis when he Realised harry would never be the son he wanted him to be
YESSSSSSS.
>11/14 Spider-Woman #1 - 93,723 (Spider-Verse)
>12/14 Spider-Woman #2 - 44,618 ( -52.4%)(Spider-Verse)
>01/15 Spider-Woman #3 - 38,484 (-13.8%) (spider-Verse)
>02/15 Spider-Woman #4 - 36,058 (- 6.3%)
>03/15 Spider-Woman #5 - 40,068 (+11.1%)
>04/15 Spider-Woman #6 - 32,041 (-20.0%)
>05/15 Spider-Woman #7 - 29,567 (- 7.3%)
>06/15 Spider-Woman #8 - 26,568 (-10.1%)
>07/15 Spider-Woman #9 - 24,354 (- 8.3%)
>08/15 Spider-Woman #10- 23,005 (- 5.5%)
>9/15 ---
>10/15 ---
>11/15 Spider-Woman #1 - 53,885
>12/15 Spider-Woman #2 - 27,801
>1/8 Spider-Woman #3 - 24,054
>Spider-Woman #4 (Marvel) - 20,747
It has a crossover coming up so that'll bring sales up a bit
Spider-Women Alpha unlettered preview: >>80805675
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Spider-Women #5
>Albert Zalben: Not to play favorites, but "Spider-Woman" -- it's not just a gorgeous book, Issue #4 made me cry.
>Nick Lowe: Right? Devin and I were weeping, shaking and weeping reading it. And wait until you read issue #5, as well. Issues #4 and #5 are some of the best issues ever -- and [the book] is still kind of a sleeper. Issue #5 has to do with being a single parent. To me, this book is "Hawkeye" level and I don't think nearly as many people are talking about it as should be.
>Lowe: These are two creators here who are working at the absolute top of their game. There's something in the way they work together that is just so perfect. And Jess -- she's someone I've known for a long time as a character, and read up on -- but the way that they've been telling her story has blown me away. I love Jessica Drew.
>Zalben: Normally when you bring a baby or pregnancy in a comic, you have one of two options: the baby is stolen, or the baby comes out and says, "Hello, I am a fully grown adult with superpowers now." This story seems to be playing out the long term ramifications, instead.
>Lowe: Oh yeah. It's not something we went into lightly. Dennis [Hopeless] and his wife have one-year-old twin, and Javier has an almost one-year-old baby. And I've got a two-and-a-half year old, and an 11-month old. We very much have baby on the brain. It's pretty nuts.
>>80805812
>The whole goal here, we don't want "baby as hostage." We were going through this stuff in our lives, and we thought there was something to be said there. I've got to be honest, if "Spider-Woman" was our only female solo character book, we wouldn't have done the story. I know what shaky ground it is with guys telling the story. Rachelle [Rosenberg] is on the book, and she does a fantastic job on colors, but trust me: I know we are working on thin ice with an all-male team here.
>Because we do have a pretty big bench of solo, female spider-characters that we could tell this kind of story [with]. On the plus side, Dennis and Javier are such great storytellers, you don't have to be a parent to read this. It's pretty darn amusing. She's still a superhero, and we're going to deal with that: how do you keep being a superhero, and a parent? How do you balance that?
>The biggest challenge for any parent, is balancing your life. Where are your priorities? How does it define your life? These are all the issues we're going to be digging into with Jessica, and "Spider-Woman."
>Zalben: A lot of fans have focused on the mystery of who the father is -- how important is that to the overall narrative?
>Lowe: I'll let the story speak for itself! People should definitely pick up "Spider-Woman" #5. We deal with some of that question there. It was something we debated long, and hard. I don't think we ever got to shouting -- but not too far from there. It's been really interesting.
>>80805061
this
>>When you possess super powers and live in a world of fantastic phenomenon like the Marvel Universe is a "normal life" even possible? Jessica Drew, the star of Marvel's ongoing "Spider-Woman" series by writer Dennis Hopeless and artist Javier Rodriguez, certainly hoped so. It's why she quit the Avengers and recently began working as a street level super hero with journalist turned detective Ben Urich and the former super villain known as the Porcupine (AKA Roger Gocking) to assist normal people who find themselves caught up in strange and dangerous situations. It's also why she agreed to take maternity leave from her new job when she became pregnant.
>>In the aftermath of the series' inaugural arc, which found Jessica giving birth to her son on an alien hospital under assault from Skrull invaders, Spider-Woman is beginning to reconsider her thoughts on what a "normal" life is and what it might mean to her. CBR News spoke with Hopeless about her perspective and what it means for the book's upcoming adventures, the mystery of her child's father and the book's involvement in the upcoming "Spider-Women" and "Civil War II" storylines.
>>CBR News: You ended the initial arc of this new volume of "Spider-Woman" with Jess sort of coming to terms with the fact that a normal or perhaps somewhat grounded life may not be in the cards for her and her newborn son. Can you elaborate more on what that outlook means for her adventures moving forward? Will she still be interested in working with Ben Urich and the Porcupine to help average people caught up in strange problems?
>Dennis Hopeless: I think Jessica is just acknowledging that her normal will always be a little crazier than she'd like. Maybe that's okay. Maybe it's time to embrace the crazy. It's a moment of reflection and levity, not some big life-changing realization. Jessica definitely plans to go back to street level super heroing with Roger and Ben. She has a bit more maternity leave to get through first.
>>80805887
>>The birth of Jess' son sort of begs some questions: what will the child's name be? Does the father know his son has been born? And will he be an active part of Jess' and his son's life? Are these questions you'll be answering sooner rather than later or will some of these questions be part of the book's larger mysteries for a while?
>Most of that will be revealed in issue #5, which serves as a sort of epilogue to the pregnancy arc. We'll see Jess go through the wild trial by fire that is new parenthood. We originally intended to use the fifth issue as a breather. A fun little break after the intense hospital issue. Then I wrote it and -- it became a different thing altogether.
>So, anyway, all will be revealed within. Except the baby's name -- which I believe we hold off revealing until "Spider-Women."
>>One of the things that makes "Spider-Woman" so enjoyable for me is that on top of a very human and likable protagonist you've got a great bunch of supporting characters in the form of Ben Urich, Roger, and Jess' best friend Captain Marvel. What kinds of roles will these characters play in the series moving forward? And is there any chance we might see more of Prince Dirk, the Skrull teen who helped Jess with the birth of her son in issue #4?
>Our second arc is the big "Spider-Women" story with Gwen and Silk. That takes place primarily in Spider-Gwen's Earth 65 so the supporting cast takes a back seat for a couple issues.
>After that the supporting cast will definitely be back. Carol is Jess' rock. Ben is Jess' cool-headed and extraordinarily patient PI partner. Roger is her -- I dunno, Porcupine. These are Jess' people and she keeps them close. Don't expect that to change unless something awful...
>As for Dirk, I love writing him almost as much as I love seeing Javier draw him. We'll do everything we can to get him back into the story.
>>80805910
>>Part of the reason I loved Dirk was the fantastic design Javier Rodriguez gave him. Javier also showed off some amazing action scenes in this first arc as well, especially with issue #3. So it seems like you've got an artist who's enjoying this book as much as you are and can handle almost anything you throw at him.
>I love that I can give Javier a page full of dialogue and talking heads or a two-paragraph dream sequence or a five-word action beat -- and he can make them all sing. Whether I've written way more words than should fit on a page or a silent ass-kicking splash page, Javier and our amazing inker Alvaro Lopez always deliver. They routinely outdo whatever it was I saw in my head. These are natural storytellers so the narrative is super clear, but they're also insanely creative. I just make suggestions and try to keep out of their way. It's a fantastic collaboration.
>>As you mentioned, in issue #5 you and Javier present Jess' post pregnancy status quo and then you guys jump into your collaboration with the creators of "Silk" and "Spider-Gwen," the dimension hopping crossover "Spider-Women." How's it been telling that story with the creative teams of those books? And what's it like getting a chance to explore more of the relationships Jess has with Gwen and Silk?
>It has been a total blast. Jason Latour, Robbie Thompson and I were all in New York for NYCC this past year and got to hash out the story in person with our editors. We spent a day in the Marvel office with our editors and threw stuff at the wall. So much fun. I'm super proud of how the story turned out. It's a cool super hero plot but we also managed to dial in on the character arcs and relationships. Each chapter moves the plot forward while focusing on the respective title characters and how the story is affecting them personally. I think shifting POVs keep things fresh and interesting.
>>80805910
>I got to write Silk, Gwen and Jess together during "Spider-Verse" and developed the earliest version of this dynamic. It's exciting to revisit that relationship now that all three characters have evolved. Jess couldn't be in a much more different place than she was during the "Spider-Verse" war. Gwen and Cindy have changed a lot, too. I think this story reflects all of the character growth in really interesting ways.
>>Finally, what can you tell us about your plans for "Spider-Woman" further down the road? We know Jess' best friend Captain Marvel will be on the front lines of "Civil War II." What does that mean for Jess and your book though? Will Spider-Woman have to choose a side in "Civil War II?"
>I think Jess would have a hard time not picking a side. She has a lot on her plate right now and would want nothing at all to do with a huge Civil War. As anyone who reads our book knows -- when Spider-Woman tries to avoid some conflict, she almost always ends up smack in the middle of it. I can't say much else just yet, but we definitely have some ideas percolating.
>"Spider-Woman" is my favorite thing I've ever written. Javier and Alvaro are absolutely incredible. Our editors are amazing. The stories we get to tell in this series are important to me. Our reviews have been fantastic and the positive feedback from fans has been overwhelming. I love this book and want to write it forever. For that to happen, it has to keep selling.
>So I'd just ask that our awesome fans continue to be vocal in their support. Tweet. Tumbl. Talk. Be loud. Be annoying. Tell everyone you know how much you dig the series (or any series you love). Help us spread the word so we can keep doing what we do.
>>80805812
The hypocrisy of this book coming from the Spider-Man offices, when Jess voices and then knocks down all the arguments trotted out by creators and editorial as to why Peter Parker can't be a father and why it would ruin him as a character, is just...
And Jess is doing it on her own, while Peter had a wife to co-parent with, MJ's Aunt Anna to babysit, and an extended community of non-super powered people to help out with the baby.
Not that I want Peter to be a father, it's that the stench of Marvel hypocrisy is thicker than it usually is.
Oh, Marvel, you adorable little hypocrites you!
>>80800790
Patsy, you drunk.
>>80806201
I find it amusing since it shows how little they care about Jess compared to Peter.
>>80800780
>Cops do it, firefighters do it, soldiers...
Yeah but they're usually men, who leave the mothers at home or at the least with safer jobs in case the worst should happen to the father. The baby here needs its mother. At the very least female mother officers/soldiers have the father at home to take care of the child, taking on the superhero life seems more irresponsible as a single mother.
Why do you think Jessica Jones stopped heroing but Luke Cage continued?
>>80807988
Because she was disillusioned with it and took up to investigations.
>>80800930
False. Idiot.
>Jessica Drew is a rich white woman who had a baby after a casual fling because she felt like it and offloads all the care onto a nanny while she does her regular day to day thing
Seriously? This is arguably worse than killing off Mettle with Arcade. Remember when Jessica was a spy and a hero? Now she's a First World Problems NY mom.
>>80800723
Why the hell is he walking around with a bow and arrow casually?
>I didn't bring the exploding ones! I thought we were going to the park!
...but brings arrows anyway?
>my experience as a hipster comic writer parent should be the same as Spider-Woman's experience as a parent
Just fuck me up. Just kill me. Power Man and Iron Fist was so bad today too.
>>80808665
Used to hunt animals.
>>80800881
>>80800896
I wish Illuminated Comics was still around to take the puss out of this.
>>80804799
Sinister Syndicate
it's Boomerang
Shocker
Beetle (the original one)
Speed Demon
Rhino
Hydro Man
This time they are missing Rhino and Hydro Man. They were like the B-Team sinister Six.
>>80808846
>Beetle (the original one)
Abe, what the fuck are you doing?
>>80808770
I would like the character a lot more if he was a Ted Nugent styles nutter that kept a bow around and advocated rights to have one on subways etc. While also being criminally insane.
>>80805061
>now you're just nitpicking and looking for excuses to complain.
no matter how much you prepare before, that's just theory, once you actually have a baby it will be different and you'll have to put in the practice and reevaluate everything in light of the new facts you've learned.
this isn't a bad comic, you people are just complaining because you decided beforehand that it would be shit and you would complain
No, fuck you dude, a baby is not a puppy, it’s not something you can try out and if it doesn’t work you just take it back. Jessica questioning if she’s really capable of being a mother after going through a decision like injecting someone’s sperm inside of her is not sane, and makes her look like a goddamn retard. Questions like those are acceptable if this was an accident, if this wasn’t planned, but she went out of her way to get pregnant.
>>80808940
>Abe, what the fuck are you doing?
Admitting that his run as a hero has been a flop and going back to what he should be doingIn serious though, the Abe beetle armor is a lot cooler than what Janice has going on. I'm not actually advocating Abe going rogue, but I do want a new male Beetle. Or at least stick Janice in it and forgo titillation for once with a rule 63 character
>>80809228
The first female Beetle was in 12 foot armor that was swole as fuck, and the second one was in the default Beetle armor. Having a lightweight one makes her unique.
Holy shit spiderwoman's home clothes are a thousand times hotter than her outform has ever been
>>80800790
>>80800803
That's cute, Patsy.
>>80800896
I don't why but reminded me of moon over june for some reason.
>>80800803
>>80808846
Pretty sure that's supposed to be the Foes, not the Syndicate. Overdrive is the only one missing, but even then he could easily just be knocked out to the right side or something, or Jess tied him up above her.
Anyway, I'm just happy to see them all again.
>>80805253
Watch it still be Clint
>>80800896
I find it strange that a writer who becoming a father inspired this whole comic created a story where the role of fatherhood is completely removed.
But yeah, fuck Jessica. children aren't puppies.
>>80800704
>still drawing she-hulk like a former roid rager in drag
her death in civil war 2 is a mercy that cannot come soon enough
>>80805349
My money is on Hank Pym.
>>80809975
Jess is and always will be top shelf.
Physically.
>>80811632
Wasps and spiders are natural enemies, so this kid is going to be torn up on the inside.
>>80800825
Yeah, neat to see them again though I'm a little sad they're just being used as fodder.
I'm also sad no one picked up on the Shocker as a don storyline.
>>80804758
>>80805061
I agree with these anon's, I thought it was good. You can dislike it but try having your own opinion instead of submitting to the /co/ hive mind
>>80800562
Why? Who the hell chooses to deprive their kid of a father? That's just messed up and irresponsible, not to mention dangerous for the kid.
