So why did Steve Ditko leave Marvel? Did he have a falling out with Stan Lee over Norman Osborne being the Green Goblin? Did his Objectivism clash with the fairly left wing atmosphere of Marvel at the time? Or was it simply that he was finished with the stories he wanted to tell there?
Probably a combination of the first two.
Is he squint-eyed?
Steve's the last significant Stan contemporary left. I get the feeling Stan's waiting for him to go, and then he'll finally check out.
>>80779312
Whose wife was it Stan slept with, Kirby's?
>>80779435
Yeah it was Kirby's
>>80779435
Yes.
>Jack met his wife while she was working in a lingerie store
That should have been a red flag right there.
>>80779447
only because he asked
>>80779312
write him and ask
he writes back, but apparently he's not interested in discussing the arguments of 50 years ago, so i guess despite being an objectivist he's slightly more human than you are
>>80779502
>but apparently he's not interested in discussing the arguments of 50 years ago
Honestly I wouldn't be either. Besides. Isn't it more fun to speculate?
>>80779447
I assume Kirby mostly left Marvel over that but also because he wasn't allowed to end Thor like he wanted to?
>>80779478
Still, dick move.
>thanks for that Thor thing that's selling pretty well
>EXCELSIOR!
>>80779547
not really no
you're writing fanfic about some old guys you don't even know, it's pretty pathetic
>>80779788
Stop being such a fag, m8
>>80779312
Isn't objectivism all about credit for your own labours and control of your own creative or professional output? Wouldn't Stan Lee taking credit for Ditko's shit irritate him because of that, leading him to become a Randian nutjob?
>>80779502
He isn't interested in discussing the arguments through letters. He's written about it in essays at least 14 years ago and probably might do so more.
>>80779340
It's not the first one. Ditko was sole plotter by that time and Stan Lee was just doing dialogue, there wouldn't have been any way for them to argue about the Green Goblin's identity.
Besides, Ditko confirmed in one of his essays that he always intended for Norman to be Green Goblin.
He still hasn't outright said the reason he left was, but he implied as seen here that the reasons that OP says probably aren't true. One rumor was that he didn't receive the payment or royalties he was promised by Martin Goodman, but that hasn't been confirmed.
I wonder if Jack's kids shouldn't get their DNA tested.
>>80779312
Almost everything you need to know about Ditko's time on Spider-Man is in Blake Bell's Stranger and Stranger: The World of Steve Ditko book, since it also quoted from Ditko's essays.
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>>80780054
>Wouldn't Stan Lee taking credit for Ditko's shit irritate him
Stan NEVER took credit. The only reason he GOT credit was because he was out there selling himself and being charismatic and charming as fuck. Even now a days he's like a cool grandpa.
Ditko for all his talent was always a bit of an angry recluse and while I hear Jack was lovable once you got to know him, you had to actually get to know him first.
It's not a surprise Stan became the face of Marvel when he was actually out being a face
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>>80780581
>Stan NEVER took credit. The only reason he GOT credit was because he was out there selling himself and being charismatic and charming as fuck. Even now a days he's like a cool grandpa.
So is like William Shatner.
>>80780302
>Besides, Ditko confirmed in one of his essays that he always intended for Norman to be Green Goblin.
I really want to know where the rumor that this was something Stan changed around started, because I have heard that being retold since the fucking eighties. Maybe it was started by one of the old-school comics fan magazines? I've seriously seen this story retold in different forms for 30 years now.
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>>80780685
I know for certain the claim that Ditko left because of the Green Goblin was mentioned in Les Daniels' Marvel book, shown here. It was published around 1991 or thereabouts.
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>>80780581
>Ditko for all his talent was always a bit of an angry recluse
He never appears in public anymore and there's almost no recent photos of him anywhere. I understand he's old and it might be hard for him to get out now, but Stan is even older and it doesn't stop him.
>>80780857
Stan might just age better you never know.
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>>80780104
Essays are the great refuge of those who lost the argument.
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>>80781469
That's why you don't read?
>>80781630
Skipping ahead (the pages between >>80781630
and this one was a chapter about Dr. Strange, and a chapter that started out with a brief overview of Ayn Rand. We're skipping to the page that gets back to Ditko and how he got into Rand's work.
>>80780651
>So is like William Shatner.
Noooooooooo, William Shatner really was a raving egomaniac who made life miserable for much of the crew. Especially Takei and Koenig. If it wasn't more Nimoy I doubt most of the cast would have stayed on past the first season.
I mean just go watch Star Trek 5.
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>>80781846
Here it mentions that Lee stopped talking to Ditko prior to Amazing Spider-Man #25.
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>>80780758
Makes sense, that book is filled with half-truths and poor research.
>>80782036
I skipped the full-page images, but I'm including this one because the book noted the caption at the end as an example of how Lee and Ditko weren't communicating; only Ditko knew who the character was at that time.
>>80782077
This part about the making of the Looter story is also worth reading.
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>>80782257
And that's that.
>>80782054
Relax, Sheeple.
>>80779435
Someone that worked int he bullpen said that Lee could never sleep with Jack's wife, because Jack would kill him if he ever found out...
>>80779435
Kirby slept with his own wife, but Stan took the credit.
>>80780577
Fuck that is a nice cover. I still miss Kirby.
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>>80780685
I can't remember where it was but some article implied that the rumor was already around by the time Romita was drawing Spider-Man.
>>80782310
It's all an old joke from X-Play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM8zB6zm860
>>80779312
Who knows, I'm more interested in how he survived tuberculosis twice.
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>>80780758
Seems like you can just about find the origin of the myth here:
>>80781979
Rather than the green goblin being the point of contention , it was the Crime Master. Green Goblin was a relatively low-key villain back then, with Doc Ock as the main badguy.
Of course, oral history leaning towards the more dramatic as it is, changed the story from the relatively obscure Crime Master, to Green Goblin, who's now one of Spider-man's best known villains(albeit largely due to events long after Ditko left).
>>80780577
Holy shit that's a pretty good spidey cover on the left, the right may be iconic, but the left... it's amazing.
>>80785143
Ditko's art suited those early Spider-Man stories so well.
