No spoilers, but wasn't building a statue to Superman after Man of Steel in poor taste? Who thought that'd be a good idea?
>>80752273
Before someone "SPOILERS, REEEEEEEEEE" this is graffiti is at the base of the Superman statue seen in the trailer. A reference to the fact his battle with Zod left a few blocks of the city destroyed.
>>80752273
The trailers make it seem like more people hate him than respect him.
So, yeah.
>>80752313
>a few blocks
THIS DELUSION
>>80752364
He definitely destroyed a few city blocks. Did you not see that film?
Or are you one of those idiots that tries to say it was just a couple of buildings?
>>80752416
it was a whole city. and then some.
>>80752273
I'm about to spoil shit for you.The statue is Superman's memorial after being killed by Doomsday
>>80753683
That's as shocking as Arkham Knight being Jason Todd.
>>80752364
>Man of murder destroyed the whole city
God i hate this meme, I have the Gotham and metropolis travel guides and the map of metropolis shows heroes park, where nearly all of the real damage took place, its only about 4x4 blocks, and considering that size of metropolis, that's nothing
>>80752416
>He definitely destroyed a few city blocks.
>He
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Only 1 SINGLE building fell during the final one on one fight all dew to Zod's eye beams.
Everything else was the World Engine or the scout ship crashing.
>>80752532
NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SqBzNT_llL8
>>80752364
Except not. See the red circle? That's the extent of the damage.
But what will they do with Zod's black dildos
He saved the entire planet. One city is shit compared to that.
>>80755587
Not even one city
>>80755484
Remember the memorial park in the trailers? Remember how it wasn't very big compared to the size of the city? That was the extent of the damage.
>>80752273
Spoilers for those that have been spoiledSomeone alluded to the fact that Lex invents kryptonite at the end of the movie, so how the fuck does Batman even "beat" Superman without it?
So we have final confirmation that every leaker so far as been full of shit.
>>80755323
>first time releasing images and teasing the idea of Arkham Knight
>everyone: "It's Jason Todd"
>Rocksteady: "N-no Arkham Knight is our brand new original character, fuck you guys for making assumptions you're so stupid"
>Game release
>In-game reveal
>Rocksteady: "PLOT TWIST! Bet you guys didn't see that coming ;)"
>>80755689
Batman uses synthesized Kryptonian atmosphere like inside Zods ship.
>>80755689
easy thing they can say is that Bruce only started realizing what kryptonite was, but Lex actually finished remaking it.
>>80755750
That's a stupid fucking weakness to be honest. Couldn't Superman just hold his breath indefinitely.
The people of Earth, who are only alive thanks to him?
Superman destroyed exactly this much of Metropolis directly
>the windows and outer facade of a presumably empty skyscraper
>part of a parking garage, by dodging a tanker truck that Zod pushed at him rather than catching it, something you can see that he immediately regretted when he looked back at the structure
>the upper floors of a few skyscrapers, when he brought down the scout ship in order to prevent Zod from destroying the Phantom Zone bomb and causing more damage
And I believe he punched Zod through a building or too. Everything else he damaged was either already destroyed, or was damaged indirectly by Zod throwing him through it.
Zod and company caused ALL of the rest of the damage with their ship and the World Engine.
>>80755689
That's probably wrong. From what we've seen, it looks like Batman steals it from LexCorp before his battle with Superman.
>>80755750
>the armored Batsuit is made of Zod's leftover Kryptonian tech that Wayne Enterprises bought in secret
I'm fucking jizzing my pants
>>80753683
Well that isn't true, because you can see it being revealed in the prequel comics, which are canon.
>>80755808
>Zod pushed at him rather than catching it, something you can see that he immediately regretted when he looked back at the structure
I laughed so hard at that, it was such a ooooh fuck i messed up moment, but he had to keep his cool. It reminded me of mcgrubber
>>80755870
That's an old and definitely bullshit rumor.
>>80755750
Blshit, EW story confirmed that Bruce has a spear made out of Kryptonite.
>>80755904
I thought it was pretty funny too. But in typical fashion, Man of Murder autists used that as "proof" of his indifference to collateral damage, rather than him being wet behind the ears, which is what it actually proves.
>>80755870
It should be lex's suit which is refurbished kryptonian tech
>>80755808
>The people of Earth, who are only alive thanks to him?
Considering Zod would have never shown up if not for Clark, and the army would have just destroyed the ship after the defense systems attacked, There really would have been way less people dead if not for Superman.
So how was the whole Doomsday fight if ya got any pics of that?
>>80755587
The only reason the planet was in danger was because he was there, he didn't save shit
>>80755870
In the prequel comics, LexCorp discreetly buys all of the alien tech actually. So this >>80755968 is more likely.
>>80755976
And Owen and Beru would still be alive if it weren't for R2-D2 and C-3PO. But the information that R2-D2 was carrying ended up saving trillions of lives. See where I'm going with this?
You can make that argument for a lot of things, and it's rarely ever correct.
>>80755997
Hey Batman, funny running into you here on 4chan
>>80755689
>Someone alluded
Someone was wrong
>>80755976
While it's true that they followed kal el's ship. If they eventually made it to earth because there was a scouting ship there, the government would have gotten wrecked. They might have called zod themselves by accident since that one ship got discovered. Though zod wouldn't try to populate because he didn't have kal el dna matrix thing. So who knows.
>>80755997
Even if they were there because of him he still saved the world from them.
>>80755808
>And I believe he punched Zod through a building or too.
Only the 711
>>80756141
I guess if I light a building on fire and save a baby from it I'm a hero too, huh?
so...Zod became Doomsday, Clark and Batman's fight gets interrupted by Doomsday, and Clark dies?
I was going to skip this movie anyway, but now I know why.
>>80756141
He fixed his oops daisy, though growing up with earth red neck kids being asshats maybe we owed him since he could just be a dick and rule the world. It's part of the balance of the character. He's a good guy for not being a piece of shit with his power set. Yet we kind of feel as a society it's his responsiblility to use said natural power set for our advancement and well being. And if he ever stops he's considered a piece of shit. So we're essentially luthor.
>>80755484
It's bigger than that. Even from this one screenshot you can see that it's at least two blocks, assuming Lois and Superman are standing right at the edge of the devastation looking over the bulk of it. Those are not small apartment buildings, they're too tall and wide even in their partially destroyed state (and they'll all have to be pulled down, so the devastation in fact extends to them as well - each of them is going to take, minimum, a couple of years to redesign, finance, and rebuild).
The minimum footprint of one of those part-destroyed buildings is 2500m2 (50m a side) just going by visible floors. Each of them could easily contain several thousand people; "just" the extent of that damage means that twenty, thirty thousand people would have been in the area when it was destroyed, including occupied buildings, people on streets, people in subways. There would be nowhere for them to evacuate too in time to escape.
Also note that on your own map you've ringed an area more than six times larger than the heart of the city, the nearby stock exchange, and larger than the entire university campus. The loss of either one of those institutions in whole or in large part would destroy most major cities; nobody would be rushing to bring them back. When the WTC fell it ruined economic plans the world over because of the knock-on effect on global market confidence; but the attacks themselves didn't target any of New York's stock exchanges directly, and trading was only temporarily suspended during the emergency. Actually wiping out a stock exchange would not result in its being rebuilt within a decade or so for business as usual; it would not come back. They're only really situated in cities now because computer trading hasn't completely taken over and it isn't yet wholly up to bots to decide how the markets look. Given the opportunity? They'd leave, save money, and operate out of a bunker in the middle of nowhere; it would tear the heart out of a city.
>>80756111
>>80756053
>>80756141
>All this damage control
God I fucking hate Man of Steel.
>>80755976
He would have found Earth eventually. They were going to old Kryptonian outposts and scoutships regardless if Clark turned on the ship.
>>80756227
weak bait.
>>80756259
You know why because of unconfirmed rumors
>>80752364
It's not delusion. The vast majority of the city is untouched. Actually watch the film
>>80756227
More like you mention there's lots of gasoline in that building to a pyromaniac by accident. And you catch him burning it down so you save as many people as possible. But people are mad at you for not saving all their stuff and not knowing the guy was a pyro.
>>80755997
>>80755976
So if I buy a new car and someone sees it and follows me home and murders my family it's my fault?
>>80756362
see >>80756295
And that's before they start fighting outside of there.
>>80756313
THERE IS NOTHING FUCKING WRONG WITH SUPERMAN UNINTENTIONALLY CAUSING THE THREAT, IT DOES NOT NEGATE HIS FUCKING HEROISM ONCE THE DANGER EXIST.
Spiderman and Hulk cause their threats all the fucking time you hypocrites.
>>80755976
>Considering Zod would have never shown up if not for Clark,
No, Zod would have 100% shown up because he was following the scout ships. Superman accidentally alerted him. If Superman wasn't here to stop him everyone would have died
>>80756391
That is a few blocks though. Watch the fight most of the city is fine.
>>80756313
Mine wasn't damage control it was an accurate description of what happened. I said idk if zod would've even gone to earth, or even wanted to take over without the mateix. But it's bullshit the government would have stood a chance of zod did land. You can't state dumb shit then call it damage control when you're proven mistaken or partially incorrect.
>>80756391
WATCH THIS FUCKING VIDEO!
>>80755468
>>80756391
It was still only a few blocks though
Remember them fighting in the air surrounded by skyscrapers? Where were they fighting if the entire city was destroyed like all the shitposters say?
>>80756295
>The majority of the buildings in that one shot aren't damaged at all
You're not helping your argument
>>80756530
I don't get a lot of idiots making up reasons for faulting the movie, when there was several exsisting reasons to dislike it. But nooo, lets say the whole city burned. Like fuck way to fail at making a valid argument.
>>80756422
spider-man and hulk are not directly compared to jesus
business as usual, then
So what are all these supposed spoilers?
>>80756661
What does that have to do with anything?
>>80756769
10/10 i would give you hug if i could
>>80755740
i know. why didnt they just admit the twist. that would have been the better choice duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>80756787
Fucking hell I double tag to make sure and I still guck up
So this our spoilers thread?[/spoilers]I doubt Clark dies at the end, at least how people have described it. If he flies Doomsday into the sun and dies then why is he lying on the ground? If he got beat by Doomsday why does he only have a single scorch on his logo?
Im assuming thats Knightmare Supes till proven otherwise, Black Adam, Flash or whoever[/spoilers]
>>80755468
>someone is so pathetic he dedicated his life in defending Man of Shit with lies
baka
>>80756605
No one cares that the entire city isn't destroyed anon.
Superman literally causes five to ten 9-11 level events during that fight scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnAw3E_mLh8
Look at that. We invaded several countries for 1 of those. Superman is a monster. And Batman's gonna stop him.
>>80756847The pic in question is clearly from the Knightmare scene. & if he does die I'm not expecting to be for any longer than how Tony was "dead" in the first Avengers movie
>>80756277
>He's a good guy for not being a piece of shit with his power
Most of the time.
I mean he does destroy one guys livelihood and means of work by crushing a rather expensive tanker truck because the guy was acting like a jerk.
the arguments over collateral damage only occur to distract idiots from the misrepresentation of Zod
Zod would never arbitrarily kill a bunch of primitives, especially for such an idiotic reason like 'oh well this planet is fine'
at his worst, he would enslave them, at his best he would completely ignore them
>implying Superman didn't help rebuild most of the city
>>80756362
vast majority of NYC was untouched by 9/11 and look how people reacted to that
>>80756313
Ha now youre just being a bitch. At least refuse those points because as much as I didn't like man of steel, I don't see how superman merely existing and doing shit with no knowledge of Zods existence or freedom that alerted zod to his presence somehow makes Zods actions his fault.
>>80756851The people that posted the picture said it's not a spoiler and the BoxOfficeZ guy said it;s out of context and that it's from the Knightmare scene.
>>80757060
Thank God
>>80756984
>implying he did.
This isn't Flash anon. Wayne, Kord and Lex rebuilt the cities. Read the prequel comic if you don't believe me.
>>80757060
>>80756851WE BLACK ADAM NOW
>>80757060
Sauce please, I can't deal with this shit anymore.
>>80757094
>Thomas Kord
Young Ted from FE confirmed
How exactly did the entire movie get spoiled? Is the movie good?
>>80757158
Asians are saying it's great. Those Pakistani blokes said it was great. I'm awaiting the inevitable clickbait article saying BvS is anti-white propaganda
>>80757132
>>80757094
Wait is Teds dad called Thomas or did they just mistake Theodor for Thomas?
>>80757060
Black Adam confirmed?
si monumentum requiris circumspice
>>80757116
The video got taken down but the BOZ guy is in the BVS spoiler thread on boxofficetheory.com forums.
He is pretty trustworthy since he's posted early reviews of movies before including TFA.
>/tv/ still acting like Superman is actually going to die
Are they shitposting or are they actually just dumb?
>>80756847
Or you know, write a better twist or better story in general that people don't predict.
>>80756862
>Superman literally causes five to ten 9-11 level events during that fight scene.
What in Christ name is wrong with you.
1 SINGLE building fell.
The Wayne building.
Clark did ZERO structural damage to it.
STOP FUCKING LYING!
>>80757488
They've been thirsty to shitpost about this movie for ages. If you told them you saw an early screening access and said that Lex Luthor would be the founding member of the JL, they would believe you.
>>80756851
>Introducing Doomsday and NOT having him kill Superman
fuck this shit, he's not just some generic giant monster brute for Superman to kill. Come the fuck on.
I get that either way Superman shouldn't completely die since he's gonna be in Justice League, but that's the whole fucking story. He dies to the public but is actually healing in the Fortress of Solitude.
I'd imagine in the first quarter of Justice League, people think Superman is dead, including Lois, but Batman groups together the Justice League, deduces shit, and they work together and find Superman there and bring him into the team, or Supes does it himself after seeing the big bad threaten earth.
>>80757659
>for Superman to kill
Hes not, hes a generic alien monster for the entire trinity to kill
>>80757060But the Knightmare scene isn't supposed to be with Superman taking the Batman's mask?
>>80758171
The Knightmare sequence appears to be much longer than expected
>>80758171
i bet 10 bucks that it will be the best part of the movie, so yeah
>>80757208
That's his Dad in the New 52.
>>80757659
>fuck this shit, he's not just some generic giant monster brute for Superman to kill. Come the fuck on.
Yes he is. He is easily one of the lamest and most boring superman foe of all time. I remember when that shit show first hit I was insulted, fucking insulted that they chose to not have one of his older storied villains take him out. No they introduced some mindless shlub of a nobody who went 'rarghhh punching' and hit him until he dropped. I honestly do not get why people act like this is wasting doomsday.
Doomsday is and always has been an absolute waste of ink. He is so fucking boring and I for one am over the moon that this movie might hopefully mean they never bring him back as a serious centerpiece of any future film.
>>80758205an evil superman and a dead superman in the same scene? that's weird
>>80758439Or the evil Superman is that dead Superman. Again, much more Knightmare than expectes
>>80752273
Without reading the thread I'm sure there's a few dozen people going "HE SAVED THE ENTIRE WORLD" but in universe? Yeah, The average guy on the street doesn't really know that Superman saved anyone during his debut, he just knows that Zod hijacked the airwaves, then the military arrested an alien, then the aliens started having a grudge match across middle america.
>>80758205
Heres what I want.Batman gets killed after being hit by Darkseids bendy lazers. Superman gets up cos OHEMGEE he isn't dead after all. He picks up batmans body which is now just bones in the batsuit and cries out in pain having been freed from the anti life equations control by bruces death. He vows revenge. Years pass and superman walks onto a parademon run compound...and we see THIS IMAGE!
More and more the Knightmare scene sounds like it's going to be fucking awesome but ultimately pointless and disjointed from the rest of the movie.
>>80758540
I mean they kinda also saw a space lazer begin shooting alien beams into the city and destroying shit too.
What happened? Did it get leaked?
>>80755870
>>80758589
I hope so, i hope we see a ragtag JLA like in rock of ages
>>80758578
That'd be the most beautiful thing ever in cape movies
>>80756111
>While it's true that they followed kal el's ship. If they eventually made it to earth because there was a scouting ship there, the government would have gotten wrecked
Yeah, but that's still an IF. No yellow sun and a sealed kryptonian atmosphere. Assuming that a non-powered Kryptonian has a life span comperable to humans, they had at most another 40 years or so before they started dropping dead of old age. Considering they could only hyperjump the once, there's a pretty good chance that without the beacon they'd have died of old age before stumbling across Earth.
>>80752364
>>80755403
>>80752416
>Did you not see that film?
Did you people?
Just because Snyder is retconning shit in the new movie and trying to make it seem less after criticism, that doesn't mean the impression of massive the first film is any different.
Plus, technically 9/11 was only a few blocks. Yet I don't hear any retards saying that wasn't a big deal because it was only a few blocks of New York.
Fuck's sake. Even the promo images they laid the cast photos on showed city wide destruction.
>>80756804
Person A and Person B can't swim. Person A stands in the shallow end of the pool where the water doesn't come up past his waist. Person B jumps off of a boat directly over the Mariana Trench.
You, observing both, go "NEITHER OF THEM CAN SWIM WHY ARE WE ONLY ACTING LIKE PERSON B IS AN IDIOT"
>>80758578
I would actually be pretty excited to see that.
>>80758805
>Plus, technically 9/11 was only a few blocks. Yet I don't hear any retards saying that wasn't a big deal because it was only a few blocks of New York.
In point of fact the death toll according to Snyder was double that of 9-11
>>80755484
> marketing material from the second movie
> ignoring the marketing material from the first movie and actual scenes from the movie itself
You really think these idiots aren't backpedaling from the scenes they filmed of the first movie?
They got tons of people complaining about how bad it was. So they are trying to pretend it never happened despite having scenes that gave you a whole different sense of the level of destruction.
This kinda garbage retconning goes on in comics all the time. Now Warners is pulling this garbage in their films. They can't even form a cohesive narrative between two films and they want to build a whole decades long franchisee out of these films?!
>>80758996
I wonder if he still sticks by that number of if he's backpedaling that too after negative reactions.
The idiot probably thought it would be cool and 'edgy' to make Superman at the epicenter of a 9/11 times a hundred.
He's as bad as fucking Michael Bay.
Ok heres what we've heard so farBatman delivers the "one man who beat you" line just before collapsing and superman takes him to wayne manor for medical treatment, Lex creates kryptonite, Aquaman is a lexlab prisoner who escapes and saves lois on his way out, suspected Hal actor is a drone pilot who delivers nuke to doomsday, knightmare and/or present time superman "die", Barry is in the knightmare
My friend thinks MoS is the best comic book movie ever, and thinks BvS is going to be good. How can I explain to him how wrong he is?
>>80759072
I think the truth is that he doesn't put thought into his answers. He makes up something that sounds right in that particular interview, and doesn't consider if it'll conflict with the rest of the movie or with future projects.
Like how his explanation for that scene with Clark wearing a cape as a kid was "He's wearing it because his Kryptonian genetics tell him to" even though the movie spends like 20 minutes going "Clark isn't a slave to his kryptonian genetics like all the other aliens".
>A shitty, fucked up world needs a guy like Superman to help out, but Superman's just one guy and it takes several heroes
Don't see the problem there
>>80759286
So he puts as much thought into interviews as he does in his films themselves. Sounds about right.
>>80759160
Show him Blue is the Warmest Color
You know I was going to say "Where's Batman's statue" but then I remembered the ending to TDKR and now I'm just sad and tired.
>>80756509
Stop shilling your video.
He clearly destroyed a lot and now Batman his going to make him his bitch because of that
>>80759446
>That pic
I'm not a fan of Snyder but you're actually making him sound pretty based by posting that.
>>80759556
I really hope Bruce stomps his teeth in. Clark deserves it for being so irresponsible.
>>80759556
Nah man let im keep shilling it. The fact that MoS even NEEDS this channel is the best argument possible to its poor quality.
Even Sonic the Hedgehog games don't have this kind of thing.
>>80759683
>underestimating the autism of the Sonic fandom
Always a bad idea
Do we know if the movie's actually good? Literally all I care about. I have more faith in the writers this time, but just the idea of introducing all this in one movie seems like a stretch.
>>80759725
Show me the Sonic2006Answers page then.
Because I could use some cringe laughs.
>>80759732
You're going to get a really loud group that says it's perfect, a really loud group that says it's shit, and a whole lot of people in the middle that go it's okay or average or so so. Then the first group will accuse the third group of being the second group.
You're just going to have to see it yourself or train yourself not to care. Either way I wouldn't trust what anyone says in response to this thing.
It feels like they're trying to stuff way too much stuff into one movie.
>>80759556
Trying too hard now
That nigga shouldnt be taking your weak ass bait
>>80759840
I'm sure we could get an objective enough account. Most people said that MoS wasn't good, although it did have a few great parts.
>>80759683
I love how there's straight up proof to show that people are full of shit and it gets dismissed.
>>80759987
Half the shit on that channel is headcanon and supposition based on outside information.
>>80756862
>Look at that. We invaded several countries for 1 of those. Superman is a monster. And Batman's gonna stop him.
>BvS is a commentary on why being pro-invasion was the right choice
>>80756862
You mean the one building? Some floors of a parking garage? Some windows and a few holes? Definitely 5 - 10 9/11s
>>80756769
I am preserving this for future generations, so that they may all know our suffering.
You know I wanted to see how silly Jesse would look in green power armor, but hey you cant have everything
>>80760204
http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/11/09/man-of-steels-death-total-was-around-5000-people-according-to-director-zack-snyder/
Just two, actually.
>>80756313
Stop being a faggot then
>>80760451
>74
>>80760451
Better than comically downplaying the deaths I suppose
>>80760486
>177
>>80758997
>You really think these idiots aren't backpedaling from the scenes they filmed of the first movie?
No. They're fucking showing the exact same destruction scene from a different point of view. They're even showing the scout ship slicing through buildings. They aren't holding back at all.
>>80755403
1.He's directly responsible for the destruction of metropolis, smallville AND bringing the aliens to their doorstep.
2.He popped up out of fucking nowhere AFTER an invincible alien invader who no one could stop no matter what told them that not only were they going to destroy their world but that he's their compatriot and has been there amongst them for years. Leading people to think that he didn't save them so much as he protected his empire/fought off claim jumpers from beyond the starts.
3.There is NO WAY anyone would create a fucking statue to superman under those circumstances. Not as a gesture of thanks or anything. If anything it's a meaningless thing created simply to kiss his ass and hope that their new ruler won't turn on them/their city.
>people literally still respond to Xenos shitposting
It's been 3 years guys. I thought you'd have learned by now.
>>80756862
>Level 1 building
>Blow all the corner supports out of a second (As a construction worker, that's irreperable damage, that sucker has to come down.)
>Double trailered oil truck sliding right to him, he avoids it (because super heroes don't look at explosions. Real responsible, it's not like there weren't a SHIT TON of civilians in the previous scene.
>Parking garage collapses, that's two buildings.
>Midtown fisticuffs, and civilians running in the background, while cars rain from the sky.
>TOASTY uppercut, cars are still falling from the sky and there's civvies just STANDING there less than half a block from this whole mess.
>ZOD SMASH his way up the side of the building, Supes breaking every glass pane behind him as he goes down.
>Clash takes out one exterior wall of a skyscraper, that's gonna come down soon enough.
>Construction site. First responsible thing anyone's done in this fight, and i think it was ZOD who went there first. So Supes wasn't trying to direct this away from civilians, Zod was!
>"This job site has worked for 0 days without blah de blah" i caught that snyder you clever dog. bet you laughed for half an hour over that. Bastard.
>Zod ascends, fight goes airborn.
>NOW superman is trying to move him along with punches... except it appears as if he decided to take the LONG route going THROUGH the whole city, instead of out to the bay or ocean or whatever (Metropolis has a intentionally murky location... across a bay from Gotham? really?)
>Side note: why are so many buildings on fire? or at least *smouldering*? It's like 'You can see to far, make the sky hazier' was a line of thought.
>Another exterior wall of a building... Maybe two walls on one building or two separate building's walls, it's hard to tell with this camera.
>"No capes!"
>Okay, that might be fixable, dead center on another building. looksl ike it was just to one floor too.
>Oh, wait, he went all the way through.
>Two, three, four...
cont.
>>80760903
>God damnit Five buildings, and he kills the corner on the last one?
>Na na! nanananananaNa Cavilmari damacy!
>Also, oddly empty cubicle farm. This is the only place we've seen without civilians around, really. That is just weird.
>And they take the fight into orbit *finally* getting away from the property damage
Oh thank god, okay, now, maybe this isn't as bad as i make it out-
>Satellite
OH COME ON!
>Back to earth
Well now you can aim for open water or a big empty state like kansas!
>Grand central station
fuck dis shit i'm out.
>More rubble, more trouble.
>Civillians are everywhere
>Zod eye beams Go!
>Necksnap.
Damnit, stop stealing Wonder Woman's schtick.
Fuck, this whole thing is pretty unforgivable.
>People trying to measure with math, maps and charts something that happened in a movie.
Borderline autistic, in the literal sense. Autistic people have trouble rationalizing subjective material. Never change guys.
>>80759683
But the film having shit tons of destruction has absolute ZERO barring on its quality.
It needs it because people are factually lying about what transpires on screen to fit their biases.
>>80760451
That death toll was including the world engine deaths.
>>80761061
It's a bit like counting the shots a hero's gun takes before he has to reload. Some people just obsess about that stuff. it's not autistic, just human nature.
>Best movie for reload enthusiasts: John Wick.
Hell, some people get taken out of a movie if it's set in a place they know and they don't recognize any local landmarks (Like using Vancouver for (American City X)), some people get miffed at stupid car things (Like when a driver shifts into a 2nd reverse gear in a Fast & Furious film).
In the case of BvS, it's about the destruction porn. How much, how many, how far.
I remember back in the late 90's an insurance adjuster tabulated all the damage in the tristar Godzilla movie.. Hell, there's a Youtube channel that does a feature called 'what's the damage", where they watch classic action flicks and attempt to figure out the insurance claim, using actuarial tables from the year the movie was set in / released. (Blues Brothers holds the record for most automotive claims.)
>>80761170
That's not what the quote says. For all we know the deaths as a result of the fighting are 5k but the world engine doubles that again.
>>80761110
>But the film having shit tons of destruction has absolute ZERO barring on its quality.
You're one of those guys that checks out mid sentence and doesn;t listen to the entire complaint, aren't you.
No one is complaining that there's destruction in of itself. The complaint was, is, and always has been that they tried to do destruction porn WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY painting Clark as Jesus. The two are diametrically opposed, you can't do a flawed character and then compare him to a mythological figure whose defining characteristic is being without sin.
>>80760789
To be fair, no one knows it was him who gave them the address.
>>80761110
>But the film having shit tons of destruction has absolute ZERO barring on its quality.
It has when the movie and characters don't aknowledge it, means it was there just for the spectacle, hence the common accusation of destruction porn. How come when Transformers does it people are right to call it out but with MoS it suddenly becomes high art and who doesn't like it must be an ignorant?
>>80760903
>Level 1 building
That was brought down ENTIRELY by Zod's eye beams, Clark did ZERO structural damage to it.
>Double trailered oil truck sliding right to him, he avoids it (because super heroes don't look at explosions. Real responsible, it's not like there weren't a SHIT TON of civilians in the previous scene.
If he did not realize the truck would explode then the responsible thing would be to keep his eyes focused on Zod to make sure he did not start blitz attacking civilians.
>>Parking garage collapses
No just one side of it.
>Midtown fisticuffs, and civilians running in the background, while cars rain from the sky.
>TOASTY uppercut, cars are still falling from the sky and there's civvies just STANDING there less than half a block from this whole mess.
Yes and if he tries to fly off and leave Zod might not follow and instead start attacking the civilians individually.
Also note how much Clark was restraining the power of his punches compared to the ones he released up in the sky.
>NOW superman is trying to move him along with punches... except it appears as if he decided to take the LONG route going THROUGH the whole city
False, the direction he took avoided the tallest Skyscrapers in the city which are the ones Zod swerved into at the point that they reached the edge of downtown.
>Okay, that might be fixable, dead center on another building. looksl ike it was just to one floor too.
>Oh, wait, he went all the way through.
>Two, three, four...
>God damnit Five buildings, and he kills the corner on the last one?
ALL OF THIS WAS ZOD YOU GOD DAMN PIECE OF HUMAN FUCKING TRASH, BURN THE FUCK IN HELL.
>Back to earth
>Well now you can aim for open water or a big empty state like kansas!
Zod took them back to earth mother fucker, Clark did not regain control until the final 10th or so of the decent.
See this? My money is this being in the Knightmare, and Barry is the one who causes it. Speed. Force. Impact.
>>80756530
There's five undamaged buildings out of a dozen.
>>80761587
>ALL OF THIS WAS ZOD YOU GOD DAMN PIECE OF HUMAN FUCKING TRASH, BURN THE FUCK IN HELL.
Damn, it really is autism
>>80756053
>And Owen and Beru would still be alive if it weren't for R2-D2 and C-3PO.
No, they would still be alive if they didn't buy stolen shit off midget gypsies.
>>80761299
>human nature
Human behavior you mean. I'm pretty fucking compulsive but I just cannot empathize with trying to rationalize something so irrational as a movie.
Trying to find consistence in something that by nature it's inconsistent, it's just foolish to me.
>>80756444
So, provided he lived long enough, he would have eventually made his way to Earth. That could be the next day, decade, or century.
It was the FIRST because of Clark.
>>80761299
I think if you watch a movie and you end up counting, measuring and charting you're really not getting the point of what a movie is.
>>80756422
Yes it does negate his so called "heroism." You do not get credit for putting out a fire you started.
It seriously baffles me that you autists still have this conversation. Jesus fuck. I've never seen such obsession over an entirely mediocre piece of film making.
>>80761437
YES YOU FUCKING CAN.
The point of doing so in this film was to show his glorious potential and then drag him down into the gritty reality that he is not perfect and can not save everyone.
>>80761562
>It has when the movie and characters don't aknowledge it
I absolutely agree the time skip was a mistake.
But it handled it a billion times better then Transformers, transformers its the equivalent of a toddler smashing his train set. The destruction and its cost is the entire point of the fight scene in mos, as we know both of them won't be able to damage each other much, the tension of the fight is how long will it drag on and how much damage will happen to the city before Superman can stop Zod and what will he have to do to stop him.
>>80761640
Yes... its autism to call out lying cowards.
>>80761706
ONCE AGAIN, if I buy a new car, the former owner sees it, follows me home and kills my adopted parents is it my mother fucking fault?
My issue was less how much was destroyed and way more how little they shows superman trying to help people.
In universe im sure there are reasons people can explain away this but Snyder kinda tossed aside an opportunity to have Superman actually attempt to get some bystanders out of harms way or knock a falling object out of the path of someone underneath it. It wouldnt be hard to craft a situation that would allow for that. Just something supes did that temporarily prevented zod from hurting or destroying shit momentarily then 'oh shit danger' and he zooms over to help before reengaging in combat.
But they didn't have that shit. The only moment where it looks like an action he takes is to directly save peoples lives also happens to involve him breaking a guys fucking neck which kinda took the steam out of that element of it.
I mean say what you will about Superman Returns but it got that element down at least.
>>80761822
If you give him the address it is.
>>80761737
Yes if is if it was by accident and you almost died yourself to save the people put in danger from the accident you fucking cocksucker.
>>80761855
>if it was by accident
It's still your fault and you're still a criminally dangerous fuckup.
>>80761737
Except superman didn't start the fire.
He activated a ship he believed was a scout ship for a race that as far as he knew was entirely dead. He did not force anyone to do anything. the kryptonians chose to attack earth in order to get what they wanted even after his surrender. As many problems as that movie has, blaming Supes for the actions of Zod is just lazy criticism.
>>80761850
Not if you did not have any idea of his existence when the address is sent and you had zero knowledge that the address would be sent.
>>80761755
>The point of doing so in this film was to show his glorious potential
Unrealized potential is an unfired gun. Basic scriptwriting tells you hat if you've got a gun in the scene it needs to be fired at some point.
>>80761825
Yes and the Superman Returns Superman had 12 years of training by Jor-El plus however many years doing the job between Superman The Movie and when he goes to find Krypton.
Mos is DAY 1 with ZERO training.
>>80761889
Not if you did not have any idea that your actions could result in danger.
>>80761715
If you're doing that it's likely because the movie has failed to retain your interest in some major way.
Like for example I can tell you all the video games in various background shots of Green Lantern because those props were more interesting than the action on screen.
>>80761981
Not if the entire point of the film was to show that this world won't allow the gun to be fired, unlike the previous version of the character and world that fired the gun constantly.
>>80761822
I'm not at all surprised that you both defend this movie and can't put together a coherent metaphor.
>>80759586
> using the studio to make the original artist draw your shitty new version that doesn't work
> based
>>80761668
No, I really mean human nature.
It's natural to look for patterns, as our ancestors examined patterns of footprints on the ground to track animals, and patterns of the weather change through seasons.
In modern life, we don't have much need to tell the difference between a deer track and an elk, but it can be beneficial to know when a shooter is out of ammunition ("Did I fire six bullets, or only five? The real question is: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya?") or where a particular event is occurring ("Hey I know that highway! that's two miles from here! If I hurry I can be on TV!")
>>80761715
A good director can make you forget about little things like 'reality" (For example: the tunnel sequence in the latest Batman movie: Enter a tunnel at mid afternoon, leave at night), but quite often there are bad, or slow spots in movies where the mind does wander. Or, on repeat viewings, you can become aware of details you might have otherwise never known (like seeing the stormtrooper whack his head in the opening of Star Wars), sometimes, during a scene's setup, you think you know what is going to happen, and just start waiting for it to happen, because it always happens in movies, and then are pleasantly surprised when it doesn't. (like any movie with a countdown timer on a bomb: if it's set for 30 seconds, it's not hard to count seconds for half a minute, likewise, if you know the model of gun a character is holding, it's not hard to count the bullets being fired and see if they have to reload.)
>>80761855
>Yes if is if it was by accident and you almost died yourself
He doesn't even get bruised fighting Zod.
>to save the people put in danger from the accident you fucking cocksucker.
Criminal negligence doesn't exist?
Negligent homicide doesn't exist?
Accidental manslaughter doesn't exist?
Reckless endangerment doesn't exist?
"It was an accident" isn't the legal defense you think it is. There's plenty of ways to go to jail when it was an accident.
>>80762045
How the fuck is that not coherent?
>Clark turns on ship from another world...
>I buy a used car from a previous owner...
>Ship sends signal to Zod...
>Former owner sees me buy it and follows me home...
>Zod shows up tries to kill the species of Clark's adopted homeworld...
>Former owner shows up at house and kills my adopted parents...
>>80762005
>MoS is day one with zero training
And a snazzy caped suit. Can't forget the snazzy caped suit.
Still, it sucks from a directorial standpoint, to take one of the most competent, ethically raised heroes in modern fiction, and gut his backstory to replace all the morality his adoptive family instilled him with shallow jesus imagery.
>>80762044
Except that wasn't the entire point of the film. That's your headcanon. The world would've allowed it. The plot did not.
>>80762127
>He doesn't even get bruised fighting Zod.
Yes but he did get severely weakened when he took out the world engine. Had he not been in view of the sun who knows what would have happened to him.
>>80762127
>Criminal negligence doesn't exist?
>Negligent homicide doesn't exist?
>Accidental manslaughter doesn't exist?
>Reckless endangerment doesn't exist?
Yes all if the perpetrator knew his actions could be dangerous and did them anyway, their was ZERO reason for Clark to think his actions would lead to danger.
>>80760524
You know they only did that because of how how much shit MoS got.
>>80762148
For your comparison to work what you should be asking at the end is "Is it my fault". not "Is it my mother's fault".
Because in this metaphor you're Clark, not Jor-El.
>>80752273
>Who thought that'd be a good idea?
the retards that thought man of steel was a good movie
>>80762194
>Still, it sucks from a directorial standpoint, to take one of the most competent, ethically raised heroes in modern fiction, and gut his backstory to replace all the morality his adoptive family instilled him with shallow jesus imagery.
You not liking it does not make it suck or a invalid path to take some of us fucking love seeing contrasting versions of character whos origins are reversed.
It simply means the product WAS NOT MADE FOR YOU AS ITS TARGET AUDIENCE, that does not make it a bad product.
And the Jesus Imagery was only in 2 scenes you exaggeration faggot.
>>80762196
No the dark realistic world the film is set in would not allow him to preform absurdity for the sake of bright campy silly feel good bullshit.
If the lead is not challenged and can do anything and everything then their is zero point in the films struggle and situation.
>>80762211
>. Had he not been in view of the sun who knows what would have happened to him.
Nothing, because Zod was still out there.
>Yes all if the perpetrator knew his actions could be dangerous and did them anyway
Uh no. You can be charged and convicted of a crime without foreknowledge of consequence. Crimes don't NEED malice aforethought to be considered crimes. That's why accidental manslaughter is a thing that exists. Clark isn't MORALLY responsible for Zod's actions. But in a strictly legal sense, he *is* CRIMINALLY responsible.
Not to mention there's no actual way to prove that Clark didn't know that activating a billion year old space ship would be dangerous. I mean hell, for the entire movie to work he's already got to be paranoid and assuming the worst case scenario in almost every OTHER scene. Why's this one suddenly different?
>>80762243
Zod kills large numbers of Human beings apart of his adopted race.
So my parents stand in for the people Zod kills with the World Engine.
>>80762281
Dude, this is a blockbuster cape movie, the "target audience" is "possibly everyone that enjoys capes and action movies so we can make our money back"
>>80762321
I knew it was you. i fucking knew that if I just waited long enough you'd fall back onto your old cliched line.
>>80762375
>Nothing, because Zod was still out there.
Yes but if the sun rays had not healed him he would never have been able to get up and face Zod.
>>80762375
>Clark isn't MORALLY responsible for Zod's actions. But in a strictly legal sense, he *is* CRIMINALLY responsible.
Fine... but stop treating him like the bad guy.
If he is not morally responsible then he is not the bad guy.
>>80762375
>I mean hell, for the entire movie to work he's already got to be paranoid and assuming the worst case scenario in almost every OTHER scene. Why's this one suddenly different?
Because the Military would find the ship and tear it apart for decades and do god knows what with the tech so this was the lesser of 2 evils.
>>80762005
>Yes and the Superman Returns Superman had 12 years of training
Okay look at the second line of my last post.
>In universe im sure there are reasons people can explain away this but Snyder kinda tossed aside an opportunity
I'm aware this is a starting out superman. that isn't my point. I'm not dogging on the character as if he were real. I'm saying it was a dumb choice not to have him making attempts to save people.
You do not need 12 years of training to be put into a situation by a writer and director where instead of just punching the other guy you can be allowed to help innocent bystanders too.
It wouldnt require much. a couple of seconds dedicated to those moments in that entire huge fucking destruction festival.
>>80761614
I'm counting 9 fampai
>>80762404
True but it was definitely not for people who can not attacept any version of Superman that is not the Reeves version or a mary sue written version like yourself.
>>80762411
You just proved me right tho.
You said "The world would've allowed it" when the entire point of the film was that his potential be squandered in part by tragedy.
>>80762395
That doesn't actually change what I said at all. You changed the subjects at the end of your metaphor.
I'll explain it step by step. The argument is that Clark (A) led Zod (B) to Earth (C). Zod (B) killed People (D).
Clark (A)is to blame. Or
A + B + C = Dead D, A's Fault.
Now in >>80761822 you say
>ONCE AGAIN, if I buy a new car, the former owner sees it, follows me home and kills my adopted parents is it my mother fucking fault?
You say "Is it my mother's fault (D) if she gets killed by the previous owner of a car (B), that I (A) bought followed me home (C)
Or
A + B + C = D's Dead, D's Fault.
Do you see how the metaphor falls apart because of your subject change? You're not asking if it's YOUR/CLARK'S fault, you're asking if it's your Mother's/Civilians fault. Just stow your mad for thirty seconds and say you made a typo man. The more you try and force this broken math the dumber it looks.
>>80762375
>But in a strictly legal sense, he *is* CRIMINALLY responsible.
except he isn't. He turned on a thing that alerted aliens to the things location.
In what way would that render him criminally responsible in any fashion?
>>80762524
So once again your just mad the creator did not cater to what you wanted, you not actually giving valid reasons why they did something wrong on a film making and story telling point of view.
>>80762607
>True but it was definitely not for people who can not attacept any version of Superman that is not the Reeves version or a mary sue written version like yourself.
Grow the fuck up >>80762411
>>80762281
>If you don't like this movie, it's not made for you.
Well now we are having a problem, since this movie was made with the intention of mass market appeal specifically targeting men between the ages of 13 and 35 who have been reading comic books and enjoy Superman. I happen to fall squarely into that demographic. This film was written, edited, and sold with an eye towards my preferences and tastes, as determined by a shrewd team of marketers.
But it didn't satisfy.
And what the fuck do you mean by "Contrasting versions of a character whose origins are reversed"? Wouldn't that be Red Son Superman? What we got was a Superman whose origin was the same, "last son of krypton, rocket to Kansas, adopted by farmers", but from there the movie completely fucked it over, with Pa Kent telling Superman to do nothing, and then segueing right into a jesus imagery lecture about how special he is. So special he shouldn't save a bus full of kids, apparently. So special he shouldn't take six steps over to pull his father out of the path of a tornado.... Biggest waste of Pa Kent ever.
And so we get "No! Don't be special you magnificent Jesus figure!" the movie. Where Superman has had to repress and conceal his special talents at the behest of his domineering parents so that he wouldn't be the chosen one who they all thought he could be. And as a result goes into battle against an initially weaker (but more skilled) foe with no training.
>>80762607
>You said "The world would've allowed it" when the entire point of the film was that his potential be squandered in part by tragedy.
Yeah, and as has been made abundantly clear you don't even know what other people are saying so you can't argue with them effectively. You've created your own little autistic headcanon and you're so wed to that that you can't even debate the actual argument.
The thing is, and I cannot believe you can't realize this even though it's been explained dozens of times., we don't actually get any proof that the human race would shit its pants if Clark was the one to steer the narrative. We get a movie where ZOD is the one that makes the first impression and we're told that's the only way it could've gone and people can't turst Superman. And to that I say, no shit they can't. Because Zod made the first impression. The movie is set up in such a way that Clark has to fail, but there's nothing IN NARRATIVE that supports it. Just metatextual writer's desire.
>>80762608
>You say "Is it my mother's fault
Jesus christ.
NO I said. Its MY mother fucking fault NOT My mother's fault.
>>80762608
dude. The guy said 'is it my mother fucking fault' not 'is it my motherS fucking fault'.
Dude did you seriously do all that stupid faggy math shit because you were unable to grasp that the guy used the term 'motherfucker'?
That's adorable.
>>80762660
>And what the fuck do you mean by "Contrasting versions of a character whose origins are reversed"
This guy shows up in every DCCU thread. He just strings weasel words together until people get tired of arguing with him.
>>80762775
Oh, whelp, i guess i'll just ignore that then. Still, at least i got >>80756769 out of this thread, so it's not a complete waste.
>>80762725
>>80762754
For fuck's sake man motherfucking is one word. Who the fuck puts a space there?!
>>80762660
>since this movie was made with the intention of mass market appeal specifically targeting men between the ages of 13 and 35 who have been reading comic books and enjoy Superman
Yes but it clearly was not meant for people that do not want to see Superman fail and be inperfect.
> but from there the movie completely fucked it over, with Pa Kent telling Superman to do nothing, and then segueing right into a jesus imagery lecture about how special he is. So special he shouldn't save a bus full of kids, apparently. So special he shouldn't take six steps over to pull his father out of the path of a tornado.... Biggest waste of Pa Kent ever.
No it was not a waste at all, THE POINT was to give us a cynical realistic Pa Kent that is not a naive idiot.
He told him to do nothing RIGHT NOW, because he was not ready to fulfill his potential and him being revealed would cause far more harm then good.
>>80762868
>Yes but it clearly was not meant for people that do not want to see Superman fail and be inperfect.
People are okay with >>80762411
Stop being a cunt and pretending otherwise just because they hated a poorly written movie.
Is this thread the personification of autism?
>>80762646
Not that other guy you said that two.
And what they did wrong was presenting a super hero who is supposed to be a beacon of hope meant to save humanity (they have Jor-El say about as much) who is then put into a situation where he does nothing but fight the bad guy while the city around him crumbles and people die.
If you set up that theme, that idea of Superman as a fucking savior, then have the climax (not just some scene, this is the films culminating endpoint) be several minutes of shit getting wrecked with nothing touching upon all the shit they kept Supes dad around as a hologram man for half the movie for you are pissing on your own theme. That isn't my personal tastes. That is the film putting forth a grand action scene over the message it was earlier trying to put forth.
>>80762476
>Because the Military would find the ship and tear it apart for decades and do god knows what with the tech so this was the lesser of 2 evils.
Yeah, gosh. They might have cured cancer or colonized mars with that technology! Good thing Clark was there to stop them!
And that's assuming they could turn anything on. Remember that the only reason Clark was able to do anything was because he had a key to the ship. They wouldn't have had one, nor would they have had the ability to make one since it was made from elements not found on earth.
>>80762845
HAHA dude... Just stow your mad for thirty seconds and say you made a reading mistake man.
>>80762845
Huh, is it really?
>Google Motherfucking: 404,000 results
>Google Mother Fucking: 59,300,000 results
I can understand your usage, but it does seem to be in a slight minority status..
>>80762708
Yes you have explained that many times, you still haven't explained WHY it is a bad thing and why it is bad writing.
>we don't actually get any proof that the human race would shit its pants if Clark was the one to steer the narrative
Why do we need proof its a perfectly logical assumption.
Muslims and Africans have committed genocide over far smaller things then the existence of a being that semi proves their god does not exist.
We already got a Superman series that has Superman steering the ship bringing hope and trust, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG with giving us a version that starts his career off badly with fear and paranoia? EXPLAIN!
>>80762908
BUT WHAT IF THE POINT WAS TO PISS OVER THAT MESSAGE!
What if the entire point was that message is a unrealistic fantasy that events of the film prove to be absurd and that we have to do the best we can and not expect being able to inact perfection.
>>80762965
>Yeah, gosh. They might have cured cancer or colonized mars with that technology! Good thing Clark was there to stop them!
Or they would have just made more weapons, the military are not in the Business of curing sickness.
What the flying fuck is going on in this thread, we get some BvS spoilers and you fuckers are bitching about the semantics of MoS again? Jesus! Try talking about this>>80761608
or anything else. But who am I kidding? This board will eventually become /tv/ eventually anyway
>>80763014
>you still haven't explained WHY it is a bad thing and why it is bad writing.
Let's say you write an essay for school. You start out with your thesis sentence. If your essay doesn't prove that thesis by your conclusion, you get an F. A well structured narrative runs on the same rules. If you present a concept, you have to then follow through on that concept by film's conclusion, or the narrative hasn't been structured or written well. That's just the way that quality of writing is judged.
If the thesis is that humanity will shit its pants when they discover mankind existed, we're not supposed to ASSUME it. We're not supposed to take it for granted. The movie has to SHOW it or it didn't happen. Narratives don't work an assumption system, just by what is presented to the audience.
And it's entirely possible to present humanity's reaction to alien existence in a narrative. Birthright did it. Independence Day did it. Hell, M. Night Shymalan's Signs did it. Are we really going to say that Signs was better on showcasing its premise than Man of Steel?
Similarly, if you frame your narrative on "This character will bring hope" and all he's brought by the end is fear. You have not lived up to that framing. The two are counteracting each other.
This is so day one and basic writing technique stuff that I'm not sure how to explain it in simpler terms. There's no metaphors for something so blatantly fundamental.
Again, you love harping on about how much you love the idea that this movie is DIFFERENT and it's great because it's DIFFERENT and people only dislike it because it's DIFFERENT. And that's fucking bullshit. I LOVE DIFFERENT TOO.
WHEN WRITTEN WELL.
>>80762868
>Yes but it clearly was not meant for people that do not want to see Superman fail and be inperfect.
Hitman #5 is one of the best written pieces of Superman lore in the last 50 years. Superman does both those things and it's the driving narrative of the story. Amazing Superman, perfectly written, perfect tone, perfect characterization. Fight me.
It's fine for superman to fail. It's fine for him to be imperfect.
But he has to also be Superman. Defender of truth, justice, etc.
In this movie, we got... Well, it wasn't Superman. Superman wouldn't impale a guy's truck on two telephone poles. That's immature and spiteful. Not two qualities I ascribe to superman, at any point in his life. Also: Cowardice, not a trait you see in superman... but this movie had him run away and work on an oil rig... I think? I dunno, the timelines get kinda fuzzy during the flash back / flash forward / flash back bits of the movie when he has a beard.
>Cynical realistic Pa Kent
>Not a naive idiot
If he was so realistic, then why did he let himself get killed, when his invincible, flying, super-fast, super-strong son was right there, in spitting distance?
'cause, I'm a really realistic person and quite cynical too, and, y'know, I would happily compromise in the face of total annihilation. Especially over a dog.
>>80763093
You are now stating that the point of the film was to piss on the themes it itself set up at numerous points within the movie. That he was simply designing it so a theme could be subverted rather than having an empty fluff over the top action romp (because god knows, snyder would never put one of those in his film) be the climax of his film.
Yeah sure. We all just got fooled here by the subtlety of his direction and Goyers nuanced writing.
You can't save everyone. You're not Superman, you know.
>>80763130
>the military are not in the Business of curing sickness.
Actually they kind of are. Because you have to keep your soldiers healthy and fighting strong overseas with their foreign bacteria.
The syphilis vaccine, for example, was a result of doctors at a US Marine Hospital.
See, in serious science fiction stories (the kind you love claiming Man of Steel is kin to), the scout ship is what's known as a "singularity". A hypothetical event (in this case, coming across advanced technology) that would have a runaway transformative effect for human civilization.
And while yes, this can end up being a negative thing (if your story is using the resultant technolgoy as some kind of social commentary as is often the case in cyberpunk) it is just as often if not more often positive because it represents a net gain for humanity.
But hey, that's just the genre at work.
>>80763093
>BUT WHAT IF THE POINT WAS TO PISS OVER THAT MESSAGE!
Then you telegraph it or subvert halfway through the narrative, not from second one.
>>80763314
A better question is, if Pa Kent is so cynical and realistic, why is Clark going to public school at all? I'm pretty sure I could find some kinds in Kansas that are home schooled for waaaaaaay less than "I have to hide the fact that my son's an alien"
Especially since, if you remember, the scene with Clark saving bus happened AFTER he had a super power freak out in the middle of a crowded classroom.
>>80763284
But Pa Kent does not have to be proven right in his concerns for him to have been right in worrying about it.
>>80763284
>If the thesis is that humanity will shit its pants when they discover mankind existed, we're not supposed to ASSUME it. We're not supposed to take it for granted. The movie has to SHOW it or it didn't happen. Narratives don't work an assumption system, just by what is presented to the audience.
I am not talking about US the audience assuming, I am discussing it from Pa Kents point of view.
>Similarly, if you frame your narrative on "This character will bring hope" and all he's brought by the end is fear. You have not lived up to that framing. The two are counteracting each other.
Your still not listening to me.
What if the point of the film was to be a cautionary lesson for Clark to teach him, that he is not a perfect savior yet. What if the point of the film is to set him in motion to start working towards his potential but not get their YET.
>>80763567
Pa Kent isn't that dumb to home school an alien.
The bus incident was very bad luck.
>>80763616
Clark had a super power panic attack in the middle of class and even had his first instance of heat vision on school grounds.
He could've killed someone. That would've been bad luck.
To have him then in the general population, where he not only can accidentally hurt someone if more weird and unexpected powers show up, but easily get discovered, is absolutely dumb.
But we're supposed to ignore it.
>>80763595
First off, if we're talking about Pa Kent's point of view; he takes a lot of actions that run counter to his supposed paranoia. Which is poor writing because character actions should support their motivations. Second, if Pa Kent is right, the movie needs to show it, yes. But it ALSO needs to show it if he's been proven wrong. It doesn't actually do either. It just says "This is what will happen" and then doesn't do anything with it.
>What if the point of the film was to be a cautionary lesson for Clark to teach him, that he is not a perfect savior yet.
Then you make that your premise and make it clear that he won't be able to do it yet. They didn't frame it effectively.
>>80763314
>Well, it wasn't Superman. Superman wouldn't impale a guy's truck on two telephone poles. That's immature and spiteful. Not two qualities I ascribe to superman, at any point in his life.
If Superman was a real person who has real emotions then yes Its extremely realistic that he would experience moments of such.
>Also: Cowardice, not a trait you see in superman...
Maintaining self control for the greater good of thousands of lives is not cowardice.
>but this movie had him run away and work on an oil rig...
No he was working as fisherman, he went and rescued the oil rig workers.
>If he was so realistic, then why did he let himself get killed, when his invincible, flying, super-fast, super-strong son was right there, in spitting distance?
'cause, I'm a really realistic person and quite cynical too, and, y'know, I would happily compromise in the face of total annihilation. Especially over a dog.
1.) It had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fucking dog.
2.) Your compromise would put your son and thousands of other lives in danger.
>>80763850
>he takes a lot of actions that run counter to his supposed paranoia
Only taking the ship metal to the metallurgist.
>>80763850
>They didn't frame it effectively.
In your opinion, its clear and effective as day to me.
what
>Man of Steel was such a disaster they're "killing off" Superman
BRAVO SNYDER
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>>80764328
>>80764460
>Guy lying on the ground
>HE'S DEAD GUISE
Retards
>>80764328
Good.
>>80764328
>>80764460
Hey /tv/ shitposters, either youre intentionally leaving out that tiny bit of info that follows on purpose or youre really that stupid to believe that
>Batman v superman is hero vs hero
>civil war rips it off
>Hero with shield at the end of trailer
>civil war rips it off
>Big character dies
>civil war rips it off
>>80759732
It's the best superhero movie of the year, anon. Literally all the problems of Man of Steel are gone now, Gal Godot is perfect for the role of Wonder Woman after all. Eisenberg sells Luthor completely and doesn't come across at all like he does in the trailers, and the movie manages to balance all the elements it introduces, while generating hype for Justice League.
>>80758578
This would be cool. It'll never happen in this or any of the films by Hack Snyder.
>>80764660
>Dark Knight Rises has a big character die
>BvS rips it off
>>80763414
If she only knew
>>80756769
Every god damned MoS thread.
>>80752273
the people not dead because Superman stopped Zod
>>80764122
you're just fuckin with us now aren't you
>>80756479
Most of the city is fine before Zod and Superman start fighting. After that happens a fucking satellite gets brought down on the city.
This movie had moments, but it wasn't very good.
Most people are ignoring the fact that Superman could have taken the battle away from the city when fighting Zod.
>>80765828
no they aren't and no he couldn'tand yes, I know I'm taking the bait
>>80765992
All Superman had to do was run away and fly somewhere else and Zod would have followed, he was only interested in killing him.
>>80765992
>>80766043
Shit man, evenGokufought guys in the middle of nowhere.
why does batman all of a sudden have a futuristic/ knightmare vision? it just seems so fucking stupid.
>>80766043
Dude...zod says early on in the fight 'I'm going to make them suffer, Kal. These humans you've adopted, I will take them all from you one by one.'
Do you really think Superman is just gonna fly the fuck off hoping Zod follows him instead of cutting the city apart with lasers and ripping everyone apart.
>>80766316
anon, no. I was strong enough to resist the bait, let's not let this thread devolve into another shit thread.
>>80766316
Why is that so hard gor ppl to understand. Zod was beyond reaching. He couldnt be talked down. He was gonna kill everyone.
That last svene proved Zod would willing kill ppl just to force Supes to do something drastic.
