Is anyone excited for Disney's Moana when it comes out at the end of this year? Just the concept of Oceania and a fantasy film instantly have my attention since Pacific Islanders especially love their folk tales of spirits, demons and especially the night sky.
I probably sound biased since I was born in Papua New Guinea. oh well
>>79735920
I know nothing of these cultures or folk tales, but I think it looks cool too. And Disney Animation Studio has been doing very well recently.
>>79736197
I honestly thought the zootopia 3d would be attocious but it looks absolutely god tier. I'm actually so happy they're doing the 3d thing and pushing the boundries of new animation techniques
TRIGGERED!
Postin' Jin Kim because he's great
>>79736238
>>79735920
I actual am a bit excitebike about it if for no other reason than I have no idea about these cultures and it mite b cool.
For all the bitching about NEEDING diversity there doesn't seem to be much push to create material based on often ignored areas of the world. Just that we need more token brown people.
I mean there's a student videogame at my school and it's got a black Greek goddess. If you wanted a black person, just fucking make a game that uses African mythology. But nobody seems to bother learning enough to do that.
Looks like beach jews
/r/ing B^U edit
>>79736220
Sometimes I suspect that most of the veteran staff from Pixar got into Disney Animation Studio; leaving only juniors and left-overs at Pixar.
>>79736298
I don't know. Remember when people were talking about Frozen being too white? I remember hearing a lot of people say that they should have drawn from African folk tales. Those people are out there. Not everyone just wants tokenism.
Regardless, I agree that this looks interesting.
>>79736298
Seconding this;
I enjoy drawing webcomics about mythology on my free time. I do enjoy putting "diversity" in it in the sense that I like reading about folklore from all over the world and writing about it, but simply changing a character's skin color just feels so goddamn shallow to me.
If all "diversity" means to you is different shades of Brown in the cast you're ignoring the diversity of cultures these people come from
This movie looks great too, the Pacific Islands are even more under-used as a basis for a fantasy setting than Africa .
>>79736352
What's with that wonky Y?
>>79735920
Don't know if want. She is seems too thick for me to obsess over her.
>>79736362
>I don't know. Remember when people were talking about Frozen being too white?
Wasn't that because they didn't animate black people in medieval Norway or wherever Frozen is supposed to be?
Sorta like the Witcher 3 bullshit about not having brown people in 13th century Poland
The guy looks absolutely ridiculous.
I'm sure the scenery will be gorgeous, though.
>>79736352
>Tfw Ididn't even like Finding Nemo that much
I respect it as a technological advancement in computer animation, but I think the movie itself is boring as fuck.
>>79736197
>I know nothing of these cultures or folk tales
>>79736298
>I have no idea about these cultures
Okay, you see that big motherfucker there in the OP? The one that Rock "The Dwayne" Johnson is voicing? That's Maui. His fish-hook can catch anything, but he's a terrible fisherman anyways because he prefers to do things like fish up the ground from under the water to make islands.
Maui is pretty much the folk hero of Polynesian mythology.
>>79736197
Basically Bionicle - robots.
>>79736419
>but he's a terrible fisherman anyways because he prefers to do things like fish up the ground from under the water to make islands.
That sounds awesome
>>79736440
Once, when the sky got too low and made it so people couldn't stand up enough to do anything, he laid down and powerlifted it back up with some help from his dad.
Another time, the sun was moving too fast and the days were so short, so he climbs up the tallest mountain and catches the sun using some rope made from his sister's hair. He restrains it until it begs for its life and promises to make the days long again.
>>79736440
He also beat up the sun because it was too fast but that was in Maori myth, I think in Hawaiian he just restrains it.
>>79736440
Polynesian Paul Bunyan/Hercules/Amaterasu etc.
>>79736539
Monkey King!
>>79735920
Sounds interesting. Sadly i'll probably be dead by then.
>>79736403
Same. It's got quotes but nothing really happens.
>>79736570
Sorry to hear that, anon.
>>79736521
>He also beat up the sun because it was too fast but that was in Maori myth, I think in Hawaiian he just restrains it.
Yeah, Maori, Tahitian, Samoan, Hawaiian...they all have variations on the same myths. If any fa/tg/uys are here, I always wanted a good Polynesian pantheon in Scion.
>>79736515
Damn, teaching the heavens who's boss
Inb4 people get mad the guy is big and the female is relatively petite
>>79736695
If I took off those tattoos, would he die?
>>79736298
Lol my parents are still butthurt at why China couldn't make a film as good as "Mulan"
>>79736695
The guy is a god or demigod or something. The girl is more believably proportioned than the other CG princesses. Do you just like getting mad at imaginary complaints?
>>79736362
It's always nice that this entertainment giant is willing to dabble in lots of different things desu but honestly idgaf at what colour I see on the screen. It's entertainment. SJW should learn to shut up and enjoy the piece of shit
>>79736403
this desu.
>>79736570
wat
>>79735920
inb4 she turns into an animal for most of the movie.
>>79736765
>Imaginary complaints
How long have you been on the Internet? Tumblr will be ablaze with complaints when the film comes out.
>>79736819
4chan's image of tumblr is different than tumblr itself. I've seen nothing but good things on there about it.
Sure, SOMEONE will complain. With a large enough userbase everything will happen. But it won't be "ablaze".
>>79736885
>>79736819
People just like to yell "it's happening!" all the time.
Tumblr will probably get on it's knees and suck this movie's dick no matter how good or bad it is because it has brown people and the female lead will probably be stronk and independent while being silly and quirky.
>>79735920
I like their designs but the exaggerated dimorphism makes me think of draenei.
>>79736765
He's sorta correct. There will be some people who get mad. A very small amount, but they seem larger because they're very vocal and stupid
Sorta like tiny dogs.I'll remind you people got upset over Lava, the Pixar tribute to Israel Kamakawiwo'ole. Never underestimate how fucking dumb people can be
All I want to see is Maui's massive demicock snapping Moana like a wishbone.
>>79736728
it would be extremely painful
>>79737403
CRASHING THIS CANOE
>>79736378
>Sorta like the Witcher 3 bullshit about not having brown people in 13th century Poland
Pole here, actually Poland was a very diverse place for centuries, unfortunately African-Americans were not invented yet, and those diversity warriors don't care about any other cultures, so they probably wouldn't know who the Janissaries were, for example.
About the movie, I actually know some Polynesian legends and am excited for this movie ever since I heard Disney is making a movie with the GODDAMN MAUI in it. Oh, and some bitch as well, hope she doesn't interfere with him being FUCKING AWESOME
>>79736553
>Monkey King!
Yes, a trickster archetype, that's why I like him so much, probably.
>>79735920
>Fat Brown Girl
Probably this will end up like another Brave. Will Watch once and probably forget it in the next week.
>>79737680
dude
thats a dude
>>79736440
And those islands were the North & South Islands of New Zealand AKA Aotearoa.
>>79736619
Fa/tg/uy here, I think it's been discussed in the past when alternate construct types came up because someone wanted a tiki construct. The problem is not enough people know Pacific Islander mythos, which is a shame because it's got a lot of good stuff. For example a Hawaiian myth is the old Hawaiian kings and their followers will sometimes march down from the mountains at night. If you were to see the glow of this event you had to drop to the ground and not look upon them, for anything showing disrespect would be found cut down including trees that dared to stand taller then the mighty kings.
>>79735920
Not really, I'm waiting for the tiki gods pics.
Either they will be like the trolls in frozen or like musu from mulan
>>79736371
>the Pacific Islands are even more under-used as a basis for a fantasy setting than Africa .
It's probably the biggest reason why I'll most likely see this even though I'm not a big fan of modern-day Disney.
The only other setting like it I can think of is Bionicle, and I loved the shit out of Bionicle.
>>79737680
you are an idiot
what diverysity checkboxes has disney left unchecked?
if theyre on islanders i think theyre pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point
>>79738991
Not every story has to focus on white people
>>79738991
who cares
look past the color of your shitskin and judge it off of visual and story alone
Not really. I'm 99% sure it will flop.
>>79736238
>>79736244
I hate seeing concept art for modern Disney movies because it makes me wish that Disney stopped the CGshit and went back to SUPERIOR TWO DIMENSIONAL ANIMATION.
>>79739462
Same here.
I got really upset when I saw the concept art for Big Hero 6, for example.
When they put it at the end it was like a gut-punch. A reminder of the cool 2D comic book movie that might have happened in a better time.
Aw yeah another brown waifu to adore.
>>79737594
Yeah, in my (admittedly limited) experience, Polish people tend to be pretty diverse.
>>79735920
Right now I'm at "mite b gud" stage of excitement - not hyped, but cautiously optimistic. Oceania is not exactly a thing you see a lot of in movies. And I like the look of it.
>>79735920
I'm pretty excited not only for the mythology, but they have a great crew working on it. Clements and Musker directing and writing along with Taika Waitit and Lin Manuel Miranda writing the lyrics. Moana's VA has a cute voice too from what I've heard so far, and the actor formerly known as The Rock is always a fun time.
Plus, it looks like it's going to be gorgeous.
>>79739573
She looks way too much like my older sister, so I can't waifu her.
>>79736298
Yeah, exactly. I really hate tokenism, and I dislike this idea of blackwashing characters for absolutely no other reason than "diversity". The world is FULL of folk tales to adapt, so instead of remaining Eurocentric but at the same time insisting that white culture's folk tales are revamped to artificially include a diverse, ethnic cast cosplaying as fake-euro royalty, I'd much rather see stuff that actually originates from other cultures, with a naturally ethnic cast since it's their legends and their folk tales. It's more interesting that way, too.
Like take Africa, for example. From what I understand they have a really rich folktale tradition, full of adventures with witches and talking animals and clever women who save their village or whatever. Great material. But instead of pushing for their own stories to be told, black people (from the US) seem to be pushing for white stories to be told, just with artificially black characters. "Oh, this ancient nordic god is totally black now!" Why not lift your own ancient gods to the spotlight instead?
So, I'm actually excited for Moana, because I look forward to seeing some stories and bits of legend from that part of the world, even if it's disneyfied. Definitely going to see it in theatres
>>79736819
Most of tumblr is porn artists, who will be making rule 34.
>>79735920
>movie performs above average
>Tumblr folk start drawing every Disney character as samoan with tribal tattoos
You heard it here first
>>79735920
Anyone have thelossedit for this pic?
>>79738390
My man. I hope that we get some kind of generation inspired by Bionicle and get more island fantasy/sci fi.
Y'Know, just without all the weird flaws that Bionicle had.
I was slightly interested but Lin-Manuel Miranda doing the music has be HYPE
>>79741279
My penis is alright with this.
>>79740084
To play the devil's advocate here, Rome did displace a lot of people.
>>79735920
Huge, oafish Obelix-like sidekick looks incredibly predictable, and he's so much more cartoony that the contrast is jarring.
I mean, it's appealing to see Obelix alongside the similarly exaggerated Asterix, but since "Obelix" here has a much more realistic pal, it's actually hard to look at him after I've looked at her—he registers as fugly deformed.
>>79741519
Just a matter of time, I think. After all, the kids who grew up with Bionicle are now approaching the age where they can start to get into the business.
There's even currently a "reboot"/G2 that's dialed back the Farshtey weirdness quite a bit. It's definitely more of a throwback to the earlier stuff. That said, there are some differences like:
>fathers and sons actually being a thing
>way more mentioning of stuff associated with death (skeletons, tombs, etc.)
I kind of like it, it gives me more of a tribal-ish vibe.
The downside is that there's a lot less worldbuilding so far.
I'm staying optimistic, though. There's even going to be a Netflix miniseries.
>>79741736
Yeah, I saw stuff about the reboot. Gotta catch up sometime and see if it's worth it.
I didn't even exactly MIND the Farshtey weirdness sometimes, it's just that every once in a while he took things way too far. You could kind of tell he was using Bionicle as an excuse to cram in genres/ideas that he never got to put in works he wanted to write himself but never took off. Lots of donut steel-type OCs as well. Sometimes they were fun, but sometimes they were pretty annoying.Nuparu is best guy.
>>79741736
I stopped caring around Metru Nui. I didn't feel the Bionicle city vibe.
Which is ironic because I fucking love it when Transformers are on Cybertron.
>>79741973
I actually stuck with it all the way through. Metru Nui was actually pretty interesting to me. They should have toned things down a bit, but I liked the idea of a lost city and the Matoran having a fall from grace that led to their tribal lifestyle.
>>79740084
>Why not lift your own ancient gods to the spotlight instead?
Black people in the US don't really have ancient gods. There's no way for them to know what their heritage was like before their ancestors came to America, and the American education system and entertainment media don't popularize African folklore at all, so they wouldn't feel any cultural connection to African folktales unless they or a specific group they belonged to sought them out out of personal interest.
For that matter, white Americans don't have all that much more connection with European fairytales, considering many Americans are genetic mixes of multiple nationalities that they similarly are not well educated about. The main difference is that at least those fairytales have been popularized in the US and taken a cultural foothold. Yet even then, it's mostly more specifically German stories (Grimm) with a dash of other European stuff that has taken root, and are valued by plenty of Americans aren't descended from those particular cultures at all.
>>79739357
That's what they said about Frozen.
>>79742090
there's Anansi if they need a folklore element, fucker has a shit ton of legends.
But nobody uses him, instead opting for washing out white characters.
>>79742090
Wishbone gave me a connection to Anansi and The Odyssey when I was like eight.
Kids shows are the entry point, not the niche.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nb0OiQXUKrg
>>79740084
>black people (from the US) seem to be pushing for white stories to be told, just with artificially black characters
That's not black people, that's white SJWs with white guilt.
>>79741736
>>79741801
>>79742051
Mata Nui being a giant robot was always part of the plan though.
>>79742090
>>79740084
>there are people in this thread who haven't heard of Kirikou and the Sorceress, Azur and Asmar and Tales of the Night
Then again, we are talking about a Disney movie so I don't know what I'd expect from posters here.
>>79741733
With the possible exception of this guy.
>>79742487
I know that. We're talking about all of the other random shit that was thrown into the mix.
Christian Faber =/= Greg Farshtey
>>79742493
Hey, I like Michel Ocelot but I thought we were talking about normies here.
>>79735920
>>79742678
We are. That's why I mentioned *some* people.
Again, it's a Disney thread.
I'm sure there are people who know better, but when talking about entry-level /co/ stuff, you've got to assume there are entry-level posters who think that Disney and Dreamworks are the only animation studios that matter in the world.
>>79735920
Nope. Don't like Disney Princess Shit. Much less when its obvious Tokenism Princess Shit by Disney. Fuck this forgettable agenda pushing trash.
Disney is already bad enough with their Gynocentrism.
>>79742744
thanks senpai
>>79742744
is it a whole story he has tatto. probly about what the whole movie is gonna be about ?
>>79742487
Yeah that I know, but thing definitely went off the rails after a few generations of storytelling. I didn't even mind the off-the-railsness, but it hurt the story as a whole sometimes.
I'm just mad we never got better explanations of the Great Beings and the Red Star and stuff. I would've loved to explore Bota Magna.
>>79742493
We were talking of Disney and Americans and the Americans' demands on their own storytelling industry. Kirikou at least is a French production
>>79742090
>There's no way for them to know what their heritage was like before their ancestors came to America
Are they illiterate? Unable to use google?
>>79743894
don't be stupid
You're unable to track slaves because most of them didn't have registers or lost their names once they got to America.
>>79736695
He's a tank though. She's built af compared to other girls. So anyone who complains has no sense of perspective.
>>79743894
>Are they illiterate
Yes, sometimes. You'd be surprised that illiteracy is still a huge problem in America
>Unable to use Google?
Yes, sometimes. Computer access is still a luxury to some people.
Not to mention sometimes this cultural starvation makes people apathetic to their roots, or stigmatized if the do decide to pursue them.
>>79743844
I know.
I'm just of the opinion that Americans could use a few pointers from Europeans on how to do stuff like this, since Europe doesn't really give a fuck about SJWs bitching about the movies they make.
>>79738390
Out of curiosity, what era of Disney do you prefer and why?
>>79743962
>>79743966
Also, this. You hit the nail on the head. When Africans talk about their heritage being stolen and erased, they often mean it pretty literally.
>>79740084
This. When people keep calling for established characters (mostly from comic books) to be protrayed live by actors of a different ethnicity, it makes absolutely no sense. We need less cookie cutter characters, not to racewash the existing ones.
>>79736419
>>79736515
Holy shit that sounds fucking awesome.
I'm gonna read everything I can about this shit.
>>79742468
That dog is probably dead by now.
>>79743894
You, uh, you don't know much about the history of black america, do you? I'm seriously hoping you're just not american otherwise you are fucking stupid.
>>79735920
That 'Attitude' pose really bugs me.
At least they're not standing back to back I suppose...
Looking forward more to Gigantic
>>79743966
I forgot the name of the movie I was watching in a film class but we had this whole discussion about how the children on immigrants tend to first reject learning anything about their culture because (US) society teaches mixed race and non-white people to feel ostracized/ashamed for their roots. Often times this deeply hurts the parents who feel like who they are is a cause of embarrassment for their children. Thus, in order to conform, the children adopt US ideals, & the parents don't teach anything about their culture. It isn't until the children become old enough to realize that this is bullshit or aspects of their culture become a mew fashion statement by white people that they run back to their parents, hungry to know everything that they missed. By then, they're really only learning a small portion.
>>79744711
Yep. It's damn hard belonging to a different heritage than the majority.
>>79744074
Well, a lot of it's based on which Disney movies I saw as a kid, I'll admit it.
But I'd still say that on the whole, I prefer the older stuff more (to be nitpicky, Golden Age up until right before the "Dark Age"). There's an element of sincerity and love of the craft that I just don't see in modern Disney. Not to mention the lack of awareness, either of itself or its audience. Nothing about "muh racism" or "think of the kids". There was still a willingness to explore new territory.
Even in so-called "bad" movies like The Aristocats, there was at least some character lent to it. There was a specific tone to each movie, and they were all distinct from each other.
I was astounded when as a little kid, I saw the special features on the, let's say, Bambi VHS tape, and there was this whole thing about how they animated a single drop of water. Or when I saw how people animated on cels.
Now I'm not saying that 90's/Renaissance era movies are total shit, either. But they receive a lot more attention on the whole than they deserve (and I blame Tumblr and "90's kids". Especially since a lot of them share the same overall tone.
This is even more so the case with Pixar, in my opinon. (Let me put it this way: WALL-E is by far my favorite.)
Yes, I'm one of those people who go "muh 2D". I hate that Frozen and Big Hero 6 were in CGI and think they would have been much better hand-drawn or at least tradigitally animated.
Since this is a long-ass post I'll just stop here. You should probably know where I'm coming from by now.
>>79744874
I dig it. Nice commentary, anon.
>>79743727
Based on the images I think the story will be about losing something or someone.
>>79735920
>Nu Dreamworks-lite Disney.
I don't think so Tim. The only animated film I'm looking forward to is Kubo and The Seven Strings. Everything else can kiss my ass.
>>79745354
>Kubo and The Seven Strings
How's that doing, by the way? I only saw a little bit about it a while ago.
Also, I'm looking forward to Cuphead this year.
Technically, it's vidya but it's probably the only animated thing to come out recently that's entirely hand-drawn on physical cels.
>>79745464
new Cuphead ? tell me more anon
>>79742744
i love this one
>>79745464
everytime i see something cuphead related, i start to hear peper steak from the off soundtrack
>>79746500
I don't know what you mean by "new"...
>>79744485
You'd be surprised how close that is to how some titas stand here in the islands.
Movie about based Polynesians? I'll buy one ticket please.
Whom would you anal? The ugly lesbo or the fat landwhale?
>>79737594
I'm not quite sure you know what Jannisaries were, either.
They were slave soldiers recruited by kidnapping young Christian boys from their families within the Ottoman Empire.
Poland was never part of the Ottoman Empire.
>>79740084
>Why not lift your own ancient gods to the spotlight instead?
Because studios often don't want to produce those kinds of movies, since they believe that they won't sell.
I feel like the Hawaiian theme has been beat to death. But I can only name 2 movies that where in theaters with it.
