>comics everyone loves but you
It's like Planetary except worse and half of its praise comes from the fact that it's written like a DC comic with some actual respect for character history
>>79698117
>It's like Planetary except worse
I'm not seeing the parallels.
The Brubaker/Fraction stuff was dope.
These are mine
>>79698145
The pulp elements are very similar
>>79698117
Batman by Snyder/Capullo. It's not awful, but I cannot wrap my head around all the fucking praise it's getting, as if it wasn't a 6/10 book that followed the best Batman run in twenty years (Gmozz, obviously). I'm sure there are curmudgeonly contrarians lurking on /co/ who will back me up, but most everybody thinks Snyder's the greatest Batman writer to ever walk the earth and it rustles the fuck outta my jimmies.
>>79698117
>that it's written like a DC comic
Huh?
This shit bored me to death
>>79698283
It's been consistently great, and super accessible, for 5 years running, how can you NOT love him? Snyder writes a well rounded Morrison inspired Batman instead of the shitty rude brood dude we've been getting for decades, the Court of Owls was a wonderful addition to the mythos, Zero Year was colorful and fun.
The writing was insipid and I just didn't get the appeal of wanting to read a comic about a superhero on his off days. Not to mention how what's her face started slowly taking over the title in typical Marvel fashion.
>>79698283
It's for casuals. Everyone knows this.
>>79698117
planetary but worse is still pretty damn good
>>79698421
You have to be a super casual if you think the quality of work SnyderPullo have been putting into a Batman monthly is the norm.
>>79698403
>I just didn't get the appeal of wanting to read a comic about a superhero on his off days
Seeing what heroes do on their down time is one of my fucking favorite things in these types of settings. I do think Fraction's Hawkeye is a little overhyped though.
>>79698581
You're right about Capullo. You're wrong about Snyder.
>>79698375
>super accessible
I'll give you that it's accessible, which is a big strength of the book that obviously doesn't matter to a longtime nerd like me. But that's true.
>for 5 years running
This is also a strength. I love me some consistent creative teams with long-ass runs.
>Court of Owls was a wonderful addition to the mythos
Eh, it bored the fuck out of me. It's the most hackneyed "secret society that's been manipulating shit FOR CENTURIES!!1!!" plot ever. It's cool if other people dig it, but I thought it was lame.
>Zero Year was colorful and fun
Zero Year had some great ideas (feral Gotham, Riddler as dictator, Dirtbike Batman), but slipped up with me in big ways. The Riddler has been long in need of a proper revitalization, and I wanted this to be it, but it wasn't. It was the same old played-out shtick. They couldn't even be bothered to update the costume! Also, the "game of wits" between Batman and Riddler (or between Batman and any other villain) are so stupid. Morrison (full disclosure: as I'm sure you've guessed, I'm a huge Morrison apologist/fanboy) made ridiculous riddles and codes seem actually connected in elaborate logic puzzles. Snyder just has characters shout obscure Wikipedia factoids at each other, as if making the exact same ridiculous jump in logic as the other guy is the same as being ten steps ahead of everyone.
>was colorful
Oh hell yes. Best part of the book by far are those tasty, tasty colors. Coloring on the book is top notch, has been from the start. I'm 100% in agreement on how dope the coloring job from FCO has been.
Also, I know you didn't bring it up, but Snyder can't write the Joker for shit. Morrison writes the Joker better than anyone. DC editorial deserves a tiny bit of the blame, though, because they neutered Snyder's clumsy sexual innuendo in the Joker's dialogue to protect the kiddies (of course, who was it that introduced the psychosexual drama to the Batman/Joker relationship? Oh yeah...).
>>79698767
>they neutered Snyder's clumsy sexual innuendo in the Joker's dialogue to protect the kiddies
Can someone elaborate / get specific on this?
>>79699046
The original issues had Joker calling Batman "Darling" a lot and making quasi-gay comments. A bunch of that shit got removed in the trade.
>>79698403
Fraction pisses me off. Casanova is one of my favorite comics of all time, but almost every single other thing he's done is utter shit (not even just his marvel stuff)
>>79698117
Same goes for Y The Last Man and pretty much every other book this guy has done.
>>79698767
I also HATE his Slashfick Joker, and absolutely love Morrison's run, even going on Absolutes and whatnot.
Court of Owls had a supernatural/horror bend to it that I really liked, also harkening back to a more well rounded Morrison inspired Batman with some Golden Age flavour, and solidified the idea that Gotham City is corrupt to the core, absolving Batman of all the "he's just another loon and part of the problem" schitck I'm really tired of, while it's true that secret societies are kinda played out, I think it was better as a long running addition by an order of magnitude than the Black Glove or the Religion of Crime.
Zero Year was flat out fucking amazing, Riddler reboots always flounder, given by all the times he went psycho or got a stupid mohawk haircut, Zero Year had a RIDDLER ass Riddler done right and interesting, it's the best he's been since being a PI.
Overall I love how Snyder writes a meaty, history heavy Batman while still keeping it accessible to all my casual friends, which as much as I love Morrison, is undeniably super important to such a flagship title (not to mention the early proper Batman title run pales in comparsion to B&R or Batman Inc).
I've borrowed my trades and had NOT MUH BATS Nolanfans loving colorful Zero Year, horror inspired Court of Owls, Justice League member Batgod on Endgame...
And let's not kid ourselves and pretend EVERY Batman writer is Morrison caliber, most guys are content to make a SUPER EDGY YOU WON'T MISS THIS ONE retooling of a C-lister villain, get in a crossover and a lame joker story.
>>79698372
you are objectively bad at reading comics
>>79699322
I totally agree with you on Saga, but Y and Ex Machina are the shit
>>79699325
>harkening back to literally the run immediately previous
that's my main issue with it
Practically everything Morrison has ever written that isn't We3.
I never got the Hellboy love, sure it's ok and Mignola can DRAW but otherwise eh
>>79699406
u wot m8
>>79699406
>>79699475
>>79699499
Dude just makes my eyes roll. Hell, I have the feeling I only enjoyed We3 because of Quitely.
>>79699322
I'm really not a fan of anything BKV has done, Y is especially overrated to me. My one exception is Saga just because I love the art and think some of the ideas are pretty cool. Not a popular opinion on /co/
the x-men in general. Claremont's new mutants was enjoyable.
>>79699405
Well don't you want Morrison's more holistic Batman to be solidified as THE Batman? Before Morrison guys were "harkening back to literally the run immediately previous" too, only it was a simpler and less interesting take, which has already been t thoroughly explored for 20+ years.
>>79699566
b-b-but quitely did All-Star Supes and Flex Mentallo and the last issue of the Invisibles and stuff...did you not like those?
>>79699566
So All-Star Superman, Pax Americana, Flex Mentallo, New X-men, and Batman and Robin are...?
>>79699674
>>79699708
I liked New X-Men well enough. The others not really. Or Animal Man, or Multiversity.
I haven't read his JLA and it's on my list.
>>79699798
JLA is pretty different from his usual output
Ms Marvel. I actually quite like Kamala and think her whole thing is cool but I absolutely cannot stand the feminism wank that Wilson inserts with the subtlety of a brick to the face. The part where the brother had the talk with Bruno was great and made me really like the guy. His speech when he is affected by the mist stuff and clobbers evil crush made me drop the series until Wilson leaves which I expect to be no time soon
>>79700264
that speech when he gets powers was great, you're meant to see him as an asshole
there were even some very handy illustrations to clue you in to this
Practically everything past the Stan Lee run, aside from a couple 6 issue arcs, and some of Ultimate.
He's important as a launchpad for hyper-humanized superhero characters but his shtick gets really old really fast.
He's the Beatles of comic book IPs, because of the hype it seems amazing and one-of-a-kind when you're young and inexperienced enough, then the more well versed you become in the medium the more you realize it's insultingly average.
Byrne X-Men was kinda disappointing but everything post Brood Saga is great and always improving.Bill S New Mutants is maybe the height tbhfam
Azarello's Hellblazer.
Fraction Hawkeye
Morrison JLA
sandman
Anything by Alan Moore that isn't Watchmen.
I didn't care for Captain Britain or Swamp Thing. V for Vendetta would have been good if you could actually differentiate the politicians and their wives (it's the artist's as opposed to Moore's fault but still makes the book way less enjoyable).
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is trash as is From Hell.
The Killing Joke is one of the most overrated Batman stories (the only good part is the interaction between Batman and Joker at the end).
Also, why do all of Alan Moore's stories need rape? He's as bad as the writers of the Game of Thrones TV series.
Fraction/Aja Hawkeye. It's only readable because of Aja and even then it's still very skippable. Lemire's Hawkeye's better.
>>79699826
it's the only one that I liked
besides 1,000,000 and 3d
Morrison isn't that great anon
sorry to burst your bubble
>>79703293
he's pretty great
just because you don't like his shtick doesn't mean he doesn't have a very good understanding of comic crafting
>>79701984
depends on your entry point. mine was 80s spectacular... can't even read lee
>>79699566
You're not the only one. Once you realize his shtik he becomes a very predictable writer.
This thread is everything wrong with /co/.
You guys are 20% fans and 80% haters, and it's even worse because you seek validation so desperately, circlejerk with those who share the same opinions and attack those who don't.
You are all faggots, have a nice day.
>>79703403
Thanks for the thread bump, enjoy your waifus and MCU!
>>79703431
>strawman
>not so subtle passive agressive conpany wars
Too low, even for this thread.
You only confirm what I said in my first post.
>>79703509
Nah, bro. You're just a faggot.
>>79703648
Take a step back, and think for once.
>>79703403
>>79703509
>>79703667
You're a fucking idiot. This thread is literally
>comics everyone loves but you
and people are posting like the one or two comics that get a lot of talk that they didn't enjoy. Anons in this thread could have literally 99.9% the exact same taste as you and you came into the thread devoted to discussing that last 0.1% and you're sperging at everyone.
>>79703281
>League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is trash as is From Hell.
Except for this I agree with what you said about V and Killing Joke. But you don't like Tom Strong or Top Ten?
>>79703281
>Didn't care for Swamp Thing
Can I ask why? I've rarely heard anyone say negative things about the run, I'm just curious as to your reasoning.
>>79703899
I'm a big Moore fanboy, but Tom Strong sucked. Some of the backups (not written by Moore) were cool, but the main ABC stories were lame attempts to recapture golden-age magic through pure harnessed nostalgia. Weak.
Fashion Beast was also pretty stupid, but it was drawn from a movie script he did in the 80s so I'll give it a pass
>>79703281
TKJ is made by the coloring
>>79699406
thisthisthisthis but switch out We3 forDoom Patrol.
>>79699475
Wasn't even a fucking Animal Man comic. It was 4th Wall Man. The same protagonist from EVERY fucking Morrison comic. Literally every other Animal Man writer was better (except Milligan).
All star Superman
>>79704022
what do you think about the recolor? It sucks IMO
>tfw no rainbow babies
>>79698265
That.... that's completely superficial resemblance! Planetary was deconstructing pulp shit, Iron Fist meanwhile did a pulpy throwback martial arts book with mysticism on the side.
>>79703281
>I didn't care for Captain Britain or Swamp Thing.
ffffffffffffffffffffff
>>79704067
The recolor changes it from a pretty excellent comic to Batman Vs. Joker Story #192410928
really goes to show how important coloring can be
>>79704077
Oh quit talking out of your ass. Everything is a "deconstruction" and a "throwback" when it comes to pulp stories.
I don't like Saga, or the works of Brian K. Vaughn. Before you say no one likes it, every other website on the internet does so shut up. It has the same problems as Kirkman books. Shit gets threaded so much and the soap operatics feel cheap and forced and this shit is gonna run for 200 issues probably and its already stale
Most everything by Ed Brubaker. Look I love Gotham Central, his Catwoman run. and Sleeper was great, but his noir books are, to quote a user above, "insultingly average". Once you've studied the noir genre, you realize Brubaker isn't so much good at noir as he is at using the tropes exceedingly well. none of his works are good enough to be called a classic within the genre nor do they break the rules and reinvent anything
>>79703281
>why do all of Alan Moore's stories need rape
I just read through his Supreme and there's a British invasion writer who writes not-superman and constantly mocks older comic conventions and inserts edgy shit into the comic he writes, including rape. While I disagree about Moore's quality of output it's pretty hypocritical for him to attack people who write edgy capes when he literally wrote the book on it.
>>79698403
It's a story about the Hawkeyes. Clint is a mess and Kate's trying to make her mark on the world. It's perfect street and an homage to some of the best films of the 70s.
>>79698283
It's not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it's pretty entertaining more often than not. I can see it being popular, just not one of the greatest runs of all time, which it is not. People who say that are just people who have not read enough of Batman.
>>79698403
My main issue with Fraction's Hawkeye is that it portrays Clint as a complete Z-list loser. Now, I don't mind the idea of capes doing mundane shit and over-exaggerating the absurdity a la Venture Bros, but Fraction just took Clint's inability to do anything right so far it became almost a parody of itself and made it ridiculous even to consider Clint as competent enough that his day job is in the Avengers. And the overall story was completely boring, uplifted by Aja's art.
>>79698117
ms marvel
everybody raves about this shit pile. the dialogue was so bad I had to check if bendis was involved.
>>79704208
Moore at least had some sort of purpose to including edge
His imitators saw how successful Watchmen was and thought it was because of the edge instead of the actual quality of the comic
>>79698375
Court of Owls was okay. Bruce's reaction was interesting, but the super secret society has been done and it's implausible that it's been going on under Bruce's nose this entire time.
>>79704156
I liked Brubaker's noir stuff with Sean Phillips but then I read Darwyn Cooke's Parker and learned what the big boys can do
>>79704247
>Moore at least had some sort of purpose to including edge
That's fair, his use of rape is Watchmen is way more mature and meaningful than almost anything Millar has written
>>79704299
>Darwyn Cooke's Richard Starks' Parker
>>79703281
>Also, why do all of Alan Moore's stories need rape? He's as bad as the writers of the Game of Thrones TV series.
The worst is his Lovecraftian stories.
"The books describe these horrors as incomprehensible monsters who's very existence can drive you mad, how can I possibly make that work in a comic? I've got it, rape"
I still don't know why people cried over this. I've come to accept that I'm too much of pleb to "get" Grant Morrison's brand of genius.
Boo hoo, cute animals made to do evil human stuff, animal death, so deep, so sad.
>>79704372
that's more about Moore devolving into a parody of himself as time went on
>>79704372
Well, Nemo: Heart of Ice did the "drive you mad" thing really well, so there's that. Neonomicon was a monster rape porn comic without the balls to be an actual monster rape porn comic, though. I haven't read Providence but I'm expecting it's more of the same
>>79704299
the best noir comics stuff I've read probably has to be from Will Eisner. No one does it quite like he does. Sandman Mystery Theatre by Matt Wagner and Guy Davis is pretty good too. Anything drawn by Francesco Francavilla is worth it solely for the artwork (I found his black beetle to have an average story but gorgeous art)
>>79703900
I'm not even saying Swamp Thing is bad, I just didn't care for it.
>>79703899
The book is way too rapey.
>>79704208
That's cause Alan Moore is incredibly jealous of Morrison because Morrison doesn't need to add rape to his stories.
>>79703985
>but Tom Strong sucked.
Mugga, I will fight you!
>>79704149
No it fucking isn't. Immortal Iron Fist played it straight, while Planetary was very much deconstructing fiction in general, pulps was just one of the things it concentrated on because pulps gave birth to comics and superheroes and those concepts were inherent part of the bigger story.
>>79704474
I know, I know, I'm the only one who didn't like Tom Strong.
>>79704324
His use of rape is Watchmen is probably the only time Moore has used rape with any level of maturity though.
>>79704433
That's great, but it's a shitty story and a super shitty Lovecraftian story. At that point just make up your own thing.
>>79704390
We3 has the least to "get" of any Morrison work. Really it's Quietly's book more than Morrison's. The story is bare bones but that's all it needs to be. It's a showcase for crazy awesome art and fights. Probably his "plebbest" work but it's still incredibly well crafted and a lot of people cry at cute animals dying in general.
>>79704299
>but then I read Darwyn Cooke's Parker and learned what the big boys can do
Adapt superior literary noir fiction into more digestible sized comics?
>>79704390
This one isn't really all that complicated. Most of the "genius" comes from how the comic is designed and put together; it isn't a particularly deep or nuanced narrative.
And people reacting more emotionally to animal deaths has been a thing since forever.
I have zero interest in the Hypercrisis. Especially Seven Soldiers, the Bat Epic, and Final Crisis
I don't hate all of Morrison's work though
>>79704492
I'd argue that the rape in LOEG was well handled. SpecificallyHyde's rape of the Invisible Manshit was chilling and equal parts fucked up and satisfying
>>79704597
also poetic justice
I don't think Lemire's Green Arrow is all that great.
1.) it's light on actual characterization for Ollie. Ollie basically reads like a Hawkeye clone here, and never exhibits any of the traits that made him compelling in the first place
2.) It's purely an ideas book. It's like a Geoff Johns comic without the proper execution Johns has. The reinventions of Count Vertigo and Richard Dragon? The Outsiders? Giving Ollie a rogues gallery in form of the Longbow Hunters? All fantastic ideas with mediocre execution that leave no lasting impression. The rogues gallery doesn't feel organized like it should, Vertigo and Dragon have the barest of characters, and the Outsiders are barely interconnected in the way that mad the rainbow corps so impressionable
3. The lack of internal continuity throughout the runs (not really a lemire problem, but a whole new 52 GA problem. No one uses the same characters save for Emiko or Fyff. None of it feels like the same book)
just fucking stick johns on this shit and let him work his magic
>>79704597
>>79704617
>just fucking stick Johns on this shit
we really need to clone him
Any of Jodorowsky's work. It's just feels so pompous. And his Dune sounds awful
>>79704653
The pompousness is what makes it awesome. I cannot sit through his movies, but Jodo's comics are my jam
>>79704597
Fine. He's done rape "well" more than once.
But League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is way too rapey in general. The fact that one of the many rapes worked well in that book is the same as saying a stopped watch is right twice a day.
I also read All Star Superman several times, and I still can't understand how so many consider it one of the best Superman comics ever made.
I really wish I could understand what I'm missing with this one. I don't think it's innovative and I couldn't find it fun or entertaining.
I wish someone would explain what makes this the prime rib of Superman comics.
>>79704492
To me, the fish rape in Neonomicon is one of the best usages of the comic medium with the way it gives you a chilling and creepy sense what rape is like from the victim's pov. The fact that the girl had bad eyesight and couldn't see shit at first just intensified it immensely.
>>79704617
also personal gripe should have kept robert queen alive. a hero with a dad who is alive would have been an interesting fucking dynamic. we could have even gotten an archer family.
robert, GA, roy, emiko, and shado
>>79704691
I just really like the art
>>79704691
It's (ideally) synthesizing the batshit hackery of silver age superman stories into an imaginative and touching new vision. Also the art is dope.
>>79704673
It all feels like if you gave an an artist absolute freedom and it's like "this is what you came up with? You have all this freedom, and this is what you want to make?"
>>79704653
I liked Incal but that was probably because of Moebius
Metabarons is a slog
Omega Men
>>79704685
>But League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is way too rapey in general.
Repressed sexuality and misogyny was a big thing in Victorian England. Thematically it makes sense for there to be rape.
>>79698117
>half of its praise comes from the fact that it's written like a DC comic with some actual respect for character history
I'm not seeing the problem
>>79704743
Metabarons must be savored a tiny bit at a time. Don't try to chew through it fast.
>>79704697
No, it's really bad.
>>79704732
I'll add that it tackles those Silver Age stories with no irony or camp, just like Thunderworld from Multiversity
>>79704691
How much Superman have you read and from which eras? ASS is beloved in part because it manages to synthesize basically his entire history into a giant, one might almost call it defining, last story of Superman. It's inspirational, gorgeously illustrated, fun, insightful to the characters and core themes, and delivers to many all the beats they would want from a Superman story.
>>79704697
The blurry first couple panels were creepy, and then there was like a whole issue of monster rape and it was just dumb
>>79704156
What's some good comic noir, if you don't mind me asking? I enjoyed Criminal, but I'll freely admit that I haven't read enough noir to know what's a cut above the rest.
>>79704691
It's really just a perfect representation of "realized hero" Superman. It's got a nice little idea of "Superman by way of Zarathustra," but again, not particularly dense.
I think a lot of people in this thread aren't realizing that /co/'s exaggeration works both ways. The books they hate are obviously not as bad as the people bitching about them say they are, but the good works aren't always intellectual esoterica either.
I'm too tired to argue why so I'm just gonna drop names like a mad cunt.
> Batman Year One
> A Serious House on Serious Earth
> All Star Superman
> Snyder's Run on Swamp Thing
>>79704820
My favorite is100 Bullets
>>79704834
I'm tired too, so I'll save the arguing.
>wrong
>wrong
>wrong
>right
>>79704754
I should elaborate that I am not a Kylefag.
>>79704820
Kickback
Blue Estate
The Creep
100 Bullets
Fatale, Noir with ancient horrors
Criminal Macabre, Noir with regular monsters
>>79704813
But that was about developing the Stockholm's syndrome with the victim.
>>79704820
Will Eisner's stuff on the Spirit
Sandman Mystery Theatre by Matt Wagner and Guy Davis its 70 issues + a 5 issue mini following the golden age sandman wesley dodds. Even has a weird proto-jsa
I like anything illustrated by Francesco Francavilla, if solely for the art. mostly buy stories featuring his stuff to look at the art
>>79704907
Yeah, I get it, but it was still dumb.
>>79704922
also reccing 100 bullets, but its more straight up crime than noir imo
>>79704820
Jonny Double is amazing
>>79704907
With a fish monster that's the child of an eldritch horror? That doesn't seem dumb even a little bit?
>>79704804
I'll be honest, not much. The majority of Supes stuff I've read is 90s onward, outside Superdickery covers.
That being said, the biggest fans in my experience have been people who don't normally read Superman, who thought of him as a boring boy scout. "I always hated Superman because he's a boring do-gooder with no personality, but I love All-Star!" is how I've often seen it described. I never thought he was boring, so I assumed I'd be even more open to it.
>>79704820
Not exactly noir (more just crime) but Stray Bullets is godly
>>79704985
ASS (heh heh heh still makes me laugh) draws mostly from the incredibly dumb but kind of awesome stories that went with the superdickery covers
>>79704863
I'm glad we had this debate.
>>79705077
me too.
>>79704974
But that's what makes it so good. The fish monster goes from being a rapey and evil, malevolent entity to something far more benign.
>>79705101
>he's actually a nice rapist
Dude do not get me wrong I legitimately admire your ability to find quality in the second half of Neonomicon, but for me it remains painfully dumb
>>79705101
That's dumb anon, it's a dumb book and Alan Moore should feel bad for making it.
All the space shit killed this book
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Punisher MAX in general was overrated, but Born was especially bad.
>>79705131
I saw it more as the Lovecraftian monsters being completely beyond human morality, hence why the rape from the monster's perspective isn't malicious, it just wants to breed and the woman kind of starts to see that as the story nears the end of it.
>>79705231
I have to go to bed, my salt levels are getting dangerously high
>>79705231
I agree. Also flipside of this, I liked Frankencastle and everyone else thinks it's trash.
>>79705245
I get that, I do, I just think it's not a particularly scary or interesting story. I see where you're coming from, though
>>79705101
Aren't lovecraftian horrors supposed to NOT be benign? Fish rapes girl, girl falls in love with fish does not make a good story, just bad porn
>>79705305
One could argue that exact subversion is what makes it so interesting.
>>79704985
they just say that because it's the only Superman story they've ever read
>>79698403
I don't really get it either, for the most part I felt like Clint lost some of his competence in this series. It bugged the fuck out of me.
>>79705339
One could also argue that subverting expectations of delivering a good story by delivering a lame story is a dumb thing to do
>>79705245
That's so dumb. For one thing it is supposed to be a Deep One which are highly intelligent and human like. Two, most Deep Ones back in the 20s were already hybrids which means that Deep One was probably a human at some point. Alan just wanted to write a rape.
>>79699406
We3 is the one Morrison thing I've read that I don't like. I don't even really mind Happy that much.
>>79704834
> A Serious House on Serious Earth
I feel that its impact on Batman comics is undeniable and essential to the great stuff we see today. I also agree that it's not a good comic on its own. I can't exactly put my finger on why Batman's character in the story was so irritating, but I kept thinking "fanfic Batman" while reading it.
>>79705437
Wow, Happy is the only Morrison book I really have to admit sucks
Most of Warren Ellis' output
that being said I love Transmetropolitan, Doom 2099, The Authority, Planetary and currently Injection
can't stand anything else by him really
>>79703281
I see you've made the mistake that comics are works of grand literature.....
feel free to kill yourself at any time.
>>79705461
>I can't exactly put my finger on why Batman's character in the story was so irritating, but I kept thinking "fanfic Batman" while reading it.
It really wasn't much of an actual narrative so much as it was a jumbling of assorted ideas, written with the sole purpose to show that superheroes can be deep and "adult." Not that I disagree with the claim, but it's hardly a good example of Morrison's craft.
>Batman blatantly spelling out his internal struggle in the second panel
>>79704755
>Repressed sexuality and misogyny was a big thing in...
It has been a big thing throughout human history, including modern history. Does that mean every story which is marginally historical should have lots of rape?
>>79705491
You should really say that to Moore.
>>79705591
But Victorian England is especially well remembered for that. Not every historical story needs to include rape, but if it fits the story then there should be no problems including rape, especially if you use it to examine cultural shifts in its attitude towards rape, etc.
>>79705643
That's all kind of a myth. Victorian England was a lot more sexually liberated. HG Wells had a publicly open marriage.
Ultimate Spider-Man.
Typical Bendis padding and dialogue, godawful villain characterizations, plot points that either go absolutely nowhere or appear out of nowhere with no foreshadowing whatsoever because it's apparent Bendis cannot into long-term planning.
>>79698403
I like cape comics with the more human side to the characters, but I couldn't stomach this.
It was too boring and something about the writing is so damn smug, it pisses me off.
>>79705732
Yet you still had shit like treating women for "hysteria." And completely misogynistic attitude towards women and sexuality, where the police in one documented case immediately dismissed a rape allegation made by a maid simply after they discovered that earlier she had, iirc by request, sung a dirty song for a group of people at a party, and was thus a loose women who could not be forced to coitus against her will.
Semi-complaint.
I can't stand Matteo Lolli on Marvel Adventures.
His art is too messy to, although that might just be shitty coloring. Point is, before him I enjoyed the book.
>>79699429
It's paranormal pulpy shit, but it's pulpy shit done incredibly well.
- Character development is very rewarding and well done
- Monster variety is absolutely massive, grounded in real-world folklore and ranges from minor shit like Wendigos to full-blown Lovecraftian monstrosities
- Plotting and continuity is extremely tight despite there being like twenty different spin-offs and fifty shades of weird shit taking place. Almost every single existing plot element/aspect can be meaningfully connected to any other plot element.
-BPRD provides a pretty unique comic book perspective where the world basically ends twice over and for all the minor victories, it becomes clear they're not winning in the grand scheme of things.
I'll admit too much of Hellboy's stuff leans on Hellboy going OH CRAP, getting his shit kicked in and then dishing out the punches until he wins, but the rest of Mignolauniverse as a whole just feels like a supernatural shared-Marvel/DC universe that doesn't get riddled with stupid crossovers and plotholes or get completely derailed a year in by retard writers.
>>79699429
It gets better once Mignola gets few stories into the series. Initially it is pretty generic and dull
>>79699406
Speaking of which, We3 is awful.
So is Pride of Baghdad, for that matter.
Both are mediocre social commentary with talking animals and gore. I don't get the love for either.
>>79698117
I just realized, Lemire's Green Arrow and this are literally the same comic.
>>79705437
>>79705467
I don't really get how Happy gets this much hate. It's just a simple Christmas story.
>>79705482
Explain why you didn't like Fell.
>>79708470
the art on Fell is really good but like Warren Ellis and detective fiction just doesn't work imo. I read his novels, crooked little vein and gun machine, and both try way too hard to be shocking and different and that extends to Fell as well.
>>79708459
It's too Garth Ennis for Morrison fans?
>>79698117
I like it but it's overrated. Towards the ending the art gets shitty and it's a poor conclusion for the arc. And then there's stuff set up for the future and the creative team abandons ship.
>>79698287
He means good
>>79698283
THIS
Man, one of the biggest comic book sites here on Brazil, Omelete(it's for normies, and it's not actually focused on comic books) made an entire video about how Snyder's run was the BEST COMIC BOOK EVER, and i just wanted to fucking vomit
Snyder can write, and Capullo's art is truly amazing, but fuck if it's not the most mediocre thing ever
>>79709554
No, I love Ennis. But Happy is Morrison doing a subpar Ennis imitation.
>>79698231
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
>>79702979
nobody loves that
andrea sorrentino
he's a hack and traces his own work a lot and people praise him for it
Spider-Man and X-Men comics, give it a try like every 2 years and always predictably mediocre.
Transmetropolitan. It feels too juvenile, like an adolescent angry teen's attempt at writing political satire.
>>79698283
Majority of people on /co/ don't love it. I think it's good, but overrated as fuck by normies.
>>79704433
Providence is actually pretty good in terms of keeping it close to the source material. The only real rape that's happened so far is whenthe protagonist's mind is switched into the Asenath Waite-analogue's body
>>79707821
This
>>79698375
It's good, but not really consistent. I like the high points, but Snyder does something stupid in the end or somewhere else to spoil the arc. Also it's quite monotonous. I like it due to Capullo and FCO's art.
The Authority.
Pretty much anything published before the mid 80s
>>79710475
Yeah, Snyder in general CANNOT stick the landing with his arcs, in almost everything he does. Look at Rotworld.
American Vampire, thankfully, seems to be the one exception, but even that's gone a bit squiffy recently. Thank god for Albuquerque art.
>>79705101
That doesn't make it good
I like Grant Morrison but I don't really get his Batman run. Granted, I've only read Batman RIP and Batman and Robin so maybe I'm not seeing his grand story. Or maybe it's too high concept for me
>>79698283
I think basically every other arc has been good. His Joker is trash, but Zero Year and Superheavy are quite fun. It's the art and coloring that really makes me keep coming back.
His writing just makes me roll my eyes every fucking time. Narration box after narration box, filled with stupid historical trivia and explanations into what Gotham means as a city and how it inspires the citizens and blah blah fucking blah.
>>79711041
Are you me?
I read this the other day and I don't get the hype. The first half is just an asshole being obtuse and acting clever without doing or saying anything actually interesting. The second half gets better but still isn't good.
>>79711245
JIMMIES RUSTLED
Dok Sleepless is my jam.
>>79711287
>thread is "comics everyone likes but me"
>gets pissy that someone has a different opinion
Jesus Christ, /co/
>>79711039
You actually need to read Batman and son and Black glove to get it, unless you've already counted it in RIP.
>>79705388
Chuck Palahniuk built his career on that.
>>79708459
It was his first indie comic after working for DC for so long, so I guess people expected something...bigger?
>>79711245
>asshole being obtuse and acting clever without doing or saying anything actually interesting
Welcome to Warren Ellis.
Saga, a comic for edgelords.
>>79712783
What? How?
>>79698117
>some actual respect for character history
So....you don't like that?
ok
>>79712880
Didn't say it actually did a good job of it, I'm saying people just like it for trying
>>79712869
>"blow it in my twat"
>dragons sucking themselves off with sauce
>edgy dialogue with cool ways of cursing
>>79703281
Damn, are you me?
>>79712773
I'm usually an Ellisfag, hell I even enjoyed Blackgas and his Thor but nothing about Doktor Sleepless really interested me
>>79713174
Saga is so tame. Crossed is a comic for edgelords. Neonomicon is a comic for edgelords. Faust is a comic for edgelords.
Saga is a comic for bloggers who think a little sex and some swearing is TOO CRAZY.
