Is it rape if the women readers/creators projecting themselves on the assaulted character want it?
I want to make a BL webcomic and I want to explain to any potential SJW readers that I make the victim guy say no and then fall in the love with his rapist because he's my tool to project myself into and get loved by the sexy hunk that the rapist is, whom I love dearly and by whom I want to get ravished by since that makes my vagina wet and hot and happy. IRL I love ravishment roleplay, with my bf forcing pleasure on me while I pretend I don't want it. I am not sure I should call that rape or not. Pic thematically related.
>while I pretend I don't want it
*at first
>>79650127
>I want to explain to any potential SJW readers
That's a shame because they don't complain to communicate with you. They're not willing to hear you out. They're just looking for an easy target to essentially bully.
Just make your thing and try your best not to engage their nonsense. Maybe publish under a replaceable username in case the dark stars align and things go south for you.
>>79650127
they're both men, right? no one is going to care
>>79650488
OP here. Yes they're both males, that's much more pleasing visually plus I'd get at least a little bit jealous of a female character.
>>79650127
>I want to explain to any potential SJW readers
Well then you've already lost and it's rape.
Do not give them the slightest shred of credibility. If you can, avoid engaging them entirely. If you can't do that for some reason-- And you fucking *can* 99% of the time-- then shit on them consistently enough to make it clear that their bullshit is falling on deaf ears.
>>79650521
Well considering most SJWs believe men can't be raped, you should be well on your way to making all that filthy yaoi fangirl money.
>>79650521
then you have nothing to worry about unless you make one of them take up "stereotypical female gender roles" no sjw is going to have a problem with it
>>79650127
Yes its still rape but thats why there are such things as rape fantasies.
It's not rape is the rapist is an Arab refugee.
>>79650579
Is it rape if you want it?
A fictional character doesn't have feelings... the author does, and the author wants it.
Just put a rape trigger warning on it. They'll never read it them.
>>79650622
If I steal your stuff, but you wanted to give it to me anyway, it's still theft.
>>79650626
That will attract the opposite crowd that reads gore and rape manga and will whine why is it all sweet and romantic where's my trauma, horror and mindbreak.
Most SJWs are like you and want to be raped, because females are fucked up. So most of them will be fapping along with you.
>>79650648
Except the authorities will not prosecute you for it because I will defend you and force them to accept no crime has been made on my part and it will end there. I do not tolerate my will being ignored and authorities MUST respect my will too or THEY are the ones committing a crime against me. SJWs are self-appointed authorities who do not listen to the will of others.
Generally speaking, don't do it. This is bullshit.
You wouldn't fall in love with someone who just raped you out of left field.
If you want to make it make sense, I don't know, make sure your character is in love with future rapist and is trying to seduce him, but is too shy or repressed to say it outright.
But it's still pretty silly.
Or just make it serious drama about Stockholm syndrome so nobody would guess you get off of it.
But what do I know, I'm a guy. My port depicts sluts who consent at slightest provocation.
>>79650127
If the assaulted character says no, it's rape.
>>79650734
You're a guy, you don't understand women's fantasies. It's not bullshit, it's what turns me on.
>make sure your character is in love with future rapist and is trying to seduce him, but is too shy or repressed to say it outright
That's what I plan to make happen at a later stage of the story, as it's progressing. The first step must still be made by the assaulter though, because that's what I like. I like it when the man takes initiative, I don't like taking initiative myself.
>serious drama about Stockholm syndrome
Ew, no. I want something to create something that gives me a happy dream and masturbate to and what you suggest does neither.
>My port depicts sluts who consent at slightest provocation
That's a typical guy fantasy... I'm not interested in that, I'm a proud person and I want the man to sweat and toil chasing me before I give in.
>>79650775
So it's fair to say he wants to be raped.
>>79650828
I know, women are so lazy they want men even to consent for them.
>>79650844
It's plausible deniability.
>I'm a slut, but technically I was raped so I'm not really a slut
>>79650845
And men are so lazy they want women to throw themselves at them even though they have nothing to offer.
>>79650844
Perhaps at some point I should make him say something like that out loud. "Yeah you raped me and I fucking loved it, rape me again! Fuck me hard!" Hot sweet rapey sex ensues.
>>79650127
No, it wouldn't be rape. It would be a depiction of rape.
Beyond that, who cares? You've made it crystal clear why you want to make this: because it's a fantasy of yours. You're not trying to use it to actually change the real world; in the absence of that, why would you need to justify your fantasy?
(Unless justifying your fantasy IS your fantasy in which case we're in Oglaf territory and I'm outta here)
>>79651030
>why would you need to justify your fantasy?
Have you ever interacted with a SJW?
>>79651064
Why would you bother? Just mock them. It's a lot easier, and if you do it consistently enough they end up fucking off and bitterly grumbling in their own little corner of the internet. Do you think Michael Poe has to deal with SJWs when he doesn't want to?
>>79651064
Like I said: why would you ever need to justify your fantasy? If someone demands you do, complying won't save you.
The people who would demand you do nigh-on-always aren't actually interested in your justification; they're just trying to dominate you in a way I'm reasonably sure OP isn't into. So deal with them via your preferred method of dealing with bullies.
It's fictional.
You're reading a comic thinking it's some kind of horrific rape story (even though the sex is depicted in a markedly erotic way and not in a horrific way) and you come across this.
Was it rape, or is the character just a horny slut for the "rapist"?
>>79651487
I'd go for something more like "You didn't rape me! You took me by surprise but I really fucking loved it! I want you to do it again!"
>tfw tumblr would scream STOCKHOOOOLM SYNDROOOOME when my character really means it
>>79651064
>interacted
>SJW
There's your problem.
OP is a 100% genuine woman wanting advice and totally not a man with issues who made the same thread a day or two ago.
OP, why do women's fetishes bother you so much that you keep making threads like this?
>>79650458
>That's a shame because they don't complain to communicate with you. They're not willing to hear you out. They're just looking for an easy target to essentially bully.
This, really.
>>79650699
That's not how the law works. SOME things are reliant upon the victim to press charges. If you get into a fist fight with someone, you could have any charges dropped, because, hey, maybe you deserved it.
But a lot of things just can't be dropped like that, because the authorities realise that people can be intimidated, forced, or simply threatened into saying that nothing happened.
That being said, excusing the 'It's a depiction of rape' as anon said, it'd still be rape if you, as a creator, get off on it, but your character does not want to have sex with that person. Your character was raped, but you enjoyed it. This is like arguing that my character isn't murdered, because I wanted them to be killed.Though this seems like OP just wants to bitch about SJW's and their rape fetish
>>79650127
SJWs love teh yaoiz rape.
>>79651938
This is the kind of attitude that would get some poor woman raped and some poor guy in jail. Because he thought she's playing hard to get.
>>79654474
>But a lot of things just can't be dropped like that
You're talking about fictional characters. Things that don't exist except as the author's creation. They cannot be "intimidated, forced, or simply threatened into saying that nothing happened," because they DON'T EXIST. They're inanimate objects and abstract concepts, they don't have a life and will of their own. They only exist as ideas in someone's mind, they're not people.
>but your character does not want to have sex with that person
How do you know that? I write my character saying "I wanted to have sex with that person." There, it wanted to have sex with that person, therefore no rape happened. And you cannot question that because my creation is defined exclusively by me, it doesn't exist as a real person therefore it cannot define itself. It is literally my thought put on paper and my thought is that he wanted to have sex with that person, therefore no rape happened, no matter how it appeared to you at first. You simply interpreted it wrong.
>This is like arguing that my character isn't murdered
If a character dies in a book no one is really murdered, anon.
To summarize:
>If not consent was given, it is rape. Both legally and ethically (Rapist doesn't know what his victim wants, thus showing callous disregard for her bodily autonomy)
>If you try to spin it romantic, you will make lots of people uncomfortable, and not just feminist) Rape is avoided and only used as a signifier of great evil for a reason
>If you still don't care, congratulations, you wrote another fifty shades of grey. You might even be rich, but if you get famous you will be mocked as writers of creepy and depraved stuff
>But who am I to say that you can't publish creepy porn, I wrote some romantic statutory rape in my time
>>79656180
Responsibility is individual, if some unrelated stranger suffers from delusions that's not the author's responsibility or fault for what he did as the author and its creations have nothing to do with him, and were not created for the purpose of inciting or guiding to crime, but to fulfill a declared fantasy. It's the criminal's sole fault for not understanding fantasy is not reality. "The (insert object here) made me do it" is never an excuse. It's only an attempt to avoid the blame he deserves.
Foreshadowing is key when doing something like this, to hint at a character's real feelings or intentions before the event happens.
However, fantasizing about and actually being raped are two completely different things.
That being said it depends on how smutty the comic is.
>>79656384
>Rapist doesn't know what his victim wants
In my story, he can tell by looking at the other character.
>if you try to spin it romantic, you will make lots of people uncomfortable
And I will also make other people happy as those who have written this kind of thing before have made me happy by allowing me to discover and explore my sexuality is a safe way, become sexually confident and have a satisfied life. Those people are more important to me than those bitching about a fictional story.
>you will be mocked as writers of creepy and depraved stuff
I've got a tough skin, and the thought I've helped someone else like me silences all mockery.
>But who am I to say that you can't publish creepy porn, I wrote some romantic statutory rape in my time
Whatever rocks your boat, anon.
Is a fetish comic.
No one will care because is just a way for you to write you fantasies and that usually ends in shitty writing unless you're an exceptionally talented person.
Conclusion,: The art needs to be good, since is for you and other people to jack off.
>>79650127
I thought feminists don't consider it rape if its a guy ?
It's fiction, who cares?
Write/draw whatever you want and ignore the crazies. There's no pleasing the SJWs.
Will you share your comic with us? I want to read it.
>>79656277
>talk about real world authorities and real world prosecution
>BUT MUH FICTIONAL CHARACTERS
Make up your mind. You were talking about real world consequences for stealing. Don't try and spin that around now.
> I write my character saying "I wanted to have sex with that person."
If you say that, sure. However in the OP you said it was rape. That they were raped. That the other character is a rapist.
You can write two people having sex, have it be very rapey, but it's totally consensual, and that's fine. But when you outright say 'This is rape, this guy was raped, by a rapist, who raped my OC', then that's rape anon. Don't get butthurt.
>If a character dies in a book no one is really murdered, anon.
If a character is raped in a book, no one is really raped anon.
>>79657994
We were talking about fictional characters and you attempted to drag the real world in when it has no place to begin with, don't complain now because I brought the conversation back on topic.
>However in the OP you said it was rape. That they were raped. That the other character is a rapist.
That's because I've dealt with too many sjws and tumblrinas telling me OMG THAT'S RAPE HE'S A RAPIST even though the author makes her characters say "Umm he didn't rape me yo", and when I point that out their usual reply is OMG STOCKHOLM SYNDROME THAT'S WHAT IT TOTALLY IS IT CANNOT BE OTHERWISE THE AUTHOR IS A PIECE OF SHIT FOR ROMANTICIZING STOCKHOLM SYNDROME and I think of the poor lady author who just wanted to write what she finds sexy and gets her off. Thanks to them the words "rape"and "rapist" no longer have any sort of meaning to me, they can just be "sex I find hot" and "guy I'd happily do it with."
>If a character is raped in a book, no one is really raped anon.
Yeah, I agree.
>>79659198
>you attempted
Except I didn't. Check the posts quoted. Another anon used theft as an example, and YOU brought up real world authorities. Don't get butthurt because you're too stupid to tell one anon from another.
Doesn't matter what you view rapist and rape to mean, you used those words, and even asked if it was rape. By your logic, your OP now says 'Is this sex I find hot, sex I find hot?' Why even bother asking the question if, to you, rape just means sex?
You described it as rape. No one else. Now, to get back to the original point, if you write a story which includes some people having sex, and you describe it as rape, it doesn't matter if YOU say 'Nah this isn't rape because she wanted it'. If you use the terms;rapist, rape, raping etc etc, then you're painting the pairing as a rape. No two ways about it. Your character was raped.
That's not to say that your character, or you, can't ENJOY the rape. Hell, one of the biggest issues with rape is that, biologically, your body can react as if it were regular sex. Pleasure and all.
But if one character forces sex, then it's rape. No two ways about that. Not even if you want to blame SJW's or claim it means something else. A character was raped. They might ENJOY said rape, they might end up dating the rapist, they might say that from now on, they want to be raped, but in all definitions, a rape occured.
If you want to write rapey stories, go ahead. No one is stopping you. Just don't get butthurt when people say it's rape. After all, you wouldn't get off if it WASN'T rape.
>>79650127
If you feel the need to defend your writing, then your writing is weak.
Don't bother engaging the haters. It just gives them more fuel to throw at you later. Write what you want, talk things over with the fans, and just do what works for you. You're writing to get your story out there, not to pacify everyone who might have an issue with it.
>>79659477
>Another anon used theft as an example, and YOU brought up real world authorities
To highlight the fallacy of their example. I don't know how the law works in your country but where I live things drop immediately if no charges are pressed and the victim decides not to press charge out of their free will. By the way this is all still irrelevant to fictional stories.
>Doesn't matter what you view rapist and rape to mean
Well it matters to me.
>Why even bother asking the question if, to you, rape just means sex?
Is that even a question to ask? Because there's people who will not listen to what others say, and when presented with the fact it wasn't rape, will likely ignore that fact and pretend it was still rape no matter what, despite facts proving them wrong.
>you're painting the pairing as a rape. No two ways about it. Your character was raped.
But then the rape I want to depict is just amazing sex to me so I don't see where's the problem.
>biologically, your body can react as if it were regular sex. Pleasure and all
I've never been one to go after mere pleasure. I want lust and love both. That's why my story is a love story, and what I depict goes beyond the mere physical, it is love as I want it.
>But if one character forces sex, then it's rape. No two ways about that.
And again, I don't see how that's a bad thing since the rape I depict is not a bad thing to me. It is the sex I like.
>don't get butthurt when people say it's rape. After all, you wouldn't get off if it WASN'T rape.
I don't get off rape though, and now I mean rape by its common definition, the heinous crime. Stories where someone ends up hurt or traumatized aren't my thing, I don't like bad endings. What I like are stories where one apparently forces himself on another only for the other to admit he wasn't really against it and the two grow to love each other more and more until they have their blissful happy ending. Sexy and sweet, just as I like it.
>>79659735
>>79650458
>>79650536
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>>79659735
Thanks for the good advice anons.
>>79650127
>I want to explain to any potential SJW
Time to stop and think about your life, anon.
>>79659477
>They might ENJOY said rape, they might end up dating the rapist, they might say that from now on, they want to be raped, but in all definitions, a rape occured.
Doesn't it saying it's rape and then make it a good thing make rape kinda meaningless though?
I mean, it's like saying look out anon there's a lion about to attack you, and then you turn around and see it's a kitty in a lion costume. And I'm supposed to be scared by that? That's just friggin' adorable. I can't think bad of something if you strip it of all bad aspects about it, yet that's what people expect of me when they say something is rape. Then if you say it's not rape they in some haughty manner tell you you don't know what rape is and proceed to patronize you, if you say it's rape they proceed to tell you that you should enjoy realistic depictions of rape instead even though you don't care for that shit.
You're making some shitty fetish comic, possible criticism from sjws is the least of your problems
>>79650127
>Implying SJW's don't completely crave yaoi
