Marvel's all like "Magic might not be able to work with the cinematic universe we're building" and DC is just like "This guy's tattoos can rip apart trains"
>>79152886
OK
that's fucking ridiculous, and you've taken all the joy of discovery out of it for me, so whatever this was is dead to me now
well done DCfriend
>>79152886
Link to the article where that was said?
>this guys tattoos can rip apart trains
That sounds hella friggin epic.
>>79153055
Never read a comic before?
>>79152886
Dr strange?
>>79155291
Doctor Stange is just as much 'mind over mattle', 'focus determines reality' and 'eastern mysticism.'
This is balls to the wall fantasy magic; forgotten realms level shit, with some Lovecraft level eldritch sprinkled on top.
>>79152886
I like Marvel's take on magic more. Magic a shit.
>>79152886
"Magic is a science" =/= "Magic isn't real".
Also
>console wars
>Implying it's Tattooed Man
/co/ is gonna shit when they find out that they're 4th World monsters from Apokalips
>>79155588
Magic is extradimensional physics actually.
>>79155463
>this is fantasy magic
Right. I remember that scene in Lord of the Rings where Gandalf rips apart a train with his tattoos.
>>79155633
Bait. It takes two minutes of reading, and the most basic grasp of Tolkien lore, to understand that in the Third Age magic and fantastical stuff has decreased. The 'Wizards' are basically Angelic beings who don't have full access to their abilities.
Marvel so far has played the 'magic is just science beyond our ken' card thus far. They will likely step into proper magic with Strange, but DC has never hesitated on having the full on low-fantasy swords and sorcery levels of magic.
>>79155763
Uh huh. Because a viking god from Asgard and a guy who turns into a giant green monster is totally fundamentally different from a guy who rips apart trains with his tattoos.
>>79155763
>'magic is just science beyond our ken'
That's literally what magic is.
Treated it as outside or opposed to science is retarded.
>>79155825
WRONG MUTHAFUCKA. MAGIC AIN'T A SCIENCE CAUSE SCIENCE IS EMPIRICAL METHOD TO UNDERSTANDING AND YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND MAGIC.
>>79155763
>but DC has never hesitated on having the full on low-fantasy swords and sorcery levels of magic.
Except for in the Dark Knight trilogy, the most celebrated DC movies all time, where no is even allowed to have powers.
This is a dumb argument. Just console warring bullshit that doesn't even hold any anchor in reality.
>>79155798
>God
You mean advance aliene being,also MCU thor is an insult towards vikings.
>>79155763
>They will likely step into proper magic with Strange
I hope not. Of course I have a bigger grudge against the concept of magic than a boner for Dr. Strange so other anons will likely disagree.
>>79155956
>retard
Batman usually isn't magic numbnuts.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying both, you know.
>>79155999
>using logic in console wars threads
Who is the valedictorian of Iowa City?
>>79152886
>Magic might not be able to work with the cinematic universe we're building
Yeah that's why they're making a doctor strange movie.
Marvel movies always had magic through the concept of "it's science beyond our understanding, and scientific minds will try to explain it through scientific means".
What really triggers /co/ is the Asgardians being extradimenstional cosmic beings once worshipped as gods rather than outright gods.
>>79155999
Stop trying to end the dispute, Nega Satan.
>>79155798
remember the energy grenades the dark "elves" had? lolin at you
>>79156018
>What really triggers /co/ is the Asgardians being extradimenstional cosmic beings once worshipped as gods rather than outright gods.
I like that tho.
>>79156015
Acording to producers, Strange magic is quantum physics.
>>79152886
Someone should do a post EXACTLY like that one of Marvel vs Dc...you know which one... and post it ironically on Tumblr, and see if people there take the bait.
>>79156053
I don't see the problem.
>>79155968
And the vikings thor is an insult to non germanic proto indo europeans.
>>79155943
If you couldn't understand magic then you couldn't use it for anything. Dr. Strange can cast a spell and have a good idea of what's going to happen because he's studied magic and is applying his knowledge of it.
>>79155943
>MAGIC AIN'T A SCIENCE CAUSE SCIENCE IS EMPIRICAL METHOD TO UNDERSTANDING AND YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND MAGIC.
That's literally what wizards do. That's what Doctor Strange does, Wanda, Clea, etc.
If you mean dummies that use magical artifacts such as the Hood, Juggernaut, or Nico then that's another thing.
>>79156066
>Acording to producers, Strange magic is quantum physics.
As an anon with a physics degree, I facepalm at this.
That said, it's still better than "lol, u cant understand muh magic so dont event rye".
>>79156076
>>79156079
The difference is in the idea that "magic" is fundamentally different than science and that scientists can't comprehend it, which is a silly notion.
>>79156053
Yeah, magic grenades. What about it?
>>79153055
>>79153055
This early in the morning and I've already found the biggest faggot of the day.
>>79156057
Me too, and it's canon to the comics, but it's also a primed shitposting vehicle.
>>79156066
Magic is just unexplained science lad, not getting your panties in a twist.
>m-m-muh magic tatoos
Marvel did the exact same thing but explained by comic science, 3 years earlier.
To think they said this movie was closer to the dark knight than Avengers
This is nothing like a nolan movie
It looks fun
Well played DC
>>79155968
>MCU thor is an insult towards vikings
No problem man, I got your back.
>>79156018
There is only one God, and he doesn't dress like Asgardians.
>>79156238
> DCucks are now funfags
Lol
>>79155999
There is becauseboth are shit.
>>79156238
>Dark Knight trilogy wasn't fun
I just want this meme to end.
>>79156163
Total pleb detected. How can you live with yourself knowing you're so unintelligent?
I'm glad they just throw in Magic in there. no point in trying to explain and make things intricate.
>>79155989
>Lazarus pit
>>79152886
>>79155989
>i don't read comics
>>79156542
Typical capeshitter.
>>79156066
Darkforce is also rumored to be involved, which gives them a convenient catch all phlebotium to work with.
>>79156670
How is it typical? It's a comic-book adaptation. maybe you can have slightly "important" detail on how a character utilizes magic or what's the type of magic in the specific universe, but to drag on this silly debate of Science and Magic movie after movie is just retarded.
Why can't it simply just be magic?
>>79155989
> Lazarus Pits
> Solomon Grundy
> Possibly Clayface?
Most of those seem fairly magical at a glance
>>79156788
Anon, saying "magic is science" or "magic is quantum physics" isn't explaining anything. It doesn't make anything intricate.
>>79156817
A guy dressing up in a fursuit and defeating an entire city full of armed criminals with ninja skills might as well be magic, it's absurd enough. Also, didn't they make him a god recently?
>>79156836
I meant that people are trying to make it seem intricate. It just sucks out all the fun.
>>79156817
Clyface is science.
>>79156858
They made him a science god
>>79156788
>no point in trying to explain and make things intricate.
It's typical of capeshitters to want everything dumbed down. Any explanation is too much for them.
>>79156817
The Lazarus Pits are now science fiction thanks to Snyder saying they contain the same substance from the meteorite that made Vandal Savage immortal.
Grundy is magic, Clayface is science fiction.
>>79156867
The only time it comes up in a Marvel movie is when a scientist character is trying to wrap their heads around magical norse gods existing and coming to terms with it. There's nothing intricate about it.
>>79156018
If Thor is stated to be an outright god, that automatically eliminates anything non-Asgardian as possibly being a threat to him, since gods are fundamentally immortal (if not invincible). Also, Marvel risks backlash from their non-Norse religious audience.
My favorite part about that though is that Thor and the Asgardians not being gods also eliminates Loki's right to claim rulership over any other realm under the pretense of "we're gods, we know better".
>>79155825
I get that, but the problem is that Marvel thus far has treated it as being science that still looks like our science.
You can look at magic scientifically and still portray it as being completely different to any of our current technology.
I'm optimistic about Doctor Strange, though; I think a lot of people misinterpreted the quantum physics statement.
>>79156817
Clayface is science. Scarface puppet is magic, on the other hand.
>>79152886
>This guy's tattoos can rip apart trains
DCucks don't even know their own characters KEK
>>79152886
I'm confused. So who are they fighting against?
>>79157112
Batman.
>>79156947
>I get that, but the problem is that Marvel thus far has treated it as being science that still looks like our science.
Yeah, infinity gems are like lithium batteries, Mjolnir is like a tomogatchi, Loki clearly just swallowed a projector.
>>79155463
>I haven't read Lovecraft: the post
>>79157202
Mjolnir is an Alcubierre drive with an AI.
>>79156578
Am I missing some storyline where Batman becomes a wizard or something?
>>79156817
>Solomon Grundy
Not a Batman villain.
>>79156079
Rituals ain't equations nigga and magic ain't a science, it's a craft.
>>79157362
There's lots of magic in Batman's world.
>>79153055
You're a fucking faggot, holy shit.
>>79157362
>PING
God.
>>79157455
But it's incidental to Batman and Gotham.
>>79157473
God isn't a magician with a magic wand.
The age of DC domination has begun.
>>79152886
Oh, they making a [prototype] movie?
>>79152886
That's not Tattooed man you fucking cocksucker
Get the fuck out of my board you casual
>>79155798
>go hard as possibly out of their way to say Thor is not a god
>>79157594
It's not a prototype you retard
>>79157595
GUYS
WHAT IF...
The villian is
apokoliptian in origin
and is a reason shit is going down.
>>79152886
Looks like enchantress is going to rip apart Tattoo Man's asshole.
Do you remember MCUcks saying DC was embarassed about it's source material? Enjoy your shit techno vikings.
>>79157595
>My
Fuck yourself
>>79155798
Well in the MCU Thor's powers are based around their science. The Hulks powers are always comic science. Not magic.
>>79155825
No, magic doesn't have specific particles or physical indicators
Magical adeptness is naturally imbued and cannot be quantified, two people using the exact same spell can have different results
You are retarded for needing everything to have a definite explanation even if it's just "we don't understand it yet"
>>79157648
Nah, the villain is Enchantress
>>79157436
>Rituals ain't equations
No, they're formulas.
>magic ain't a science
Science is just a study of something, no one actually calls themself a 'scientist'. They call themselves molecular biologists, organic chemists, etc.
>>79157622
If they went as hard as possible out of their way, they wouldn't blatantly and repeatedly state that he's a god.
Seems to me like you're too wrapped up in the memes and haven't watched the movies. But I guess that's memesters for you.
>>79156817
>grundy
>clayface
Holy shit this is how I know you're a casual
Grundy is not a Batman villain, Clayface is science
>>79157702
Thor says he's a god but every non Asgardian character says otherwise including the scientist characters they repeatedly show have a vast knowledge of this interdimensional shit
This is why we love marvel. It's not about gods or fantasy, it's about science. FUCK YEAH SCIENCE BJTCHES
*Mike drop*
*Walks away with zero fucks given*
>>79157753
Hello marvel reddit
>>79155463
It's still "magic is science", friend:
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2014/03/13/kevin-feige-explains-how-magic-will-work-in-doctor-strange
>>79157753
Cringe
>>79157753
>I-it's not about gods
>Thor
>>79157740
>including the scientist characters they repeatedly show have a vast knowledge of this interdimensional shit
As scientists in Marvel always have, they had\have absolutely no knowledge of Asgardians as a concept certainly before and even after Thor's appearance. The infamous 'what your ancestors called magic you call science' line was literally in reference to opening dimensional rifts and traveling between realms and how close that Jane's generation was coming to discovering it.
You're just making shit up.
>>79157858
>replying seriously to obvious bait
Desperation to be right for once in this thread?
>>79157753
Marvel fans everyone
>>79157753
>BJTCHES
>>79157698
It's an empirical study meaning it need hadd facts and data that can be reproduced. Magic doesn't do that shit.
>>79157753
This is a Dc fan trying to bait Marvel shitters and enable Dc shitposters
Can't you fuckers just watch both for fucks sake
>>79155463
>with some Lovecraft level eldritch sprinkled on top.
>>79155605
Common was confirmed to play Tattooed Man, m80.
>>79157885
>falling for an obvious falseflag post
>>79157698
>they're formulas
WRONG MOTHERFUCKA! RITUALS ARE KINDA LIKE YOU GOING TO THE BANK FOR A LOAN. THAT SHIT ISN'T GUARANTEED AND YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE PRICE LATER ON BITCH.
Now it's been a long time since I've read anything with Tattooed Man (probably Final Crisis) but I don't particularly recall his powers being magical in origin. Anyone remember exactly?
>>79158106
The second tattoo man was a US marine who got captured by sum crazy savages who do magic tattoos as a way of penance.
>>79157891
Magic literally does that shit. If you couldn't study it and learn something about how it works, you could never use it.
>>79157681
>two people using the exact same spell can have different results
Because the caster is a variable.
A caster knows what will happen when he casts a spell because the spell is repeatable and has observable effects.
Flying isn't magic because some animals can do it and others can't.
>>79158212
Children are able to perform simple scientific experiments
Not the same for magic
>>79158212
But there's no hard concrete way of learning magic because magic is wild.
>>79158424
It still has logic beind it, or it'd be unusable by anyone.
