ITT: almost perfect costumes
>>79124242
That really is one of the best costumes I've seen in a long-ass time.
Too bad Robbi Rodriguez is a complete tool.
>>79124242
It's a good costume, but it's overrated. I prefer a lot of Spider costumes to it.
>Classic
>Black
>Reilly
>Scarlet Spider 1
>>79124270
Also a one-hit wonder, every other redesign he's done has been terrible.
>>79124242
Let me guess, you dislike the hood or/and the soles.
Either way, you're a faggot.
>ugly coloring
>shit hoodie and boots
>uncreative
/co/ has the worst taste, I swear.
>>79124312
I prefer the term "One-Trick Pony", and yes Robbi is a complete and utter tool. Have you even seen the guy?
Take away the collar and this would be pretty much perfect.
> Simplicity Fags Violently shaking BUT THU FUCKIN LINES, BEWARE THE LINES!!!
Suck... My... Dick...
>>79124331
The hood is the best part.
>>79126727
Take away the lines, the armour-shine, the collar on the neck and wrists and then it be good.
>>79126806
And that garbage red belt. It looks like a shitty chinese toy.
>>79126727
i don't like what's on his hands, and the cape seems like a batman cowl to me.
also his face is disturbingly feminine.
>>79124242
Miles's costume is the best Spider-Costume.
>>79126727
I like the collar. The costume just needs more yellow.
>>79126727
It's too alien and it doesn't say what it should about a young Superman.
At this period, above all others, he's more human than alien. More of Earth than of Krypton.
The classic suit says that more than this one.
The colour is too authoritarian too. At least for such a young Supes.
An older and experience Superman looks fine in a collar because he is, by then, more than just a symbol of a man doing his part. He's a legitimate authority figure.
>>79126841
>disturbingly feminine
That's just Rocafort.
>>79126806
No, the shine is what is most fucking important to make it look more grand and epic then generic pathetic cosplay looking blanket tier cloth.
The wrist are fucking phenomenal and so are the lines, GOD DAMN IT what the fuck is wrong with you people?, why do you so desperately want to divorce Superman from his badass Sci-Fi nature.
>>79126727
I don't think you need to get rid of all the lines, but getting rid of the majority of them makes it look good. Kind of like the Smallville S11 costume. The flatter, more fabric look even makes the collar somewhat tolerable as it feels kind of comfy like a turtleneck rather than a formal thing.
It looked good to me in the last Batman/Superman issue.
Any Moon Knight suit looks better with blue glowing eyes.
>>79126861
It's a nice looking suit, for sure, but the black scheme has too much weight in Spider-man history.
Miles is just a kid. He doesn't have a dark side yet.
A Spider-man suit with that much black harkens way too strongly to the Black Suit for it to suit Miles.
A good suit for one the clones, maybe, or a version of Peter who has found balance between anger and violence, and justice and righteousness.
>>79126886
>It's too alien
THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT, it needs to look Sci-fi and not generic silly superheroy, he needs to stand out.
He need to come off as a grand mesmerizing ideal not like a guy in a pathetic cosplay.
>>79126886
Not him, but I like this reasoning.
Early Superman would most likely have work clothes (rags and a cape) like in Action Comics.
When he gets older and more mature, then he wears something more regal. Something that not just shows he's the Earth's beacon of hope - but that he's also the Top Dog, someone who's not to be fucked with.
>>79126905
>why do you so desperately want to divorce Superman from his badass Sci-Fi nature.
Not him, but I think that's kind of the point to most people. That Clark's a smalltown guy dealing with grand sci-fi shit. You want his look to fit in with his surroundings where the rest of us want it to contrast.
Not going to find middle ground here.
>>79126945
>He doesn't have a dark side yet.
You know what? Anything I'm gonna say will get me banned for not keeping /pol/ in /pol/ so I'll just shut up, but you probably understand what I'm trying to say anyway.
>>79126956
>He need to come off as a grand mesmerizing ideal not like a guy in a pathetic cosplay.
Not young Superman.
Young Clark is just a guy in a pathetic cosplay trying to do what's right.
That's the core of Superman. A small town boy trying to do what's right by the world with the gifts he was given.
Maybe as he ages he can start to feel alien and the suit can reflect that.
But the core suit should always be simple.
>>79126945
Eh, I think you're reading into the whole Color Theory thing too much.
Peter has been shown to be absolutely pissed in his classic costume as well as the black suit.
If you really want to stretch that train of thought, you could say that Miles is in mourning of Ultimate Peter's death by wearing Black - like you would at a funeral.
Also, Miles doesn't need a "dark side".
>>79126992
I think I know what you're trying to say.
>>79126981
That is what the Clark Kent Reporter side of him is for to contrast his reality and show his humble-ness, Superman is a ideal he should look like one.
>>79126956
Anon.
They're saying it is great, but for an older Superman. One who's explored his origins, made trusted connections to people with access to extensive tech, and become a symbol of his era.
But for the first costume he gets, it doesn't reflect where he's coming from now does it leave him room to have his costume change to reflect his experience and growth.
You don't begin with an endgame appearance.
>>79126861
>character is black
>give him a black suit so everyone knows it
It sucks.
>>79127021
>Not young Superman.
>Young Clark is just a guy in a pathetic cosplay trying to do what's right.
That was what the jeans and t-shirt are for, he has grown past that in the new 52.
> But the core suit should always be simple.
Fuck Off Simplicity fag, If I wanted the bare minimum in my artwork I would re read New Frontier, I fucking don't I want Lee Bermejo level depth and detail.
>>79127077
All jokes aside, white would've looked better on him. At least when he removes the mask and the white costume dark skin contrast strikes.
>>79127077
>Be black
>Wear black
>Have the word black in your name
Black panther and black lightning must be suffering for you
>>79127047
None of that is fucking relevant, I care about what makes him most visually pleasing to look at.
>>79126956
Calm down bro.
See >>79126977 >>79127047.
It's about seeing what Superman would wear based on his characterization.
Yes, he's an alien - but for most of his early life, he has no idea who he really is and where he comes from. Even after manifesting his powers and learning that he's the odd one out, he still clings to what he's known most of his life - humanity.
I personally LOVE the New 52 Costume, but Superman needed to be eased into it.
Once he learns the truth about who he is as a Kryptonian, and allows some time for the knowledge to marinate in his mind, THEN he accepts his heritage and begins to wear Kryptonian Clothing as a mature adult.
>>79126727
If the belt was yellow.
>>79124242
Her hoddie is symbolic vagina
>>79127130
So, not that plastic-looking busy garbage that anon posted?I bet he's trolling judging by the way he responds to people
>>79124242
2099 costume.
>>79127119
How about something like 2099's new Costume?
I think that would look great on Miles - contrasting against his skin tone.
Actually, I think it would look sexy as hell.
But like I said before, I absolutely love his costume as it is.
>>79127132
>but Superman needed to be eased into it.
Which is what happened, does no on remember the t-shirt and jeans?
>>79127044
I just disagree with your interpretation that Superman being the ideal needs to go heavy with the sci-fi. His general presence should be grand, but that comes from the guy not the suit. How he looks, how he stands. But the ideal that he stands for is also a warm person who is approachable rather than an alien warrior kind of thing, which is why I don't don't like the armor on him.
This is what I mean by there being no middle ground. This is such an emotional thing when it comes to how people interpret him and what they are responding to.
>>79127132
I fucking despise the collar. That alone makes it the worst thing he's ever worn.
>>79126727
I actually hate this guy's art. Everyone looks like a faggy anime character and everything's too shiny and glossy.
>>79127188
Nothing he's worn is worse than Injustice Superman costume.
Why are Injustice designs so shit in general?
>>79127154
But depth, and reflective detail IS extremely pleasing to me, blank generic plain cloth is not.
I'm not trolling I am mother fucking sick of people confusing differences in personal preferences in how much detail and depth you like in your comic art to having bad taste.
>>79127188
Hey, that's perfectly fine. To each his own.
There's something about guys in mandarin collar costumes that just gets to me. It's a personal taste.
It also depends on who's drawing the costume. That's something I feel like a lot of people forget.
>>79127226
People don't confuse the difference, they just like to be hyperbolic by claiming things they don't like are shit.
>>79127224
I completely forgot about that. Second worst thing.
>>79127138
Either this...
>>79127044
But Clark Kent reporter is a facade.
The alien is his heritage.
The hero is what others see him as.
Inside, he's Clark Kent; farmboy good samaritan.
Dressing him up like an alien is like the Kryptonian version of a normal black guy suddenly only wearing this.
>>79127224
>Why are Injustice designs so shit in general?
because they don't matter and artists can't help themselves when there are no strings holding them back
>>79127245
He looks like a damn Nazi in this picture.
>>79127258
Or this.
>>79127217
Fuck you, Rocafort's detail and rendering is fucking phenomenal and some of the best in comics.
Droop the sash a little and it's perfect
>>79127130
So you buy comics for covers and splash pages only?
That's like when Star Wars fanboys say Darth Nihilus is the greatest character ever when he didn't ever do anything important and just "looked cool".
>>79127224
Aquaman, Catwoman, Diana and all the Greek Gods had great designs.
>>79127217
The faces are weird, but I wouldn't mind him on something that could use his level of detail like GL. He had a cool variant a while back.
>>79127273
It's obnoxious and everyone looks like a fucking teenager. He's not fit for superhero comics.
>>79127226
Yet you're whining about people wanting simplicity as if that's something bad.
>>79127297
>Injustice Ares
>Great design
It as disgusting.
Such a rich history of ideas to choose from and they go with cartoon supervillain
>>79126861
I don't like how it's pure black under the waist. Maybe some red webbing boots like spidergirl would balance it better.
>>79127121
I expect them to pull that shit back in the day but not now.
>>79127300
Yeah, that kinda glossy glowing armored lined look would be pretty fitting on GL. And plus GL fans seem to like their men pretty.
>>79127226
where the fuck does he get the armor-shine line clothing anyway? Did the El's also include a Tailor Matrix in the pod to keep making him krypto-clothing to match his build as he grew up?
The classic look has the ability to be made out of earth fabrics. The t-shirt and jeans (not a fan of that one) could be just bought at a fucking store.
but if he has "alien scifi clothing" it requires explanation where it came from.
>>79127265
I'm so tempted to shitpost about how "racist" you are (Kidding)/
But to be fair with your example. The Black guy could be trying to reconnected with his lost history. He's African, but no one in his family remembers anything about where they're from, or how they behaved, etc.
Actually, that's like the perfect analogy for Superman and Kryptonian Culture. He has the general characteristics of a Kryptonian, but he doesn't know ANYTHING about that culture, until another Kryptonian comes around and tells him.
Speaking of which, I also love Earth 23 Superman's design.
>yfw Batman is still white in Earth 23 (I know they're all different people)
>>79127258
>>79127271
Both are alright. The yellow was needed.
>>79127329
I kind of like the simplicity of Miles' design. It's a stark contrast to Peter's.
>>79127356
Nanomachines, Son.
Seriously, pic related.
>>79127384
>Actually, that's like the perfect analogy for Superman and Kryptonian Culture
Not really, I've never seen Superman looting and breaking shit because another Kryptonian died.
>>79127295
I buy it for anything It has to offer that appeals to me, but I am a artist, and the art is extremely important to me.
I care about ALL the art not just the covers and splash pages.
Art and characterization are separate categories to me, I care about both but I don't need them to be tied directly into one another.
Your like those fucking SJWs that believe you can not respect and believe in the competence of a female character no matter how perfectly she is written if she is sexualized at all.
>>79127408
CHRIST that's stupid.
>>79127356
The fortress makes it for him, that's why he doesn't have it in Truth. It ripped it off him because he didn't register as Kryptonian anymore.
I don't like the armor but you could actually just read some comics instead of posting things like this.
>>79127303
>He's not fit for superhero comics.
That is EXACTLY what he is fit for.
>>79127420
I meant the disconnect between a person and their culture in general, but I feel like you already knew that.
If you want to needlessly bring racism into this with shitposting, that's fine by me. But please try to actually be subtle and creative about it.
>>79127265
I remember early in the Supergirl book she noted that he speak Kryptonian as if he learned it from a book (essentially what he did). Love that contrast between them.
>>79127325
It is, people like Darwin Cooke can do good expressions and some good panel to panel stuff, but beyond that there is not jack shit on the page, I want to be immersed into the depth and rendering of each panel.
>>79127486
But whenever I'm subtle and creative, people take me seriously and no one gets offended.
>>79127514
That's not good/bad though. You just don't like it as much.
>>79127384
I like the general Earth 23 suit, but what's up with the cape?
Also
>no white Steel
I guess that would have ruined the whole John Henry thing, though.
>>79127514
Darwin Cooke's art is fucking phenomenal.
>>79127450
Are we really going to argue about practicality in comics?
Is that anymore stupid that a Parastic (Supposedly Symiotic) alien creature that bonds with a person on a cellular level?
A creature that can literally eject it's own biomass in the appearance of webbing? Oh and something that can also perfectly camouflage itself as any form of clothing in existence?
As well as being the most fetishized and jerked over creature in fiction?
>>79127384
Why is Batman still white?
>>79127566
No, I like Venom.
I just think Superman having a cool transforming alien costume is trying too hard.
>>79127543
>I like the general Earth 23 suit, but what's up with the cape?
Magic I guess. It looks cool though.
I'd be fine with giving Superman his old costume back (or the Earth 2 one) if Based black Superman still kept his.
>>79127566
The Symbiont is fine when done right.
When it's just "magic black oil that does whatever it wants", it's stupid (but sometimes fun).
It reaches full potential when it feels truly alien and dangerous.
There's one issue of something or other involving one of the children of Carnage, iirc, and the host describes how it feels to take some on the extreme forms the Symbiont forces upon the host's body. Something how the pain of having his bones dislocated and broken feels go good.
>>79127621
That's perfectly reasonable. I love how civil most people in this thread are being (I'm not kidding).
I admit I always love seeing Superman quickly change into his costume.
Plus him having that Crest on his chest must feel really awkward after a while.
>>79127648
Its weird, that yellow on red symbol is much better than the OG symbol
>>79127606
Other than Superman himself it's not a race swap world. It's just a world where the minority heroes are the main ones.
Maybe you have Batwing be Batman I guess but it's not the same.
>>79127690
I think it would be interesting for a black Batman, at least in one universe.
Regular Bruce Wayne already has issues with the police and how they operate.
A black Batman would increase that tension greatly and provide yet another reason for why he decided to dress up as a bat and go do what the police can't or won't
>>79127683
I personally loved that aesthetic the most. It's weird that no one has ever thought to do that in Superman's entire history with any other character.
>>79127653
Yeah, I would've preferred if the symbiote could hide away inside the skin of it's host. But the whole camouflaging as clothing thing was always ridiculous to me IMO. I liked seeing it, but it never made sense to me by comic standards.
I'm not one to talk though, since I still shamelessly love the Unlimited Spider-Man suit (Pic related) and it's nanorobotic BS to this day. Peter wouldn't have nearly as much trouble in his early years as hid did if he had that suit (or the Iron Spider Suit)
>>79127730
C-Can robin and Nightwing be black too?
On second thought, the latter would lead to numerous BBC and BLACKED jokes, considering how much this board already loves normal Dick Grayson.
Dick "Blackwing" Grayson would be an interesting character I suppose.
It's a bit sloppy in places, but it still looks good.
>>79127826
Duke will probably get some kind of identity if you was a black Batfam kid. But Dick is already Romani and Damian is mixed as hell.
>>79127826
Wasn't Dick supposed to be black in the Burton Batman series?
>>79127858
How ethnic and racially diverse can we get with the Batfamily?
Batwing and Cass for starters. Who else?
>inb4 Batwoman.
>>79127433
You had a valid point until you suddenly claimed SJW for no logical reason.
This is 4chan /co/, we use faggot and autist as the generic insults.
That being said, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Explain how the visuals of something needing to match the storytelling and not just be there because rule of cool is somehkw SJW?
>>79127826
>Nightwing be black too?
>>79127942
I'm pretty sure Batman is a half Jew due to him being part of the Kane family. Jason Todd was a ginger. Tim Drake was hinted to be Jewish in his early days.
>>79127994
Damian is a filthy durka.
>>79127121
Don't forget Black Manta
>>79127826
Honestly, I think the dynamic between a black Batman and a Robin would be much more interesting than two white characters.
The "black fathers" joke is exaggerated but it's based on truth.
There are a lot more black boys growing up with fathers than white ones, and that really is a problem. Both individually and culturally.
A black Batman would definitely factor that into his decision to "adopt".
>>79128051
that one was good though because no one expected it
>>79127433
Then you're a shitty artist that only wants style over substance...like Jim Lee or Liefeld. Really, if you're an artist is baffling than you can't see why a design reflecting the story of a character is superior to mindless style
Congratulations
>>79128014
And isn't his mom half asian? Though the Wayne genes took the front seat
>>79128085
>Batman, Robin and Nightwing are Black
Are the other Batman characters still their normal races?
>Batgirl is still white.
>Gordon is still white
>The Joker is still pale as the moon.
>The Joker always makes a note to remind the audience that he's not killing Batman because he's black - just because he's a bat.
>#BatLivesMatter
>>79127994
Dick is part Roma...or not, i don't remember the details of that story
>>79127944
It DOESN'T need to match the story telling to that degree.
Your claiming Superman isn't Superman if he looks too badass.
Just like SJWs claim a female character no matter how well written is ruined if she is too sexy.
The character being visually enjoyable should not be sacrificed just because YOU don't think it perfectly fits his personality.
>>79128161
If he ever wasn't at some point the Grayson team confirmed it's canon again now
>>79127514
>IT'S BAD BECAUSE I SAID SO
>WAHH I ME ME ME
>hating on Darwyn Cooke because WAHH WHERE MUH DETAILS
Alright, I've had enough of you. Fuck off, you fucking idiot.
>>79128091
Art with depth and visual beauty IS substance.
I am very meh on Jim Lee, I can like his design and not necessarily like him.
Liefeld has absolutely no style, he is nothing but a mass of incompetent scribbles.
Because I like Superman's idealistic personality, but I HATE when he is drawn bright, campy, silly and cartoony.
Pic Related for example, is more inspiring, hopeful and beautifully rendered than someone like say... Darwin Cooke has ever done in my book. (I like Cooke, but still)
>>79127826
Dick can be at most brown due to his Romani heritage IMO
>>79128091
>>79128370
My bad pic related here...
>>79128415
Jesus Christ, this is busy ugly garbage.
>>79128370
This post as well as all the pictures you've posted as an example kind of makes me question whether you're actually debating in favor of the armor or if you just find it to be symbolic of the style of comic art that you favor. Which isn't bad of course, but it's not the same discussion as the armor is not always drawn like that (and tends to look almost like building blocks in terms of bulkiness when drawn by most artists).
But personally I don't think it being armor adds much here >>79128415. The t-shirt and jeans costume drawn in that style in the background still looks better to me.
>>79124242
JUST FUCK MY FIELD OF VISION UP SENPAI
>>79128616
I think the lines and plates lends themselves to additional shadows and rendering coming across out of the contours of the material.
Bermejo can do plenty of depth without it, but other artist can't.
I personally never ever saw it as armor visually, just as a thicker leather like material rather than cloth.
