Why was Robin War just so uninteresting?
I though King could do no wrong.
>>79033593
It wasn't though. All the King parts were pretty great.
I thought everything King did was great, the other writers were really hit or miss, which hurt the overall story but King really stuck the landing wit the prestige he set up and go a good handle all the characters at play, which was a huge cast.
>>79033621
I would have preferred if it was a limited series with King writing the whole thing or at least writing the entire plot and having an additional writer work on the scripts with a consistent art team.
Inconsistant art.
Great Robin story across the board.
Reestablished the Court of Owls as a threat.
>>79034128
Meanth last two as highlights.
Great Dick story, great Damien story, great Duke story.
Gordon and Jason were smaller roles, but fine characterization.
Only one left in the dust was, as always, Tim.Seriously. Wally got retconed by Nu52, but Tim didn't?
>>79034128
>>79033593
If you don't like Grayson or We Are Diversity then yes, this event is not for you.
I thought it was pretty cool, but I'm gonna admit right off the bat my taste in comics is shit.
But its gotten me interested in Grayson again
>>79033593
King's own books were great and I do like the idea of Dick as an Owl. Overall, it wasn't anything special, but better than any crossover the Batbooks had of late.
No tension. I mean, for fucks sake you have untrained kids fight and defeat ''elite'' Talons. Remember how big of a deal these guys were back in Court of Owls, and Night of the Owls? Now they're just another type of faceless mooks.
>>79034367
I love how butthurt Jasonfags are after this. "B-b-b-but he has magical assassin training!" And Tzitzimine has just gone off the rails
King had to rewrite it to fit with Grayson obviously
initially the event was supposed to be about WAR kids vs Damian but then they shoehorned other things in
>>79033593
Because it was literally just this for six issues
>I am Robin
>I too am also Robin
>No I am Robin
>No you are Gray Son
>Yes my name is Grayson, but I am also Robin but not really?
>I am more Robin than you are Robin
>I am not Robin
>Yes you are Robin
>Okay I am also Robin
>Hoot hoot I'm actually an owl
>>79037133
>Hoot hoot I'm actually an owl
This made me laugh.
He should wear the mask next time he meets with Midnighter.
>>79033593
I thought King did a lot of good, but there ending issue did have some plot issues. Like how did the We are robin kids be able to defeat all of those Talons, when Bruce had trouble with just 1?
King did the best he could with an editorially dictated plot, not unlike Seeley's scripts for B&R Eternal.
>>79037214
He should hide outside Midnighter's apartment and hoot at him all night
>>79033593
So is this worse or better than Batman and Robin Eternal?
>>79037566
It's shorter, so it's better. At least there wasn't as much pointless padding.
>>79037566
Robin War >> Batman and Robin Eternal >> Batman Eternal
>>79037054
King mentioned upcoming events that he's working on with Snyder and Johns, so presumably he had to fit the CoO in as a lead-in
>>79037783
Is BRE really better?
>>79037902
Only in that it's 26 issues instead of 52.
>>79033593
>I though King could do no wrong.
It begins.
>>79038082
nah, won't happen until he goes marvel exclusive
>>79033615
>>79033621
>>79034128
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>>79035744
This.
>>79033657
It would've been so much better this way. Alas, this is a Robin event, and not a Batman one, so of course DC wouldn't care enough.
>>79037133
>>79037214
>>79037538
Top kek.
>>79037498
I agree with this.
>>79037783
True.
>>79038082
>>79038137
And that is when I lose my faith in DC again, right after they just built back up.
>>79038137
It won't happen.
>>79038235
>>79034160
Haha
Poor Tim
>>79038393
Robin War was worth it for this scene and the BAWWLING of Red Hood faggots everywhere.
>>79038393
>>79038481
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/417i0e/that_punch_hurt_tim_more_than_it_did_jason_we_are/
Someone posted it, and the results are amazing.
>>79038393
Damian was 10/10 in this
>>79041088
Oh man you're weren't kidding.
>>79041088
hahah wonderful
>>79041088
>The whole Damian thing is utter horseshit. I watched son of batman on Netflix and
holy shit I'm dying
>>79041088
>somebodyI'll allow it only because that is really funny.
>>79033593
Because it was a Grayson arc sloppily expanded into a crossover
Remember when this was supposed to be Damian's story? Neither did King
>>79033593
It was dogshit, but the Grayson issue was actually pretty great.
>>79042453
>Remember when this was supposed to be Damian's story?
Not really
Even in interviews before it came out King basically said Dick saves the day
>>79042453
go away Tzitzimine
We all know you had trouble understanding it due to lack of narration boxes
>>79042544
It was still pretty Damian-focused. Tzitzimine just missed out on Damian's character arc because he was being mad that his precious Jason got beat
I didn't like it because I don't care about the Batfam or the We Are Robin crew. Grayson parts were good.
Couldn't give less of a shit about Damian/Jason/Tim/Duke though.
>>79042544
That was after the story was reworked into the mess we got, the original plans was for it to be contained into Gotham Academy, Robin: SOB and WAR
>>79042725
You can tell because Grayson #14 ended in a cliffhanger and the Robin War tie-in had nothing to do with that plotline. In #16 they'll go back to the unresolved cliffhanger and King said the Court of Owls stuff will not be adressed at first.
Wish they didn't include Grayson in the event and let King/Seeley include the CoW plotline more naturally over the course of the series.
>>79038137
If he's doing a DC event chances are DC won that battle...
>>79035786
Because they different Talons that are explicitly stated to bit be as skilled. They were essentially rabid dogs.
>>79033593
only terrible thing about it is that it bumped up sales for Lobdell's shitty books. And now the trade will include those two throwaway issues.
>>79043023
That last part is the true fucking crime. They were worthless to the story. Especially Red Hood.
>>79043067
Red Hood is always worthless though
>>79033593
>>79043139
>>79038393
>>79038235
>>79033593
Best part of the event was everyone getting BTFO by Damian. Literally everyone. Except Dick.
Second best part was Dick keikaku-ing everyone's asses, and then kicking Jim's ass for funsies.
Third best part was Dick telling off his family for thinking they could just walk away from him.
>>79043217
Damian beating up Jason was the best
>>79043334
Jasonfags are still assmad about it.
>>79043217
Dick keikakuing his own allies was definitely the best part: no one saw it coming, yet it made perfectly sense and was awesome
>>79043443
see: CBR
it's hilarious
>>79033593
I liked it. Things were introduced for Grayson and WAR to play with and the big elephant in the room in Damian's book (Bruce's memory loss) was finally acknowledged so that the book can move forward. Pacing was sloppy though. More stuff should've happened in the non-King issues. Too much felt crammed into Robin War #2 while barely anything happened in R:SOB. Also should'vecut Tim and Jason out entirely for more relevant pages since there's clearly no pleasing those fans.
>>79043493
Most Jason and Tim fans were actually happy with how they were written outside of the curbstomping in Robin War #2. In most forums, people are clamoring for a Tom King-written Red Robin/Red Hood team-up.
>>79043533
Yeah. I'm only unhappy with the fact that now Jason specializes in pretty much nothing now. He's no longer the angry/black sheep Robin. He used to be the second best fighter, but between this and the B&RE issue where Tim takes over the fight because Jason is apparently useless without bullets, he's apparently now the WORST fighter of the family.
His only use anymore is basically to be a watered-down Damian to Tim's watered-down Bruce.
>>79043794
Breaking news, Jason's been shit and largely useless since he's been back
>>79043533
I've seen Tim and Jason fans raging about how little they had to do with the event and, of course, the Robin power level hierarchy. It seems to me that the page time and the lack of page time they had in the event upsetted fans. If they're going to be upset either way and since the focus of the event was clearly supposed to be Dick, Duke, and Damian, they might as well have cut Jason and Tim out entirely for a tighter story.
>>79043794
Jason being better dead than alive is not a meme, but the truth.
His only post-resurrection story worth being told was UTRH, after that he had no purpose.
Morrison's idea to make Red Hood a Dickbats enemy was interesting, but ultimately doomed to fail since Jason wasn't, isn't and never will be a good character
>>79043794
Have power rankings within the Batfam ever made sense, though? I mean, I know Jason was supposed to be this great fighter (according to RHATO, which I don't read), but Damian has also consistently been portrayed as being able to kick most anybody's ass (beats droves of ninjas on the regular). And now, you have Cass, who ALSO is supposed to be able to beat pretty much anyone. And then there's Dick, who's supposed to excellent. So...between all these hyped-up super fighters, is there any logic to who's beating who? I doubt it.
>>79044044
>Have power rankings within the Batfam ever made sense, though?
No
Better question, why do people even care about power wanking so much?
Being really strong/skilled doesn't make a character automatically good.
>>79043794
To make up for the special snowflake he is in Lobdell's book, I guess. Honestly, it looks like none of the writers know what to do with him the way he is right now or particularly like him. It'll change if he gets a writer that actually develops him and makes him interesting.
>>79044084
Yeah, that's why I brought it up. It's annoying, because people seem to confuse "competent" with "BEST FIGHTER" all the time. It should be obvious that all of these characters will be THE BEST in their own title, and a little weaker in others. There is no consistency to it, and it doesn't freaking matter that much. I'm a Bat fan, but I don't need every single one of them to be the biggest curb stomper of all. There are other qualities that matter, for fuck's sake. Like being in engaging stories and shit.
>>79044084
Yes but people want their character to be the bestest at everything, especially against characters they may not like as much.
>>79044015
>but ultimately doomed to fail since Jason wasn't, isn't and never will be a good character
It was ultimately doomed because Morrison had no idea why people liked the character, he changed the character completely in order to fit in with his views on superheroes and villains, and then later used him in a way that screamed, "I have unresolved issues with my father."
>>79044212
>Morrison had no idea why people liked the character
Except he did and he deconstructed it. All Jason had going for him was "sexy misunderstood bad boy".
And it looks like he was right because there are a lot of people who dislike Morrison's Jason just because he was ugly.
>>79044212
But the reasons most people liked the character were awful. I bet Liefeld would like Jason.
>>79044212
People loved the character in Countdown?
>>79044634
And Nightwing Year One?
>>79044748
And Nightwing OYL?
>>79044321
>All Jason had going for him was "sexy misunderstood bad boy".
He was a direct counterpoint to Batman's mission. Crime can't be beaten, it can be controlled and lethal force is an acceptable method. It was Morrison who reduced him down to "sexy, misunderstood bad boy," so he could deconstruct him. B&R Red Hood isn't a deconstruction of UtRH Red Hood, he's a poorly constructed strawman. Morrison's Jason is one of those I'M SILLY type characters, even down to being ugly. I'm surprised he didn't give Jason stink lines.
>>79044780
You mean the story that's criticized for having Jason act out of character?
>>79044837
It's not really criticized for him being OOC, just for him turning into a tentacle monster
>>79044808
Did Morrison Hypercrisis it then? Because Lobdell's Red Hood is undeniably a "sexy, misunderstood bad boy":
>>79044911
Well the only reason why Jason has so many fangirls is the "sexy misunderstood bad boy" thing, even before. Part of UTRH was him having daddy issues, which is something fangirls go crazy over.
>>79044808
I think UTRH is Jason's best story arc as Red Hood, but I also like Morrison's take. Like someone has said, it was a deconstruction and it worked for me. He seemed like a genuinely tormented character, and his connection with Scarlet was pretty genuine as well, I wouldn't call it silly.
>>79044808
>He was a direct counterpoint to Batman's mission. Crime can't be beaten, it can be controlled and lethal force is an acceptable method.
That was still his pov in Morrison's story, he just added brand management to it.
Oh come on. Jason and Tim fans have every right to be upset. If it was dick who got one shoted by damian, you guys would have spent the whole week bitching and crying about it. Heck, you guys would actually declare a war on king. So stop being such a bunch of hypocrites. It is kind of hurt to watch.
And the whole thing about Jason. Well, I actually think that Jason has the best origin and the most potential out of all robins. DC are just simply a bunch of idiots who don't know how to handle him. DCCU is his only hope left.
>>79045477
>best origin
What's so great about being caught while stealing wheels off the Batmobile? It's not bad, but Dick's is more classic.
>>79044950
Jason's daddy issues are still a big part of his character, but people tend to forget he also has suicidal tendencies,an inferiority complex towards Dick, the oedipic relationship with Talia and crowbar ptsd.
A one shot of Jason doing psychotherapy would be hilarious
Because King is the next overrated mediocre writer. Just like Soule before him and Lemire before Soule.
>>79045735
Oh my god it's actually starting
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>>79045538
Isn't Jason's new origin have something about stealing drugs from Leslie or something
>>79045477
>most potential out of all robins
I don't know why people keep spouting this meme. Any fucking character can be great if written by a great writer. A great writer can write Alfred as robin.
>>79045879
RIP King
July 2014-Jan 2016
>>79045879
It;s just somebody trying to get a >>79045735(you).
>>79045187
Scarlet was one of the best things anyone has added to Jason's character. It's a shame that it was ruined by Winick and then by the reboot.
>>79045538
Yes he does.
Dick's origin was basically a copy of Bruce. Hardly classic or original.
>>79045735
Oh my, there actually Someone who acknowledge that king is overrated mediocre writer.
There's still hope for you /co/.
>>79045477
Characterfagging in general is hilarious. The Dickfags crying on CBR about him running away in Titans Hunt #3 was embarrassing. Your Jasonfagging is no less funny, Tzitzimine.
>>79046575
Dude, stop your obsession of Tzitzimine. It's kind of creepy and unhealthy.
Go out and have a fresh air and your brain will stop seeing everyone as Tzitzimine. Hopefully.
>>79044084
This. It's why Duke was the most engaging character in the whole story
>>79045477
Jason's new origin involves drugs, Leslie, and the possibility of Joker doing everything so that Jason would become Robin.
That is bad.
So are the other robins still mad at Dick for being Batman on them
>>79048513
You think Jason would be more mad at Damian beating him up
>>79048621
Jason has gotten tired of being pissed off all the time
Just like the audience.
>>79044044
>according to RHATO
LOL
it's probably something like Cass > Dick > Damian >>> everyone else
>>79044084
because Jasonfags have nothing else to hang their hat on. most of them can't tell the difference between good writing and self-insert fanfiction
>>79044212
His motivation in the movie boiled down to "I have unresolved issues with my father". That was the point, that he was upset at Batman for not killing the Joker, because "It took me away from you!"
>>79044321
>Except he did and he deconstructed it. All Jason had going for him was "sexy misunderstood bad boy".
>After Morrison, Winick tried to damage control sexy Jason by having him flirt with naked prison convicts
>Lobdell turned him into a self-insert fanfiction character
It's hilarious how even more appropriate Morrison's deconstruction is now
>>79046862
Tzitzimine pls
>>79046387
go away Tzitzimine
>>79046862
If your post is stupid enough to be mistaken for Tzitzimine, then that's your problem
>>79044015
I think it was doomed to fail because Jason has more marketable potential as another Batfamily member. The problem is they have him with one of the shittiest writers there is. He has a lot of potential to be fun. The reboot cleared him of a lot of "we don't know what to do" baggage and he kind of has a good basic direction now being a heroes for hire rip off but its all wasted. I loved when King and Valentine wrote him too. Its a shame.Also I like Lobdell's Gotham City Sirens issue. How shit is my taste /co/?
>>79049264
Its definitely that.
Personally, in a perfect world, Cass would be the most skilled with Damian dragging just a bit behind her, Jason would be physically the strongest but with zero finesse, Tim and Babs would be all brains and reflexes but kind of crappy in a real fight, and Dick would be the balanced character. They sort of try this when they all team up but it never feels consistent.
>>79050916
Yeah, there's definitely potential for that sort of character-driven action/comedy, but it needs a creative team with some flair and competence. It would also need to distance itself from UtRH, instead of the constant "wink wink nod nod" approach that Lobdell has taken in lieu of establishing a proper backstory.
Midnighter is basically the sort of book that Red Hood/Arsenal wishes it could be. It has unapologetic amounts of violence, cheesy one-liners that seem appropriate, and a strong character arc.
It warms my heart that hatred for Dark_Tzimintine transcends Something Awful and to the rest of the internet
>>79051386
He pollutes CBR, Comicvine, Reddit, and here as well. It's annoying as hell.
>>79046387
>Hardly classic
It's literally classic, it's the one Robin you can actually expect any given person on the street to know
>or original
Originality is a worthless false idol.
>>79046387
His origin is still much better than Jasons "Hey kid you're great at taking off tires. Come and be Robin"
>everone suddenly hates the other robins so much they justify Damian's mary sue status
>anyone who thinks Damian should have a proper place in the batfam with his strenghts and weaknesses and no dragon ball z sudden power-ups is either a "jasonfag" or a "lobdellfag"
wow. literally worse than tumblr
>>79044212
>and then later used him in a way that screamed, "I have unresolved issues with my father."
Jason's entire character motivation is unresolved father issues.
>>79036880
Don't forget about the magic swords that he can summon.
>>79034367
>guns and helmet
>doesn't shoot any talons
>gets knocked out through the helmet, in mud?
Also does he use a knife anymore?
If you want to paint Damian as an asshole, just have him kick Jason in the nuts or something. This simply makes no sense.
>>79036880
Eh, I'm Jasonfag. And even that I'm laughing at that page, it's already a fact that Jason will always get rekt'd by Damian.
What does that makes me?
>>79057878
Maybe DC doesn't like people using anything resembling light sabers? But if he's not going to use his fucking guns.
>>79058343
A traitor, I'm going to assume.
