How do you feel about not having any FF comics for a while?
>Brevoort: I think so. At a certain point, we set out here to do the last Fantastic Four story, at least for the time being. We didn't necessarily start with that as the original goal way back even with "Avengers" #1. That having been said, it's such a natural end point because a lot of this stuff organically grows out of Jonathan's "Fantastic Four" run. It seems like a fitting capstone to all of that.
>Now, there are some people who will look at this ending and all they'll see is Marvel putting Reed, Sue, Franklin and these other characters on a shelf because of movie rights. Is that fair? Is this really a shelf?
>Brevoort: It's a shelf in that the Fantastic Four as a unit are now split up. Ben and Johnny are in "Guardians," "Inhumans" and "Uncanny Avengers," and there isn't a "Fantastic Four" title. None of these characters are dead, though. Therefore, the future will inevitably and invariably get to a point where we'll see more of Reed, Sue, Franklin, Val, Dragon Man and the Future Foundation. We will get to that point. I don't know that we'll get to it quickly. Maybe we will. Maybe we won't. Hopefully we'll get to it when you least expect it so their reappearance on the Marvel stage can have some resonance to it.
>http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/hickman-brevoort-discuss-secret-wars-end-ushering-in-the-new-marvel-universe
Sounds like they'll come back during an event
I approve. I wish superhero teams could break up and go their separate ways more often.
It's too bad people think this is only happening because of film rights issues.
It's not like the current Avengers comics are exactly like the Avengers movies.
>>78959175
As possibly the biggest FF fan on /co/, I'd rather Marvel never make another FF book ever again or even acknowledge that they exist. It's better than seeing them turned to shit like what's already happened to every other Marvel character.
fuck marvel
>>78959175
That's fine. Sometimes it's good for characters to go away for awhile, absence makes the heart grow fonder. Thor was gone for like five years, a few years without Reed or Sue isn't bad.
>>78959325
Seriously, if there's not a big event before the end of 2016 that doesn't have them returning, I'll be amazed.
>>78959393
>Richard Rider
>Black Panther
We can talk about how the MCU ruined shit, but I'm really glad more people are being exposed to more obscure characters. People know who fucking Rocket Raccoon and Ronan are now. They may know them as different versions, but the name is out there.
It's fine because the quality of Fantastic Four comics have been down since Hickman left.
I'm glad that Hickman wrote this ending for the Fantastic Four in Secret Wars. It felt right coming from him.
>>78959175
>Goddamn it Sue, put your hand in
>>78959600
"Bet that's not the first time he's said that..."
>>78959175
I'm fine with it so long as we see them again eventually. But lets not all act like we don't know this is because of the whole movie rights situation. Because it totally is and we all know it.
>>78959393
>No FF
>No X-men
What's that from?
I'm fine with how the fmaily ended up at the end of Secret Wars. I'm fine with Johnny and Ben doing their own thing, but them not knowing left a bitter taste.
>>78959669
>but them not knowing left a bitter taste
Yeah, same. It was a good end, but the whole "Johnny and Ben think they're dead" thing doesn't sit well with me. You can pretty easily no-prize WHY they didn't tell either of them, but still, you don't let your family think you're dead when you're not. You just don't.
>>78959669
It's probably one of Marvel's official posters.
Like this one
this would be fine if secret wars wasn't a rushed marvel mega event
if secret wars was just a FF book that was paced well I'd probably be hailing hickman as a god
>>78959384
>8959384
I don't know Anon, as a huge FF Fan myself, I want to see them again, but give them 4 years.
>>78959806
>official
You mean third-party licensed stuff. Marvel isn't licensing out the X-men and F4, which is why third-party merchandise manufacturers can't include them on posters, t-shirts, or what have you.
It's official in the sense that Marvel gave them the OK to make it, but Marvel weren't the ones that actually made it.
>>78959806
>>78959891
>>78959393
Spoiler alert: You don't see them putting the Eternals or Jack of Hearts or D-man on posters or promotional material anymore either. Sometimes it's good to let things rest.
> Hickman: Yeah, I think so. People are free to interpret the story however they want to, but I think you could argue that Doom was, at times, the most heroic person in the story
>>78959817
Yeah, I'm OK with giving them a break. I'll take the ending they got in Secret Wars over having to watch 4 more bland, forgettable runs like Robinson and Fraction's.
I want a writer that WANTS to write the F4 not HAS to write them. Wait for someone that cares and has a pitch that goes beyond "uh, I dunno, I guess I'll just retread some old Lee/Kirby stories for the hundredth time."
What's a shame is that the end of Secret Wars actually does set them up with a great premise for a new F4 book, but I wouldn't trust any of Marvel's current writers with it anyways besides maybe Ewing, and he's already treading similar ground in The Ultimates.
Had they straight up killed Reed, Sue, Val, and/or Franklin off like people were anticipating then I'd be right fucking pissed, but shelving them for a bit ain't bad. I just hope "shelving them for a bit" doesn't mean "shelving them until they get the rights back."
>>78959175
I'm ok with this. As long as they come back when Marvel ultimately gets the rights again.
>>78959545
Am I the only one that actually liked James Robinson's run?
>>78959536
I was shocked to see Richard on there too, but Marvel gives no shits about him.
They probably wanted Sam on there, and told the guy to add in Nova.
>>78960246
People didn't like his run? I thought it was a blast
>>78960246
There was a lot of fun continuity porn in it, but it really felt like a "we've run out of people to write this book, please do it for us" kind of thing, which never leads to anything worthwhile. I'm critical of Hickman's stuff, but that was indeed better than this.
>>78959817
>no Simonson, which is better than anything there save Kirby and Waid
>no Pacheco/Marin
>no FF:1234
>no Carey Ultimate FF
Step it up, son
>>78960311
Nah, it's a retro thing. Look at Luke Cage and Iron Fist
>>78960246
I liked it, although I hated the Quiet Man and how Robinson tried to claim he was behind villains since the FF's begining even though that's impossible
>>78959175
Well, it ended with yet more Reed cock sucking and him as the king of the universe, so he at least got a happy ending.
>>78960021
yes but not the fucking x-men and fantastic four
and putting (the best selling comic) spider-man in the background behind iron man, thor and black widow of all the characters
>>78959431
Oh, they'll be back.As the bad guys
>>78960246
It was adequate. Certainly a massive step up from Fraction's abortion.
>>78959175
somebody's gettin BTFO
I never liked FF. The characters always seemed to be at their best when they were in other comics.
They've had a fantastic run from Fantastic Four/FF through the Avengers books till now. They desperately need a break, at least Reed and Sue do. And so does Doom for that matter, but Bendis shits things up as per usual.
>>78960443
>king of the universe
Anon pls, it ended with him as king of the MULTIVERSE.
>>78959325
In other words they're being put on the shelf until Marvel gets back the movie rights and they can be reintroduced to drum up hype for a Marvel-made Fantastic Four movie.
>>78960679
Doom was already absent for several years a while ago and didn't come back till Civil War.
>>78960679
>but Bendis shits things up as per usual.
Why? Unscarred Doom letting go of everything including his Doombots and Latveria is an interesting premise.
>>78960481
>baaah my favorites aren't getting pushed waaaah
>>78960874
One that will be overturned in about three years tops. The only major change in Marvel I can think of that's stuck was the death of Jean Grey, and they're probably going to bring her back this summer.
>>78959175
>Hickman: There are things that have not changed since the beginning of me working on this stuff, and I think those bits are kind of obvious. The thing that organically happened, which worked to our benefit, was the fact that it was advantageous to be writing what was essentially the last Fantastic Four story.
>I remember the summit where this became kind of the obvious thing, and I asked Mark Waid, "Are you cool with me doing things this way?" And he was. I had Mark's blessing, which was important to me. We kind of agreed on how it should be handled. All that happened early enough that it was actually going to make it more powerful, and as far as I can recall, that's kind of the only thing that changed, even though it ended up being a really big thing.
>Hickman: Yeah, and that was a conversation in the room. Something that was absolutely talked about was should they die? I had absolutely zero interest in telling that story. [Laughs] Because it runs completely contrary to everything that I feel about that franchise and everything that I feel about those characters. So we got to where we wanted to get to.
Props to Hickman for being against killing them off, as it seems several people at Marvel wanted to do
>>78959175
After the mosaic page we talked about we got a defining moment in the rivalry between Doom and Reed where Doom admits to Reed that he thinks Reed would have done a better job than him as "God." What did it cost Doom to admit this? And, Tom, to your knowledge and recall has Doom ever confessed something like this before?
Brevoort: I don't know that we've ever seen Doom confess something like this before, specifically. You might be able to find a story somewhere, though. I'm sure somebody will prove me wrong in the comments, but that's a fairly big admission from Doom, and ultimately, it cost him everything here. It's a big admission both figuratively and literally.
From the issue's final pages, it looks as though it was a sort of freeing admission for Doom as well.
Hickman: Yeah, I think so. People are free to interpret the story however they want to, but I think you could argue that Doom was, at times, the most heroic person in the story, and I think you could argue at the end that he won just as much as anybody else. That's one of the neat things about the story.
Brevoort: I think, too, and I've said this a couple of times over the weeks and months since the all-new, all-different Marvel Now books have been coming out, that "Secret Wars" #9 was pretty much unspoilable. This is a very good example of that.
That last page of #9 lands. It has great impact, despite the fact that Doom has been walking around in "Invincible Iron Man" for five issues with his face healed and looking perfectly normal. On the one hand, everybody going into this had to know something was going to happen and Doom was going to get his face fixed, but by the same token, I think you read the story, you get caught up in what's going on and you don't even think about it. Then, when you get to that last page, it still feels like a surprise. It still feels like a revelation, even though you've already seen it.
>>78960982
>the mosaic page
Y'know, I have the oddest feeling that Brevoort and others will try to tout their intentions as attempting to one-up a similar page from "Pax Americana" #1.
This one.
>Then, when you get to that last page, it still feels like a surprise. It still feels like a revelation, even though you've already seen it.
Yeah, no.
Y'know, come to think of it, what exactly DID change directly as a result of "Secret Wars"? Not changes made during the eight-month time gap, but stuff that changed directly through events in the "Secret Wars" event.
>>78959817
who is this fluid druid?
Didn't they say last year at ECCC or something that there would still be a still Fantastic Four book? Did that change? Did they lie?
>>78961159
Is that from Multiversity?
How is it?
Morrison is very hit or miss for me.
>>78961339
Stuff like Pax Americana and The Just are kinda eh. Thunderworld Adventures is wonderful fun. The second Multiversity issue is fantastic.
>>78961301
Tom Brevoort said at some point prior to May 2014 that "a year from now we'll still be publishing Fantastic Four". FF ended in May 2015, so he technically didn't lie
>>78961394
>Pax Americana
I couldn't even finish that issue, I thought it was terrible.
I don't know why everyone loves it desu
>>78961394
The title and page made me particularly interested in the Pax segment.
Damned shame it's not up to snuff.
So if I understand it correctly, 616 Susan is officially dead and the new one from Secret Wars is taking her place, which means marvel has now officially taken every female hero I cared about away from me...
>>78961159
Miles Morales became a part of 616 and got his family back thanks to that hamburger? Besides that and all the other refugees that weren't made part of the main Earth (if Miles even did)? I got nothing.
>>78960940
>thinking anyone will ever undo the new Bendis quo while Bendis is still with Marvel, and has Team Bendis to back him up.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nigga, do you even know who you're talking about? He's the master of Marvel, the king of comics, the future Editor-in-Chief. He has 2 shows based on his creations, Powers and Jessica Jones, and someday Mile Morales will be the next Spider-man in movies or TV.
Sorry mate, but Bendis is the King of Marvel. Those on Team Bendis will guard any and all storylines created by Bendis, or expand on it. I mean look at this shit >>77869998 →
Once he finally runs Marvel, we will enter an era of Bendis continuity. As long as there's a franchise with a movie or TV show, it won't be safe from Bendis Continuity.
He's the future Editor-in-Chief of Marvel, and the other writers at Marvel know it. The ones that aren't with him are off doing Star Wars.
>>78961339
I liked it.
>>78961394
>>78961437
>>78961441
Y'all niggas trippin'.
>>78961557
Yeah, other than Miles and his friends/family becoming Earth-616 denizens as a result of Owen paying Miles Tuesday for a hamburger today.
>>78961578
You really gotta change up your copypasta, dog. At least change the dead link to something within the thread itself, y'know?
>>78961578
Why does /co/ make such terrible memes?
>>78961431
I distinctly recall someone who was not Brevoort saying that the book would exist post Secret Wars. I can't find it though.
>>78961705
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/so-what-happens-to-the-fantastic-four-after-secret-wars-spoilers/
Here's bleedingcool stating the announcement did happen, but I can't actually find the announcement.
>>78961647
The dead link is what makes it funny, like how the "secretly everyone loves bendis" pasta needs a picture of kitty pryde with it.
>>78961808
Ehh, it just reeks of being lazy.
Personally, I'd also suggest finding a way to compress it from the wall of text it currently is. Copypasta works best when it's either so short it could have been written by anybody, or so long that it could have only been written by an edgelord or an autist.
That's just me, though.
>>78961159
Didnt they get rid of the Multiverse?
>>78962158
Nope, Franklin and the rest of them are off creating the multiverse again. Now if the multiverse is the same or different depends on who you ask but we know it's infinite still so what's the point? Basically it lets them ignore continuity when convenient and renumber things.
>>78960246
Robinson's run was fun but it was obviously not intended to go on for long, just fill time until Secret Wars. Brevoort even stopped editing the book when it went to Robinson and gave it to Mark Paniccia, Marvel's king of books that the top editors won't do.
Giving the book to Fraction was clearly a mistake, but to be fair we don't know exactly what happened to derail his run. When Fraction got the FF Marvel still seemed to care about it and X-Men, but in 2013 they turned sharply against anything they didn't own for the MCU.
>>78961455
No, its 616 Sue.
Sounds like an interesting and deep enough change of pace that might actually result in meaningful developments in multiple characters histories, unlike a simple random gimmick like putting Peter Parker in charge of a business in Asia.
>>78961159
>what exactly DID change directly as a result of "Secret Wars"
Doom's face and Reed's direct family being written out of 616. That's really about it.
>>78962502
By they, you mean Perlmutter, and Perlmutter's word is law.
>>78962613
This must be satire.
>>78960246
Robinson was ok, I hated Fraction's so much that I think hes a hack now.
>>78959669
Marvel's future.
>>78961159
>What exactly DID change directly as a result of "Secret Wars"?
Let's see:
>Multiple alt-universe characters ending up in 616
>Miles' mom being brought back
>Weirdworld ending up in 616
>Creation of Battlerealm for the Contest of Champions.
>Multiversal refresh resulting in the creation of ISO-8
>Doom's face is healed
>Wakanda brought back to its former glory
>Reed, Sue, Franklin, Val, and the Future Foundation are off recreating/exploring the multiverse so no longer in 616 (I was going to include Owen too, but since he's putting a piece of himself in every universe Franklin creates, that means he'd have to have a slice of himself in 616 too)
>Ultimate Thor's hammer ending up in 616 Asgard with a worthiness enchantment
That's all I can think of.
>>78962158
I'm halfway positive that the Multiverse is literally unchanged, or at least it will be unchanged when writers default to the previous list that's up on Wikipedia and don't try to go full "Multiversity" with the Marvel multiverse.
>>78962622
So that's Doom's face, the Storms going MIA, and Miles going 616.
>>78962800
Oh, all this too, I guess.
Still, doesn't feel quite as "Nothing will ever be the same" as was advertised and implied.
>>78960246
It was ok. It was obvious that he wasn't allowed to create any new characters and was pressured to do something "un-adaptable" from higher ups.
So he pretty much was forced to try create something out of all of the FF's forgotten characters and story materials (i.e. Heroes Reborn, She-Thing, Puppet Master).
Somehow it was still better than Mark Millar & Fraction's runs.
>>78959175
Is it wrong that i'd rather they be put in limbo then see them get "MCU-ified".
Considering how Marvel is butchering Kirby's inhumans designs i'd hate to see what they do to the FF.
>>78960951
>Based Hickman saved the FF
Fuck I love this man
>>78962968
>Still, doesn't feel quite as "Nothing will ever be the same" as was advertised and implied.
Don't worry about it, it was clearly rushed and doesn't make sense even within its own universe. Avengers, TRO, Secret Wars all that shit wasn't ever an FF story until like issue 7 when Hickman realized he had no ending. How can there be no Beyonders in this at all.
>>78959393
>>78959806
>>78959940
>Brevoort tried to claim that Marvel doesn't have the merchandising rights so they can't use the FF or X-Men
Such bullshit. Fuck Issac Perlmutter,
FUCK MARVEL
ALL FOR THE MOVIE RIGHTS
HE BASICALLY ADMITTED IT
>>78963113
Doom should be yelling "RICHAAAAARDS!!!"
How many times has the FF been a real flagship book for Marvel? When Lee and Kirby were doing it it was probably *the* flagship Marvel book, where the whole idea of the Marvel Universe was created. But after Kirby left it was a long slog of writers and artists doing good-but-not-great work.
It was a very important book again under Byrne because of Byrne's star power, and then it was important again with Hickman. That's probably about it. (I liked Waid's run for example, but because Bill Jemas didn't like it it doesn't really feel like a book where big and important things happen in the MU.)
>>78963199
Wait, what's the context here?
>>78963368
>big and important things happen in the MU
Those didn't happen in Hickman's, either; I'd argue Waid's, Simonson's, and Defalco/Ryan's had more impact on the MU. His was right place, right time more than anything.
>>78963474
Maybe the Johnny Storm stuff felt bigger because it was acknowledge in Slott's Spider-Man. Waid felt like he was hovering around the edges of the MU, though that might just be because of the way things were done in the Jemas era, with most of the books kept separate from each other (like Kang took over the world in AVENGERS and no one else mentioned it).
>>78963426
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/hickman-brevoort-discuss-secret-wars-end-ushering-in-the-new-marvel-universe
Shitty site. Fuck Tom Brevoort FUCK YOU MARVEL
>>78959175
The ending of Secret Wars really struck me as something that would concern the new ULTIMATES team.
and I think Al Ewing could do some cool stuff with the Richards/FF, so I'd love to see them tie-in eventually.
>>78963602
>Maybe the Johnny Storm stuff felt bigger because it was acknowledge in Slott's Spider-Man.
Then Waid's was certainly bigger, as he managed to keep Doom out of the MU for more than just 11 months.
A lot of the "segragated" books of the Jemas era were towards the beginning, honestly (though yes, the Kang example is surely an awful consequence of Jemas' tenure).
>>78959393
I'm okay with the Avengers being pushed. X-Men and Spidey were all you saw on promo stuff for literally decades. The reasons for it feel silly, but I'm glad what is supposed to be the AAA super team in the marvel U is the most popular rather than characters who are supposed to be more obscure and less popular in-universe. That always felt weird to me.
>>78963728
FF hasn't been the central MU book since the 60s. Yeah Byrne had an Amazing run but even during that period Uncanny was the flagship title. Avengers if course is the absolute top dog now even though it's pretty consistently crap for long stretches because it has to deal with a half dozen solo titles plus 4 or 5 team books. Not even 90s Xmen had to deal with so much garbage.
>>78959806
I will never get over how fucking Celestials are in that poster and not Galactus. That should be his space.
Marvel should just pay whatever it takes to get the FF rights back. I can live with the xbooks being in a permanent ghetto because honestly that works better for the writing anyway but FF is much more central and it's unclear that anyone can make a decent FF movie. Hell I have doubts about Marvel being able to do a decent FF movie.
>>78965360
>get the rights back
>immediantly declare bankruptcy because Fox wants every last dime
It feels very very wrong without all of them being there.
Completely wrong.
>>78965360
All it needs is a middle (or at least middling) aged Reed, a halfway manly Ben Grimm, and a lighthearted tone.
Raimi would've done well.
>>78965876
Give it to Brad Bird.
>>78965951
As long as he stays the fuck away from Lindelof, it could work.
>>78960940
She is already back.
>>78961657
Because you keep replying to them
>>78962800
>>Ultimate Thor's hammer ending up in 616 Asgard with a worthiness enchantment
Wait what?
>>78963158
I was wondering, what happened with the Beyonders and withe THE Beyonder? Is he dead?
>>78960940
They have Teen Jean for that.
>>78966598
This is during the final battle after Jane brings the Thors to the fight.
>>78967459
>>78967474
>>78967493
>>78959175
They are going to make Johnny Storm black now when they return
screencap this shit
>>78967584
Kind of hard to do that when Johnny is already in two ANAD books and hasn't changed at all outside of a new non-F4 outfit.
>>78967624
In fact, he just appeared in Squadron Supreme #3 and Uncanny Avengers #4 today, still white both times.
>>78959393
The lack of Fantastic Four is a bit sad, but if you're upset at the lack of X-Men, then I have no sympathy for you.
>>78968020
>>78960246
Robinson wants a Jim Hammond book so fucking bad
just give it to him Marvel
he'd probably draw it himself
>>78962734
and the Allred's are responsible for FF right?
Fraction dipped that after like one issue
So Marvel is no longer allowed to use their oen fucking characters?
The FF is Marvel's iconic first family. And theyre just tossing it aside?
>>78968328
Nah, Fraction dipped 2/3rds of the way through. The last like 7 issues are by the Allreds. And they were making it with the Marvel Method in the first place, which tends to be more artist driven.
>>78968288
Oh yeah he puts Jim on everything, bet Invaders was his dream comic but you know how that went.
>>78960951
Of vourse Hickman would dave the FF it has his fav characters and it shows that he loves the team as a whole.
Also as always Marvel is kill happy.
>>78961159
If that was their intention then they failed, what makes Morrison's shit great is the fact that he synchs with his artists really well and one of the artists that gets him well his Quitely.
Hickman probably just dumped the script on Ribic and Brevoort probably had the mosaic idea and told Ribic to include it and that type of shit is not Ribic's forte (and it showed a lot in SW because his art was weak, just compare it to Thor and Loki Blood Brothers or even Aaron's Thor run)
>>78962800
616 Thor Odinson is MIA no one knows where he is.
>>78964644
>The reasons for it feel silly, but I'm glad what is supposed to be the AAA super team in the marvel U is the most popular rather than characters who are supposed to be more obscure and less popular in-universe. That always felt weird to me.
imo, that was always Marvels charm and what made it different from DC. If I wanted the most popular heroes to be the highlight acclaimed ones I'd go with Justice League. At least it felt like it was earned there.
>>78970456
I also think that it was reused art, as the two faces are way out of alignment for the effect to work properly, and it just looks like a mess.
>>78965600
>Reed
>Sue
>Val
>Frank
that's 4 right there homie
>>78970456
>>78971114
I just realized another potential influence on the page.
>>78963181
Moreover, it's explicitly untrue. I just bought this statue earlier this month, and it looks great on my desk. It's one of a series of eight X-Men statues based on the very recent comics. Obviously Marvel can and does produce at least some merch based on these properties, they just mostly choose not to.
>>78960443
>Well, it ended with yet more Reed cock sucking and him as the king of the universe, so he at least got a happy ending.
Doom pls
You got a happy ending, too.
Although you're now stuck in a Bendis book. Truly a fate worse than death.
>>78963280
Nah. Truly villainous Doom deserves to be defeated by the Thing.
>>78960982
IIRC, this story was written by Duane McDuffie.
>>78973060
>>78967624
I bet anything that Franklin and Val will be significantly older when they show up again.
>>78959806
Do you ever notice how small the Marvel Universe looks without all the X or F4 characters.
They spent decades developing the mutant population due to the X-popularity only to try and kill half of the characters in their universe.Is Marvel actually Thanos?
>>78961455
No, read ending of the last issue of Secret Wars again.
>>78962672
Has anything ever been as pointless and stupid as Nick's fate in Original Sin? I hope Reed and Franklin undid that shit.
>>78967507
I've always thought U Thor's hammer looked more like an ax.
>>78970456
>and it showed a lot in SW because his art was weak, just compare it to Thor and Loki Blood Brothers or even Aaron's Thor run)
Or you could compare SW to Hickman's Ultimates runs, where Ribic got most of U Reed's faces from to reuse. See >>78963199
>>78973060
>>78973081
This was alternate future Dr. Doom, not 616 (or should I say Prime) Dr Doom. Normal Victor has never been willing to admit something as big as "Reed would have done a better job as God"
>>78959175
>Now, there are some people who will look at this ending and all they'll see is Marvel putting Reed, Sue, Franklin and these other characters on a shelf because of movie rights. Is that fair?
But it quite clearly is what they're doing. And we all know as soon as they get the rights back (likely right before a big anniversary) the F4 will reunite and marvel will be singing the praises of the World's Greatest Comic Magazine or whatever they tout the series as. I just wish they'd fucking buy back the rights already. THEY CLEARLY HAVE THE MONEY.
I guess it's better PR to have another company failing to use comic characters to make a movie so the rest of the MCU movies look better by comparison, it's such a bullshit move letting others butcher shit like the F4 just to make shit like Iron Man (of all characters) look better. Can't wait till we get an F4 movie from someone that understands the fucking concept of the series/characters.
>>78974540
They tried buying. They even offered multiple switches of other IPs or to share.
Fox refused, and since then Marvel wont have anythibg to do with them.
>>78960731
They'd never do such a thing.
Surely
So exactly why is Fraction's run so bad?
I was gonna buy the omni at some point.
Dissuade me anons.
>>78959325
Dead No More?
>>78975103
his ff was okay
his fantastic four was boring and I don't like bagley
just heard there's going to be a Civil War 2
I wish I hadn't stopped reading comics out of boredom so I could stop reading comics on general principal
>>78975532
If only that was only Marvel's event that'll get sequel.
atleast the would the end is fourever ordeal makes some sense now because the arc was just like any other
>>78959669
>>78959705
Do they actually think they're dead? Johnny says that Reed and Sue are "gone", not that they're dead.
Furthermore, Peter Parker says that the Baxter Building will be returned to the FF when they inevitably come back, which he wouldn't say if he thought they were dead.
>>78960246
I mean it was readable but it had some stupid shit in it, like doing yet another goddamn "abloo bloo bloo Reed and Johnny, you ruined muh one chance at being human again!" Thing story. As if we needed yet another one of those. Out of all the possible retconned in secrets, I can't understand why Robinson felt it prudent to recycle one of the worst F4 tropes.
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>>78973081
what comic is this? looks rad
>>78960982
The mosaic page didn't work at all. It just looked completely awkward and completely ruined any tension that was meant to be shown between Doom and Reed
>>78962800
>Doom's face is healed
this happened like so many times already, not that new
I don't get why is everyone is so surprised by it
>>78976983
Fantastic Four #542–553. Probably 554. This page is my favorite.
>>78977020
For those curiousNamor is a robot created by future Doctor Doom
>>78977074
But it is funnier without context.
>>78961578
i cant wait for that fucker to choke on a hoagie so someone could undo that iceman bullshit
>>78966598
does this means we get OG Thor back with a new badass Axehammer?
>>78977020
being Namor (real or otherwise) is suffering
>>78974799
>we will give you Black Widow, you give us X-Men
Would you accept?
>>78978728
Fucking no one would take that deal. The one that Marvel offered Fox was "You keep Daredevil, and we get Silver Surfer and Galactus" which Fox refused.
And now Daredevil is the best thing in the MCU while the F4 movie was a massive blunder that didn't even use SS or Galactus in the first place.
>>78960336
>Marin
Who?
>>78978811
>"You keep Daredevil, and we get Silver Surfer and Galactus"
Those negotiations must be hilariously nerdy.
>>78959175
he doesn't deny that this is over movie rights though.
>>78959384
Robinson really did shit out a terrible end run though. I'd like to see the FF remain a relic of the bygone Marvel age.
>>78960022
And that is why people hate you, Hickman.
>>78979462
Funny, that's why I like him.
>>78978811
Fox will NEVER EVER sell the rights because they know Doom is an ultimate deal. They aren't stupid.
>>78979462
>>78979524
Even Hickman's Dr. Doom tulpa hates Hickman.
>>78979422
Yup. The fact that he doesn't deny it outright is suspicious.
