All new wolverine
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>>78948520
He can see which one is worst girl
>>78948532
hey looks its mister awesome facial hair bro
>>78948541
Holy shit 50% off. What a deal
>>78948552
>sniktboob is scary to doctor strange
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>>78948567
>guys on the internet mainly
Yeah okay, fair enough.
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>>78948567
Was it really necessary? Why spoiling such a beautiful moment with the fake internet outrage that did not happen
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>>78948647
It wasn't as bad as Thor was but they really need to stop with this the "the internet nerds don't like me" bit. There isn't a need to bring it up.
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>>78948665
So I'm assuming this isn't actually an MRI chamber right? Because if it is, both Laura and Strange are fucking retarded.
>>78948665
>There isn't a need to bring it up.
exactly. it only makes them look insecure.
>>78948686
We magic school bus now
>>78948700
that's all
>>78948708
It was okay. Dr Strange turned out to be his usual useless self, but it was okay.
Bellona x Bellona porn when?
>>78948578
I was kind of hoping for Man-Thing. Can you blame me?
>>78948850
He's not so aggressive, he's like a sloth. a sltoh that can set you on fire.
>>78948862
I think the White Haired one would be angry enough to set Man-Thing off.
>>78948708
Yay wasp time
>>78948567
>meta-commentary
Fucking dropped. I swear to god stuff your head up your own ass must be a job requirement to work at Marvel.
>>78948532
Dear lord some demon has taken hold of Laura
>>78948700
"inner snikt" - heheheh.
I like this book.
>>78948585
that's racist
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>>78948916
When (and if) you as a creative person is met with only shit, trollings and negativity, you sort of want to point it out. And knowing the chans, negativity is all you get, no matter what you do.
It has a pattern - new writer (or artist or colourist) arrive, everybody loves 'em because they're not like the old hated ones, then they have maybe a few years where their work is appreciated, then comes the hate. Every time, regular as clockwork.
People who do nothing themselves, whinge childishly about those who work.
Thankfully it's only a small group, the knee-jerk haters that is.
Those who like will silently buy the work and enjoy.
Why do you think so few creative professionals are on the net?
>>78948691
I think this was legitimately funny, as opposed to Thor, which was stupid posturing.
This was more self-aware, a short wink acknowledging the fact as opposed to a preachy demonstration of contempt and delusion.
Laura states that there is no attempt to replace Logan going on and that she is basically just trying to honor the legacy.
This is not hitting strawmen, this is a bit of a clarification on the author's side.
Is this very witty? Not really. But it's not "I'm right because vagina!", either.
I give it a pass.
>>78948981
>When (and if) you as a creative person is met with only shit, trollings and negativity, you sort of want to point it out.
1) it's juvenile
2) don't feed the troll rule
3) comic book acknowledging memes and internetspeak is not a good thing, and makes the comic dated.
4) ignoring the positive side, or pretending it doesn't exist is low move
>>78948598
That baby's seen some shit.
>>78948982
The thing is, Laura actually has every right in the world to replace Logan. Also, what is frustrating about that scene is that page before she got very serious, in a Laura way, only to go "lol, I'm so messed up".
>>78948981
My problem with meta-commentary like this is it points out the fiction. Immersion is a key element for a book, and this stuff breaks that immersion.Also its become pretty obvious Tom Taylor has never read a single thing involving Laura before and isn't even trying to line up her characterization in this book with past appearances
>>78949008
>and makes the comic dated.
And this is a bad thing because?
>>78948532
>You'll never gonna see the girls group hug Logan.
>You'll never gonna see them eat pancakes, have BBQ or watch Hockey together.
why live
>>78948541
>Secret Fucking Defenders #1 framed
wew lad
>>78948981
It's fucking childish and screams of having a bruised little ego. Be an adult and stop caring about internet trolls and "haters". Do the best work you can and find the opinions that have value and are of actual worth. Giving a shit about internet bullies should stop after high school.
Go to bed Tom, its past midnight.
>>78949008
You're blowing this out of proportions.
It's one fucking line and you would complain even harder is there was acknowledgement of positive feedback because it would look like blowing his own horn.
And you really can't include a meta-analysis of feedback within the comic because that would be completely beside the point.
It's one line hinting at the existence of backlash.
>>78949058
because dated references are always cringey.
I read some old Batman comic today, and Robin is so impressed at Batman that he listened to his Janis Joplin record.
>>78949058
Same reason topical jokes are the lowest tier of comedy. They're only good in the context of a certain timeframe and once the references are no longer culturally relevant it becomes worthless.
>>78949080
>It's one line hinting at the existence of backlash.
While I agree with the rest of your points, I will only repeat what I originally said. It wasn't necessary, I still like the comic, I just hope that in future the writer will avoid such stuff.
>>78949081
I would argue that it works again now.
It would make him a /mu/ hipster.
Would have been better if it was Velvet Underground, though.
And the joke here is not even topical, but just a mode of technology. It will only become outdated when the Internet is replaced. And by that logic you can't show technology because it ages to irrelevance within the decade.
In that regard, public opinion online will likely be a thing for longer than most things in this comic.
>>78948708
>Wasp
The only reason why I'm reading this
>>78949065
Feedback and criticism is wonderful, it excites and feeds creativity.
Bullying kills it - utterly and completely. Creative people ARE sensitive, it's what makes them creative. It's also what makes them go away and do something else somewhere private.
I was a pro, but I have removed myself from that word entirely. I've stopped creating.
My drive is dead - probably because I was too sensitive and had expected mature criticism and response. The urge to create is gone, all it brought was sorrow,
Now I'm a reader/watcher instead, and I love the creators who can create, despite the bullying and I understand when they vent their spleen and support them the best I can.
I have a menial job and a lot less stress.
>>78949155
cry more
>>78949140
>hipster
not even once
>>78949098
Reasonable, but I can't agree in your conclusion to the degree of absolute opposition to the concept, albeit common sense dictates the limitation of such to retain the tone.
>>78949155
>Creative people ARE sensitive
Pain also is the best stimuli for the art. The best art is created through pain.
>My drive is dead
My harddrive is dead, and I don't remove myself from anything. Were you a poet? It seems that you still have it in you. You would be a good writer of Linkin Park songs. Your post already made my skin crawl
>>78949202
It's only my opinion, or should I say, my concern. I really like this book, and I don't think it needs the same tactics as other books lead by females, like Hellcat or Thor. All in all, I will wait and see. I still remain hopeful, so I hope that Taylor won't screw it up somewhere along the way. I also forget that Marvel actually likes stirring shit, so it's possible that it was the editors idea, rather than Taylor's.
>>78948567
We don't disapprove...Laura was set up nicely in Wolverines for this...
>>78949203
Pain growing out of the artist, pain the demands relief and expression.
Rejection and fear from outside sources are less conductive, especially when directed against the art.
You see a hundred thousand songs about love and loss because they inspire, but no songs about how assholes online feel you are a bad person and you should just stop.
>>78949088
I'm pretty sure the writter don't really care if people will get the joke in 30 years, he write for people who will read the comics now. Most writter do that.
>>78949203
Great, see what you've done? This post of yours referencing Linkin Park is very, very dated.
>>78949164
I did my crying, your kind can't touch me anymore.
>>78949257
Yeps, what you said.
>>78949263
That my dear anon is what we call a "hack" and why the comic industry is full of them.
>writter
>>78949088
Because people won't be bitching about who takes over as a super-hero 20 years from now?
>>78949257
>but no songs about how assholes online feel you are a bad person and you should just stop.
I don't like this song, but here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K67veEPOYM
You can use it to create, or you can get drowned in it. You think that people don't shit on my art? They do, but it's a good cold shower. I will never try to please people, I will keep doing my stuff, however, it gave me a kick in trying some new ideas.
>>78948665
>mri machine
>radiations
>>78948689
well maybe adamantium is not magnetic
>>78949277
Of course. It was supposed to be cringey.
Also, I stopped caring about pop-culture after 2005, when I discovered internet, and I am stuck in pre-2005 pop culture references. There is no salvation for me. But then again, maybe there never was, since I am here.
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>>78949155
I'm sorry you guys have so much bitch in you.
>>78949297
Because people are mechanical monkeys, who ape shit other, higher form of intelligence does.
>>78949316
>well maybe adamantium is not magnetic
Why you gotta do this to me so early in the morning...
>>78949297
I was speaking generally not about this specific instance.
>>78949316
>well maybe adamantium is not magnetic
Boy, if only Logan or Laura had met someone with magnetic powers, that would settle the issue.
>>78949286
Damn I didn't know that Victor Hugo was an hack, les Miserables is full of dated reference and social commentaries on his time.
>>78949370
>Comparing high state of art to a lousy comic
>>78948552
Wait, Laura having been a teen whore is still canon? I thought that they had retconned NYX.
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>>78949337
it's not ferromagnetic or paramagnetic or diamagnetic. That better?
magneto ccan affect the electromagnetic spectrum of things, he's not limited to magnetic things, that's why he can make people fly
>>78949244
Sure. Nice that you care rather than dismissively shitpost.
>>78949245
I think this is more directed at pre-release nonsense where the typical non-reading regressive crowd bitched as usual. Which is hard on writers because they have no way to react to that.
What are you going to do?
I think Marvel needs a policy to shelter the artists from the worst fallout of hate mob mentality.
Not vetting twitter, but to set up counselling and putting things into perspective, taking them off the social networks, maybe set up a specific channel for feedback from readers only.
Someone talked about access codes in physical and digital issues.
Because Internet hate mobs are becoming a problem for artists who have hug boxes turn on them and destroy them.
>>78949370
Les Miserables is about timeless themes like social condemnation, stuggles of poverty, and so on framed in the history of France. That's different from some joke about Paris Hilton being a slut base on Paris Hilton being a slut like some robot chicken sketch.
>>78949409
nope canon and canon forever
>>78948532
Oh for fucks sake she looks way too much like Jessica Drew in that fourth panel. Laura should never smile that wide.
>>78949409
It's okay it was just bloodplay, nothing more.that's my story and I'm sticking to it
>>78949389
Okay. Shakespeare wrote for the mob, can his lousy renaissance dick jokes make him a hack?
>>78949494
Dick jokes are fucking timeless, anon.
>>78948665
>There isn't a need to bring it up.
Arguably there is. They need to lionize their new target audience into buying the book and generate buzz with controversy, even if they have to manufacture that controversy themselves.
No one would care about a female Thor if not for the fact that they made a big huge deal about how the gamergate nerds hated it.
>>78949515
As a concept, yes. But if you read R&D, 1st act, 1st scene, you will see a ton of terribly dated phrases and puns.
Or would you expect the current audience to guess what "taking the wall" from someone means? What about carrying coals?
Language and frames of reference have always changed. They simply change more quickly now.
And we never get to see all the mediocre plays taking the piss on local monarchs and current events of 1456.
>>78949494
Except Shakespeare shook the rules of traditional plays. He was an innovator. And yes, his sexual innuendos and dick jokes are timeless.
>>78948567
> give this book a shot, because syrange
>its pretty ok
> this page
Well screw you then.
>>78949614
You do realize that people teach Shakespeare in school? Any dated reference is explained by teachers. You have books dedicated to understanding Shakespeare. His books are also very important for the reasons you mention, like history, evolution of art. Shakespeare is too important to become dated.
>>78948665
Laura you dumb broad, you need to clear the room because you have adamantium metal all over your body.
>>78948633
>gnome incident
I want to know more about that story
>>78948686
>Sorcerer Supreme's magic is useless.
If he ever uses magic to fight nanotech at some point, I will call bullshit on this.
>>78949896
I'll guess gnomes invaded the hospital to steal some medical equipment or something, Strange banished them to somewhere like Asgard or the negative zone and the hospital gave him an unlimited hall pass
Still on the fence about the series, but it's starting to win me over.
>>78950198
I read the 1-3 the other day and actually caught myself being excited for this lol. It's not a bad story so far.
>>78948678
should have flashed her tits
>>78949317
Heh, I knew that you knew it was cringey.
>>78950577
And I knew that you knew that I know. However, in the end, it doesn't really matter.
>>78948850
Can't introduce Man-Thing into a book without him stealing the show Anon.
>>78948943
Sniktphobic piece of shit.
>>78949461
>it's not ferromagnetic or paramagnetic or diamagnetic. That better?
No, because beyond a shadow of a doubt adamantium IS affected by magnetism, not just super special Magneto powers but things like a giant magnet at a scrapyard.
That page is fucking dumb.
>>78950352Which one?
>>78951074
Undertale is garbage.
It was a fun read, little clone is cute
>>78948567
>using meta
>2016
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>78948567
If this page alone was removed, this would be a solid 8.5/10 book
>>78949245
Honestly I have no problem with Laura as Wolverine - I actually quite like the broad strokes of this story, even - but I hate the Bendising that happened to her, especially her dialogue. She talks like literally every other teen girl character, even in flashbacks before Bendis' character 'development'.
Also her leaving Elixir to die in Wolverines.
>>78948532
Gabby is cute. CUTE!
>>78948541
>Dat Secret Defenders cover
Yes Sir!
>>78948552
Zebra Daddy! X-23 still confirmed for doin' thangs
>>78948567
Obligatory Nerd Jab, you're so witty Marvel.
okay issue, I still don't like the sisters and this book seems to be becoming Wolverine Team-Up, we need some original villains STAT.
>>78948879
Man-Thing's powers are triggered by fear, not anger.
>>78948918
>Dear lord some demon has taken hold of Laura
>taken hold of
>not taken the place of
>>78949409
Kyle/Yost vaguely acknowledged it several times in their books and Liu based half her run on it.
>>78953683
Somehow I always wanted to see Laura in a cheerleader outfit, got my wish
>>78948532
>X-23 cracking a huge smile
I understand character progression but this feels out of characterjust like most of the book
>>78948552
You would think this page means Taylor actually read X-23 comics.
But from interviews I know that the artist really does. So I'd much rather assume this page comes from Taylor telling his artist to fill the page as he pleased.
As opposed to thinking Taylor knows all of this, but constantly chooses to ignore it.
>>78949783
Door says radiation hazard. So I assume the artist just didn't know what an X-ray machine looked like. And doesn't know how an MRI works.
It's pretty damn dumb.
>>78948686
>this is beyond my magic and beyond my medicine
Oh it's the Aunt May virus.
>>78948700
This is the exact opposite to Liu's run.
Now the story is fine, but the characterisation is dull.
>>78954183
She got a bullet lodged in her? Fuck.
>>78954313
This, exactly this.
But by marvel standards, this book is great.
>>78951163
Here's your response.
>>78949014
I was about to write these exact same words.
>>78948567
This page is offensive on so many levels. I'm a new reader, stop beating me over the head with meta-commentary.
>>78948567
Im starting to get a strong defensive vibe from all this dismissal of critique because its from the internet bullshit.
Just feels like they know they are producing crap and trying to downplay it by dismissing the critique preemptively.
>>78948567
>how mad you people are getting at this
Thank fuck the only reason I use this shit board is for storytimes
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>>78948600
C'mon, Tom... This would've been the perfect place to squeeze in one of your "NYAAAARGH!"s,,,
...or is that strictly a DC thing for him...
>>78955597
bait
>>78948678
No one in the Marvel Universe gets paid enough to deal with this shit.
>>78948700
No body ever just ASK to borrow the Antman suit. It's just implied you steal it.
>>78955661
>not passionate about something retarded
>bait
K
>>78948581
I approve her, i just disapprove whor.
if at least she took of the helmet and used her name with the title of goddess of thunder would be much more respectable.
>>78948532
>another issue of generic teenage girl in X-23's body
kill me
>>78948700
come on, asking help to Parker or Stark would be much more easier and reasonable.
>>78948567
How Kyle/Yost would have written this page
>Laura: I have hurt. I... have been hurt. Do I deserve salvation?
>Strange: There is great rage in you. But unlike Logan, you can control it. Channel it... perhaps to frightening degree.
>You are his rightful replacement.
>Laura: I am aware of others' disapproval. But I am not him. I am not sure of what I am.
>While I am wearing this, he is with me. I am Laura Kinney. X-23. Wolverine.
>Strange: Logan would be very proud of you.
>Laura Kinney: ...
>He would most likely prefer that I drink beer.
>The sisters deserve your help as much as I do.
>Strange: How?
>Laura: Their minds have been manipulated. They are immune to pain at the cost of their lives.
>>78955634
>...or is that strictly a DC thing for him...
He was doing it a bunch in Superior Iron Man too.
>>78956071
Astonishing Wolverine-Man!
>>78957206
Ant-skikt!
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>>78948495
She really doesn't look cool with the mask on
>>78948672
That's something very few people can say.
>>78957105
How could people stomach that Vulcan crap?
>>78957578
you're right every character should be a generic teen who's ~JUST LIKE YOU~ regardless of their backstory or character history
>>78957608
I'd rather the character evolve over the years to gain some semblance of a personality beyond BEEP BOOP I AM X-23 EVERY MOMENT OF MY LIFE IS PAIN AND SUFFERING I AM A KILLER I AM A KILLER I AM A KILLER I AM A KILLER.
>>78957652
>I'd rather the character evolve over the years to gain some semblance of a personality
Too bad they never did that.
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>>78955429
>All these people legitimately booty bothered over that line of dialogue
maximum kek you are exactly the people they're talking about. If you didn't give a fuck or her replacing Logan wasn't a big deal to you you wouldn't be so offended. Your response would be "kek manbabbys btfo" like mine was.
>>78957652
So when you're saying Laura has no personality, what you're really saying is that she doesn't have a personality that you like.
>>78957652
But she did have a personality. You may have put it in a reductionist way that demonstrates how you dislike it, but you couldn't have done that if she didn't have a personality. Tell me, what's her personality in this book?
>>78958205
False dichotomy. Cringeworthy dialogue is cringeworthy dialogue, regardless of political alignment. I personally think anyone who has a problem with Laura being Wolverine is a manbabby and I also think the line is stupid and has no business coming out of Laura's mouth. If it were Jubilee or Kitty Pryde or someone, it would make more sense. But not Laura. This would be like Spider-Man saying "Verily, we must venture forth!" unironically.
>>78948567
Yeah, cause Wolverine was concerned about what people on the internet thought of him. You ARE the perfect replacement!
Now we just need a sober female Stark and a humorless female Parker, oh wait, we already have Silk don't we?
>>78957652
>complete overhaul of character's personality out of nowhere
>evolution
fuck you and this meme
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>>78959932
Cute
>>78957578
Because it's refreshing after nothing but generic Bendis crap. There's like ONE female character in comics these days and it's this obnoxious quipping teenage failure.
>Vulvarine
Nice.
>>78961153
So i've been out of the loop with xmen, is that Angel from the past X-Men? Why does he have fire wings?
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>>78961269
Also that's kinda cute. Laura is able to be happy. This is good.
>>78948567
>guys on the Internet mainly
I wonder how writers that read /co/ manage to have every single sentences of their works picked apart yet learn absolutely nothing from the experience
>>78950352
Buddy pls
>>78962198
05 version
>>78961620
Better.
>>78958205
I literally do not give a flying fuck about Laura replacing Logan. I support it even.
I hate this horribly cringeworthy dialogue because it's horrible cringeworthy dialogue that takes me out of the story.
https://youtu.be/ESUn4lt-SDU
>>78948585
AND MY AXE!
>>78965742
>blue eyes
>freckles
>lipstick
it's shit
>>78967906
Oh god I just noticed how pointy the knees are and now I can't look at that picture no more.
>>78969617
Must be a liefield fan.
>>78970053
I loved phil art. Even trough he suffers from sameface sometimes.
>>78948532
>tfw gabby will never be your little sister
Yellow Wolverine costume looked cool on Logan, but it's shit on Laura. I'd prefer her version of his X-Force suit. Or her old X-Force suit. Kyle/Yost/Remender eras X-Force had the coolest suits.
>>78948567
LOL NECKBEARDS GETTIN CALLED OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Based
>>78960329
>kneecaps
Fuuuu
>>78948495
>POSTING A STORYTIME OUT OF ORDER
For fucking shame.
Post in order next time, mother fucker!
Now i bid you farwell and goodnight
