>Teenage Rebecca Sugar writes fanfiction about Invader Zim getting redeemed, realizing humans are good, and making friends with his former enemies
>when she gets TV show she makes a character that kind of looks and acts a lot like Invader Zim
>After they are the villain for a while she has them getting redeemed, realizing humans are good, and making friends with his former enemies
Are there any other examples of artists creating characters that are essentially wish fulfillment of already existing characters?
The only one I can think of is Bendis literally being able to write wish fulfillment stories about his waifu Kitty Pryde.
Peridot isn't incompetent shes just ignorant
>>78854275
Batman Beyond had a character that was blatantly Kraven in every way but appearance, and an episode that was a Fantastic 4 Au
>>78854275
>Are there any other examples of artists creating characters that are essentially wish fulfillment of already existing characters?
Hell, a lot of ancient Greek plays and later literature connected to mythology or legend (say the King Arthur stories) was LITERALLY fanfiction wish fulfillment about existing characters.
But I imagine there's much more of this going on then we'll ever notice.
>>78854275
Holy shit, why didn't I put the pieces together. Pede looks a long like an Ed Edd & Eddy character come to think of it.
>>78854359
King Arthur especially .The Death of King Arthur was literally medieval fanfic.
>>78854384
Ruby and Sapphire are Eddy and Edd
Peridot is Zim
>>78854275
>artificial construct reared from creation to be absolutely subservience is captured for a few weeks, wooed by some idiot fat kid, turns her back on and insults her lord and master
That is atrocious fucking writing. Way to build up tension just to rip it out.
OP, just wait until you realize that almost everyone's acting is really just a re-hash of some older actor's acting.
We all of us grew up with vaudville characters, even though vaudville was stone dead by the time our grandparents were born.
>>78854406
>yfw Sugar is just bringing back her yaoi fanfiction but turning it into yuri
>>78854452
she was raised to believe her lord and master was perfect and objective and rational
YD irrationally insisting on blowing up the Earth shattered that illusion
>>78854473
ohhh yessssssssss
To be honest, I think there are nothing but examples.
Basically everyone who creates something is building off a criticism of something else they like. In Sugar's case, she liked Invader Zim but not its cynicism and negative portrayal of humanity. So she made something more suited to her tastes.
I'm surprised Sugar didn't create some character that was a ripoff of Dib and have Peridot fall in love with them since she's a huge fujoshit.
Johns and Stargirl was essentially therapy for him, wasn't it?
>>78854406
Didn't she draw gay shota porn of Edd and Eddy?
Does this mean if I change all the names and tweak the circumstances my convoluted Gundam crossover fanfic could one day be published?
>>78854406
Ruby and Sapphire don't act like Edd and Eddy. However, I think it does come from a belief that opposites build the strongest relationships because they're those attracted to one another and they go greater lengths to make it work. Shit, look at Rose and Greg. One's from earth with his head in the stars and the other is from space with her feet firmly planted in earthly reality. Connie and Steven despite getting along exceptionally are vastly different as well.
>>78854618
It worked for fifty shades of grey.
I think for every single Usagi Yojimbo story that Stan comes up with himself there's at least one other that's him doing an homage or retelling of something. The man wants to take every samurai and Japanese folklore story and turn it into comic form (Stan if you're reading this: shine on your crazy diamond).
Also Terra was based on everything Wolfman and Perez thought made Kitty Pryde unbearable.
>>78854690
>Also Terra was based on everything Wolfman and Perez thought made Kitty Pryde unbearable.
that's why I love those fuckers
Is that fan fic real? /co/ makes up a lot of bs when it comes to this show.
Seeing Sugar makes me happy that Jhonen didn't give a shit about being "progressive" and instead cared about obesity jokes.
>>78854648
Edd = pearl
Eddy = amy or that purple fat-fuck.
>>78854751
I didn't actually read it but I saw that it existed on fanfiction.net when someone posted a link in an old thread. Also I saw her Edd Ed and Eddy yaoi and I'm now scarred.
>>78854720
I wish I owned the first two New Teen Titans omnibuses that collect everything from the start up to Judas Contract. I got them from a library and read those over two days and it was one of the best experiences.
>>78854593
If you consider naked hugging porn
>>78854452
I think it worked. Peridot loves to talk and thinks she's smarter than everyone else. She probably thought her conversation with Yellow Diamond was going to go like:
>"I have some ideas on how we can better utilize this planet's resources."
>"I am excited to hear these things, Peridot! Tell me all your ideas, and also my shirt opened?"
>>78854905
That depends....did their dicks touch?
Everyone loves a good enemy redemption arc
But ever since I learned about the Invader Zim thing with Sug I couldn't help but notice
>>78854926
It's only gay if their balls touch, anon.
>>78854760
Invader Zim fanart was how I discovered that homosexuality exists and now the show makes me uncomfortable to this day because of it.
>>78854406
It's funny because it's true.
>>78854906
Basically yeah, Peridot has a huge ego and when YD didn't masturbate furiously to her brilliant ideas right then and there she just thought, "fuck this." She probably hadn't interacted with her before and could believe Homeworld valued her amazingness, then she finally talks to YD and she shits on her, and Peri also sees that YD is kind of illogical and simple-minded ("gggrrrr me smash planet") from her POV which shatters her faith.
It's like if Zim was allowed to be a little less crushingly stupid, and actually accepted that his mission was a lie AND that the Tallest are retards who only care about stuffing their faces with snacks, maybe this might happen.
>>78854971
Given the angle of the pic, its hard to determine whether or not they touch. So what's the verdict? Is it gay porn or not?
>>78854569
Senpai...ronaldo is a fat dib.
>>78855218
So Peridot x Ronaldo is endgame?
>>78855234
Ronaldo was doing a report on gems and was using peridot as an example...this lead to nothing.
>>78855178
Scraps drew this in a drawfriend thread back in '07
>>78855234
>mfw I realize Peridot x Ronaldo would literally be ZIM x Dib
>>78855316
>Scraps
So was that actually a name Rebecca used back then? Cuz in that AMA she did she said she was Scraps, but I thought she was just joking since there was a shitposter in the SU threads that went by that name.
>>78855178
No junk visible and it doesn't even look like their dicks are touching. My verdict is nsfw but not quite porn.
>>78855343
That was her, and that pic was filling a request
>>78854275
JRR Tolkien's Middle Earth originated from Norse fan fiction he wrote in which he and his wife were characters.
http://www.academia.edu/228734/Norse_Elements_in_the_work_of_J.R.R._Tolkien
>>78855446
Don't be a fibber, anon. She drew it for Livejournal in like 07 but it didn't reach /co/ until Adventure Time s2 or something.
>>78855218
Except Dib is a thousand times more enjoyable and endearing as a character than Ronaldo.
>>78855473
Shit up dib.
>>78855473
Go to bed Dib.
>>78854275
didn't she make art of her getting fucked ?
>>78855806
post pic and I'll make art of you getting fucked
>>78854760
Edgy.
I never bothered to watch Steven Universe and most likely never will.
Is Peridot really just a female Zim or is it a baseless complaint?
>>78854359
>>78854467
Essentially these. Once people realize it's literally impossible to create anything original any more (and that now everyone's aware of this due to the total media saturation the internet has brought) they can relax and stop getting mad about unoriginality.
>>78855904
It's not a 100% comparison but pretty close. She never came to Earth to hide among us in order to conquer us, and she's not as flat-out stupid as Zim. Her problem is mostly being socially retarded and not understanding the nuances of human interaction, which she's slowly picking up.
Her personality is pretty Zim-like, though.
>>78855904
If Irkens are made in test tubes how come they have genders? How come the females have eyelashes and curly antennas? This was one of the things from the show I never understood.
>>78855983
She even explodes into triumphant poses for no reason and reveals every shark tooth in her head. Fuck she really is Zim.
>>78855904
Not really.
>>78856006
How does that make you feel?
>>78855904
Direct quotes like pic related make it clear that the creators are very aware of the resemblance, but obviously her character is moving in a very, very different direction now. I don't think the resemblance is a problem, just an interesting side note.
(And yes, I realize GIR said it and not ZIM, but it's a very recognizable quote from the show and overall the scene was very ZIM like.)
>>78856032
Like a load of barnacles.
>>78856048
You fapped to her, didn't you?
>>78854275
Art inspires art, so probably every major character is in some way inspired by another.
When you take from one source it's stealing, when you take from many it's research.
>>78856056
Not him but there's something super hot about her and how easy to fluster she is. Imagine how she'd react to being pinned down and kissed.
>>78856067
>Implying anything Johnny the Homicidal Faggot does is 'art'
>>78856092
But we established she is pretty much female Zim.
>>78856092
>>78856056
Not for sexual.
>>78856032
Dunno about him but I feel breddy gud.tfw fapped to Tak and Zim, currently fapping to Peridot
>>78856104
>implying that doesn't make it hotter
>>78856116
>fapped to Zim
How.
>>78856153
I blame all the Japanese madio Zim artwork back in the day (not around any more; I've looked).
>>78856187
Er maido, that is. Drawn totally off model and like a cute girl wearing cute dresses. Japanese Zim art was...weird.
>>78856153
When you care, you find a way.
>>78854275
Peridot is l i t e r a l l y goofy Vegeta. Not even a dbzfag.
>>78856290
She has nothing in common with Vegeta aside from being accompanied by a hulking brute.
Not even a fedora tipper but the New Testament is basically a sequel/fanfiction to the Old Testament and the Koran is fanfiction to the New Testament
Can I get some (you)s coming my way?
>>78854275
but anon, steven universe is a dbz fanfiction where gohan meets videl earlier and learns fusion before the saiyans arrive
>>78854359
Virgil's Aeneid is essentially a fan sequel to Homer's Iliad.
>>78856331
First wave of invading alien species accompanied by brute (who is defeated in the initial encounter) that later becomes a tentative ally and begrudging friend to the hero. Seemingly loyal to space alien boss, eventually tells boss to fuck off and joins the good guys. They're both shorties. The show takes the time to make them the butt of jokes at points. Only differences are color scheme and certain personality traits (Vegeta's not really a technician like Peridot is). Their role in the story and relationship to the hero is pretty much the same. That said, there's much less of a rivalry dynamic between Peri and Steven.
"Nothing in common" is blatantly false.
I've not watched a lot Steven Universe but this thread make me understand that Peridot is inspiration from Vegeta and Invader Zim but Garnet is gay Edd Ed & Eddy but instead lesbian? I am very confused.
>>78854275
Everyone loves a good redemption stoy if it sticks- problem is they always revert back to being villains in the west strangely enough (not in eastern animation though, ex-villains always stay good, must be a difference in taste)
>>78856646
Hopefully this one will. They've spent a significant part of the season building it up, and Peridot burned the hell out of that bridge to the homeworld. Even if she does regret it and decides she really doesn't want to side with the Crystal Gems anymore, she doesn't have a choice.
>>78856644
Your post is the only mention of Garnet in this thread though
>>78856815
Ruby sapphire are garnet?
>>78856393
Exodus is a retcon to make the Israelites look more legitimate.
When these people fled from Egypt, they were likely listed as a small bunch of Canaanite slaves who only heard of Yahwe after they ran across the Sinai and mixed into a group of other Canaanite dissidents who then became Israel.
Later writing is mostly about getting their monotheism on track and erasing the thousand local gods their people still worshipped. Like Yahwe's wife...
>>78856570
Vegeta never seemed to be loyal to anyone.
>>78857656
he was loyal to himself
>>78854906
I don't buy that her programming to be rational would override her programming to obey
>>78858794
there sentient rocks,pc not robots
>>78856114
how does the dorito fit inside the hood
>>78854275
>>78854275
>The only one I can think of is Bendis literally being able to write wish fulfillment stories about his waifu Kitty Pryde.
I keep hearing about this but I never get to see any panels or explanations. What's this about?
>>78859396
have you read anything by Bendis
have you ever noticed how Kitty keeps showing up in his books and snogging the main character?
>>78856570
>Vegeta's not really a technician like Peridot is
Not in the scientific sense but as far as fighting goes Vegeta is thought of as one of the most strategic and "technical" fighters of DBZ. Him overthinking in situations was actually pointed out as a kind of weakness in DBSuper.
>>78859441
>Reading anything by bendis
Anon, I'm not into self harm
>>78854275
The first Crisis on DC was "planed" since the author was a child playing with his toys.
Its actually something really common, that most people here would actually do.
>>78854350
>people actually believe this.
>>78855178
I am mad.
>>78854275
>Teenage Rebecca Sugar writes fanfiction about Invader Zim getting redeemed, realizing humans are good, and making friends with his former enemies
If I remember correctly, Vasquez had that ending planned out for a while.
Zim and Dib were going to have a planetary fight, similar to that one episode where they used planets as their weapons. It was going to end with Zim befriending Dib and him revealing he was an alien or something of that sort.
Yeah, pretty much.
I mean, I still like the show, but this is just such an obviously bad, fanfiction-y plot development. And it does not help that misguided fans are trying to defend this as good writing.
>>78854452
>>78854906
Jesus christ, this. That whole scene was like one of those tropes you see on tv. Lady seduces someone and is turned down, so she insults the guy.
>>78855904
she's a mass-produced subordinate of SU's The Tallest, working for the expansion of the Gem Empire.
She's competent, but has lots of Zim moments
>>78858794
That's always possible. Look at the Crystal Gems and the HW propaganda against them.
>>78859799
At least Peridot's redemption was better than Gideon's.
>>78854560
Yeah but didnt they plan for Zim to turn eventually? And team up with the short one
>>78856001
They were a regular race of sexual dimorphism before they started being made in tubes. They smash together their equivalent of XX chromozones enough that you see females in the mix. Jhonen said they are an asexual race now though, reproductive parts have been disabled.
>>78855335
Don't touch my faggot-ship with such impure ideas.
>>78859728
>Vasquez had that ending planned out
At first it sounded like a shit ending, but:
>and him revealing he was an alien
That DOES sound very IZ, Zim making his dramatic reveal, Dib facepalms, Gaz sitting in the kitchen keeps slurping her juice and playing vidya, and GIR freaking out in disbelief.
>>78859993
You're not setting the bar very high there. Peridot's redemption arc was still bad
>tfw you like the show, but only in the exact same way you like really cringey diabetes inducing fanfiction as a guilty pleasure
>deviantart cringe crones are making tv shows now
>>78854275
Geoff Johns' teenage fanwank is now DC's status quo. Anyone have the scan of 'that' letter to the Superboy editors?
>>78854275
Better list what SU is NOT a fan-fiction of. Of course, not everything is a perfect fit, but I think these are undeniable influences:
>fusion
DBZ
>energetic, enthusiatic boy goes on magical adventures with his harem of mothers
Kid Goku meets Sailor Moon? I know Ian admitted they've played with harem tropes
>being the blue girl is suffering
Every anime ever, Evangelion and Utena come to mind. I'm half-way through Utena, but the brown-blue girl seems to be artificially built like Rei, so it would not surprise me if SU dwelled into Lapis's purpose and imprisonment, and the people who controlled her life
>indian love interst
Utena
>magical sky sword-fighting arena
Utena, and one fighitng scene was directly lifted from it
>blatant yuribait
Utena, pedal to the metal
>Color scheme, ROSES FUCKING EVERYWHERE
Utena
>a space-faring race, their power unchallenged throughout the cosmos, all powerfull tall leaders seen as the epitome of the race, mass produced conquerors
Invader Zim. The gems are a non-joke Irken empire, though it's simplyfied as planetary destruction instead of economic imperialism that lets the others live
>the tinfoil is right, he's just too loud for his own good
Ronaldo is a love letter to IZ's Dib
People say EE&E, but I don't know enough to talk. I do know about Sugar's yaoi turned yuri, though
what am i missing?
>>78860486
>Ronaldo is a love letter to IZ's Dib
Ronaldo is a parody of Dib, if anything. Ronaldo's entire shtick is that he completely misinterprets the truth and all the mysteries and conspiracies he believes in could be completely solved by asking people who live in the same small town as him.
>>78860802
oh right. He does get it right about the diamond authority in the end, though
>>78855178
What the fuck is this shit? You faggots really are tumblr.
>>78860486
>a space-faring race, their power unchallenged throughout the cosmos, all powerfull tall leaders seen as the epitome of the race, mass produced conquerors
This also reminds me of Transformers. I feel like SU and Transformers have a lot more similarities than SU and Invader Zim
>>78860963
that pic was drawn by Sucrose herself
>>78860486
I see the gems more as Saiyans than Irkens. Seriously, the whole Lapis and Jasper thing is ridiculously similar to Vegeta and Nappa.
>>78854357
> Batman Beyond's version of the FF die horribly
... if that was wish fulfillment, I guess I can be down with that.
>>78854538
Who is this semen demon?
It's pretty sad when a show about brightly colored ponies is one the most popular cartoons in the entire industry.
>>78861363
the crazy serial killer girl from Boku no Hero Academia. She appeared recently in the later chapters. Not sure of her name, or if she has a name yet
>>78861549
Ah yes that's right. I wasn't sure if that was her or someone else.
>>78861044
> two factions of a powerful intergalactic race with clear design motifs
> powerset as the plot demands it
> antagonists can fly
> protagonists cannot
>>78859804
>was like one of those tropes you see on tv
...what do you think you were watching?
>>78861811
What antagonists can fly in SU?
>>78856456
Wait, if Steven's Gohan, who is Goku? And who is Piccollo?
>>78856947
That's mostly my understanding of it as well, except for one detail: As I understand it, there was no *literal* flight from Egypt; the proto-Israelites were never physically slaves IN Egypt so much as that their Canaanite culture was a vassal state to Egypt and so they construed themselves as sort of metaphorically slaves to Egypt. The peasant-folk of Canaan rose up against their feudal lords and killed them for serving these Egyptian foreigners, thus escaping Egyptian "slavery" and also "destroying" Canaan, creating their own monotheistic version of the previous religion including, as you allude, getting rid of the worship of their god's wife, Asherah. Though interestingly if you look closely enough, you can still find a number of interesting artifacts of that polytheistic version of the religion embedded in the early part of the bible. Heck, right at the beginning of the bible you have their god saying "Let us create them, man and woman, in our images." And only slightly later you have a magical talking snake trying to persuade Eve to eat of the fruit of wisdom, which is MUCH later retconned as being the devil, but who is never explained in the actual text of Genesis. This makes a lot more sense once you realize that god's wife, Asherah, was a goddess of wisdom who's holy symbol was a snake coiled around a tree.
>>78854384
Rebecca Sugar has stated that Lars and Sadie came from an older project of hers. There's a rumor that they were originally Original Character Do No Steels from one of her Ed, Edd, and Eddy fanfictions.
>>78861900
Garnet (personality only) like a combo between Goku and Piccolo.
>>78861895lapis
Gem monsters
>>78854275
that bitch who wrote fifty shades of grey as a twilight fanfiction is all i can really think of
>>78854275
Let's not forget that her leaders are just taller than everyone else.
>>78854827
Yeah, that's not a source. People talk about these things but I never see someone post it.
>>78861900
I have a feeling piccolo will show up sometime soon
>>78855904
They talk the exact same, for one.
>>78862816
Thanks, Doc.
>>78856001
The actual Irken conquering race is the PAKs that they have on their back. They're parasites that grow more of the little green guys just to have something to latch onto.
George Lucas uses the prequels to do pretty much everything he couldn't do in the first 3
it's weird shit like Boba Fett's helmet which was gonna be originally be a type of stormtrooper, but then he couldn't because of budgetary restraints. So he gets back by making all the clone troopers Boba Fett
There's tons of other shit to it too. I recommend reading Dark Horse's The Star Wars if you want to see just how much of a crazy person George was
Are any of the characters in SU actually gay or is the fans projecting what they want?
>>78858794
They're not programmed, more like indoctrinated.
>>78862816
>>78861900
goku is rose because they are both dead but not really
garnet is picollo because perma-fusion
yamcha is pearl cause they both start out kinda cool and end up thirsty and alone
i have no idea for amethyst, yajirobe?
>>78863105
Ruby and Sapphire are gay as sunshine.
>>78863105
It depends on how much you buy into the gems having no gender. If you assume they're all female, then yeah, they're pretty much all lesbians.
>>78863105
If you want to get technical, the gems are genderless.
But Pearl is totally gay for Rose.
Ruby and Sapphire are the gayest ever.
Garnet is a physical manifestation of gay romance.
Peri is either going to go gay for Lapis or Amethyst.
Wrong file, here it is.
web.archive.org/web/20041204113213/http://www.auras.com/RRS/toldyou.html
>>78854275
>Comparing Rebecca to Bendis
That's a low blow, even for a /sug/ hater.
>>78863189
So if you're implying that there are no male gems. That technically means that aren't gay .
>>78858889
Yeah but peridot is autistic levels of devoted to being rational. Assuming that gems, being inorganic rocks, don't suffer from autism, she's clearly some kind of programmed/brainwahsed and you think hw would prioritize sending loyal agents to a rebellious world.
>>78863105
The gems are technically incapable of being gay as they're monogendered. But it's a pretty safe bet that Sucrose used this as a loophole to safely place lesbians on a primetime kids show.
Basically, nobody is actually gay, but they may as well be
Also there's Steven, he's often openly feminine, but that's to be expected consdering his upbringing and there's Connie for him.
>>78863275
Anon, is it really important for you that they be not-gay?
>>78856001
It's probably like how there are female kryptonians despite the race not needing to breed for hundreds of year.
>>78863276
Well they're made with a specific task in mind and are expected to follow them, but its not like they have to hardwire some type of programming to make conscious decisions.
>>78863276
She's just antisocial and falls back on logic and 'rational thought' because she was raised to be a military scientist. Some people are like that.
>>78863276
Autism is an issue of the brain and the mind, not the body. It's safe to assume that the gem is the "brain" of the body, where all the thinking takes place. Pearl's clearly somewhere else, neurodivergent is a good word for it. I wouldn't place Peridot very far away, if not further along the path. They're both autistic as all hell imo
>>78854406
>Ruby and Sapphire are Eddy and Edd
>>78854275
>still believing this shit
THAT TRAITOR IS GOING TO DIE!
>>78863105
There is literally one gay relationship in the entire show, and Ruby is the man.
>>78863250
what is that
>>78863275
>That technically means that aren't gay
No it doesn't. What do yo think the definition of gay is? If the gems are all women, and they are sexually attracted to each other, they are gay. They are attracted to people of the same sex. That's the definition of homosexual.
>>78864487
the gems are alien rocks, they don't have gender
>>78864487
If they only have one "gender", that technically means they don't have a gender.
They don't produce offspring via sexual reproduction. They may have characteristics that we associate with human females, but they are not sexually differentiated within their own race.
They are not gay because they have no gender. They are neither male nor female because the distinction doesn't exist for them. They aren't even biological.
>>78864615
>>78864625
You realise the word is not homogenderous, right? Stop saying gender when you mean sex.
And this is a really, really stupid debate.
>>78864936
Well, I don't think they have any sex at all.
>>78864936
You do realize that gender and sex are commonly used interchangeably in modern English, right?
But let's do definitions. Those that make distinctions use gender to mean "social conventions associated with the male or female sex" and sex to mean "either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions".
Sex is the state of being biologically male or female. Gems have no sex. Just like how bacteria have no sex.
>>78854359
This got me wondering. What do you think is the shortest amount of time after a work's creation before it's acceptable to use a character from that work in your own thing. Take something like Frankenstein or Dracula that tons of different works use just because they like the character? Is it the public domain or can it be sooner? Excluding possible legal trouble that can be waved away as parody.
>>78860068
This is what happens when parents aren't allowed to beat their children till they either die or straighten up.
Way too easy to brush things off as "kids will be kids!" but those kids will be adults one day, and they'll carry their retarded ideas in to adulthood if they aren't corrected. No matter how hard the last generation tries, the new one will take over. Even if they have to wait till the old shits up and die.
>>78865290
The exact number of years depends on how old Mickey Mouse is at that moment.
>>78854560
So she didn't like Invader Zim at all, then.
>Reduce all characters and stories in to single sentence descriptions
>Shocked when everything looks the same
Fucking retards.
>>78865373
Eblin
>>78862022
>Asherah, was a goddess of wisdom who's holy symbol was a snake coiled around a tree.
Ahaha! I now change my head-canon of reality to Western medicine being an Ashera cult.
That makes things so much more logical when you look at religious nutjobs refusing treatment.
>>78863318
Steven also is openly fusing with a chick into Schrödinger's pantswe have to assume there is and isn't a pussy in there.
Which suggests that when Steven and Connie hit puberty now, Stevonnie will change physically. Which could go strange places.
Will it be male and female traits, or a completely androgynous being with mighty Quartz hair?
>>78855234
Maybe they become pals
>>78862124
Makes sense. They seem too realized to be side characters by design
>>78865290
Here you go, this explains it rather well.
youtube.com/watch?v=SiEXgpp37No
>>78855234
>>78866151
I honestly want to see what happens when these two meet.
>>78863105
Ruby and Sapphire are gay, Peridot is turning into a gay
>>78860068
Heh, and here I thought I like Steven Universe because the worldbuilding is above average, the character interactions are engaging and funny, and the actual OST being great.
Wow... it was bad this whole time!
>>78865215
Stop.
>>78862816
thanks doc
>>78860486
where's the madoka anon
>>78866786
NO U
Sugar has done gay porn/shipping of a bunch of characters but most of that stuff is off the internet now.
I think I still have some shit from my old computer from her livejournal that I'll upload one day
>>78866786
All of those things you said are wrong. Especially the "world building" fucking kek how much have we've seen outside of that beach and a few floating temples?
>>78866240
as stupid as i find that manlet. This situation makes me even sadder.
>>78854618
can I read said Gundam crossover fanfic?
>>78854357
Not to mention the guy that became Cyborg Superman in Pre-Nu52 canon, Hank Henshaw, he and his friends/wife got horribly mutated and died as a parody of the Fantastic Four too.
>>78866928
>That pic
Niiiice.
>>78866928
I love it.
>>78865618
She liked Jhonen since she drew herself talking to him in Zim's style
>>78866972
besides the ocean, the moon, the spaceship, the jungle, and the extraspatial rooms inside the temple? yh just the beach and a few floating temples.
But "worldbuilding" doesn't refer to literally nothing other than creating fictional geography - even on /tg/ - and you know that
this Peridemption crap is so boring I'm about to drop the show.
>>78867848
I can basically guarantee that the next five episodes aren't going to be heavy on Perifu.
>>78863105
If you see "gay" stuff from fans 95% of the time it will be projection. The word "gay" has never been used once in the series, and there is no "gay propaganda being exposed to children."
There are two perceivably female minor characters who have affection for each other and fuse to create one of the main characters. People like to believe that the act of fusing is meant to be a parallel to sex even though the argument is very loose, cherrypicked, and implies that it's perfectly okay for little kids to fuck each other silly. Take that as you will.
>>78866972
We've seen:
- Gem physiology: That they aren't organic and don't have literal 'skin' or even organs, for that matter. Completely hollow on the inside and they cannot be killed unless their gem is destroyed.
- What certain gem types typically look or behave like, where they are made, and how they are made.
- Even more gem culture: what early Earth gem colonies were like, some 'basic' economic details, caste systems, etc.
- Gem techonology more in-depth: computers, long-distance communication, (phones) more electronic weapons, etc. Whereas before it just seemed like they were 'magic' and had 'magic rooms' but there were no electronics involved.
- The reveal that monsters are corrupted gems, where previously it was unknown where they came from or how they got 'corrupted'.
Among other things...
>>78867966
Holy shit dude, you're in denial and also strangely angry.
>>78867966
It's not exactly parallel to sex, but obviously Rebecca is aware of the undertones and puts them there on purpose.
I like how people act like show creators themselves aren't massive shippers. The creators now were once the fans.
>>78863105
>rocks
>gay
silly anon
>>78867966
>The word "gay" has never been used once in the series
It doesn't have to. There was stealth gayness in the latest episode with the green one shipping 'Pierre and Percy" from some tv show.
>People like to believe that the act of fusing is meant to be a parallel to sex even though the argument is very loose
>two midgets laying together on the ground
>"so, um...did you say I was...different?"
>red one nods and then asks
>"And you hadn't before?"
>"of course not! when would I have ever~"
>"...I'm so sorry"
>"no,no, don't be!"
It's pretty fucking obvious what it's supposed to be
>>78868139
>>78866979
When I'm done figuring out new names for Daniel Jackson and Bask Om.
>>78863318 this, it's her plan to get us arguing technicalities while she lives out her yuri/genderswap yaoi fantasies in peace. Genius.
Closest example I could think of, Johns grew up to write his fanfiction into canon
>>78866716
Last episode was "Skinny nerd is a virgin, world is shocked" Garnet couldn't get her green ass.
>>78868252
Holy shit I hadn't got that until now.
>>78866928
nice
>>78868031
>Gem physiology: That they aren't organic and don't have literal 'skin' or even organs, for that matter.
Which doesn't make sense since they can eat and expel liquid through crying and saliva, and Greg wouldn't have been able to dance with Rose as easily as he was able to since Gems are supposed to be heavy and hard.
>What certain gem types typically look or behave like, where they are made, and how they are made.
We know how quartz are made and nothing else.
>Even more gem culture: what early Earth gem colonies were like, some 'basic' economic details, caste systems, etc.
They didn't have a colony on Earth. And what do we know little about their classism
>The reveal that monsters are corrupted gems, where previously it was unknown where they came from or how they got 'corrupted'.
They squished that into a small part of an episode and had Amethyst say "oh yeah the monsters used to be like us kek"
Not sure what most of this has to do with world building. Barely any of this had development either, it was just told to us by a character through exposition
>>78868416
When Garnet suggested fusion I couldn't help but think of The Graduate.' "Mrs Robinson, You're trying to seduce me, aren't you?"
>>78854350
That's true of Zim too, to an extent. He's surprisingly competent in his own self-centered way. such as when he was sent to the boot camp planet, or when he was imprisoned by that mall cop... how many episodes did he show-up Dib in the end? The water balloon one comes to mind, but I'm sure there were others. The best example of Zim's strengths and flaws is the episode with the time piggies, because he was consistently effective in that episode... until he unwittingly went too far and was undone by his own hubris. A similar case could be made for Peridot, who probably would've won her fight with Pearl if she hadn't goaded her.
>>78868518
They're fucking magic. Their bodies aren't rock. They're magical energy projections. It's been repeatedly shown that they are whatever shape, size, and weight that they want to be. They even automatically adjust their weight to suit different gravity.
Maybe it's not that the show doesn't have world-building, maybe you just need to learn to pay attention.
And also, you should probably learn what the phrase world-building actually means, because you blatantly don't know what it actually means.
>>78868744
>they are whatever shape, size, and weight that they want to be
Not really brah. Gem projection size seems to be equal to gem power. It's why when Amy gets 2swole for 2long she get spaghetti arms and was the whole point of Steven's Birthday.
>>78868744
>They're fucking magic
They're engineered rock aliens.
>Their bodies aren't rock.
If not actual rock, then at least as hard and as heavy as rock according to several episodes.
>They even automatically adjust their weight to suit different gravity.
Of different planets, not whenever they want.
>Maybe it's not that the show doesn't have world-building, maybe you just need to learn to pay attention.
IRONING
>>78863105
There are many female-coded characters that have strong emotional and physical connections with each other. There's nothing overtly sexual, but if you showed someone the scenes without any context, you'd see a bunch of girls in romantic-ish relationships with one-another.
>>78868976
>female-coded
reeeeeeeeee
>>78861549
Toga Himiko, I think?
>>78868797
I never said they could do it for ever, but they can still clearly change all those things at will.
>>78868518
>Which doesn't make sense since they can eat and expel liquid through crying and saliva, and Greg wouldn't have been able to dance with Rose as easily as he was able to since Gems are supposed to be heavy and hard.
Their bodies can only perform human-like functions like eating and sexual reproduction when they choose to shapeshift the necessary internal organs. [You can pick this apart like why do they cry/blush/etc. because these function also reflect the presence of internal organs, but you know.]
Otherwise, I believe their bodies *feel* organic and human even though they are not. They have skin and hair and body heat and all that.
>>78869016
what would you call a piccolo? A male? there arent even females amidst namekians, piccolo literally lays eggs.
>>78864936
They also don't have sex but I meant that they don't have gender
>>78868956
They have repeatedly, explicitly been referred to as magic. It's a children's cartoon, not hard science fiction. Your autism is showing.
>>78866145
Who cares about the pussy I want to know about the dick
>>78868743
>Peridot, who probably would've won her fight with Pearl if
But she did win that fight.
>>78869178
Well if it's children's cartoon, then do many adults watch it to the point where they're obsessed with the series?
>>78869139
Do you not see how stupid this debate is?
>>78854905
It is if it's women
>>78869267
Because childish things can still appeal to adults while still being childish, and still being primarily aimed at children.
Also, liking a thing a lot isn't the same as being obsessed with it. If you are an adult obsessed with a children's cartoon, you are mentally ill.
>>78869309
>wheredoyouthinkyouarerightnow.jpg
>>78869533
Checked
>>78869378
The only time it's not is when they're freezing to death and survival necessitates it
>>78866972
What would be exceptional world building? Non-/co/ also welcome, and bonus for intrige
SU's world reads as fan-fiction, but it's done a better job at having me play it frame by frame to catch something, or rewatch episodes when new lore surfaces to pick up on interactions I didn't notice before (and many different times with the same scene).
Other media I enjoy, off the top of my head:
- Invader Zim: I loved the world-building, the Irken empire, the Earth's ways, but nothing was a head scratcher. All you got from paying lots of attention were hidden references to other shows, or cameos
- Samurai Jack: Loved the premise, but everything was on the surface
- ATLA: idem. In fact, lack of subtlety in many cases. idem for Korra
- Fargo (the tv series): well thought out, and the first season really built up to the second one, but it was very in your face. These weren't *subtle* hints to an earlier event
- The Idiot (Dostoevsky): great story, great characters, great tangles, great shenanigans, very well thought out... wait this actually had quite a bit of nice forshadowing, but the setting itself was just Russia. And most great reveals were thing you just didn't know until you knew them. When myshkin says he's a prince it's a surprise to the other characters, not the reader. The plot had forshadowing and symbolisms, not the world-building.
- Stuff by Michael Crichton (Jurassic Park, Timeline): Very nice ideas, but he straight up told you everything. There wasn't much left for you to connect the dots
why did i write so much. My point is, as weak as it might be, the way SU drops subtle hints of lore really does it for me.
>>78855904
Irken/Gem society
>Military Alien race who are artificially created in mass numbers with the purpose of concurring planets and serving their empire
>Social hierarchy where height plays a massive role
>Leaders are ridiculously taller than subordinates
>No empathy for other lifeforms
Peridot/Zim
>Small, green, low status in hierarchy
>Supposed to concur earth to please leaders
>Worships their leaders who don't give a shit about them.
>Reliant on technology to defeat enemies
>Shouts a lot , dramatic and childish, thinks they're the smartest and better than everyone else
>Very ignorant/naive about earth and its properties
>Uses weird alien descriptions of body parts for comedic effect
>Same speech manners and ways of addressing people - The Dib human, the Steven etc.
There are a lot more similarities. Peridot is obviously inspired by Invader Zim, which Sugar was a big fangirl of and produced both art and fanfic for in the early 2000's. Pic related is her IZ self-insert with Dib from her now defunct dA.
I don't consider it necessarily bad or a complaint though, just interesting.
>>78854359
Dante's Inferno was a fanfic of the Bible.
>>78869081
>Otherwise, I believe their bodies *feel* organic and human even though they are not.
Why did Ronaldo shatter his hand when he tried to punch Pearl then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRIOh1WD8J0
>>78869178
>They have repeatedly, explicitly been referred to as magic
No they haven't?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AR8SVVlB8c
>It's a children's cartoon, not hard science fiction
When you specify how a species works and then you break those rules, that's called bad writing, my memeing friend.
>>78869423
>Because childish things can still appeal to adults while still being childish, and still being primarily aimed at children.
But it's written by adults and has themes a child wouldn't understand.
Funny how insecure you are that criticism of this cartoon is akin to mental illness to you.
>>78868797
>>Gem Size is equal to their power
>>Most powerful Gems rule
>>The rulers, by default, are the Tallest
Oh my God, it really is Zim.
>>78854275
As an autist, Peridot reminds me a lot of myself. I think that's where Rebecca is drawing her inspiration from.
If she was still that into Zim, wouldn't she have contributed to the comic book at this point? I know she's contributing to MST3K.
>>78870792
Peridot is a higher rank than a pearl though, who's taller than her. And sapphire is a rare aristocrat despite her height.
>>78868518
The gems use shapeshifting, like how rose shapeshifted a womb in order to conceive steven. Also Gems definitely arent as heavy as rocks. rose was able to float slightly while in the air when she met Greg. They are made of hard light.
>>78870885
Yeah, in the "What Are Gems?" short, Pearl straight-up says they're holograms with mass.
>>78855473
I actually agree.
>>78867966
We have this discussion all of the time. Fusion is not sex, but there are obvious parallels.
>Lewd dance moves leading up to some fusions
>Garnet literally spreading her legs so Amethyst can jump into her
>Gems acting very flustered/excited when presented with the option to fuse
>Fusion being partly treated as a deeply intimate experience and a way for two gems to express their love and 'become one'.
>Pearl fusing with Rose with a very intimate dance in front of Greg to make him jealous
>Pearl covering Steven's eyes while Amethyst and Garnet fuse as she's blushing herself
>The way Garnet was trying to help Peridot - "it's okay if you aren't ready".
>Ruby and Sapphire lying in the grass talking after their fusion and how Sapphire had never 'done it before'.
These are parallels that are made to go completely over a young audience's head, but become very obvious as an adult.
Fusion is sometimes a tool to become stronger, but is also used way to express intimacy and love in many cases. That love can also be be friendly love or childish romance, such as in Steven and Connie's case. It is a lot of things, and the show treats it a such.
>>78863344
>It's probably like how there are female kryptonians despite the race not needing to breed for hundreds of year.
It's funny you write it like that because I'd piciture the opposite: there are no more males after breeding is rendered obsolete.
>>78870855
People that relate to cartoon characters are the absolute worst
>>78854569
>>78855218
>>78855234
The fact that Sugar hasn't made this canon is a hopespot that she thinks ZADR is shit.
I hope so, at least, because it is a really shitty romantic pairing. If you wanted to get Homoshit up in here, at most it's be a Black pairing, with no actual sex.
>>78870481
Actually its a crossover fanfic since so greek hero's appear in it. Jason and the argonuats is a crossover
>>78860031
>Actually shipping Zim and Dib in anything but non-sexual hate buddies
That is some monumentally shit taste
>>78871180
"It's always sexual" implies that little kids fucking is treated as 'quirky but normal' (which is pretty fucked up), and saying that it isn't explicitly sexual but sometimes a form of mutual trust and intimacy between gems is what I was already saying.
>>78871346
I've never seen anyone refer to fusion as explicitly sexual unless it's for a joke or something. Clearly it is a lot more complicated than human sex, and the purpose of it varies depending on which gems are fusing and why.
>>78870940
I thought those shorts weren't canon?
>>78854275
Well on the one hand I'd say Peridot was a legitimate threat to the planet earth who was stopped by the Crystal gems who crashed her ship and dropped her threat level, compared to Zim, whose own incompetence made him a threat only to himself, and occasionally Dib. inb4 listed number of times Zim actually proved competent/dangerous. Lets not get into that. Regardless of exceptions, the point of Invader Zim was that he was an alien who was shit at invading planets and sent to Earth just to get him out of his superior's hair. Peridot herself is not a strong adversary, especially robbed of her weapons and superior technology, but she does represent a an invading alien force that legitimately has ill intentions for the Planet Earth, as opposed to the Irken Empire who really don't give a damn about this backwoods mud ball.
So no, I really don't think Peridot was designed as a Zim Ersatz simply for the purpose of recreating fanfiction into her own show.
On the other crazy fan theory hand... one must admit it IS suspicious that both the Irken race and the Gem race have a strange hierarchy that is based, at least partially, on how tall an individual is. I mean it was just speculation before but... I mean look at the damn Diamonds. They're big as fuck!
>>78871570
They most definitely are. Cartoon network made them and aired them and they only exist to be informative.
>>78871252
You're right. The quirks of fictional characters never match up with real world people, let alone real world mental disorders.
>>78871570
>nothing at all happens except for an exposition dump
>non-canon
then why bother making it?
>>78854652
This. The bar is set so low these days that literally anything is possible.
>>78871689
can't tell if you're being sarcastic
>>78856515
Wait, I thought the Aeneid was Virgil's retelling of the Odyssey.
>>78871336
Shipping for that show in general is just such an awful thing.
>>78866928
Do it anon!
>>78869244
Then why is Pearl alive.
