You know in Toy Story 3 when Mr Potato Head puts his face bits on a tortilla and escapes? Really bothers me. Where is Mr Potato Head's consciousness located? Is he an assortment of bits? A swarm? Is he incorporeal? And the face bits are just the ritual objects which summon him into a host shell? What if we pressed his face bits into a person? Does he possess them?
Damn Toy Story, You Scary
It's a movie for kids.
The face pieces are parasites that move whatever they are attached to like a puppet.
>>78635714
Nanomachines, son.
How would playdoh work in the Toy Story setting? If playdoh broke into a bunch of pieces like Mr Potatohead and then each piece changed shape into a different form would it retain one consciousness across multiple separate and different bodies?
>>78635714
I think it's probably a percentage thing. Each piece of PH counts for a certain amount of him, and his consciousness centralizes around the majority of his pieces. I would say his potato accounts for about 40%, as he centralizes on it even when he loses some pieces, but as we see in your pic, put enough of his pieces elsewhere and that's where he is.
Toy Story 4: Maximum Autism
>>78635714
>And the face bits are just the ritual objects which summon him into a host shell?
>>78635852
Probably something like Morph in Treasure Planet, always changing shape and shit. Just less refined.
>>78635714
>autism, the post
>>78635785
/thread
>>78635714
Think of it like a child.
If a kid loses Mr. Potato heads body and sticks the pieces on a real potato he just changed his toy lightly, didn't get an entire new one.
It's probably the hat.
>>78635714
I figure he's like a swarm. He couldn't really control the tortilla but he moved his parts and was able to push or pull the tortilla
If we pressed his face bits into the ground would he control the planet?
>>78635714
> A swarm?
Hahaha
>>78636337
>>78635785
>>78635714
People wonder why nobody makes cartoons for adults
>>78636337
no way, the planet is way too large.
>>78636337
I dunno, did he ever actively control his potato body? He just turned around on his feet, but his body didn't bend, did it?
Remember when one of the Potato Heads closed one eye to look through the one they left behind?
>>78635714
Every piece of Mr. Potato Head is nothing more than a piece of him, his "self" existent between them the same way yours could be said to exist among any part of your body you have control over. When he puts his pieces on the tortilla, he doesn't control the tortilla any more than his body parts can move it, but he still controls his feet, arms, eyes, etc, as well as his body (wherever it is).
>>78635714
>A swarm? Is he incorporeal?
I feel like you're making this too complicated. We've seen that they can use their body parts even when they're far away. So maybe his consciousness is just in his body piece and is being broadcast through the air like with his vision. You don't need to introduce swarms or incorporeality.
he doesn't actually control the body husk his parts inhabit proper, just the limbs which can be perfectly articulated, the body never moves on its own
I mean come the fuck on, we're talking a fucking tortilla being stood up forward and in movement, it's of course going to wiggle like shit
jesus christ fuck you OP for making me autism this hard
>>78635785
Are all toys born into consciousness on creation?
Do they acquire adult cognition or are born like children and need to learn?
How do they know stuff without school? Where does their knowledge of pop culture comes from?
Did all toys begin thinking they are real and had a comes to senses experience like Buzz?
If they think they are real why do they stay immobile when humans are around? Is that an instinct?
What defines a toy? Army Men are just single pieces of plastic. Could anything be conscious? A backpack with googly eyes is a toy? What about a keychain? Where is the limit drawn at? Can a severed human head become a sentient toy if you play with it?
>>78635714
It makes sense though, the potato is just a hollow plastic shell that holds his parts and can't really move on it's own. The tortilla doesn't really move either, it just acts as a temporary body that's holds all his movable parts together.
The rules are weird, Sid's toy fusion experiments in Toy Story 1 show that you can mash a bunch of toy parts together and create a sentient being.
>>78640160
I'd say the rules are:
Bits of plastic are not sentient. Molded plastic is not sentient. And a toy in a box is not either.
Toys are brought to life when a child lays eyes on it and believes it to be a sentient thing. The imagination of a child is basically the magic of this world.
Basically anything without a face will probably not have sentience, because a child would not imagine it to be so. Playdoh, Lego bricks/vehicles, things like this. But on the other hand, I imagined all of my Hot Wheels cars to have individual names and personalities when I was a kid. This would be enough to grant each of them life.
>>78636221
You're gonna run into Theseus' potato with that logic really fast, anon. We've seen that Mr Potato head can swap out the face pieces (eg his angry eyes, in case he gets angry) so if all his face bits went onto a carrot but the potato got new pieces, which one would be him.
>put his pieces in the moon
>3 days
>>78640921
>a toy in a box
I assume you mean, like, a shipping crate, right?
We saw in Toy Story 2 that the boxed Buzzes were sentient, IIRC.
>>78641120
Yeah that's what I mean, sorry. The transition can happen WHILE the toy is in the box, but putting it in the box does not make it ready for life.
So Buzz and Prospector Pete were brought to life because kids could see them in their plastic, even if they weren't owned by those kids. The movies probably still stretch this logic a bit, though. But I'd say it's a basic working mechanism.
>>78640912
I say that Sid's creations are new beings because he imagines them to be so. They are no longer seen as the separate parts. I'd say the same goes for things like robots made of Legos; they become sentient when their built because that's when the kid imagines them to be alive. But their existence is short and ephemeral, as they are constantly being molded into new shapes, some of which may or may not have consciousness as well.
>>78641120
>>78641435
#LifeBeginsAtCasting
>>78635852
Playdoh was in Toy Story 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtzrskMqEqc
The original Mr. Potato Head toy was a collection of parts that you had to stick on to an actual potato. He IS the face bits. The body is just a vessel they use for convenience.
>>78640921
>Basically anything without a face will probably not have sentience, because a child would not imagine it to be so
The etch-a-sketch in Toy Story 1 was sentient.
If I pull those out, will he die?
>>78641017
Both.
Ever watch a cartoon where a character loses his head and has to verbally order his body around?
That.
>>78641703
It would be extremely painful
>>78640921
I always ppresumed that when you put one of those little faces or eyes on lego, the construct became alive. The eyes give the rest consitence to move.
>>78640921
>Toys are brought to life when a child lays eyes on it and believes it to be a sentient thing. The imagination of a child is basically the magic of this world.
Does this mean that humans have psychic powers that they lose as they age?
>>78635750
What if he attached the pieces into the earth?
>>78641820
They'd be able to move the nearby soil slightly, but not really enough to move.
>>78636337
>>78641599
With these in mind, if we remove the face and limps completely from a human, fill out holes in the face, and jam in the potato limps and features, will we have created a mr human potato?
>>78641897
>>78635714
I'm thinking his conscious follows his limbs, like your swarm theory
>>78641687
Eh it's a stretch, but I think it still fits my theory. A kid imagines the Etch-A-Sketch to be more than just a piece of paper (note that the paper Woody flips through is not sentient), and I think that's enough of a spark. It still doesn't get to talk, though that could be more about lacking a mouth.
>>78641807
I can dig it. I mean, Monsters Inc. is in the same universe as Toy Story, right? An alternate dimension, but the same universe. Human children power the monster world with crying or laughter, but human adults don't. There is clearly magic in humans that disappears at the point of menarche/boners or whatever.
>>78645283
>Human children power the monster world with crying or laughter, but human adults don't.
Yes they do, it's just that most monsters can't scare adults. It's dangerous.
Adult humans actually give more power than children, since sully and mike fill up an entire room of scare tubes to the point of bursting with just four or five adult humans
![tortilla_Espanola[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vjthNdZ.jpg "tortilla_Espanola[1].jpg")
>>78635714
>tortilla
>implying
pic related is true tortilla, and has potatoes
>>78635714
You just had to ask. These are dark answers you seek.
I mean, you want the real answer?
Mr. Potato Head is not the body. The original toy was sold with just the face/appendages. You used a random potato (or any vegetable) to make your own body.
Complaints of rotting vegetables lead to the body being included about 10ish years later.
The concept of Mr Potato Head is that you stick him into something to make it a toy. Anything he can stick into and consider it a toy (food originally, plastic body later) becomes Mr. Potato Head.
If you wouldn't consider a toy, he couldn't use it in a body. So no people possession.
>>78641807
PAINT IT RED, IT GOES FASTER
>>78640921
>>78641807
>>78645283
>>78645447
Adults have the same power, if not greater; but don't use them because they have been made to believe that magic is not real as they aged. Maybe to the point that the magic was used into destroying itself.
A childish adult would be able to draw on this power, and it makes for some neat pixar logic.
>>78636337
>>78645447
Huh, really? You're probably right, but I don't remember when that happens. Haven't seen Monsters U, so I dunno.
Tortilla is basically dead wheat, right? And he uses an uprooted cucumber later. So if he put his face into a animal corpse could he drive that around too?
>>78646028
>Childish adult
Like a retard? Or like Willy Wonka types?
All of his parts are the same conciousness
>>78646028
>>78646244
Would a super villain with incredible powers over his own mind use this magic to "truly believe" any object into sentience? And if that happened, how would he control it, or will it to come alive in front of him?
In other news, all those autistic weebs with body pillows and waifu figurines. Oh nooooo
>>78636221
>Mr Potato Head's body gets lost
>He plops himself on a real potato
>After a few days he starts sprouting roots
>He is now evil Potato Head because of the poison now flowing to the surface
Real answer: "It's Disney™ Pixar® Magic, I ain't gotta explain shit"
Autist answer: One consciousness exists between all the pieces. It's not "located" in any specific piece. You know Buggy the Clown from One Piece? It's like that where he just controls all his body parts no matter where they are. Or like Robin with how she can sprout eyes somewhere and still see through them.God damn I need to read more One Piece
>>78646310
>o_o
Lurk more
>>78641897
Maybe, but the body would be too heavy to be lifted, maybe a smaller torso from a different animal could work better
>>78636337
>>78636337
I think you're onto something, anon.
>>78636337
No. He can't control the body, since it's not his. Just like he can't keep the Tortilla from collapsing and folding. It's his other body parts that he controls.
>>78646495
Shhh! Not so loud! You might trigger someone by suggesting that you follow site etiquette when posting.
>>78645656
Spanish education everyone.
What qualifies as a toy? If Christmas ornaments work as toys, do lawn ornaments count? What about life-size Barbies?Or adult toys?If I give a kid a taxidermy cat as a toy and they play with it, do they come to life?
>>78636487
>>78636120
>>78635729
You sure showed those people who like to have fun, /co/mrade
I've more wondered about this if Lego were ever shown in the Toy Story movies. Would it suddenly gain sentience once the pieces were put together in a coherent enough form? Or do all the individual pieces just possess conciousness?
>>78648653
This is getting deep
>>78648653
Some minifigs appear in the shorts they did after 3 but yeah no models.
Same movie established that the consciousness is located in the parts hence how his wife can see out of an eye that isn't attached to her. Body is inconsequential, it's just the plastic bodies have convenient sockets and can hold spare parts in the ass so they're preferable
>>78648639
what if a living being in a coma is said to be a toy. Does the new persona awaken the body and if so... what happens when the original persona wakes up?
>>78648653
I'd imagine the minifigs would be alive, but the bricks wouldn't.
I really wish these movies would have Star Wars guys or some other line that has multiple figures of the same character. You could have completely separate personalities for Tatooine Luke and Hoth Luke.
>>78648639
Lawn Ornaments do count, in the first movie they asked the Neighbor's lawn gnomes if they had found Buzz in the Garden.
>>78636337
He can't move when people are watching, genius. People are aware of where the Earth is at all times, with millions watching it as we speak.
So would a Giant Lego Man come to life too? (or any toy of abnormal size)
>>78649750
Well he could, but would probably choose not to. Remember how Woody scared the shit out of Sid in the first movie? The toys can move on their own, they just don't want people to see it.
>>78636337
>YMS pls
>>78635714
speed force.
>>78641737
my fetish
>>78635785
thats an expensive ass toy
>>78640160
>Where is the limit drawn at? Can a severed human head become a sentient toy if you play with it?
Fuck man youre taking this too far, someone animate it.
Each piece acts independently of the others, but are also able to be controlled as a whole hivemind in the event such a need rises.
Basically, Mr. Potato Head is Voltron.
>>78649352
What about Lawn Darts? Do they still count as toys? What if those where alive?
Would those jesus in a cross things that people hang on their walls come to life as well?
Would they be in constant suffering or be pretty chill considering they're jesus?
>>78650222
No cuz they aren't toys, they are more like statues.
Chekd btw
>>78636221
What differentiates a toy from an inanimate object in this universe? We see an RC car, an etch-a-sketch, and a speak-and-spell come to life and these aren't toys meant to represent characters the way a dolls and action figures do. If a kid glues some googly eyes to a rock and plays with it does the rock come to life? Will the clothes for a doll come to life and be a separate entity if they're bought separately?
>>78635714
What is life? Why are we considered alive? What makes our bodies move and the chemistry of our systems react with each other? Are stars alive?
>>78635714
>Where is Mr Potato Head's consciousness located?
In his head.
> Is he an assortment of bits?
He is a toy.
>What if we pressed his face bits into a person?
The Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion.
>Does he possess them?
No.
This is not a difficult concept.
He is moving his limbs. It seems quite evident that his limbs move independantly regardless of where his body is. Likewise, he sees out of his eyes. Regardless of where they are. Speaks from his mouth, smells from his nose (I assume) and so on.
So it stands to reason that since his body is immobile the only thing that determines his mobility are his limbs.
I was able to understand this quite clearly.
The concept is like attaching moving limbs and legs to any particular body.
His legs move on their own, regardless of what they are attached to. If they are attached to the tortilla, they will move the tortilla, because the legs are pretty much just dragging the tortilla around.
Or the arms.
or eyes.
This isn't hard.
>>78646494The chop chop fruit has limitations explained in one piece. Of course it would be "autistic" to explain them so I'll just say you're wrong and be done with it.
>>78646536
What if we used a child or a baby instead?
Would they need to be dead?
>>78656571
These are all really important questions that nobody cares about.
>>78641897
Better question; if we swapped the pieces for Mr. and Mrs. would that count as a sex change or a full on body-swap like they traded physical locations?
>>78656571
What about toys that can already move and talk according to simple computer programs? Would these toys have free-will to move and say whatever they want like Woody and Buzz, or would the toy magic be unable to override the core programming?
>>78635714
I think it's just that each part of Mr. Potato Head works whether or not they're attached to his main body. That's why Mrs. Potato Head could see through her missing eye in the movie. So it's not so much that Mr. Potato Head needed to attach his body parts to the tortilla to work his body parts, it's just that it's easier to manipulate his limbs if they're attached to a body and arranged as per usual.
>>78657260
Woody is able to talk beyond the phrases he has built in, same for Buzz
IIRC
in toy story 3, they remark that the christmas decorations in the attic have sentience. so a lot of the arguments made in this thread lose some weight.
It just werks
>>78657015
Never stopped him from using a piece of plastic as body
>those Lays commercials of Mr. and Mrs. Potato Heaad discreetly buying and eating potato chips
>>78641897
Only one way to find out...
What about toys people cum on and such? Is it rape?
>>78659437
It's consensual, it's an adult way to play with toys and they love it.
>>78659470
that would be like saying the adult who straps various toys to the front of his garbage truck is playing with them and that the toys would love it
What about toys with extremely limited articulation/stiff joints/statueshit? Would their mobility be improved when they come to life, like the softer plastic army men, or would they just be frozen in place forever?
>>78635852
It's called Gumby.
It's pretty simple, he's controlling the parts on the tortilla, not the tortilla itself.
>>78646683
This. Almost everybody ITT is a retard
>>78656547
I dunno, in Toy Story 2, its acknowledged that Lawn Gnomes seem to be alive too.
>>78657690
That being said, they are unable to stop themselves from saying their prerecorded things when their string is pulled/button is presed
>>78660647
gnomio and juilet has to be in the same universe as toy story then, right?
>>78663690
Love that movie
>>78636221
That was actually what the original Mr. Potatohead toy was - a set of plastic body parts you could insert into an actual potato that you provided. It's a very OLD toy.That's also the reason behind this Mr. Hanky commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KIUM3uo2UA
>>78657174
The potato part is genderless. Mrs. potato head's eyes have lashes and lips have lipstick so their gender is defined by the parts. So it would be a full body swap.
>>78663565
Correct. Woody's phrase still plays from his innards when his string is pulled. Its even a plot point when he's trying to be stealthy.
>>78659673
Hard plastic toys like Mr Spell move sort of like someone trapped in a garbage can.
>>78667165
T-Them what is inside the garbage can?
>>78635785
>>78635714
Luminous beings are we, not this crude tater
>>78635714
>What if we pressed his face bits into a person? Does he possess them?
For purely academic interests, we need to explore this further.
What would happen if a dog consumed the pieces of a Mr. Potato Head doll? Would Mr. Potato Head be able to override the dog's consciousness and control its body? If a dog is too large, maybe they could control something smaller, like a bug? What if the Potato Heads were able to gradually work their way up to larger and larger flesh and blood vessels until, finally, they were able to control regular people like you and me?
Imagine, if you will, Mr and Mrs. Potato Head, after years and years of practice, descretely slipping their body parts into the food of Andy and his mother so they can ingest their plastic and allow them take over their human bodies? Mr. And Mrs. Potato Head could then reenact the ultimate roleplay-- a mother-son incest fetish that allows them to actually become a mother and her son. Imagine Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head as Andy and Andy's Mom, desperately trying to hold in their bowels for as long as they can, holding out for one more round. Eventually, they give in, and Andy and his mother regain consciousness on top of each other sweaty and naked covered in their own shit with plastic bits leaking out their anuses.
>>78635852
>Playdoh is The Thing.
>>78668816
>>78646494
Both the Chop Chop fruit (Buggy) and the Flower Flower fruit (Robin) have a limit to how far their generated limbs will react. Robin can't place/control limbs beyond a certain radius and Buggy can't control limbs of his that go outside of a certain area
>>78669983
Why doesn't he just tie his feet to his body? That way he isn't confined to a small space
>>78663565
>>78667049
So a furby would behave like a human with Tourette syndrome. It would be able to talk and move like the other toys, but it would constantly experience involuntary movements and vocalizations because it can't shut off the electronics controlling its motors and speaker.
>>78670802
Oh god. I can't imagine a worse hell.
>>78640160
Are toys consciousness metaphysical since they have no brains? And if so, does it still works like on cerebral wave patterns?
Could a toy be schizophrenic? Depressive, suffer from delusions? The one penguin with the squeaky box broken was really depressed, so was that Clown from 3.
If that's the case, could an insane toy not care about the status quo of acting numb when humans are around and fuck the entire secret for all the toys?
Could a megalomaniacal toy stage a take over? There's surely millions of more toys on earth than humans.
>>78671219
According to the Pixar Theory™:^), toys are artificial intelligences directly descended from the Omnidroid.
So yes, all of that is possible, except a toy takeover, because magic caused by quantum fluctuations from Inside Out, or something:^).
I swear to fucking god if theres a film theory on this next week I'll flip
>>78636499
look at the tortilla
tortilla isnt stiff enough to stay up like that.
>>78670522
The feet are the center point everything orbits the feet which need to be on solid ground otherwise he'd fall over. Perfectly logical.
>>78668816
a...any draw fags?
>>78668816
Why is this the most interesting thread on the catalog?
Though now it'll probably become fanfic porn material.
>>78672462
Oh, you mean like that Vanellope/Sid shock pasta?
>>78641777For Him
>>78641516
>I'm sure I could get you a part in Toy Story 3
>Barbie was one of the main characters of Toy Story 3
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