Is Blacksad a good comic or is it too furry?
>>78579818
It's a good comic. Most people who read it have no idea what a furry is.
It's a detective/crime drama comic where all the characters are also animals for no real reason.
>>78579818
>too furry?
Let me rephrase your question to be more accurate.
>Is Blacksad a good comic or am I too much of an insecure faggot?
To answer, the latter.
>>78579818
What is "too furry"?
>>78579848
>>78579827
>>78579851
What differentiates Blacksad from other comics and cartoons where the cast is anthropomorphic animals?
>>78579882
The art is much nicer looking then the norm. French artist and all that.
>>78579910
actually the artists are spaniards
>>78579937
Oh really? Shut my mouth then. Thought they were French.
>>78579882
It's good.
What's your issue, pal?
Do you really struggle to watch anything that features anthropomorphic characters because some fags find that sexually titillating?
I don't know, What differentiates Looney Tunes or Maus from other comics and cartoons where the cast is anthropomorphic animals?
>>78579910
Spanish.
>>78579827
>don't know what furry is
Will this meme go away. It's 2016. If they have access to the Internet, almost everyone has run into furry at least once.
>stan lee is a fur apologist
>>78579951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58HOojlSBt4
they speak french too and their comic is considered "franco-belgian"
Any place where I could download the comic from the beginning? I've been interested in giving it a look.
>>78579996
Go buy it you cunt
>>78579970
It's not a meme you dip, 95% of the people I know have no idea what a furry or a waifu are. I know for having brought up the subject of how fucked up it is. Not everybody spends their time on the internet talking about other people's fetishes.
Besides most people who have read this comic are from Europe, so no, they don't cross paths with furries too often.
>>78579818
Anon, having a homosexual animal-suit sex cult dominating a genre of cartooning is a very US-only thing.
>>78579818
It's pretty average crime/detective stuff...I'm not saying it's bad but I can't understand the rhapsodies some people sing to this comic, myself. Bryan Talbot's Grandville covers similar ground: anthro animals with a different setting, roughly the same genre and is the better series in my opinion. Neither are "furry" in the way I think you mean.
>>78581543
Grandville is better written but the art certainly isn't as elaborate as Blacksad.
>>78580043
>>78581672
I don't think that's a bad thing, myself. Guranido is a capable storyteller but his art is a little bit too showy for me. And his clothes (nearly) all look like they're made from the same material in the way they drape and fold.
Great art but the stories are pretty generic.
>>78579818
It's a fucking awesome comic.
>>78581788
Well yes, that's what I was saying. Germany doesn't have a comic industry and furries are rare in France and Belgium, so thanks for backing me up there.
>>78579882
No one cares if a comic or cartoon uses anthropomorphic animals. They care when it crosses some ill-defined line and becomes fucking weird and unsettling.
To ordinary people furry is just a slang for anthro animals. People normally call Blacksad or Usagi furry without any sexual connotations.
And OP is just a faggot trying to fit in or whatever.
>>78579951
Most European comics prioritize their releases in French since that's the biggest marker by a country mile.
>>78581672
The best art in Grandville are the covers. If the whole series was done in that b&w art nouveau style it'd be gorgeous.
>>78581788
>France nearly empty
Neat
>Meanwhile, in Germany
We should attach a dynamo to a box, put any remains of Hitler we can find in said box, then hang this picture over it.
Free energy forever.
>>78579818
The animals serve as a visual metaphor for character, though sometimes the reality of them being animals seeps through (animals with black fur being discriminated etc.). So it's more of a fable-like approach. Sometimes there are sex scenes, but I never got the feeling that those are put in there to show off some fur or scales.
To my knowledge, furry comics have furry people as protagonists and their characters don't have anything to do with that fact. They're anthrophomorphized animals because that's the whole point.
So read Blacksad, OP, it has a seldomly seen visual quality, almost looks like a fluid animated movie and the stories are great noir stuff.
>>78581788
>Germany
I guess I'll move to Spain or Italy. It's probably too hot down there for people to dress up in fur. Or I'll just move to Meck-Pomm, cause people there seem to have healthy fetishes.
>>78581788
>speaking a Germanic language significantly increases your chances of being a furry
This is some weird demographic shit.
>>78584233
and English comes from a Germanic language source
>>78579882
Females look like humans with animal makeup
>>78584233
Maybe it has something to do with Germans and English people being more reserved and timid. There is a saying that Germans go to the cellar, when they have to laugh (not true, but also not absolutely false). Being a furry is a somewhat out there fetish, but you can do it in full anonymity if you want to, because of the masks. So you're less inhibited.
>>78584298
Only the ones that are suppose to have sex appeal. Pic related.
>>78584322
A minority of furries go to the cons and a minority within that minority are the ones who have/wear fursuits. The bulk of people who like "furry" stuff just treat it has a fetish.
>>78584432
Well, sex appeal for Blacksad/'love' interests for him, I mean. I'm going through some pages and finding some women that don't look human.
>>78580041
>People in Europe don't cross paths with furries
Orangina rings a bell?!
>>78584233
>>78584322
The map kinda lines up with population density and urbanization density maps though.
>>78584432
>Only the ones that are suppose to have sex appeal.
But what about this skunk lady?
>>78584558
I said the ones for Blacksad. The ones who he flits with or raises an eyebrow at are all basically humans. An somewhat exception is here, since she actually has a muzzle.
>>78584652
flirts*
Also not sure if this counts or not, though if she were a dude she'd have a longer face rather than the flat, domestic cat one.
>>78584526
It's clearly a factor, but it doesn't explain the lack of furries in Italy and Spain. Clearly, Germanic languages are the key factor in determining furryism. Hell, the divide between Dutch and French speaking parts of Belgium is even apparent on the map.
>>78581788
>furries in vatican city
>none in south italy
ahahaah sto ridendo tanto
>>78584707
catholic shame?
>>78584558
Poor Weekly, will they ever meet again?
>>78584707
>>78584707
Both Austria and the german parts of Switzerland are pretty empty though, which kinda does rule out the pure german-connection. What is consistent across Europe's the connections between furries and high urbanization.
>>78579962
Labeling something as "furry" isn't simply about sexual stimulation -- it also encompasses weird otherkin escapism nonsense and those individuals that like the look of animal people despite professing no sexual response to them (i.e., the self-deluded). Anything with a rendition of characters as walking animals with human characteristics, with the rendition serving no significant in-story purpose -- and, indeed, even most works where these renditions and forms do serve a purpose -- falls under the purview of furries. A work might fall away from "furry" status if its usage of hybrids is necessary to its central conceit, themes, appeals to certain emotions, etc., like in Piper's Island of Dr. Moreau or Lovecraft's Shadow Over Innsmouth (not that the metaphor for miscegenation in the latter is a particularly admirable usage for his hybrid fishfolk). Personally, I've only found such creatures appreciable and "un-furry" when used for horror or illustration of the grotesque and undesirable; if an exotic and intelligent creature or person is needed in fantasy or sci-fi, it's better to use something more creative and alien than cat-girl or hyena-man or dragon/draconic-original-character-do-not-steal.
>>78585336
whats your stance on old disney stuff
>>78585360
Furry, but more excusable because it predated the modern stigma, and the establishment of an organised recognition of what "furry" actually was. IIRC, the term was first christened in the sense of our modern understanding of it in the 1980s at an American sci-fi convention, when in one of the booths discussion of alien humanoids with animal features arose among those with an attraction to them. They first distinguished themselves as a problem in the late 1990s when paraphiliac autists began harassing Disney animators about raunchier depictions of cartoon characters, to the extent that the shows concerned had to be cancelled. The series of events surrounding this are responsible for the modern taboo in animated shows of animal-human characters.
>>78584558
Funny how she's one of the only characters to have a tail. Even Weekly doesn't have one.
>>78585299
>>78584707
If I remember correctly, that map was originally from a German website, and then kinda passed on onto other local furry websites. So... yeah.
I never understood why people have to over analyze a fetish. Just do what you gotta do, there's no sense in trying to rationalize or justify it to anyone on the internet. If someone is into scat, good for them I don't really care what makes their penises hard, I just worry about my own.
I guess the internet will never change though. People will always be angry about trivial things.
>>78584233
Consider that the biggest European Furry convention - Eurofurence - has taken place in Germany for the last 10 years or so.
Also, the map in >>78581788 requires people to volunteer that information, so Spain (for example) could be chock-full of Furries who just haven't registered on that particular website.
What is the comparable Furry population density like for the USA?
>>78585619
Wow, what a jaded definition....
Anthropomorphism isn't limited to animals, and it's generally used to provide characterization
>A hyena lawyer
>Acrobat monkeys
>German Shephard police officer
Yes, you have exceptions, and no, it's only as fucking furry as the individual chooses to label it, and no, sexualizing it does not overtly make it furry.
>See The Great Mouse Detective
>See Warner Bro's Minerva Mink
>>78584480
>implying
>>78585160
Weekly spin-off when
>>78584707
>It's clearly a factor, but it doesn't explain the lack of furries in Italy and Spain.
Italy is a much poorer country than those of Northern Europe. Also the very few Italians who are interested in niche stuff are incredibly closeted about it.
>>78586333
And by niche stuff I mean anything that isn't football or TV shows.
> Nearly 60 percent of Italians don’t read a book from one year to the next, with almost a tenth of families owning no books at all, according to new figures from the national statistics agency, Istat.
Whats a furry
>>78583906
>Meck-Pomm
>healthy fetishes
toplel.jpg
>>78586632
>>78586632
vollsticks
>>78585822
>characterization
It's shallow and unnecessary characterisation that helps neither children nor adults, the former lacking knowledge of animal behavioural stereotype memes and the latter (assuming they're not retarded) not needing any such memes to determine characterisation. It's completely trivial and redundant, like how in Maus the Jews were made mice and the Germans cats; there is nothing of value in that pitiful little metaphor.
>sexualizing it does not overtly make it furry
When does sexualisation become necessary in any children's work? The sexualised characters in those garbage shows became the object of autistic furries' obsession, to this day; you can still see freshly created furry lewd garbage of those characters on this very site, to say nothing of the cesspits of DeviantArt and FurAffinity and who knows where else.
You're goddamn deluded if you think those shows and characters aren't furry trash, created by proto-furries and popularised to this day by the filthy brood of paraphiliacs and autists they engendered.
>>78586886
and what about maus by spiegel?
>>78586886
You sure put in a lot of effort for such obvious bait, but you'll have to try harder.
>>78585822
>it's only as fucking furry as the individual chooses to label it
It ain't punk rock 'til the punk rocker says it's punk rock.
It's only furry when the furry says it's furry.
If you see a cartoon animal and say "That's a furry", thenyou are a furry.
>>78586886
>You're goddamn deluded if you think those shows and characters aren't furry trash, created by proto-furries and popularised to this day by the filthy brood of paraphiliacs and autists they engendered.
You need to learn to see with eyes unclouded by fur. To me, there are no furries; there are only cartoon characters.
Do people seriously believe the furries are some grand conspiracy and that every antropomorphic character ever is directly pandering to a niche fetish community?
This kind of conspiratorial thinking just leaves me speechless. The thought of people whipping themselves into a frenzy over Disney antropomorphic animals because they have internalized a decade-old internet feud between 4chan and deviantart furries makes me really sad for humanity.
Literally the only bad thing about "furry" is autistic fandom drama and otherkin fursuit faggotry. Anything that isn't directly linked to that shit, especially fucking comic books and children's cartoons that have nothing to do with the furry fetish, is perfectly normal and fine to enjoy unless you're a gigantic autist.
I just don't understand. Is the entire furry panic just a gigantic ruse?
>>78587143
>I just don't understand. Is the entire furry panic just a gigantic ruse?
Things snowball easily on the internet
>>78586886
>and what about maus by spiegel?
>It's completely trivial and redundant, like how in Maus the Jews were made mice and the Germans cats; there is nothing of value in that pitiful little metaphor.
Can Blacksad be considered art?
>>78587707
The art in Blacksad is GOAT (no pun intended)
>>78585619
>the modern stigma
>the modern taboo in animated shows of animal-human characters
Outside of 4chan and SA, there really isn't a stigma. Look at Zootopia. Most normalfags just think "I like the cute funny animal people" not "goddamn I want to fuck that cat" or "YIFF IN HELL".
>>78587895
> implying normies don't wanna fuck that rabbit too
>>78587895
A lot of normies want to fuck Blacksad.
>>78587999
>normalfags
>reading comics
>reading non-cape comics
>reading non-cape Euro comics
>reading non-cape Euro comics with anthro characters
>>78588109
Well okay, but who wouldn't fuck him?
>>78584432
Got a pic of his rat maid? She looked pretty beastly, but still pretty.
>>78587999
(North American) normies have no idea what Tintin or Asterix are, much less Blacksad. Watching Avengers: Age of Ultron is enough to self-classify as a 'le epik and le random nerd le XDDD' so why go any deeper than that?
>>78581788
I've just discovered a Furry is living in the road next to me. What do /co/?
>>78588410
Yiff them.
You might need to come up your own OC Donut Steel sparkledog murrsona to commission a fursuit of first though.
>>78588410
Quit being a fag about it, you most likely have more neighbors that do far worse shit than wear a fursuit. Believe me, I live next to a meth-head that runs around naked during the weekends while he's high, I envy you.
>>78588410
Get outside and perform your best mating howl, that'll bring it to you.
>>78588500
>I live next to a meth-head that runs around naked during the weekends while he's high
At least that sounds amusing
>>78579882
1. It's not at all related to the fandom in any context whatsoever. "Furry" is a culture, and attitude. A very I'll know it when I see it deal.
2. It's french so anglos and/or germans, the ones with the biggest furry population, rarely know of it
3. cue 2., the series is too unknown for the fandom to appropriate like the do with every single anthropomorphic work
>>78579951
>>78579937
It's published in france tho'. Written in French too.
>>78587707
Why the fuck would it not be considered art?
>>78589497
>the fandom [appropriates] every single anthropomorphic work
I bet the average /co/mrade knows of more comics and cartoons with anthropomorphic animals in than the typical furry.
>>78589852
In that case can any /co/mrades recommend some other good comics with anthropomorphic animals?
>>78587707
Who is the stud in the front. That is an alpha way to sit
>>78591282
I sit like that all the time. Nice I can trick people!
>>78591282
You mean Blacksad? The main character of the comic this thread is about?
>>78587707
The fact that there is a fat fold detail makes me love the art even more. It make to more life like in a way.
>>78591318
>manspreading
>>78592623
>mansplaining manspreading
Blacksad has a very problematic depiction of what they consider to be attractive female bodies.
>>78588186
Rat maid? Which issue was she in? I haven't read them in awhile.
>>78596194
She's from the first comic. She's a qt but I think she's someone else's maid. I think Blacksad gets her to open an apartment or something.
>>78579818
I've seen the story time for it, the series is fucking awesome.
>>78579818
yes.
>>78596194
>>78588186
She's a cute.
>>78584807
>furries in vatican city
So does this mean there's a good chance there are furries in the Catholic clergy?
>>78600544
There's a surprising amount of devout christian furries, conservative furries, and military furries.
>>78579818
Yes.
>>78591031
Usagi Yojimbo and Autumnlands are very good ongoing series.
>>78600670
Does anyone have that imgur link which has a ton of pictures of furries publicly showing their pride and they're people from every branch of life from the military, police, teaching, west coast, east coast and everything inbetween? It really showed how ubiquitous this furry thing really is.
>>78579818
>>78581788
>checked the map
>top half of sweden is fur-free
thank you, based god
>>78601532
How does this work? Are furries a species in this comic or are those characters some sort of anomaly?
>>78598314
Glad to see it was appreciated :)
>>78591031
Albedo (sci-fi politics and war)
De cape & de Crocs (Cloak & Fangs, GOAT humor and cloak & dagger adventures)
Canardo (noir, famous but meh IMO)
La Bete est Morte (the Beast is Dead, ww2 with animals)
Donjon (dungeon, excellent fantasy, albeit some books have childish art)
Ralph Azham (by the author of Donjon, fantasy too, good but a bit inferior to Donjon)
The Fantastic Adventures of Lapinot (by the author of Donjon, modern adventures)
Sylvain & Sylvette (for kids)
Mouse Guard (med fan)
L'histoire du Corbac aux Baskets (the Story of the Crow that wore trainers. reminds me of the Metamorphosis by Kafka)
The Wind in the Willows (from the novel, cute tale about the english countryside)
The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck (if yuo haven't, READ IT)
>>78601744
Anomaly, though the result of interbreeding is never shown.
Think Lafontaine fables. You got half-human and not-human characters, they're aware of the differencies but it has mostly no consequences (with a few exceptions : an anthropomorphic wolf can catch canine diseases, when they are hungry, they want to eat the pig guy first, etc... But there is no racism or social distinction)
Check it if you can. It's an amazing work, and got a fan translation (even if most puns weren't translated and the poems don't rhyme anymore)On a sidenote, you have different species on this pic : Terrans, Moon People, Mimes
>>78601744
All-male species...SOMEhow. I call bullshit. Tired of seeing that cop-out. Artist is just uncomfortable drawing attractive animal ladies.
It is OK, honestly the art is the only thing that made me buy it, redoing and mashing up a bunch of old noir stories from novels with animals doesn't really impress me, if you want some good PI stories read some Chandler or Hammett
>>78601744
They're fable animals. Everybody knows that they're animals, but for all intent and purpose, they're treated like people with known bad habits.
>>78579818
I like it.
My only problem with it is that the stories are far too short so the endings seemed like they're rushed after all that build up.
Also because the stories are short it reads like the author has to put in too much character backstory in panels or pages.
For example, in Arctic Nation they accused the polar bear officer of being a pedophile and responsible for the missing girl.
Before there were no complaints that we knew of from parents of children that attended his choir and yet all it took was one accusation for his entire group to turn on him and hang him.
Inconsistent art style, which is a major sin for me; Some animals have tails, some don't. Some animals look like humans with paint, some have snouts. Trying to make the females attractive by making them look like human women with little dog noses is about the worst thing you can do. Plus I don't like the fact that the main character has a chin that's about three miles tall.
The writing tries hard to give you a classic storytelling feel but the plots are very simplistic and the main character is often handed the resolution instead of discovering it for himself.
It's just all around uninteresting.
![9782360140312_p_5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GeC2c8C.jpg "9782360140312_p_5[1].jpg")
>>78602742
Except don lope wife was a wolf, and we see Eusebe's mother in tome 11.
If you want the official reason : Ayroles loves archetypes, because they makes for great canvas that you can expand at will and are easy to use without breaking the character.
So most characters are archetypes with few traits and go through character development during the series (andreo, kader, armand, the pirates,...).
The animal archetypes have an utility because you can see immedialtely where they stand : Armand is the libertine french gentilhomme, Lope is the proud spaniard. Their dynamic is similar to that of Ysengrin and Renart in Le Roman de Renart.
Eusebe is the cute comic relief and the fact that he's a rabbit is exploited all along ("what kind of man are you, to dare flay a rabbit", montrer patte blanche, and so on...). Every animal character has a reason to be so.
There was no need to make that step with the female characters : Hermine is the gyspy girl, Selenee is the Precieuse (plus in the case of Selenee it would make some plot points obvious).
It's not limited to the girls : Mendoza, Senile, Kader or Bombastus, amonst others, wear their personality on their faces, so there was no need to make them animals.
>>78603629
The group was manipulated by Huk, which isn't too farfetched
>>78603629
There had already been rumors and the fox put a bloody dress in the bears car if I remember correctly.
>>78588410
Tell him to go back to his furry home country.
>>78600670
>>78600544
>Infiltrating every level of society
>The commoners
>Armies
>Politicians
>Religious structures
>Every level
>Every culture
Furlluminati...
The murrsonic lodge...
The yifftastic 12...
The old stories, they're all true. From Egypt to the modern day.
Old furs... Playing at running the world.
>>78589852
there's furry /co/mrades anon. that's the problem
there was a page where blacksad had a nightmare about animals being skinned alive with hooka and wires.
was there something more to that?
just an odd thing to see in an anthro comic win a realistic setting.
>>78605230
>there was a page where blacksad had a nightmare about animals being skinned alive with hooka and wires.
I don't remember seeing this page. Anyone able to post it?
>>78605230
Either it's basic nightmare stuff, or it's him remembering the liberation of the concentration camps.
>>78604220
>Inconsistent art style, which is a major sin for me; Some animals have tails, some don't. Some animals look like humans with paint, some have snouts. Trying to make the females attractive by making them look like human women with little dog noses is about the worst thing you can do. Plus I don't like the fact that the main character has a chin that's about three miles tall.
This is so nitpicky, it's disgusting.
>>78606389
looks like animals being tested on and being processed for meat.
gave me the impression that blacksad had an apocalyptic setting.
>>78606421
must have been some fucked up camps
>>78599661
Cartoon mouse/rat ladies are usually very cute for some reason, I've come to realize.
>>78579970
Not true. If I had not been browsing 4chan I would've never known that there were such weirdos out there as furries, diaper furries, bronies, sonic the hedgehog fans etc. I doubt any of my friends who doesnt browse 4chan knows what a furry is.
>>78581788
>Weirdos are, as usual, nestig in Germany
Why am I not surprised?
>>78604389
Got pics of said females? Said tomes don't seem to be that easy to find in english.
>>78607812
>gave me the impression that blacksad had an apocalyptic setting.
fucking lorefags, stop making stupid headcanons
>>78579882
the animals look like animals.
want a bad example? look up concession.
>>78579970
>It is the current year, right now
>>78599661
>one of the only female animals that actually looks like an animal.
i love this comic but the lady animal look fucking stupid
>>78608486
where the hell else would he get the idea of those machines in his timeline?
wasn't making a new headcannon but that page felt out of place in the blacksad comics.
>>78612476
The story is set in the 1950s.
>>78612442
Lady animals who most resemble their animal traits are probably viewed as being ugly as fuck.
>>78612108
>2011
>still using this /tv/ meme
>>78612537
and?
>>78608431
Don Lope's dead wife is only mentionned in one of the cover page (when they're inside the pot ; eyes and speech bubbles only), and Eusebe's mother looks like him. I don't have the scans of tome 11, sorry.
On a sidenote, there is no animal background character in De Cape et de Crocs, except the bear that is used for a few gags. It a very utilitarian approach to furry.
>>78607812
Good old Mengele probably wasn't far from that in some of his experiments.
>>78608285
Congrats on discovering your first furry fetish! Don't be alarmed, though, you're not an insufferable furfag until you impose it on others.
>>78587707
Yea, in the comic art community its rare, and when available can go for thousands.
>>78601669
>top half of Sweden is still Sweden
Wouldn't you be thanking Allah?
>>78587707
fuck i want to see an animated blacksad so bad. the artist behind this was also behind the 'freak of the week' animation music video.
that style would go perfect with the right music.
im surprised he hasn't made a kickstarter to fund a short blacksad teaser or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2vzBdIejVY
>>78611171
>the animals look like animals.
Male characters do. Female ones are an abomination.
>>78616519
Northern Sweden is too cold and rural for them. It's really only the cities that are a lost cause.
>>78622589
It's only a matter of time before they spread to the 'good' areas too, the govt. in general is a clusterfuck of retards.
