Who has the better collection of C-list villains, Marvel or DC?
>>78578257
I'm guessing DC would, they also hold best for collection for best A-list villains.
DC.
>>78578257
DC has better A-List villains thanks to Batman and whatnot, but I believe Marvel has better B and C-List villains. At least, I find them more memorable.
I see minor DC villains as just guys for heroes to beat up, but I see minor Marvel villains as actual characters if that makes sense.
>>78578257
does DC even have any recurring villains below B-list?
>>78578334
>I see minor DC villains as just guys for heroes to beat up
I think that's what makes them better, every hero has their own villains to deal with.
Mc has quantity which deludes the quality a bit while Dc has a Small cache of villains so they're more fleshed out.
MCs world is filled with more mutant everythings while Dc usually involves aliums or magiks
>>78578274
Why can't Marvel glorify their characters the way DC does?
Is it because most of their lower echelon characters from the 90s?
Marvel has villains? But all the heroes do is fight each other
>>78578361
I don't think Marvel has quantity, I think it's just that DC is terrible at fleshing out and using their minor villains so they get forgotten becase they use the big villains over and over again. Marvel uses its minor villains more because it doesn't overuse its major villains as much as DC does, meaning that minor Marvel villains are more fleshed out, which doesn't mean that major villains aren't fleshed out.
>>78578379
>This meme again
Yes, Marvel has villains. Believe it or not, over 90% of Marvel comics are still about heroes fighting villains. It's just that the ones about heroes fighting heroes tend to be events, which is the only thing many people pay attention to.
>>78578363
You're posting examples from cartoons. Marvel glorifies their villains in comics, just read them.
>>78578257
DC's roster is much deeper than Marvel's. Marvel has more A-listers, but once you get to the C and D-listers DC is much stronger.
>>78578532
>Marvel has more A-listers, but once you get to the C and D-listers DC is much stronger.
I think it's the other way around
>>78578515
>DC using tv to expose unknown characters to millions of viewers
>Marvel using comics to exhibit its lesser IP to thousands
>>78578257
DC has the best villains no matter their tier list are.
>>78578515
Doom isn't villain!!11!
>>78578562
The amusing thing is that now the tables have turned. Now Marvel has 3 cartoons where it exhibits its lesser known characters to millions of viewers while DC has nothing but Teen Titans Go! because CN is run by idiots
DC has much more love for their villains than Marvel does.
I mean look at Nigga Squad.
>>78578363
Why is DC so much better designed over all than marvel, Is it because of Bruce Tim?
That minimalisim and futuristic appeal is so hnnggg
>>78578582
Do people really remember the other characters aside from the main cast from those shows? It seems they redesign and rewrite their history to the point that they might as well be new characters.
>>78578257
Instead of company wars, lets name our favourite C-List villains from each company
Marvel
>Serpent Society
>Head Men
>Savage Land Mutates
>Sauron
>Red Ghost and Super-Apes
>Mad Thinker
>Mr Negative
>Maelstrom
>Count Nefaria
>Crossfire
>Jack O'Lantern
>The Final Horsemen
>Blackout
>Highwayman
DC
>Gentleman Ghost
>Injustice Society
>King Shark
>Royal Flush Gang
>Ratcatcher
>Evil Star
>Kanjar Ro
>Bolphunga the Unrelenting
>Felix Faust
>Great White Shark
>Fatal Five
>Toyman
>>78578339
> he hasn't read JSA
>>78578981
Should Spidey villains be promoted to A Listers now that they're associated with a top ranking celebrated hero?
DC. Best A-List, as well. Marvel's been spending way to much time on hero vs hero over the last few years, even as DC was doing Forever Evil and Sinestro Corps War.
>>78578334
Flash's villains are actually better, and more heavily humanized, than Batman's. In general, it seems like the opposite of what you say. In DC, you'll occasionally sympathize and root for guys like Black Adam the Secret Six, and Orm, while most of even Spider-Man's villains seems to be based more around their gimmicks.
Is there some sort of deeply humanizing and amazing story involving the Scorpion, Jackal, or Vulture I haven't read?
>>78579059
For Vulture? Yes actually. When he found out he had a grandson and he sort of reformed to spend more time with him, only for the grandkid to get cancer and him going back to crime in oder to pay for his chemotherapy.
Marvel generally has better villains
>>78578385
This, though it tracks with the fact that DC promotes the same 12 heroes while the very, very literary stuff is the same 4 or 5 Vertigo-tier guys.
And DC can't invent a new cosmic villain to save its life. At least Marvel had a super detailed pantheon structure in place by the 80s, but DC is still trying to figure out whether Morrison or Johns is defining multiversal canon.
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>>78579116
Try to not name someone in pic related.
>If you don't know who Validus is, you're a casual.
>>78579143
>but DC is still trying to figure out whether Morrison or Johns is defining multiversal canon.
Nope, MORRISON is the DC card and Johns i the WARNER BITCH.
>>78579235
Lel. A casual couldn't even name 10 of them. Only DC villains people know are Joker, Lex, Darkseid, Sinestro, Riddler, and Doomsday (plus some Batman villains). Prove me otherwise.
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>>78579116
I like both Marvel and DC but I have yet to find a Marvel villain I like more than Black Adam
>>78579511
I like both Marvel and DC too. But I think Marvel's villain roster is a bit better than DC's.
Most of the DC villains have this ''Fuck you, hero X'' kind of idea behind them while Marvel villains have purposes, ideals.
I'm not saying the thing DC's going behind is bad. But I prefer Marvel's.
>>78579044
Most of them are decidedly street level or only very slightly above it like Vulture and the pictured Shocker. It's part of why they can so easily be made compelling, they don't have to be fuck-huge threats, they can just want to knock over banks or steal research equipment.
>>78578594
I'm not so sure, Marvel has done plenty of solos and ensemble books for villains and given a lot of villains big stories.
>>78578532
For heroes maybe, but DC's lower-tier VILLAINS are kind of just there for cannon fodder. For the most part, you get some exceptions like Flash's rogues gallery or the Injustice Society from John's JSA run/ JSA Classified
>joker on a clown glider
Marvel has better c list villains.
They also have better a list villains,b list villains, a list heroes,b list heroes, c list heroes, and so on.
Everyone who reads both companies knows that.
Only people who say otherwise are autistic edgelords who only read dc like >>78579059, who even brings up shit like FE as good, while Marvel had stuff like Superior Foes or Axis out.
>>78581102
>everyone who's a REAL comic fan knows Marvel has better characters in every tier
>only autistic edgelords say otherwise!
>>78578582
TT Go features loads of minor characters
>>78579105
always liked vulture, can you give me exact story name for torrent
>>78581412
Can't remember the exact issue. It was during Mark Millar and Terry Dodson's run on Marvel Knights Spider-Man
>>78578257
I think Ultron could take Darkseid. Especially in his more recent incarnations.
>>78579488
>Dat moleman
>Dat Anhilus
>Dat eybrow guy
Side question for everyone. Have the villains even fought against each other in DC or Marvel that was a all out war like Injustice or Civil War?
>>78581469
I could take Darkseid.
DC has better everything
The Marvel universe isn't really a thing no matter how hard it's forced, nothing works well with each other
>>78578582
Marvel cartoons are shit desu.
>>78581102
Yes, yes. All casuals are MCUdrones who think that Superman, along with DC, is boring, except for Batman and Heat Legend. I bet you think that Civil War was well written.
>>78582252
Try reading comics sometime senpai
>>78582275
Try posting some baka kohei
>>78582252
This is spetacular. Which comic is this?
>>78582252
This is correct
Flash/Supes/Batman have better villains than Spiderman/Xmen
That's pretty much the A-list
DC just have more villain, better developed, more loved/used
>>78582298
Anta baka? Anon posts comics here all the time.
>>78579488
Where's the leader?
>>78581102
This
>>78582362
On the left of the Ultron.
>>78582298
Post a single panel from a shit comic like you did?
Nah senpai, I'm not here to shitpost.
>>78582403
>posts dreck like Avengers & X-Men: Axis
>I'm not here to shitpost
You should prove your point further by posting Avengers vs X-Men and Fear Itself.
>>78578257
>Marvel's big bad is just a rip off of Darksied
Aren't they embarrassed to promote him so much?
>>78578257
Marvel, but that's just my opinion.
I'm also one of few people who actually likes most of Iron Man's rogues gallery too so make of that what you will.
DC
It's obvious, how can anyone who knows both companies say otherwise?
>>78582444
I knew I was spot on when I said you don't read comics, because if you did, you understand I meant Axis Hobgoblin and Carnage.
>>78582531
Low quality bait desu senpai
>>78582578
List 10 Marvel villains who aren't Spiderman/Xmen related or archnemesis
>>78579235
>That Joker
disgusting
>>78582560
Axis Hobgoblin and Carnage ARE part of Avengers & X-Men: Axis.
>I knew I was spot on when I said you don't read comics
MCU has turned Marvel into the company that casuals, such as yourself, gravitate towards, who then make misinformed statements about DC without actually bothering to pick much of anything from the company up, save for Batman. If I didn't read comics, I wouldn't be defending DC's c-list.
Marvel puts out good books, but the new fanbase, itself, is awful.
>>78582781
>Marvel puts out good books
None of which sell well
>>78578257
>Not pitting the two Scarecrows against each other
>>78582781
Part of the event, not the same comic. God you're stupid.
It's so fucking obvious you're a wikifag
>>78582641
Blizzard
Wizard
Batroc the Leaper
Grim Reaper
Tiger Shark
Baron Mordo
Titanium Man
Ronan the Accuser
Super Skrull
And 10 more because why not
Crimson Dynamo
Shuma-Gorath
Nuke
Scourge of the Underworld
Blackheart
Taskmaster
Aaaand the Wrecking Crew will account for four more.
>>78582934
Wait forgot one.
Absorbing Man.
>>78582934
Nice Z-listers
>>78582957
>damage control
>>78582973
It really isn't
You just proved my point about Marvel villains being the drizzling shits
>>78582902
>part of the event, not the same comic
That's not how it works. You brought up two tie in comics from a generally shitty event, to argue that Axis, which is what you actually mentioned prior to the backpedal, is superior in quality to Forever Evil.
>>78582957
>named 10 villains
>THOSE ARE Z-LISTERS THOSE DON'T COUNT
>he says in a thread about villains who aren't A or B-listers
Poor quality bait.
>>78582995
Yes it is and not really. You asked for ten villains, he gave them to you, and instead of letting it go, you mocked the list like a child
>>78583025
>>78583030
I asked for the list to prove how shallow Marvels villain roster is
>>78583071
sure you did
>>78583014
Look pal, it's really easy if you use your fucking brain from time to time.
Were in a thread about villains.
I mention Axis.
Obviously I didn't mean the fucking Avengers neither the Xmen. Use your brain.
>>78582309
Justice League: Forever Evil
>>78583117
Are you implying not 10 other villains even existed?
>>78582934
Most of them are shit desu.
>>78583071
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>78583175
I like most of what I listed, but if you don't that's fine.
>>78583071
Name DC villains who aren't Superman/Batman/Flash or archnemesis
Instead of another fucking company wars thread, can we just make this a lesser-known villains thread? I personally love Hal's smaller time rogues, since I got into comics through him. I'm actually a tiny bit hype for seeing what Venditti does with Sonar (although his Evil Star was kind of shitty) and I'd love to see the Shark, Hector Hammond, and especially Doctor Polaris sometime soon.
>>78583175
>>78583071
>>78582995
>implying you've ever read anything about them..
And that's the difference between marvelfag and dcfags.
Marvelfags talk shit about shit they don't like, but nevertheless shit they know.
Dcfags are essentially religious extremists, they talk shit about everything that isn't what they like, no matter if they don't know shit about it.
>>78583223
Right off the bat DC is declared superior by having 3 solid rogue galleries as opposed to only 2
Black Adam
Sinestro
Mogul
Krona
Orm
Cheetah
Anti-Monitor
Parallax
Vandal Savage
Dr Sivanah
Crime Syndicate for 5 more
>>78583353
Niggers half of these are Superman, flash and batman related
>>78578363
Is that Anti-Monitor in the middle?Nice.
>>78583353
>Black Adam and Sinestro
>Villains
Jonhs made then so morally gray that you can barely see colours on their stories, we can't barely call then villains at this point, same would go to Luthor
>>78583223
Vandal Savage
Black Hand
Ocean Master
Calculator
Deathstroke
Atrocitus
The Guardians
Sinestro
Terra
Sivana
All of these are actually good, by the way. Nice restriction, which actually exempts innumerable C and B listers. This is a stupid question given how little effort it would take to name ten of dubious quality. Anyone would be able to do the former by watching the Flash (monsters of the week aren't Flash villains, but of Firestorm and other heroes).
>>78583372
They're just big enough they can crossover between series
>>78583387
World War 3
Adam will never be accepted by the heroes
Sinestro too is still ultimately a bad guy doing bad selfish shit
Marvel has the best Z listers and puts them to use better.
PROVE ME WRONG!
>>78583427
Well, if you can't think of non superman/batman/flash related villains you can say so, stop with the stupid exuses
>>78583353
>>78583401
Black Adam, Sinestro, Parallax, Vandal Savage are all archnemesis. Rest is shit.
Oh and about the restriction thing, >>78582320
>>78583481
Mogul/Savage are GL/JL villains originally, you retard
>>78583387
Lex, despite being well developed and multifaceted, isn't a good person, and tried to literally shoot Superman in the back the first chance he got. He's a great villain, because you can get through the overwhelming bulk of something like Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, buy into his rhetoric about elevating humanity, only to remember what he is after he blows up a middle school.
>>78583485
Who is Savage the archnemesis of?
>>78583514
They are Superman/batman/flash related. End of story.
>>78583527
>Stop listing villains who are good enough to be used in multiple titles
What the fuck are you even arguing?
>>78583525
Wally
FF's rogue gallery is better than both Superman and Flash's rogue gallery combined.
Prove me wrong.
Protip: You can't.
>>78583558
For fuck sakes, Savage is the archenemy of Anthro
>>78583353
Nice Z-listers
>>78578602
costumes designed mid century hold up better than 80s and 90s designs.
>>78583555
You are simply going off topic because you have no straight answer , and you can't even prove a point.
That's what I'm arguing.
>>78583580
>>78583573
>I don't read comics
>>78583603
so you can't prove me wrong?
>>78583603
>I don't read comics but I imply that people who actually read comics don't read comics.
>>78583573
Flash Rogues are the best anon. They're literally called the Rogues.
>>78583645
FF villains are better.
>>78582973
we're listing villains anon. Not miniseries.
>>78583673
other than Doom and maybe Namor what else have they got? Hans Moleman?
>>78583674
Did you relpy to the wrong person?
>>78583702
>Not knowing Damage Control
FFS Anon, I thought you were a Marvel Zombie?
>>78583699
>Skrulls
>Kree
>Galactus
>Gladiator
>Impossible Man
>Terminus
>Super Skrull
>Terrax
>>78583645
more specifically, Flash's Rogues are fantastic because they cover such a wide range of character archetypes that work in a wide variety of different scenarios and stories. You've got your honorable thieves like Captain Cold, your complete psychos like Reverse Flash, dominating megalomaniacs who want to take over the world like Grodd, guys with legit psychiatric disorders like Heatwave, etc etc.
Batman's rogues gallery covers a similar range of villain types, but I think the Rogues' relation to Flash is more interesting than Batman's.
>>78583699
Super-Skrull
Terrax
Galactus
Annihilius
Ronan the Accuser
Kang
Overmind
Abraxas
Puppet Master
Mad Thinker
Maximus
Moleman
Molecule Man
Hyperstorm
Giganto
Diablo
Devos
Brute
>>78583786
Literally all of those have been whored out to other Marvel Heroes anon. I don't think Gladiator is even a bad guy anymore.
Most Marvel characters have a weird mix of a couple decent villains. Sometimes 1-2 at best and a lot of totally forgettable characters.
Spiderman and X-Men villains getting the most attention of all. And some Fantastic Four villains sort of became bigger and more popular than the series that spawned them.
DC has large teams that are popular like all the Batman and Flash villains. But for the longest time everything mildly associated with Green Lantern, Aquaman and Wonderwoman were just beneath shit tier.
Want some fun C-Listers then look no further than Hawkman villains.
>Guy who owns a magic cloak that teleports him anywhere in the world
>Giant mutant lion
>Psychotic homicidal rape victim girl that flies
>Cowboy that does not use guns, only rope tricks
>>78583485
>Black Hand
>shit
Nah. And the same is true of everyone else on that list. Ocean Master, particularly his New 52 incarnation, is great.
>actually calling Deathstroke/Slade shit
Forgot about the archnemesis restriction, with Sinestro. Replace Sinestro with Clock King, King Shark, or the Hunter's Three.
>>78583794
Batman tells a very specific story though, it's about consistency
>>78583921
>Flash villains
>Popular
>>78584007
>Batman villains
>consistent in tone
read more Silver Age, anon
>>78584047
>I don't read comics
>>78579116
Marvel villains always follow a theme of some kind
>Spider-Man villains are usually animal themed or have animal costumes
>Captain America villains are all communists, nazis, or some evil national flag wearing character
>Iron Man villains are technological or power armored
>X-Men villains are mutant political supremacists
>FF villains are space monsters or space gods, or just with/for space monsters and space gods
>>78584058
The best/prominent ones
Croc/Manbat/Clayface are a tier below
Prometheus, Deadshot and Prometheus only got one story
Dc my man
>>78584129
*Catman
>>78584086
That doesn't make them bad or less interesting though.
>>78584060
>Implying implications
>>78579612
Spider-Man villains tend to just really hate Soider-Man a lot. They are almost Flash rogues in that regard.
X-Men villains all have some other lofty world altering goal that the X-Men keep getting in the way of all the time.
FF villains just want to conquer the universe.
Iron Man villains are usually industrial rivals or represent someone that Tony is personally rivaled with outside the suit.
>>78584181
>Iron Man villains are usually industrial rivals or represent someone that Tony is personally rivaled with outside the sui
Stop watching movies
>>78584181
Other than Spidey, you just proved my point.
You never read Iron Man, didn't you?
>>78584256
I also agree about Spidey by the way.
>>78584181
The Rogues would rather ignore Flash if they could
Xmen villains are actually really shit once you consider all the popular ones became heroes (Magneto/Emma/Apocalypse)
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>>78584285
>The Rogues would rather ignore Flash if they could
>Attack on Hero X: Rogue Gallery
Same thing goes with Spidey and Batman
>>78583921
>Look I read a wikipedia article then started talking out of my ass like I know something
>I have never read a comic in my life
>>78584390
I think majority of the Spidey villains are just random bank robbers that Spiderman got in the way and stopped them. Now they want to rob banks and get revenge at the same time.
Doc Oc, the Goblins, and anyone wearing a symbiote have a personal grudge or two. The rest want fast cash.
>>78584477
That's sort of how Flash's main Rogues work. He's got recurring villains who don't associate with the Rogues as well (usually because they're bugfuck insane, like the Reverse Flashes or Abra Kadabra, or megalomaniac dictators who don't work well with others, like Grodd.
>>78584285
>The Rogues would rather ignore Flash if they could
The Rogues actually have a very high level of respect for the Flash. Captain Cold actually has a code against murdering children, so they can respect what he does as a hero. Any conflict they have with him is strictly business.
>>78579612
>Most of the DC villains have this ''Fuck you, hero X'' kind of idea behind them while Marvel villains have purposes, ideals
Yeah. This post is wrong.
>>78584847
The rogues have a general no kill rule since it attracts to much attention
Killing civilians attracts cops
Killing cops attracts The Flash
>>78578363
Simple, Marvel kills its characters.
The Joker never dies so he's always there for Batman. Goblin could be killed in an issue and not seen for months.
Then Marvels other problem is that many Heroes become Villains and vice versa, but DC just keeps bad guys as they are.
>>78585654
DC has no problem murdering post Silver Age characters by the dozen.
Almost all of Kyle Rayner's villains are dead, half of Wally's, anything associated with Infinity Inc or Young Justice is gone, everything associated with JSA and All Stars is gone, and majority of the 90's era legacy heroes are wiped clean.
It's just those "iconic" silver age 60's era characters that are untouchable.
