>Ms Marvel is the only successful character Marvel has created in the last 15 years
>Ms Marvel is the only successful Marvel legacy character
>Ms Marvel is Marvels most successful female character who can sustain an ongoing
>Ms Marvel is the only good book Marvel is publishing
Prove me wrongYes, I realise the pic isn't from a Ms Marvel book
>>78555328
>Ms Marvel is the only good book Marvel is publishing
>>78555328
Silk.
Much as I like Kamala, Silk.
That claim about the only good book is just silly and you know it.
>>78555328
>Prove me wrong
Her sales are shit.
There, I proved you wrong.
>>78555328
>Ms Marvel is the only successful character Marvel has created in the last 15 years
not true
>Ms Marvel is the only successful Marvel legacy character
Also not true. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Miles Morales initial run was a better seller than Ms Marvel
>Ms Marvel is Marvels most successful female character who can sustain an ongoing
Nope. She-Hulk says hi
>Ms Marvel is the only good book Marvel is publishing
far from true
>>78555376
>Her sales are shit.
But they're not, they're as good as most long term established ongoings
>>78555328
Jessica Jones and Maria Hill are both relatively popular.
>>78555379
>Nope. She-Hulk says hi
didn't her ongoing collapse?
>>78555379
>She-Hulk says hi
Much as it pains me, that one is highly debatable in the face of her latest representations, barring the short appearance in Totally Awesome Hulk.
>>78555363
>Silk.
Ms Marvel #1 (vol 2) - 80,000
Silk #1 - 60,000
>>78555394
Neither of whom can sustain an ongoing
>>78555379
>She Hulk
Should be but when was the last time she had an ongoing?
>>78555418
What did Ms Marvel vol 1 #1 sell?
>>78555418
I did not say she was more popular or successful.
Just that Kamala is not the only one, which was the claim to disprove here.
>>78555437
Last year. But the art was not great and it didn't sell too well.
Not sure if it was planned as a mini, but it ended quickly.
>>78555446
Those are both the figures for vol 2 this November after the relaunch
Ms Mavel vol 1. 50,000
Silk vol 1. 75,000
Ms Marvel has gained popularity while Silk has lost it
>>78555459
I'll accept her as a success if there's ever a Silk issue with "#13" across it
>>78555328
>stuffed crust
How decadent.
>>78555508
That is not quite fair, given her release shortly before the general renumbering.
Or are you factoring that in?
>>78555529
Yes. Their Imam will have a thing or two to say about that.Namely to save him a slice or two. Guy is pretty chill.
>>78555393
hell no they aren't she wasn't even top 50 for most of her run. She only makes top ten on comicology which is ONE site and makes a up a small fraction of comic sales. Also Miles outsells her
>>78555437
No, they can just support tv shows. Far less impressive
>>78555597
>TV shows
>Netflix
>>78555508
It's not like it was cancelled for low sales every fucking thing got restarted for secret wars.
>>78555631
Fine, just shows. Gotta be so specific around here.
>>78555328
>Ms.Marvel is the only good book Marvel is publishing
Astonishing Ant-Man
Contest of Champions
Captain America: Sam Wilson
Howling Commandos of S.H.I.E.L.D
New Avengers
Spider-Man 2099
Uncanny Avengers
Karnak
Totally Awesome Hulk
Guardians of Infinity
Daredevil
Spidey
Squadron Supreme
Starbrand and Nightmask
Scarlet Witch
Deadpool
Wolverine
Howard the Duck
Ms. Marvel
Silk
Carnage
Hawkeye
Ultimates
Vision
Hercules
Nova
>>78555595
40 Silk #7 - 36,477
43 Wonder Woman #44 - 36,151
44 Flash #44 - 36,111
50 Ms Marvel #18 - 33,761
52 Grayson #12 - 32,284
56 All New Hawkeye #5 - 31,141
57 Batgirl #44 - 30,654
58 Starfire #4 - 30,485
60 Daredevil #18 - 29,945
93 Silver Surfer #14 - 23,008
Kamala marks the first time somebody made a superhero character as good as Spider-Man. Or Peter Parker, if that is putting it better. What's better is that every time somebody tried to remake Spider-Man the result was either a failure or nowhere near as good and successful.
Kamala however was never supposed to be the next Spider-Man, she just turned out so well. She really goes to show that flatly aping stuff never works.
If Kamala can just get a supporting cast that's only half as good as Peter's, she'll become an institution as well.
>>78555656
Jessica Jones got a show because it was cheap, you retard and anything Marvel Studios does does relatively well due to marketing
When was the last time even a regular TV show, nevermind a Netflix show got this much marketing?
>>78555712
check the months before that son she was 60 and even as far back as 9 fucking 2
92 Ms Marvel 14 $2.99 Marvel 32,058
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html
When did Kamalafags become so obnoxious and shitty?
>>78555328
So... are the adults Kamala's parents?
Because I like how her dad takes the piss out of her layabout older brother.
>>78555873
>32,058
That's a good number?
She outsold, Ironman, Hulk, Ant-man, Carol and andjectiveless X-men
>>78555923
Yeah, the brother is the best character t.b.h
>>78555948
It's good, but it isn't as good as long established ongoings like anon said. She is doing as good as most c-listers can hope for but she certainly isn't topping the charts like anon implied.
>>78556072
>She is doing as good as most c-listers
Cap, Flash, WW, Aquaman etc hit betwen 40-30k
What does that make Hulk, DD and IM?
D-listers?
>>78556127
No it means they have terrible sales. What is great for her is mediocre for something that should be more well known. More people know captain america than they do Kamala, so when they do near the same numbers if reflects badly on cap. It's like if a professional NBA player had a close game with some random guy off the street. Even if he won people would expect better of him.
>successful
she's the 2010's jubille. Topical and ready to be disposed. they didn't even try to give her an original power, they know she's temporary. Probably already programmed her death.
>>78556308
>they have terrible sales.
>Everyone but Batman, Spiderman and X-men have terrible sales
>>78556396
hurr
>>78556396
>waifu slander
>>78556396
At this point is it possible for any comic character to have an original power?
>>78556396
>they didn't even try to give her an original power
You know, I think this is the largest reason I didn't click with the book. Readers who are new to Marvel or new to comics won't care much, but for established readers, a new face on an old twist is par for the course.
>>78556760
The superhero element isn't even the draw of the book
>>78555328
what about spider-gwen?
>>78556731
yes, but they mostly appear on side character and to be original at this point they need to be fairly creative and weird, so if the character ever gets used by other writers their powers will be simplified to simple energy blasts and or punches.
>>78555363
As much as I like Silk, there's zero buzz about her. She's going to have her run with her team and then get quietly shelved or killed like every other secondary spider-girl.
>>78557569
Spider-Gwen sucks and you know it.
>>78557709
Yeah but she'll be forced since she's permanently in 616 now and Gwen
>waifu wars thread
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
>>78555717
The problem with new characters is that the Fandom rarely gives them a chance or editorial decides to kill them off for shitty events instead of promoting them better. See Avengers Academy, we should have seen promotion or a cartoon in light of the Avenger movie success, instead they kill them off and shit on the survivors in two of the worst stories that year.
It's a vicious circle.
>>78555328
Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. Marvel's had plenty of characters that seemed to be the next big thing - the Runaways, Fortress and Hazmat, even Ultimate Spider-Man. Just remember that it only takes one or two shitty writers to stop that momentum cold.
>>78555328
>mfw Kamala's brother join's ISIS
>>78555328
Kamala is literally a focus group superhero designed to pander to the millenial "le nerdy tumblr gurrrls" demographic.
>Brown
Check.
>Awkward
Check
>Nerdy
Check
>Religious/ethnic minority
check
>tumb- I mean, Yamblr user
check
>>78560542
MURMAIDER MURMAIDER MURMAIDER MURMAIDER
>>78555595
>a small fraction
10-20% is more than just a small fraction, but yes, it's still only a few thousand sales per issue compared to the tens of thousands they get from diamond.
>>78560542
And yet horny white dudes buy her comics
>>78560649
Yeah, it shows that they can't do their jobs right, lol
>>78555328
>Ms Marvel is the only successful character Marvel has created in the last 15 years
No. Runaways, Young Avengers, Jessica Jones have all proven success -- and if you wish to argue, why not ask where she's going to be in a decade?
>Ms Marvel is the only successful Marvel legacy character
She-Hulk and Mayday Parker (a.k.a. THE LONGEST RUNNING FEMALE LED TITLE AT MARVEL AND ONLY ONE TO REACH A #100) disagree.
>Ms Marvel is Marvels most successful female character who can sustain an ongoing
Currently? Perhaps, but again, Mayday Parker. The Spectacular Spider-Girl.
>Ms Marvel is the only good book Marvel is publishing
Opinion and therefore cannot be proven wrong.
>>78560312
>Fortress and Hazmat
At no point did they ever seem like the "next big thing." Never. They were in a decent, if low selling, book that proceeded to shit the bad and became outright bad halfway through (everything after the Fear Itself tie-in is hot garbage). At no point did they ever reach the same heights as Runaways and USM, and you'd have to be as delusional as Academy-X fans who thought they'd take over as the new X-men to think they were ever going to be anything more than more throwaway Marvel teens, of which we have decades worth.
You're right about Runaways and USM though.
>>78560665
Compare the number of brown girls/women in comics to the number of brown boys/men and the real motivation is clear.
>>78560649
because they have a Bruno to self insert as
>>78560676
Not OP but,
>Runaways
Successful but shit
>Young Avengers
Unsuccessful and shit
>Mayday
>A character that hasn't had an ongoing in at least a decade
>>78560749
It's disgraceful
>>78560764
Isn't Bruno Italian? I thought Italians got their white privileges revoked back in the 1920's
>>78560787
The point that guy is making is that Kamala isn't the succeful legacy or female character and there is no telling if she will hold up years from now.
>>78555328
Agent Venom is a successful legacy character
>>78560943
They got it back when Scalia became a Supreme Court justice
>>78561026
>isn't the most
forgot most
>>78560787
Mayday's last headlining book was in 2009, with several guest appearance/backupstory works for like a year after (Spider-Man Family).
So, by "At least a decade" you mean "less than half." Okay then.
The rest is your irrelevant opinion.
>>78561256
Does that mean black people count as white too now?
>>78561421
No, it just means Clarence Thomas counts as white now
>>78560764
I like the bits of Ms. Marvel that I read, but I'm not an avid reader of the book. It's freaky how much Bruno looks like senior year of high school me though. My girlfriend wasn't all that dissimilar from Kamala either.
>>78561437
>italian becomes supreme court justice, whole race is white status
>black becomes supreme court justice, only he receives white status
>black becomes the goddamn president, still nothing
I feel cheated
>>78555459
This would be a really cute picture if it weren't for the fact that She-Hulks arm looks like a lumpy mass of tumors instead of a arm.
>>78561516
Black people are only allowed to be hard-left liberals, any deviation from that is heresy and assimilation into the ciswhiteheteropatriarchocapitalist world order
Similarly Obama is too problematic to be counted as black; he's mentally white or high-yellow at best
Scalia's skin alone may not have qualified as white before, but his conservative ideology proved that Italians are all shitlords deep down inside, so they can be white now too
She's a gimmick character. She wouldn't be popular at all if she was a Catholic or Amish.
>>78561673
Amish perhaps. They're "ethnic" enough to garner tumblr praise
>>78560602
>>78561747
>Amish perhaps. They're "ethnic" enough to garner tumblr praise
What? since when? Are you sure they just don't claim that amish are non-white like they did with sami?
>>78562205
They have a culture that isn't american consumerism. Tumblr is just full of self-loathing and latches on to anything different. Race just color codes it to make it easier for them
>>78555328
Amir is such a piece of shit.
>>78556396
>they didn't even try to give her an original power
When was the last time any shapeshifter got portrayed positively in Marvel, let alone headlined a solo-book?
>>78562503
He's hilarious
Issue #19 where he didn't want superpowers was a high point
>>78555328
Ms. Marvel is great because Wilson put so much time into developing her supporting cast.
Spider Girl 100 issues
Amazing Spider Girl 30 issues
Spectacular Spider Girl 12 issues
that's 142 issues SOLO. What's Ms Marvel up to now?
>>78563228
Around twenty, I think?
>>78563228
Spider-Girl was only successful because its small fanbase would flood Marvel with physical letters every time they considered canceling it.
>>78563521
Being Spider-related is also a boost, like being part of the bat-family
Think she's the only one with a full endorsement though
>>78555674
>Cap: sam wilson
>howling commandos
>new avengers
>uncanny avengers
>any guardians book after the happening that is bendis
>daredevil
>wolverine
>the fucking utimates
>nova
>fucking implying any of these, pham
>>78563521
>the series was only successful because it had strong fan support for over a decade that went to lengths to make sure it survived.
so the series was a success, because it was a success. Is basically what you're saying.
>>78561239
Not when he's still deep under the original Venom's shadow.
>>78563819
And most would have Eddie Brock back as Venom in a heartbeat
>>78560542
The difference between her and, say, She-Thor or black Spiderman is that brown Muslim doesn't define her character. She's an actual character with actual depth that doesn't end at her skin. That's why its not just tumblr that likes her.
>>78555328
I wonder, do they call her beta since she's the second child?
>>78563956
Bit harsh
Miles is somewhat similar to a young Peter and I'm seeing Whor as a quite desperate individual
>>78563956
>She-Thor or black Spiderman is that brown Muslim doesn't define her character
You have a point about Jane Thor because of the Titania incident but how does being black define Miles character when his race is never brought up in his book?
>>78555717
HAHAHAHAHA, what?
Kamala is just as much a Spider-Man as Static or Jaime Reyes or Doomed. She's a good Spider-Man, but she's grounded in the same archetype and setting as Ditko's Peter Parker.
>>78564089
Except she's not a total social outcast like Peter was.
>>78560411
>Implying he isn't already working for them
>>78564398
She will be when her family throws acid in her face.
>>78564398
give it time for Inhumans to be reduced to another punching bag of the citizenry
>>78564819
You actually seen her family? The mom completely supports Kamala as Ms. Marvel, the dad is just a big tea-sipping softie, and the brother only uses his faith to dodge work.
>>78564937
So far, everybody is loving the Inhumans. The haters are actually in a very, very tiny minority.
>>78555328
Those sound like the most awesome parents ever. And did the mom just call her daughter a beta?
>>78555674
>Implying spidey is a good comic
>>78555328
Sandniggs pls leave
>>78564745
>aamir
>working
good joke anon
>>78555328
Kamala = Muslim/Imam pedophilia
Kamala fags are sick and pig disgusting fans
>>78565647
edgy
>>78565031
Mutant haters used to be a tiny, yet vocal minority in the MU too. They had made real social progress for decades Then writers that are lazy shits with no reading comprehension ability to research older comics came along and now everyone hates mutants again.
>>78555347
>Ruins the only good Hyperion they ever made by making him man of murder.
>>78555379
The longest run a female character had in a Marvel comic without relaunches and it kept the same writer throughout it was Spider-Girl, but even then it wasn't high selling and according to DeFalco Marvel's old marketing team wanted to axe it.
>>78563027
This, KSD gave a shit cast to Carol and they were bland as fuck and she ocassionally switched them around too, I think the cat was the one that got the most character development even an arc for itself.
>>78564034
Nor is him being Hispanic, despite the fact that Bendis likes to constantly remind people about it even teased him being possibly gay just to up the sales but that never happened eitheir.
>>78566884
Ugh... Kit was essentially Scrappy-Doo-levels of bad.
>>78563521
Not just that but they got off their ass and did the marketing themselves, they made posters and retailers let them put them up in their store, they bought comics and gave them to people during free comic book day, made events with fun Q&As for kids and gave away Spider-Girl and Marvel Adventures comics as prizes.
They also donate Spider-Girl comics to libraries and other, Hell one of the reasons I got into comics was because of a Spider-Girl fan bought me a 1 year subscription for Spider-Girl and when it was over I went to a comic store to buy the comic (and then Ingot hooked on more comics).
All this with little to no support from Marvel Comics because they wanted the comic gone, but in the end it proved popular enough to give Mayday's universe its own little event.
>>78563521
>>78566843
He talked in a podcast and said that Spider-Girl was selling fine but Marvel's marketing team would pick titles to cancel only based on what they thought was not going to sell and Spider-Girl was always among them.
Also SG was part of the MC2 an imprint that was already gone and Marvel and the marketing team just wanted a title that they thought would sell better than Spider-Girl in her place.
That's also part of the reason why Araña was created in that abysmally boring comic but the character grew out of that (although poor Anya also is barely in comics and the Web Warriors writer is a Gwenfag).
Once Mayday was finally gone they gave Anya the Spider-Girl title despite years and years of Anya hating being called Spider-Girl.
The sales spikes were part of what
>>78567384
>Once Mayday was finally gone they gave Anya the Spider-Girl title despite years and years of Anya hating being called Spider-Girl.
I still find it hilarious (and sad) that Anya's tenuer as Spider-Girl was easily her worst time. sales wise, story wise, just . . . everything.
>>78566598
>the only good Hyperion they ever made
Fuck off.
>>78555717
So to make a successful character in marvel you just have to make spiderman?
>>78567942
Still better than Mattie Franklin, who was pushed so hard in the 90s as the next big Spider-Woman only to all-but-vanish for over a decade and then get killed by the Kravenoffs to absolutely no response from Spidey, her uncle J. Jonah, or anybody else.
>>78555328
Really? Not the reformation of Deadpool, or reformation of the Guardians, or reformation of Moon Knight, or Jessica Jones, or Miles, or the Nextwave characters, or anybody else?
Why are you such a lying faggot, OP?
>>78560649
>/co/
>buying floppies
LOL
>>78568094
Oh, and don't forget being used as a source for MGH in Alias because she fell so far under the radar. Can't forget that.
>>78568265
Hey, I trade wait!
. . .
I'm sorry.
>>78556731
Yes it is. Have you ever heard of a character called "Gravity"? I was actually the original designer for the power set and suit, but Marvel stole my idea, made him another goofy teen in New York, and the character was quickly forgotten in less than a year. But I learned from my mistakes and made up a new super hero with better powers and backstory and made sure to get a federal copyright to protect the idea. So yes it is possible, just not very successful in every attempt.
>>78555418
>HURR DURR DERP SALES = QUALITY
By that Logic, Scott Snyder's Batman and Dan Slott's Amazing Spider-Man are some of the greatest comics out there!!!!! And Harley Quinn is one of the greatest female capes!!!!!
>>78568273
How is that even possible? Mattie's not a mutant. She got her powers from some ancient ritual... and for that matter, I don't even know what her powers are.
>>78569637
Standard Spider-Powers + Arachnid legs akin to Doctor Octopus.
>>78569949
The legs I remember. She got those from an evil Spider-Woman.
Course, it doesn't matter now. As far as Marvel's concerned, the only Spider-Woman that ever existed was Jessica Drew.
>>78560749
Does pre-transition Sera count?
Other than that, it really depends on how you count Latinos.
Those comprise a large group among the male characters that could qualify as "brown".
>>78568932
>>>/reddit/
I liked the Avengers Academy kids, too bad they trashed the concept then murdered most of the characters.
dear god the art style of the op is just hideous
>>78570802
Still not the worst in the special and mostly on character.
Because Amanat was having a tight grip.
