There is a new Kickstarter update out for Hiveswap.
The highlights:
>Hiveswap is now 2D
>Hussie clarified why he laid off his NYC staff
>Andrew made sure to mention Toby's still working on it
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game/posts/1453119
>>78436445
Oh hey, i remember her from the minus 8 flash
ahahahaHAHAHAHAHA
>>78436445
Young mom is cute. cute.
Digging the house design.
>>78436445
This is gonna crash and burn and I'll watch it until the very end.
>>78436445
You're burying the lede here, there's also a newspost on the site.
Homestuck's finale is now projected to end on 4/13/16, and will have 30 minutes of animation.
>>78436510
It's literally just Roxy.
I wonder if I should get into Homestuck now.
>>78436676
Fucking hussied again
Why can't I get off this ride, even for Christmas
>>78436676
That's certainly news.
It almost makes me want to actually go through all the text-logs I never bothered to read and read every wall of text that I skipped.
Oh, right, that's why I skipped them.
>>78436445
That background is detailed nicely but it hardly looks like Homestuck.
It's been so long since I donated that I can't even care about this. I don't even read Homestuck anymore. I stopped reading to wait for him to finish the story and then he went on hiatus forever to work on the game that I paid for. Now neither the comic nor the game are finished and I've lost interest in both.
>>78436510
Joey is cute! CUTE!!!!!!!!
>>78436701
Sure, why not.
>>78436445
Honestly, this is for the best. The 3D they were using looked ugly and low-quality. They should've done 2D from the start.
Though it's kinda funny Hussie trying not to address being ripped off as hard as he can.
Hussie is as much of an artist as Egoraptor is an animator.
>>78436693
exactly
>>78436472
lel
>>78436849
Oh snap!
>>78436472
i don't think that flash was -8
>>78436472
waaat
>I will have to consider his game one of the better legacies of Homestuck
>I feel very proud of what Toby has accomplished
hussie even hinting at taking some credit for radiations game is disgusting
>>78437120
I think Radiation's Homestuck music gave him enough exposure to make his Kickstarter successful, but that's about it.
>>78436958
I found it at a minus8 thread, noone really argued against it being a minus8 thing
>>78437175
radiation made an elaborate demo just for the kickstarter
hussie didn't even have screenshots for his
radiations work is his own, and it's dumb that hussie is trying to sponge off of his new status as a capable indie dev
>>78437120
but he made it in hussie's basement.
>>78436742
>roxy was teenmommed by John
I love it
doof doof doof doof
down the crmnals tree
round the bend to an fro
whoof were you expectong, easter buny?
though christmas cheer truly ratchets as santa reaches his end
i know as true as my fulsom bum that we will never make amend
the long slow decline... of the ECONOMLTY... will not allow
for making such a pleasant vow
baby jesus's beautiful birth enlightens us all
listen, bune
why dont you give subway a call?
>>78437437
What did he mean by this?
>>78437310
>>78436958
>>78436472
The fuck is minus 8
>>78437511
Porn flash guy
So hey, he is saying that he is gonna squeeze everything to be done by 4/13.
So what if we are going back to the very old random update schedule without stupid calendars.
That was a ride, so probably not I guess, but a man can dream uh
>>78436445
> w-w-we're still alive!
There are people in this board that will get excited by this.
>>78437668
probably just a big dump.
>>78437745
So you're saying it's going to shit? I believe it.
>>78436676
>30 minutes of animation
>30 FUCKING MINUTES OF MOTHERFUCKING ANIMATION
Jesus Christ. When he started the pause in August and mentioned there was 1% left of Homestuck, I was expecting a couple more boring pesterlogs followed by a meager 5 minute final battle. But 30 minutes of flash content? That's insane. That's twice as long as Cascade and Intermission 2 combined. I hope it's enough to wrap up the story.
Hopefully by 30 minutes of flash animations he means 30 minutes of quality flash animations, and not 30 minutes of FAST AND LOOSE/tumblr outsourced art.
This is it, guys. We're almost off Mr. Hussie's wild rideand about fucking time
>>78437668
he'll probably spread it out over a week or two
>>78437784
>30 minutes of animation
And 25 minutes of it will be static scenes zoomed and panned.
Christ... I haven't thought about Homestuck since highschool. It's still not over? And the game isn't done?
>>78437960
The ride never ends.
>It's been seven years
>>78436729
>That background is detailed nicely but it hardly looks like Homestuck.
Homestuck is popular because character design, not backgrounds. People only care about this character
I think it looks pretty nice.
>>78437784
It's going to be spread through several flashes, anon. Calm down.
>>78438086
It does, but have they said anything about the gameplay?
Last time they talked about it was supposed to be a turn based sort of inventory battle thing, what now?
>>78438181
It's a graphical adventure game, it always has been.
>>78436742
it's kind of weird that john and jade have two siblings they never knew and that grandpa left to die horribly.
>>78438228
It's not like their whole family tree hasn't always been messed up.
>>78436445
are you kidding me
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
THIS LOOKS LIKE COMPLETE FUCKING SHIT, WHAT THE HELL HUSSIE??!?!?!?
TWO MILLION DOLLARS
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
So do we have some confirmation on that 11 minute song being an intro or some part of the flash now?
Now that we know it'll be atleast 30 minutes of animation.
>>78436701
Don't, it's shit.
>>78436445
I RECOGNIZE THAT MONSTER TOY
>>78438506
the only shitty part looks like the choppy walk cycle, but its early days for them yet. It certainly doesnt look as awful as the 3D
>>78436445
The character and the background don't even match at all. This is ridiculously disappointing.
>>78438506
>minion reaction image
>cruise control for cool
>>78438525
11 minutes?
What song is that?
>>78438506
>>78438583
>>78438585
The walking animation's done by Paperseverywhere who said it's a WIP.
>>78438601
https://soundcloud.com/user-223697287-365062392/sets/listening
>>78438525
I think that song was just a WIP. It had some parts remixed from Cascade and Flare but was way too underdeveloped to be anything but an opener for the final flash.
>>78438163
I understand that, but it's still a lot compared to what we've had. Let's put it into perspective: We've had half an hour of flash animations in 2.5 years, and now we're going to get another hour and a half in the span of, what, a couple weeks, at most.
It's still not as crazy as I'm hyping it to be, but it's something.
>>78438631
>WIP
>>>/tumblr/
>>78438706
are you retarded
>>78438583
>>78438624
>>78438594
>2 million dollars
>For something that looks like a cheap flash animation game you could find on Newsgrounds or any generic online game site
Should've known the denial would be strong.
>>78438729
>>78438729
no, because I'm not from tumblr
The bait is strong in this thread.
>>78438763
It didn't help that part of their money was stolen to make that shitty Knight's Quest remake.
>a NEW kickstarter
Obviously starting over yet again is pretty absurd, but I'm actually really glad that they're doing it in 2D now. The 3D shit looked awful and I lost all of the hype I had for the game.
>>78438585
So just like Homestuck
>>78438910
>There is a new Kickstarter UPDATE
>>78438845
I know you're going to bring that up but even if they lost 750K from the Odd Gentlefaggots, that's STILL 2 MILLION DOLLARS.
Look at that OP Walkcycle anon.
Does that look like the work of 2 million dollars spent well spent? There are shitty mobile games made with less looking more polished. This is just a tragedy, it's been what, 3, 4 years and they have absolutely nothing to show for it but that horrible walkframe image and a whole bunch of concept art for it. And make no mistake, that's all the rest of the "progress" shown is, concept art.
>>78436676
Hey why is it spelled burying the lede rather than lead, with this phrase?
>>78437826
25 minutes worth of karkat and dave talking about gay feelings set to megalovania remixes
>>78438979
hussie is going to make The Crying Show, as each character realizes their own unique traumas from their experiences in the series.
new homestuck cartoon.
>>78439015
He's going to make Homestuck into Steven Universe?
>>78439027
Might as well pick what's popular with his old fanbase at least
>>78439033
Undertale?
>>78439033
/sug/ is prettymuch neo-/hsg/ given a Steven Universe flair.
>>78438935
No, it doesn't look like 2 million dollars well spent, because it isn't. This is them restarting for, what, the third time, or something like that. Expecting it to look good at the preliminary stages is optimistic at best.
Other than the ToG shitstorm, they've had to deal with a bunch of legal shit. They had to hire an entirely new team, and then hire another entirely new team because of the shift from 3D to 2D. They had to buy office space and start a game design firm from scratch. They didn't even have computers before all this either, so they had to buy that too. There's a load of behind-the-scenes stuff to deal with before you can even begin developing a game. And I'm sure sitting on their hands for the better part of a year lost them money as well.
I'm not saying it doesn't look like shit, I'm saying that there's a reason for it looking like shit.
>>78439095
>I'm saying that there's a reason for it looking like shit.
Incompetence? Because that's what it seems like. This is not the kind of professionalism I would think of from someone with a masters degree, an acclaimed webcomic and multiple patents. The update, far from relieving our our fears just looks like a desperate attempt to save face in the face of mediocrity and a complete lack of real accomplishment.
>>78438077
I don't care about this character
>>78439095
It's not very hard to guess if you've had to restart a project THREE times it's destined to be a trainwreck and can only hope to barely rise above abysmal failure.
Wow. You people really must be be the saddest bunch around.
>>78439158
I'd definitely say there's a good deal of incompetence involved. Hussie put his faith in a bunch of tumblrinas fresh out of college.
>>78439303
I don't know which I feel more bad for, Hussie, or the 3D animators that spent all that time working on his project only to get shafted and hear none of their art work and efforts would even matter.
Also you know that declaring them "Tumblrinas" doesn't hold any weight in the real world right? It's like calling Hilary a "meanie tumblr" or Trump a /pol/ite. It's empty and meaningless as a criticism.
>>78439290
we've been through a lot man
>>78439290
We just found out that a 2 million dollar game has been wasted and we only have a shitty 2D point and click jerkbait for our patience. How can we feel anything but sad? Keep in mind this isn't a swift early change or re-decision, this is 4 years into the games development. Take that in and think about how devastating that must feel for us.
>>78436445
This is kind of, awful? I literally thought I was looking at some crappy fangame for a second.
You know how Hussie has those walkarounds in Homestuck? Why didn't he just make a much much larger, bigger walkaround rpg game that was adventure style, that would've been so much easier and we all would've lapped it up gladly.
>>78439303
"all of the concept artists worked on homestuck" was a pretty big red flag. theyre mostly amateurs.
>>78439441
That's not even the problem, I mean the Concept art actually looks great.
But once you look at the Joey sprite and how it doesn't even rotate around or have any real idle animation or expression, it's heart-wrenchingly mediocre. And we haven't even seen the UI yet. How can we be geared for anything but disappointment?
Hussie said progress on the game was going well. Restarting the whole fucking project from scratch so we're not at the beginning is not "Progress" and it's not good, it's a huge step down from the bare-bones 3D animation. Makes me think their budget just ran dry and they're trying to display anything possible rather than admit this game is a failure.
>2.5 million dollars
>king's quest fiasco
>restarting production on its own studio in NYC
>budget problems
>fire off all the developers and hire a new team while restarting production AGAIN.
>soaking up on toby's own game success
>lame looking click and point game with slow and shitty looking walk cycles
>all in 4 fucking long years
God damn i'm honestly very dissapointed, i really am. I loved this comic to death years ago and now this game is going to look like shit. I don't know. I really want this game to be good but it's just going though so much problems, there's no way it'll be a good game. it's just not gonna happen
>>78439479
i was more thinking of the art they haven't shown yet and the walking animation. animation is hard to do, you need a lot of training.
>>78439509
You have to set your expectations lower so that it's harder for them to get crushed in the end.
http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?55871-HIVESWAP-A-Homestuck-Video-Game-%21-%28Kickstarter-FAQ-and-Discussion%29&p=7879107&viewfull=1#post7879107
It's not going to be the final walking sprites.
>>78439549
https://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/3y8yby/hiveswap_update/cybjr7p
>>78439509
I still had hope up until now. Thought them withholding their card would lead to some kind of trump or savoring show that could renew faith in this project.
But showing one or two shitty walk cycles a year with a few paragraphs does NOT inspire confidence. Especially when they've run up their 2.5 million dollar budget and restarted 3 times.
>>78439549
The walk sprites, bad as they are aren't even the problem.
It's that they have NOTHING TO SHOW for all of this! And they never communicate with their fans or have any transparency either.
>>78439563
>>78439584
Well with the development resuming there's probably going to be a more regular schedule of updates along the way.
>>78439584
>Show a preview of the game, including beautiful backgrounds and actual animation
>Working Concept art
>They actually took the time to give us a glimpse and you're still complaining
What the fuck do you want? You people will never be satisfied it seems.
>no more panels leading to the final flash
>Vriska actually is succesful in using the ghost army to destroy LE
>Davekat is canon endgame
>Karkat now Jade-tier and only allowed to be cool on the final flash
>Gamzee still stuck inside the fridge
>no mention of Casey's skeleton army
>Calliope is actually a friendly mary sue and not just a tool for Caliborn to enter the kid's session as her
>>78439608
>What the fuck do you want?
The game when it was supposed to have come out and for homestuck to have ended 3 years ago
>>78439615
>Calliope is actually a friendly mary sue and not just a tool for Caliborn to enter the kid's session as her
She was never gonna be that anyway
>>78436445
So he never got back the 800k that was stolen?
>>78439615
It's already said in earlier news posts that there's going to be a couple of more panels before EOA6.
>>78439608
Man. That's really ALL you have to reply with, huh? Well, I can't say I don't admire how you continue to flay yourself publically like this for Hussie's sake. It's just so amazing to see how zealots like you can pop out from anywhere for any cause.
>>78438763
It isnt 2mil, he got around half of that stolen
Are people stating the 2D looks good and better than the 3D screenshots we have just trying to savior their sour grapes because they don't want to feel cheated or admit what we have now is a crappy inferior project?
Compare the detail put into here to that of the flat, stiff lifeless 2D animation in OPs pic.
>>78439605
wishful thinking
>>78439608
>what do we want
month progress reports would be nice
even just every 2 months. not every 6.
>>78439694
Take in the fact now that we're not getting any of this. Last year we had a working demo for this, now it's completely scrapped. Huss really screwed the pooch here.
>>78439707
*monthly
>>78439509
>>king's quest fiasco
What exactly happened with this again?
Can you really say the money was stolen? I'd say the money was foolishly lost. Anyone who just hands over nearly a million dollars without coming up with a proper contract deserves to have bad things happen to them. Hussie is not a victim.
>>78439425
That is basically what hes doing, just weird pixel figures replaced with slightl better looking figures and same with the backround. No one really expects a great game we expect stupid homestuck plot stuff
>>78439725
The odd gentlemen game studio stole money that was supposed to be used on hive bent and spend it on kings quest
>>78439707
Actually Hussie says right on the news post that he'll keep us updated by next month.
>>78439694
I wanted the game to be 2D from the beginning. I was honestly baffled that they decided on 3D the first time.
>>78439737
But what we have in 2D so far, all one or two pictures of it looks stupid and less appealing than the RPG walkarounds we got in Homestuck. How is that even possible?
>>78439608
>4 Years and 2.3 Million Dollarydoos laters, HomoCucks still defend this shit.
MSPAINT was doomed since he started dating that SJW cunt
>>78439823
>stupid and less appealing than the RPG walkarounds we got in Homestuck
Be real, dude. The shit in Homestuck looks like it was made in RPG Maker.
>>78439805
If it were 2D from the start like any other decent Indie game it might looked polished and good, but as is it looks like crap.
There are only two graphic assets in OP's pic, the background itself and Joey's cheap crappy walk cycle. That's as Minimalist as they get.
>>78439479
>the sprites are shit therefore the game is shit
>Second, Homestuck. Remember that? Me neither. Um, ha ha, just kidding, it's all I think about ever.
Damn he sounds salty.
>>78439835
And it still looks better than what we're getting, which looks like it was made in Game Maker.
Hell, Undertale was made in Game Maker. But it doesn't look like, this.
>>78439832
I almost feel betrayed. I've stuck with the comic so long from back when Hussie was topdog, but now...I have no faith left in any of this.
>>78439608
>Show a preview of the game, including beautiful backgrounds and actual animation
You realize this can be whipped up in less than a week by any semi competent artist, right?
>>78439851
He probably reads these threads.
He's probably reading this one RIGHT NOW.
>>78439842
Yes anon, that's how it works. If the sprites are shit generally the game is shit. Granted there might be more too it, but the studio isn't even willing to divulge more than that so what else can we go by?
>>78439842
Trying to trigger people I see.
>>78439863
It's STILL IN DEVELOPMENT. Give the team more credit, it doesn't look that shoddy. If anything having any update and progress shown at all is enough to make the wait worth it.
>>78439694
>Those PS2 graphics
I'll take the 2D
>>78439863
not that anon, but thank you for pointing that out. this shit looks basic af
>>78439842
>memetale
>good
its a 4 hour game anon, with only 3 good songs and furry bait.
Its good if you bought it for 99 cents
>>78439869
Hussie, is that you?
It's okay, we still love you.
But it's time to come clean. This project of yours has tanked and none of us can expect much from it anymore.
Atleast the ending of Homestuck will still be satisfying, right?
>>78439861
I really don't understand what your issue with this is. If you just don't like the animation, it still shows a lot more effort and polish than anything in Undertale. Not even sure why you're trying to compare them, since Undertale is a completely different style that doesn't even try to look crappy in a nostalgic way.
>>78439900
>Atleast the ending of Homestuck will still be satisfying, right?
>implying Homestuck has been good for the past year
>>78439887
It looks even worse in motion. I was so disappointed when the Hiveswap teaser came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptSacF8xb8k
>>78439832
>Andrew Hussie's name is literally MS Paint
>>78439891
G8 b8 m8 XD
>>78439889
The most confusing part for me is that there isn't even anything to criticize. Yeah the studio is a bunch of fuck-ups but this is basically concept art, there isn't even anything in it to look bad. The background doesn't mean shit but it looks gorgeous, and there's nothing wrong with the walking animation either.
>>78439851
I bet he thought Tumblr would stick with Homestuck instead of moving onto Fat Fuck Universe and Undertale
Hahahaha, fuck Hussie.
>>78439917
>it still shows a lot more effort and polish than anything in Undertale
No. Not even close.
The 16 bit sprites are way more polished than what's shown uptop, all we'll get is concept/background art plastered over every level while the rest of the graphics look like a terrible mobile game. This is the fate we chose.
>>78439842
>Implying Frisk is the fallen child
>>78439968
I know! I don't get why people aren't looking forward to this game. Sure information hasn't always been entirely forthcoming, but it does look like they've started to make progress and good efforts on the game, even if they got a little late start.
>>78439981
> Fat Fuck Universe and Undertale
>Look at me mom, I can spout memes and easily digestible pejoratives too aren't I hip and cool on the 4chans XD!!!!11
Fuck off back to 9gag.
>>78439984
Are you claiming that undertale's sprites look better because they use more colors?
I'm seriously confused by your argument here. Undertale was nothing but stiff 2-frame animations outside of battle and most of the sprites only used about 4 colors.
The best part is that Hussie didnt even get to pocket the cash, the poor dumb faggot got cucked by SJWs and burned all good will he had created with Problem Sleuth.
Did Hussie make it 2D so Toby would finish it for him?
TFW the music guy you used to make music for your shitty fanfiction releases a video game with a tight plot that does everything you were trying to do but better
TFW he makes tons of money off his game and you get cucked by a bunch of hipsters from San Francisco
TFW the pink dye wearing tumblrites that gave your shitty fanfiction webcomic attention abandon ship to a show about a fat kid crying
TFW suicide imminent
>>78440014
No, because they fit with the game they're in and are still pleasing to look at, even as blocky retro sprites. Even those simplistic animations work.
The top has some shitty background drawn out with an unfitting walk cycle that doesn't even attempt to make any coherency or singular aesthetic work, it's clear there's no communication and they just asked the animator to churn out a walk cycle for Joey without any communication of forethought. The point of concept art is that it's support to establish the art and graphical content beforehand, but there's no consistency between the animation and background and it just looks incredibly shitty under any standard.
>>78440031
He can tell a good story, but he's definitely not what I'd call a smart or humble man. The whole reason "Whistles" was published was because he thought he could show up Jhonen Vasquez's "Squee." Or maybe it was JTHM. Either way, he's a special kind of dumbass.
>>78440049
>TFW before this update you still defended Failswap, when it was 3D and had a working demo but now there's absolutely nothing to defend
Did Eridan make this game? Because there's absolutely no hope left.
>>78439981
Well I mean they came back after Japanese school hunger games and evil baseball man
>>78440070
>He can tell a good story
Very fucking debatable
>>78440052
I'm honestly just astonished that anyone thinks Undertale is pleasant to look at. The graphics aren't "retro", they're just bad. They don't conform to any retro style with any kind of fidelity.
>>78440049
You're trying too hard family.
>>78440049
Hussieslife.txt
>>78440095
Pat don't you have to go suck at bloodborne?
i just realized this concept art finally shows us how some of the hair in homestuck is supposed to work
>>78440095
I'm honestly just ASTONISHED that you let some limp wrist fags from San Fran steal 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS from you, Hussie!
I mean, shit, Toby just needed 50k to make Undertale
Guess you'll be living in HIS basement now!
>>78440084
The Dang It Ron Paul fanbase is alive and well.
>>78440110
is Pat a retro graphics nerd? I didn't know that
>>78438294
I like to think John will warp in a background scene before leaving, or be a secret postgame boss or something.
Or that he actually learned of his missing extended family and has a wall in a locked room somewhere where he's trying to piece everything together without anyone else knowing.
>>78440128
yes as in they look like shit
>>78440142
>shit
>>78440122
Yes but the point is during the pause everyone thought that they off and dingle rope on had killed homestuck fanbase. But it hadnt.
>>78440126
He was complaining about frisks head and that it looked ugly
>>78440168
Frisk is clearly Asian, he must be a racist.
>>78439158
The only incompetence was from going in over your head and failing to predict a dick move. Hussie started this thing when homestuck was at it's peak, and then it crashed and burned and took the comic down with it. In his defense, you don't expect someone to completely ruin a chance to make an instant huge seller to stab you in the back, but they did anyway. It IS Hussie's fault for not noticing he was getting fucked until six months in, but he was busy with the comic (daily) at the time, so it was more just a huge stab in the back.
If anything, he's 100% true to his word because he's still doing this at all. Tons and tons of poor fuckos would've dropped this project the moment their devs fucked them over, but Hussie's still making the game one way or another. The problem is just that he flew way too close to the sun here, and the overbearing weight of it all drove the source material into the ground.
>>78436445
HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS GARBAGE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>78440183
No he just hates lamps for some reason
>>78440070
He is an academic genius, in the literary and intellectual sense. Masters Degree in computer science + Hipstery Literary sense lends to that strength.
Sadly socially his strengths are questionable.
>The whole reason "Whistles" was published was because he thought he could show up Jhonen Vasquez's "Squee." Or maybe it was JTHM
When was that elaborated on? Seems like vague speculation.
Anyway he's the kind of dumbass that can earn 2.5 million dollars in a hit Kickstarter and than blow all the money completely. That makes him the Tommy Wiseau of webcomics.
>>78440198
Because you touch yourself at night.
>>78440070
Whistles may not have been a success but it was pretty good. I wish he had finished it.
>>78440238
The best thign that he ever did will always be "and it dont stop", which now apparently was a collaboration.
>>78440206
He's an arrogant prick.
I remember one update where he bragged about how Homestuck's word count was bigger than War and Peace and Harry Potter combined.
He treated word count like it was a high score instead of a testament to how bloated his shitty story got
>>78440275
Sauce?
>>78440168
>He was complaining about frisks head and that it looked ugly
Oh well I agree that Frisk looks ugly in general. Undertale is kind of in this weird retro space where it wants to look like Earthbound and Yume Nikki but nobody wanted to make nice-looking sprites with a lot of detail, so we end up with flat, solid color sprites on shaded multicolor backgrounds and lots of other ugly shit like inconsistent outlines.
Basically I hated all of the overworld sprite art but the static art inside of shops, etc. was pretty good and sometimes the extremely minimalist in-battle art was good, but that was pretty hit or miss.
I feel like premade backgrounds and sprites are the way to go, especially given Homestuck being Homestuck. Don't know what else people would want
Anyone else think Homestuck would've been better if they just had a normal session? Would've ended a hell of a lot earlier, that's for sure.
>>78440197
I'm not even upset over the Odd Gentleman thing, because while it was an absolutely atrocious dick move on ToG part and those guys are assholes, Hussie managed to make Homestuck on ZERO money and told an amazing story and made a marketing merchandise machine with just his creativity, simple tools at his disposal and a very very small team of artist/musicians alone. If he'd have just made the game a really long RPG Walkaround and gone cheap like Toby, he could have still pulled off a satisfying game on almost zero budget, than pocketed the 2.5M Comfy. I get that he has to innovate and explore, dude loves pushing the envelope on experimentation and all that, but still. Come on, we don't even read Homestuck for the visuals or graphics, we do it for the ideas, concepts and Writings. That's all he needed to work with, that's his strength and if he'd just dabbled that into a walkaround for a fun experience that lasts a few hours, you better believe fans would lap it up and he could still get out the ideas and stories he wanted to express. He could've made a great game, hell made 8 of them in separate chapters. With Homestuck's name attached, he would've outsold Undertale easily in the long run.
Hussie has many strengths and talents, but as a Renaissance man humility doesn't seem to be one of them. He doesn't know when to bow and accept his limitations.
It's like making millions of dollars in the stock market but losing it all because you're not satisfied with measuring up to a billionaire like Donald Trump.
>>78440301
YES
>>78440299
I hope there's not any fans of undertale in this thread, or you would be getting hate.
>>78440095
I admit that the pixelly style of most indie games annoys me because I feel that it's missing the point of the sprites that they're trying to emulate, but I could get past it for the sake of UT's story.
>>78440275
I think it was update schedule we was bragging about.
>>78440304
It's more like he wrote a best selling novel but wasn't satisfied with that and wanted desperately to direct a hit movie too. The creator of War and Piece re-wrote his tale like 8 times before it was finished, and that was while having 11 kids.
>>78440301
Yes and no. Without the session going wrong, it wouldn't really be "Homestuck" as we know it, so it's too difficult and radically different to say whether it'd be better or worse. It'd be it's own thing completely.
>>78440325
That fucking game only got popular because of the fanart. I don't even know where they got Undyne's skin color and shit like that. All the characters look like shit in the game.
>>78440325
As an undertale fan I agree with his, overworld is shit. I do feel that the battle graphics were the best graphical part of that game though.
>>78440304
I don't think it's legal to just steal 2.5 million dollars.
>>78440049
Oh my fucking god
>>78440354
They are scenes were undyne doesn't wear her armor and you can see her skin.
>>78440370
Actually as a person who is genuinely shit at pixel art I kind of... enjoyed the overworld graphics? They felt homegrown? Like something I would be able to do so I kind of I don't know
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>>78440304
>An artist and writer can produce a video game
>When he had multiple other people spend x amount of time making cheap walkarounds in flash
>Just take the cash and run! That'll be good for future rep!
If you're a shitposter or just a troll, I dunno. Hussie also genuinely likes to do his work, even if he can't stand the actual content or fans involved. How else do you think he updated daily, consistently, for three or four years?
>>78440387
And I fucking hated the skeleton brothers. They were not funny or endearing at all and I wanted to punch their stupid grins.
>>78440417
It's not even that, if he had those people close to him and connections to make the walkarounds for free, he could surely produce something better with all that money and make cost effective and cheap too. As I said, his strength was in the writing, not game design.
He didn't even need to make EXACTLY a walkaround, just something simple enough, a format that could get his ideas and stories across. The walkaround worked. So did like a dozen other formats and framing devices in homestuck. How in the world did such a brilliant writer and creator fail to see he could've produced a platform real cheap and filled it out with his writing midas gold touch for the rest, and fans would've loved it?
> How else do you think he updated daily, consistently, for three or four years?
With the content he makes? If he's planning on splitting it up into 4 or 8 chapters that's easily doable.
>>78440405
There's nothing wrong with simple pixel art, Undertale's problem is just that it's inconsistent which is a common problem. Choosing to adhere to retro specs is a good way to avoid inconsistency and add nostalgia appeal, but it's not necessary to make good pixel art.
To make good fiction in this day and age you need to know how to draw
That or be very very very very lucky
Source: Am writer, wrote more words than Homestuck in half the time.
Hussie wasn't wrong in wanting to make a video game, but he WAS wrong in entrusting other people. Surely he must have noticed his success correlated with his ability to do so many things on his own?
That's really the secret with fiction, it's becoming less and less collaborative. If you can draw and write you can be a success.
>>78440535
>Surely he must have noticed his success correlated with his ability to do so many things on his own?
You could just as easily argue that his success correlated with his ability to attract people to make art, music, and other assets for him. Problem Sleuth was decently popular but Homestuck is where it all exploded and that's when he started relying more on fans to make stuff for him.
>>78440547
Homestuck deserved to die
>>78440547
I must know more.
>>78440535
Being a "writer" who writes a lot of words isn't much of an accomplishment. There are shitty awful fanfics about Naruto, SSB and My Little Pony that are longer than Homestuck but it doesn't mean shit because those suck and are terrible and no one other than niche dweebs ever read them.
Also, your new is showing. Are you a native to /co/? What the hell is with the blatant Sasuke image Newfriend?
>>78440573
The insane update schedule of Homestuck is what kept people going.
I remember two of my friends from college would always say UPDATE when a new piece came out
But yeah, his charisma helped too. I'm a bit jelly, I'm too awkward to get people to help me. People actually have to see my finished product to like what I make, they never get into the conceptual components.
>>78440601
Longer fanfics I mean. Terrible, over-written and cliched hackeyed crappy fanfiction not worth a second glance by anyone other than your native TVTroper.
>>78440573
Most of Homestuck he made himself. Like atleast 95% of it sans the music and SOME second-split shown art in the Animations. The other assets were just extra.
Dark days indeed.
Let's remember the "good" times.
>>78440610
>The insane update schedule of Homestuck is what kept people going.
Oh yeah, definitely. I've always believed that's the most reliable predictor of a webcomic's success.
>>78440615
Sure, but imagine Homestuck without music or the most popular flashes (all of which rely heavily on contributed art). It might still be popular but there's no way it'd go viral the way that it did.
>>78440601
I ain't talking about fanfiction, friendo. Fanfiction is sad. Either it's an autistic mess, smut, or actually good(Like Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality)
But when it's actually good you're left wondering if the writer should just make actual fiction. Or at least half-original fiction, like Prequel. The guy who makes Prequel should update Prequel more, he could easily have taken Hussie's place if he worked.
Also I picked the Sasuke image because I was in a /tv/ thread where they said Rey was the last surviving Padawan and I thought to myself that's literally Naruto tier stupid. On a new computer senpai, only have like three images.
>>78436445
>Some additional engineering challenges were starting to pile up that would not have been present with a 2D system.
anyone got the gif/webm of the Hiveswap sample of the character running into the bookshelf and glitching into the floor?
>>78436836
I bet it's fucking difficult too, knowing the one time he could use the insnae legion of fans he has and have them descend on The Odd Gentleman for that bullshit.
That said, I love the 2D look, but this game really should not have even been an idea until the comic was done. We probably would've been done with the comic and had the game farther along in development by now.
>>78440674
I really have to question this Odd Gentlemen thing
You can't just take two point five million dollars and run away with it. Like, even if Hussie was stupid enough to sign a contract with a loophole that allowed for that, he would still have tons of legal options at his disposal.
>>78436445
this is gonna be shit
>>78440648
I disagree.
Think of all of the droves of mindless ship-crazy racial-canon obsessed tumblr fans and their viral influence as well as $$$ bucks.
Now think about the art contributions and cool albums made, and ask yourself if "Those" kind of fans really honestly care about those things at all and if anything would be any different over it. I cannot see the average "SQUEEE DAVE IS GAY XD!!!11" fan even caring the slightest about the music album.
Luckily those kind of fans have abandoned Homestuck and either moved onto Undertale or Crying Universe.
>>78440615
>>78440601
Anyone who writes fanfiction isn't a "writer."
Fanfiction is literally meme fiction. You don't need to establish a setting or characters, and you get points for referencing things that actually happened in canon
>>78440732
What if you're writingFetish/smut fics?
>>78440701
Devil's avocado for a sec, what probably happened is that he weighed his options and decided that settling out of court would let him save as much of the remaining kickstarter cash left so he could focus on the game. Otherwise he could've pressed a lawsuit, but it would've drained both tons of time and money doing so, and nobody would be happy.
We don't like it, hell, he probably doesn't like it either, but this way we actually get the game before 2019 and can move on with our lives.
>>78440740
Then you actually have a shot at getting published
>>78440732
I'd consider it similar to being a writer on a TV show you didn't create, except most fanfiction is complete trash.
>>78440746
Then he's a fucking moron. This isn't monopoly money, it's 2.5 million dollars, dollars which were crowd funded no less.
The amount of legal hell he can rain down on The Old Gentlemen, if they indeed did what he alludes to them doing, is absolutely bonkers
We're talking Class Action. We're talking waaaaaaaaaaaay more than 2.5 million dollars.
>>78440730
>Think of all of the droves of mindless ship-crazy racial-canon obsessed tumblr fans
I am thinking of them. I just don't think they'd be nearly as enthused without shit like "[S] Make Her Pay" to rev their engines. I think of it like, Twilight was popular as a book but it's a fucking phenomenon as a series of films.
>>78440701
Even if they didn't take the money and move it to King's Quest, they obviously took payment, didn't fill their end, made a shit proof of concept and then just left to make another game.
Doing any legal action would be too costly and take even more time away. In a perfect world Hussie could bring legal action to them after the comic and game is done, assuming statute of limitations didn't run out, but I doubt it'll be worth it.
I guess that's what happens when you trust a studio with the most fedora tier name ever.
2 M I L L I O N D O L L A R S
>>78440777
2.5 mil is the entire budget, If I remember he lost somewhere around 400-800 thousand
>>78440761
Nah. TV shows have actors, directors, and a staff of other writers
Fanfiction is vulgar because it's people making glib facsimiles of the characters other people know and love
Now not all fanfiction is bad.
Prequel, for example, is quite good.
But at the end of the day, 1 million words about Anon's self insert titfucking Tifa means nothing.
>>78440777
Which would take way way way longer to win, even if they could win, than it would ever take to create the game. And nobody would be happy, even if he won the settlement. He was given money to create a game, not sue a company for more money.
>>78440814
At least it wasn't THREE POINT THREE
>>78440814
This is Adventure Quest, an online flash game for tweens and kiddos that rakes in millions every year from premium accounts.
I guarantee it didn't require 2 million dollars to make.
>>78440835
But for Sitcoms and most TV shows you just have to churn out Garbage and formulaic scripts that have been rehashed for decades. It's the lowest of the low.
>>78440847
>>78440815
>>78440785
Look, I know you guys are saying he's just cutting his losses but for fuck's sake look at the concept art, it's terrible.
This is going to be another mediocre game that disappoints its backers. I think Hussie has a responsibility to avenge the project's death. He should rain hellfire down on this shitty studio.
>>78440882
Hey, I'm currently working my ass off to become the lowest of the low. It's a lot harder than you'd expect
>>78440835The animation for Prequels minigames and flash portions are better than the new 2D content we got for Hiveswap
>>78440884
Now actually, the concept art isn't bad. They have some legitimately good concept artists.
But the art for the game itself? It's completely mediocre. Like Newgrounds level crap. Which is why it was such a disappointment, the PS1 Cut scenes seemed better by comparison.
>>78440882
>Adventure Quest
How long did it take them to think of that?
>>78440904
Working hard to get that BAZINGA money huh?
>>78440917
Way less time it took to get any working start on Hiveswap.I'm a little biased because I used to love the fuck out of the game when I was 12. Never bought the premium content though.
>>78440814
this is just sad
>>78440884
I think the game will be passable if it at least gives us enough lore shit to dig through and find, but if it ends up being a 100% gaiden game like Hussie has hinted it'll be an average game that could've been made by a competent team for 50,000.
I would love for Hussie to bring legal action to ToG too, but the man is tired and just ready to move on, and they've already probably settled and it's done.Also not to mention a good deal of people were totally okay with ToG doing that shit BECAUSE it was for the Homestuck Game.
>>78440672
>Hiveswap sample of the character running into the bookshelf and glitching into the floor
>>78440814
Wait a minute-
God, please tell me. Is that a 3D model rendered flat in the picture, like in Smash Brothers, or just a shitty 2D spite or still image? I need to know.
>>78440986
A raw 2D sprite that's going to get polished in upcoming updates.
>>78440975
Well atleast they got theirs.
They're probably banging their heads at ToG over the fact that Toby and Undertale completely blew away their shitty Kings Quest game in Sales. Undertale is a smash cult hit, while their game is a sad footnote that'll soon be forgotten.
>>78441006
>They're probably banging their heads at ToG over the fact that Toby and Undertale completely blew away their shitty Kings Quest game
I doubt it. They probably don't give a shit and just want to get paid.
>it's an anger management therapy au
>the patients are Karkat and Vriska
So, who are the therapists? How will you tort- I mean help those poor kids out?
>>78441006
It does raise a good point as to why they went with King's Quest. It's possible they weren't aware of Homestuck and it's popularity. King's Quest, while a well loved series, is FAR past it's glory days and is as likely to see a revival as Space Quest or Leisure Suit Larry. The high point of the game is probably being featured on Game Grumps,
>>78441085
>So, who are the therapists?
COME ON
>that portrait of Trizza
>those STRONG horns
>Dammek and Xefros rockin' out
>>78441101
>Implying Rose post-cascade is any kind of therapist, especially when she needs one
>Rose, 2011+
>Having any personality at all
Good one anon.
>>78441105
>1105 ▶
>File: hiveswap%20pic.jpg (372 KB, 639x1227)
That shit looks so cash.
Shame the game couldn't look like that.
>>78441036
Didn't they spend the whole video they made talking how much they loved that saga of games? Never heard of it desu
They should probably at least feel a little bad about his game going to shit next to some indie meme game.
And even the youtubers, being the ones that are spreading games nowadays, I haven't seen a single lets play of King Quest.
>>78441085
Therapists are Rose and Dirk. Both are licensed professionals. Both do more harm than good. John is a janitor, and his few words of advice do much more help than all the therapy sessions combined. However, the shitty twist ending is when Karkat and Vriska try to find him to thank him at the end,they learn "John Egbert" disappeared into the steam tunnels under the city more than 20 years ago.
>>78439891
It's all been downhill since https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOJwB80oCWk
>>78441115
It is supposedly some of the art they did while they were still shooting for 3D. It could still make it in.
>>78441123
I don't think game developers are constantly comparing their games to whatever's popular, especially when the games are as different as King's Quest and Undertale. You never really know when a game is going to become a meme and dominate internet media. That's not something you have any control over, so I think most developers have a business-minded perspective of "if it makes a profit and doesn't break our budget, we did good"
>>78441123
Game Grumps did one but I think it was mostly because Dan has a gigantic boner for old school adventure games, I doubt they would've played it if not for that.
So be honest here.
Does anyone at all have any hope for Hiveswap anymore with what we've seen?
>>78441233
I never had any hope for it to begin with. This way I can either have my expectations met or be mildly surprised. Either option is fine to me.
rip neat 3d models
>>78441233
Yes. No matter how bad everything else is, Hussie still wrote the plot.
Because, as we all know, the people who read the comic did it for the high quality art and animations.
>>78441233
Yes but then again I still like Homestuck.
>>78441263
Isn't Cohen writing the plot now?
>>78441263
>Still believing this
He wrote the barebones outline for it. The rest isn't even being written by Hussie, the dialog and everything that matters is being written by some douchy tumblr asshat that has pretty much zero tact on twitter.
>>78441274
Well, I sure didn't read it for the trolls.
>>78441283
>>78441287
Andrew, Ryan and Cohen are all head writers.
>>78441274
That's what I was saying earlier.
We would've played the game just for the Writing if they'd gone minimalist from the start. Sadly they've poured so much effort into irrelevant details and now it's going to be shitty because it doesn't even seem to have Hussies touch or masterful writing behind it.
He have a team of nitwits waaay too much control so it's gonna suck.
>>78441277
Homestuck for me is like a beloved child that I adored until they turned 18 and became a drunk potsmoking burnout who crashed into a motel somewhere and got herpes with a gay transvestite. Than joined him and became a gay transvestite. You still want to give unconditional love but...it's so damn hard.
>>78441105
How is it that they can get good concept artists like that but cannot get a decent sprite animator to make a walk animation worth a damn?
