Fuck this was so good. Anything else like this? Closest thing I can think of in terms of concept/tone is Alan Moore's Supreme.
Literally everything else Ellis was ever written. Fucking overrated hack.
>>78432026
This goes well with the "It's getting cold, isn't it?"
>>78432026
Moore's Top Ten too, I would suggest.
>>78432026
You're that fuck from that rec thread, aren't you?
I fucking told you idiots that recs cause people to unquestioningly like everything suggested to them.
>>78432026
Stop shilling you fat bearded English cuck faggot.
>>78432505
I don't know what you're talking about. I wasn't in any rec thread. I got this for my birthday and just recently finished it. I liked it a lot, it wasn't as flawed as most of the other things I've read by Ellis.
>>78432026
Oh it was super cool! I wish they'd pop back up in the main DC universe since they still use Wildstorm stuff.
I miss the Millennium Babies.
>>78432771
>I got this for my birthday and just recently finished it. I liked it a lot
Right. You "liked it" because you don't want to hurt the feelings of the person who gave it to you. Basic human psychology.
>>78432775
I bet you want Flex Mentallo to show up, too.
>>78432854
Who peed in your cereal today?
>>78432854
what is your problem
anyway planetary is one of my favorite comics personally but i have garbage taste
you might like global frequency
>>78432863
>Morronsonshit
No thank you
>>78432891
>Morronson shit
Figures Morrison haters can't even spell.
>>78432701
You should hang out on /tv/. They like miserable fucks there.
Planetary is very good. It and Top 10 are two of my favorite short series.
>>78432775
That concept was always super fucking weird and a big part of why Planetary specifically broke down.
Although looking back on it I am glad I got into Ellis early in my reading comics because if I tried now it wouldn't work.
>>78432854
They got me it because I asked for it, and I enjoyed it more than I expected. Did Warren Ellis fuck your wife or something?
>>78432863
Literally the first time I've ever heard of them.
>>78433030
>That concept was always super fucking weird
Yeah but I like my weird concepts. Sometimes you just have throw sense out the window and let your creative flag fly. Bring sense back in when it gets a little too ridiculous.
I'm not sure how the dude with the drumsticks powers work. But it was cool to see him use them.
Also I loved the snowflake, multiverse symbolism and how it was interwoven in the story. And how it implied that the reason the Marvel heroes don't exist in DC universes is because of an evil Fantastic Four is killing them off.
>>78433427
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE!!!
Anon needs to save himself some stress and gracefully bow out here.
>>78433544
weird was probably the wrong word.
It seemed like he was making a case for fascism through it, or didn't understand that he was.
>>78433586
he was making a case for superheroes doing their job. and by superheroes we mean gods.
>>78433628
Yeah but the other end of that is a message of don't try to work harder than the place the world sticks you.
>>78433731
I dunno - That shit is there in the ayn rand style interpretation, but to me, these are supposed to be inspirational figures. reach higher, punch up, y'know?
>>78434126
That isn't what the issue with the mystic lady and the flowers seem to say at all.
Also the book basically completely lost me and fell off the rails when it hit the torture apology issue and became lets take down the bigger bastards so we can still be heroes.
Ellis is a hack most of the time, but now and then he'll shit out an excellent book. I'd suggest you check out his run on The Authority. It's similar to Planetary but more superhero and less sci-fi.
>>78434531
problem being the Millar and Quitely run that directly follow Ellis and Hitch is superior in every way.
>>78434472
And? Planetary is super explicit about having competing perspectives. Of course the nature-shaman type is going to be all about natural place in the world. Snow doesnt give a fuck about his place - He is going to go all in and then some regardless.
The torture stuff... Eh. I'm not touching that angle with a ten foot pole. They were strange times, and the authors a strange man.
>>78434552
Agreed, shame too because the Yakuza Ghost Story is one of my favorite issues.
Probably would have really liked that book if it hadn't gone for a so deeply flawed meta-narrative to support it.
>>78434586
Allright, I'll bite - Its a story that has a lot of meta awareness, but not much meta-narrative, other than powerful assholes keeping power out of play, so whats your perspective on its 'meta narrative'? If I had to stop and think about it, pulling the ladder up after you, like nuMage villains or modern capitalists?
>>78434665
I meant as a this is a story about comics and keeping them weird. Which is why the first issue is all about the Superheroes Murdering all the Pulp Heroes.
The real shame about Planetary is the length of time it took to come out, I bet if it had finished in a timely manner it wouldn't have been built up as high as it is.
>>78434717
Huh. I suppose that's one way of looking at it. Given that this is an actual narrative in reality, though, how is it a bad metanarrative? I mean, Planetary is top tier, its got problems, but overall its a good product.
>>78434777
Because that narrative supposes that comics is a Zero Sum Game and the only product put out is action based punch-em ups, also it is a narrative that becomes less and less true in the 15 years it took all of Planetary to come out.
It is the problem with a lot of comics from that era. The Superheroes are toxic so we won't make Superhero comics we will make Vampire Comics or Spy comics and they will have signature things they do and wear the exact same clothing all the time and they are totally not Superheroes.
>>78434876
Uhhh. The 4 represented intruige and secret above the law shit, not punch em up plots.
I think you've got projection going on here man, honestly.
>>78434944
Actually given what Ellis was talking about on his board in the early years of Planetary, HL's perspective is not that far off.
>>78434944
You mean the not very well disguised Fantastic Four analogues who get their powers from !Darksied, all stars and creations of Jack Kirby king of the punch em up Superheroics?
>>78435031
Except that has nothing at all to do with their role in the story, and the actions they take?
>>78434876
>>78435031
To be fair, remember that at the time Ellis started Planetary that he was railing against the superhero genre's dominance (see: his "Come in Alone" column) and to be fair it kind of was at that time. I think the problem is that Planetary ended up dragging out so long that by the time it finished the initial message only worked if you remembered the time it was started.
And the Evil versions of the FF killing the Superman, Wonder Woman, and Abin Sur analogues kind of parallels the JLA analogues killing most of the pulp analogues.
>>78435130
Yeah it ended up having the same problems I have with I think every single Ellis comic, he makes interesting worlds and doesn't know how to tie the bow on them or give up or doesn't have interest in it so the final arcs of all his comics are usually the least interesting ones and it leaves you on a sour note.
It should all be taken like that scene in #7 at the funeral of all the Vertigo characters where the Drummer mentions that they all look kinda silly and in the next panel he is playing a Game Boy. Everything looks kinda silly 10 years out to some degree.
>>78433030
The concept only broke because Ellis got bored with it yet because he put all of his egos into that basket (giving Millar the Authority and keeping Planetary) he had no real choice but to finish it. And he resented the fuck out of the series as a result.
>>78433586
>It seemed like he was making a case for fascism through it, or didn't understand that he was.
Both the Four and Planetary were quasi-fascist, political implications simply had to take a back seat to his "cape comics killed all other genres, but now they're fighting back" motif.
>>78435414
that scene in the last issue where it is well who has Time Travel in the future
Planetary
Planetary
Planetary
Planetary
Planetary
Oh I see, god that was a boring info-dump finale of information that was already in comics and the source materials were posted around a decade before it was in Planetary.
>>78435458
Only Planetary knew that this event happened, of course only they would spectate.
As for the other stuff, I think you've had too much nog, I don't understand what you're trying to say.
>>78435480
>Only Planetary knew that this event happened, of course only they would spectate.
Did you even read the final issue?
>>78433586
I think he probably knew given Planetary/JLA.
you should check out global frequency, also by ellis
it's a bunch of one-offs about different specialists fighting different threats
also, hellboy is also somewhat similar?
>>78435303
>And he resented the fuck out of the series as a result.
He did? That's interesting. I'd like to read what he has to say about that (never really could stomach his columns even though I like his writing when it works)
Man, this was so, so long ago.
Also it's weird as fuck to realize that even though Warren Ellis is considered old and cultivates the "old bastard" persona, he's actually younger than Rob Liefeld by a few months.
>>78440461
Also that pretty much confirms that the homage to Independence Day in that one arc really was intentional.
>>78434545
Really? Haven't read it but pretty much everyone else has said the exact opposite
Favorite issue, /ck/? Mine is either the Opak-Re or Sherlock Holmes one.
Sandman is similar in that it becomes an exploration of fiction like Planetary, but I would say its more abstract in how it approaches them, while Planetary was very much "this mission is this piece of fiction"
>>78432979
Pity you didn't write anything for TV then you fat beta, how pathetic are you shilling your shit on 4chan? What's your next adventure, Mudslim Flash Gordon wears a white suit, smokes a lot and rapes girls based on your daughter?
>>78442273
I'm not sure what part of Millar's run he thinks puts it over Ellis'. The only advantage I can think of is that it's more varied and less predictable and Ellis follows a strict four issue format for each of his arcs
>>78432026
I would say explore Euro-comics. A lot of them have a similar feel to Planetary. There are many that are better too. Start off with Humanoid label books then branch off from there.
HOLY FUCK JUST NUKE THIS BOARD ALREADY
>>78432026
alan moore's tom strong is also goo
