TMNT 2003 > Every other TMNT adaptation
Prove me wrong
I can't
I've barely watched any of the cartoons
>>78309399
The newest TMNT.
Also
>4kids
>>78309399
>Not Next Mutation
Please
>>78309399
>TMNT 2003 being better than anything
SaiNW is one of the best arcs in /co/ history. This is a fact.
>>78309464
The new one has great animation, personality, humor, and adventure. The problem: horrible arc building with decent climaxes far far apart.
>>78309399
Its tainted by Fast Forward
>>78309722
Sorry, anon, but I can't agree with the personality part. I mean, It's not bad and I'm watching every episode but starting with that Mikey that doesn't make the jokes but He is the joke... well, the personalities get annoying many times.
>>78309987
Agreed. Fast Forward is just terrible
>>78309399
Yeah this was good. But I found the new TMNT enjoyable as well, the primary issue being... the plotting. While 2003 suffered a form of decay later on, Nick TMNT has been going on for a while. Originally I had some expectations for it, because hey, the first handful of episodes were enjoyable. But then you got things like "everyone has to be a mutant. we can't neatly tie-up the Karai plotline so let's drag it out till everyone's sick of it, and it's worthless to have any human villains aside from Shredder." Like let me ask you, what's the point of having Dogpound and Fishface as the Bebop and Rocksteady of the series if you're going to have Bebop and Rocksteady be in it anyways? Heck Dogpound's new form was threatening for one episode then all other appearances he's a fucking joke. I could also go on about how you never feel proper satisfaction when it comes to conclusions for certain characters, like for example... Mutagen Man. A character who got fucked over so bad, he went temporarily villain (which was understandable, his life fucking sucks now) and then proceeded to just be background crap.
>>78309987
>>78310070
You may be right but it's like that Fast Forward decanonizes itself given the tone and sillyness of that show. For me, it's like Ultimate Spiderman is for Spectacular Spiderman
>>78310175
The Spectacular Spider-Man is literally the best series.
>>78310212
Yes, and Ultimate can be ignored, just like fast Forward. That's what I'm saying.
>>78310235
Agreed
>>78309722
great...
>humor
>adventure
Agree to disagree.
Add to the fact that the show won't let down the many many references. 2k3 series had its fair share of it, but this one definitely takes the cake.
>>78309399
I read much of the IDW comics and wow, that's like close to about the best everything (from the 80s right down to current additions/alterations). I can not only tolerate Krang, but this asshole can give Ch'rell a run for his money. The only wack arc wack was that Fugitoid one. Plus, the comic has a thing for cheesy transitions between different settings.
>>78309591
This.
>>78309641
>one episode in an alternate universe
>arc
Not so sure.
>>78309987
>implying that the 4kids show wasn't at its best when entirely original
>>78309591
>>78310734
I'm gonna take this as the worst bait I've seen today to not say that you have very bad tastes.
>>78310734
One of the People in this picture stabbed someone, and it's not wolverine
Original cartoon adaptation is the only one worth watching.
>>78310881
4kids butchered Mirage's material, had lackluster voice actors (Leo was great, the rest not so much), stiff animation, it took itself way too seriously, just... bleh.
>>78310984
Unpopular opinion...
>>78310984
I'm not calling it perfect, though I don't agree with you but, It's still the best.
Ahem.
>>78309399
Can't really argue with you, OP, seeing as I agree with you.
>>78311063
>series of frames looped 3 times during Leonardo's swordfight
That 4kids quality we all know & love!
>>78310984
>4kids butchered Mirage's material
The fuck you smoking? They're literally the only turtles non-comic material to get anywhere close to the original Mirage stuff.
>>78309399
I like IDW better but 2k3 is best cartoon.
I made this back when I finished season 1. Then season 2 started and the whole thing seemed to become almost what I originally expected. Between the butt gun that makes farting sounds and the weird grossout humor all of a sudden plus stuff like the squirrel episode, not to mention all the cringey backpedaling they had to do to undo their success last season. Is it worth going on or does it just get worse from here?
>>78309399
I just did.
>>78309399
IDW.
2k3 gets second place though.
Was this the one where shredder was brought back to life and for some reason the turtles and un-dead shredder could turn into dragons? Wasn't there a Justice League rip off too?
>>78309475
when the fuck was this a thing?
>>78312452
Late 90's...I think while either PR TimeForce or Lost Galaxy was airing.
>>78309399
IDW
>>78309399
You're wrong. There.
>>78309475
>There's another pair of turtle legs behind Raph
Who the fuck is it?
Turtles Forever didn't even try to have voices similar to the 80's Turtles and that annoys me more than it should.
Apart from that it was pretty cool.
>>78313841
I wanna say Venus, but I don't remember exactly
>>78309399
Go home neatoman.
>>78309399
But human Shredders are best, though objectively alien Shredder is most competent.
>>78309399
Please they totally fucked up the lore of turtles
>>78313970
>Please they totally fucked up the lore of turtles
They did the best job of the lore out of any of the shows
>>78309399
>major input by Laird himself
>faithfully adapted old stories like City at War and the Jack Kirby tribute
>lots of screentime for Usagi Yojimbo
>best Karai
>best Stockman
>introduced motherfucking Bishop
It's the Citizen Kane of TMNT adaptions
>>78314062
>>introduced motherfucking Bishop
Shit character is shit.
>WHAT THE SHELL
>WHAT THE SHELL
>WHAT THE SHELL
WATCH OUT FOR SREDDER
>>78313513
Power Rangers In Space.
>>78313884
I saw it before, it's Venus.
>>78309399
IDW exists.
>>78311997
>Nobiracial April
False.
>>78309399
1990 movie and IDW. But TMNT 2003 is also pretty great.
>>78312161
lmfao
>what the shell
>>78311997
First movie.
>>78311063
If nobody can use their swords, why give everybody swords?
It was kind of boring and sterile. It was able to go more serious than the other shows, but not serious enough to the point where things were really exciting or interesting for me. It felt a lot more like a watered down Mirage, where the others in their strange divergences I could accept more as being their own story. As others have said, the first film and IDW both do a much better job of taking the original Mirage comics and mixing them up for a different audience.
Also the 2003 show seriously felt like it hated itself a lot of the time, and I don't know why.
>>78311997
see
>>78315142
>>78315142
Exactly. It kiddified Mirage's stuff & took out a lot of the nuances. The best part about Mirage is its subtlety & introspection, it's a very depressing but thought provoking series, a lot of that was lost in translation. The first film did right by Mirage lore, even if it did throw in a few (welcomed, IMO) cartoon nods.
As far as the show hating itself goes...
>limited budget
>no free reign due to being under Playmates & Peter Lairds respective thumbs
>everything they tried to do was shot down by one of the aforementioned thumbs or censors
>desperately clinging to traditional means of animation
>pro animators sharing duties with interns
Just some spitballing.
The Usagi episodes were based as fuck though.
Also liked that it had it's own mythos and settings rather then aping 1987 constantly like 2K12
>>78315674
>facebook filename
Really?
>>78315674
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. 4kids having them by the chains aside, 2k3 may not have been as subtle as Mirage but it was able to redo a lot of stories with more development and consistent weight. Mirage falters in comparison because most of the time it was direction-less, and that guest era did not help at all.
>>78309399
If we are talking Cartoons then yes I would agree. If we're talking all media, then IDW's comic is the best. It incorporates everything that was good in other adaptations and rolls them into one while adding some new things. The first two movies were pretty fun as well.
>all these cartoonfags
IDW niggas
>>78315789
2K3 just apes Mirage though, not much original
>>78316654
Muh nigga.
IDW, Mutants in Manhattan trailer when
>>78316939
Not related to IDW or prove it.
>>78316995
its rated M in australia which is T in america, they would not use the 2k12 turtles in a teen game, its either idw or mirage
>>78317008
Or none of them like OOTS.
>>78317061
OOTS the shadows was just 2k12 with realistic turtles and different voice actors.
>>78317094
Can't wait to see the autists from the Technodrome forums crying when they will see it's not related to IDW.
>>78317624
>have never done a game using original turtles
>think they are gonna do it now
it is either mirage or idw but its not going to be original
>>78309464
no see, the > sign means greater than. you meant <
>>78309399
eh.. technically the first movie is better.
if 2003 series had been done by someone better than 4kids, better voices, ability to have celebrity cameos, more allowance for saying 'death' and shit, then it would have been the greatest possible. as it is, it was merely the best by far, other than the first movie.
>>78313965
best thing about this one, you get your pick
human shredder lived hundreds of years ago and made a deal with a demon to get amazing supernatural powers
alien shredder lived FEWER hundreds of years ago and gets to be scifi to the max
plus you got a computervirus shredder.. though nothing really came of that.
plus you had shredder's adopted daughter
plus there was THE SPLINTER in one alternate universe
>>78318620
The multiple alternate Shredders was sort of a dumb recurring plotline and part of the show's downfall.
>WHAT THE SHELL
>LETS GET THE SHELL OUTTA HERE
>>78319203
BOOYAHAKASA!!!
>>78315887
>le social network boogieman
I saved a picture that I liked from somebody's profile. Ooh boy, I'm trouble. A real memer.
>>78315789
>I like that it was original!
>75% of it is Mirage adaptions
shiggydiggymarinkydinkydoo
>>78316322
>more development & consistent weight
Somebody hasn't read Tales. Tsk tsk.
>>78316654
Tom Waltz is a hack. All the other writers do great work for the most part, but he sucks. Maybe he's got some decent ideas (though many border on fan-fiction territory) but his dialogue is awful. Art's A+ consistently, though.
>>78317624
Hey look it's that guy who's oddly fixated on a group of people he seems to want no ties with. Autism.
Also,
>implying those IDW models from THPS aren't taken from the upcoming game
tee bee ayche u dumb f@m
>>78318601
>he doesn't recognize implying
>>78318672
I think Shredder being a mantle of sorts was pretty cool. The namesake being carried throughout the ages, not so much, but definitely the look/position of power.
>>78319536
It was a decent concept but there always being a Shredder diluted the show I think. Other adaptations, and the originals, have shown that you don't always have to have him around all the time.
>>78309399
I can't
>>78319797
Yeah... I prefer he not be ever-present, but I think they did a pretty cool job of handling that concept (which I have a feeling was forced upon them).
>>78319536
>Tom Waltz is a hack.
Fag.
>>78309399
You are so incredibly insecure that you feel the need to make this thread every month at least.
>TMNT 2k3
>Not horribly dated with neutered Mirage storylines
>>78319294
>Literally used by one character and used so little it might as well not exist
They all have their merits.
>>78320003
You make a compelling argument.
>>78318620
>plus there was THE SPLINTER in one alternate universe
"I thought you everything you know... but I didn't teach you everything I know."
>>78319536
>Somebody hasn't read Tales. Tsk tsk
I have, and the V1 Tales were bland issues that were retold in a superior manner on the show.
>>78316654
>IDW
IDW flounders around too much with it's plots almost as much as 2k12. It's hard for things to progress because IDW is the only TMNT iteration with a no-kill rule.
>>78315789
Too bad all the characters were miserable and unlikeable.
>>78309722
It's mostly episodic with some serialization. Just like most modern cartoons like Adventure Time, Steven Universe, and Gravity Falls. No need to pretend to be an anime.
>>78321931
>IDW is the only TMNT iteration with a no-kill rule
Like Shredder?
>>78321798
>4kids superior to Mirage in any way
>mfw
>>78322146
The /turtles/ have the no-kill rule, & it wasn't them who killed Shredder. He killed himself (with a little help from Splinter).
>>78322385
>The /turtles/ have the no-kill rule, & it wasn't them who killed Shredder. He killed himself (with a little help from Splinter).
I don't want to see the turtles kill their enemies.
>Shredder is Krang
That in itself proves you wrong
>>78322537
>I don't want to see the turtles kill
So you hate actual ninjas, got it.
>>78322630
Muh Muh childhood anon...
>>78310984
>voice acting
God, even with original shows those 4kids guys couldn't act.
>that one episode where Don gets transported to a alternate world where shredder won
I really liked that episode.
>>78310069
Nah, the turtles are fine. It's just the humans that are awful. Especially with April purposefully being the biggest tease ever, Katia dragging the plot down, and Casey being completely awful in the new season.
>>78322537
Oh, then stay away from the source material. They even killed in the Archie comics, but the victim was off-panel. All you see is the character thrusting with a weapon to some point beyond the panes, and a couple globs of red/black blood in midair. In the IDW run, Alopex killed a few people, and I'm sure Leo did his fair share.
>>78322537
>I don't want to see the turtles kill their enemies.
I have an original copy of TMNT #3. All they fucking DO is kill people.
>>78309399
naw.
the first live action movie > every other adaptation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGLFu9URwxg
>>78324886
>and I'm sure Leo did his fair share.
You mean as Dark Leo?
Nah. Remember, there was that bullshit excuse that killing would undo Kitsune's brainwashing, so Shredder never ordered Dark Leo to kill anyone.
Some bullshit.
>>78322385
>>4kids superior to Mirage in any way
Oh yes, Mirage outclassed 2K3 with moments such as the Foot Elite throwing snowballs at Leo in their first appearance.
>>78322537
>I don't want to see the turtles kill their enemies.
Dude, where have you been? IDW is literally the first official TMNT where they're not lethal. Even the 1987 and 2012 turtles killed their enemies once in a while.
>>78313855
The guy who played 80's Raph was alright.
>>78326367
Are you trying to make a point? Ninja weaponry has its roots in farming tools. It's literally all about mastering your environment & using any means necessary to disable/disarm/kill your opponent. Those snowballs seemed effective to me.
At least their practice runs didn't involve scooters & bicycles...
>>78326558
Motherfucker, they could've just used shuriken.
>>78326595
The aim was to obscure his vision for a time, not blind him.
>>78326208
Nope. Not dark Leo. Common sense should tell anyone that in life and death fights, swords aren't used to provide openings for hand to hand techniques.
>>78326595
You only know about "film ninjas" don't you?
Okay as a kid I used to buy TMNT comics and one of them was with the turtles riding a giant cow head from planet to plant and Raphael was 100% pitch black. What the fuck was that.
>>78328631
Archie. It got to be a special type of weird.
>>78312109
Well....... I would say from there it doesn't change too much. Also Gilbert Godfrey appears.
>>78328631
Cudley the Cowlick from the Archie comics. Raph had a black custom for a moment in this.
>>78322630
The Turtles cant be actual ninjas since actual ninjas dodnt walk around in black, sneaking around at night. They were pretty much just secret agents ala James Bond
>>78328760
Not to mwntion they arent from the Sengoku era. Even Usagi's time period would be pushing it.
>>78313841
Donny is next to Raph and Venus is next to Donny.
The 4kids series crossed over with Usagi Yojimbo and the Cowboys of Moo Mesa and that's fucking rad.
>>78328896
>the Cowboys of Moo Mesa
Anyone has scans of the comics published by Archie?
Anyone heard of the MNT Gaiden webcomic? I used to read it but then kinda forgot
>>78328760
Semantics. Real ninjas kill, that is my only point.
>>78329006
Literally the most tropey horse-shit. Drawn remarkably well, but such fucking trash.
>>78329089
I kinda started quitting it when Renoir refused to go to Raph after Raph beat up Mikey and everyone yelled at him for what a terrible brat he is for not wanting to comfort a dude who literally abuses him daily.
>>78328377
And until you actually see one of the TMNT killing someone in the comic, you're just peddling fanfiction and headcanon, autismo.
>>78309399
you're wrong.
>>78310881
>I cannot fathom that someone would dislike the cartoons I grew up watching
I want the 2k3 babies to leave.
>>78336646
I grew up on 87, but 2k3 is just plain better. Pleb.
