so, is this still canon?
What does your heart tell you?
>>78309160
It's as canon as you believe the prequel movies to be.
No it isn't. The CGI Clone Wars cartoon overrides it.
>>78309160
Sadly no but it'll always be cannon in my heart Which makes it gay, and gay has yet to be cannon in star wars so no it's not cannon.
>>78309160
No idea.
>>78309421
>cannon
is clone wars canon? recently started trying to get into star wars cause of the new film
>>78309285
I hope so. Yes... I guess.
>>78309160
No, it was non-canon before Disney bought Lucasfilm. Lucas himself was rumored to have hated it and that was his main motivation for making the newer series. Much of TCW series contradicts parts of Genndy's CW series.
> Anakin never canonically went to an ice planet and saved a race of wolf people from SIS scientists' genetic experiments
Sucks. That was a really cool arc. It showed that deep down, he was a genuinely good person who wanted to save lives. More than Eps 1-3 ever did.
>>78309724
>>78309737
That's why Lucas hated it because it was different and better.
>>78309760
It wasn't better. Only Genndyfags and DBZ fans think it was better.
>>78309799
It absolutely was better.
>>78309799
It was the only time grieves seemed like a threat.
>>78309799
>implying Grievous wasnt the coolest fucking shit
>implying his stupid shitty cough made any sense without this masterpiece
Only good thing about the prequels is orange buttscheeks and Gendy Tartarsauce's Clone Wars
>>78309799
It had a better grevious, even /tv/ admits this.
>>78309760
He didn't hate it at all, Lucas loved it. Wh are you spreading misinformation.
>>78309848
Because this is the internet.
>>78309827
Objectively untrue
>>78309833
True, but Grievous was supposed to be a cheap bastard who would stab you when you're down, but run from you when you're up with a lightsaber.
>>78309848
He did hate it. It wasn't what he asked for.
>>78309724
What does it contradict?
>>78309894
>Objectively untrue
Nope.
>>78309894
Yeah but you can't take a villain seriously if he's no threat. He should be somewhat competent.
>>78309724
Any sources on that? How could it noncanon if Lucas was directly involved and it led into Episode 3?
>>78309737
Is Durge still canon? He was on the same level of terrifying as Grevious was in CW.
>>78310027
Nope. Frankly, I'm kind of glad he's gone because he got pretty silly in the comics.
>>78309903
The whole Mace Windu defeats a droid army with his fists episode alone makes the series objectively bad, and that's not the only stupid thing in it.
>>78309951
He wasn't involved, he made a list of ideas and handed it off. Then when Ep 3 was due to be released, he was very upset that the series had gone so far from what he had intended it to be, (a bridge between eps 2 and 3) and the last episode or two had to have a bunch of stuff crammed into it so it would lead into Epsiode 3 the movie. Stuff like the attack on Coruscant and Windu crushing grievous' chest so he'd have the cough, when he was always supposed to have the cough and be a chump.
>>78310058
>I don't like it
>that means it's bad
Ok.
>>78310027
I never felt like he fit in all that well in Star Wars.
>>78309894
Nah if he hated it, he would have spent waaay too much time trying to bury it deep down where the Holiday Special lurks.
It's probably closer to his views on the original series: okay but he wanted more control.
>>78310058
Sources though
>>78310077
>I like it
>that means it's good
It was highly stylized which is why some like it, but it was literally just a copy of Samurai Jack set in space, which, while SJ is good, it seems to be all Genndy can really do.
>>78309737
Best episode.
https://youtu.be/_bI9N533A98
>>78310125
Maybe the first season, but the second one had a lot more going for it than that.
>>78309356
Except the Rebels cartoon is non canon now too. ONLY the movies are canon now, according to Disney.
Which is still weird in OP's case, as they were made to be the bridge between. Even to the extent that Grievous' wound from the cartoon was shown in the movie.
>>78310172
What are you talking about? Both TCW and Rebels are canon.
>>78310172
Wait, why is Rebels noncanon?
>>78310172
This is not true. Movies, TCW, Rebels, a few books and comics, any new vidya they're coming out with all are Canon. Most of the EU, comics, vidya, books, cartoons pre-buyout are non-canon. TCW survived, probably because Disney liked the female lead, Ahsoka.
>>78309160
the only thing they really should have made uncanon was the comics, books, and a couple video games
there really is no reason why stuff like KoTOR shouldn't be canon, and same with this show
>>78310091
>Nelvaanians will never be canon again
God dammit, they are blue, wolf, native american people. That's like 6 of my fetishes right there. We need to make a letter and send it to Disney.
>>78310202
>>78310196
Before Force Awakens came out Disney released a statement saying that, now that they own the franchise, NON of the EU was Canon and ONLY the films are canon now.
Back in 2014 only the six movies and the Clone Wars cartoon were canon though.
>>78310262
This. Sexy, meek wolf women no longer exist and that pisses me off.
>>78310276
That's not true at all. Like I said, both the TCW and Rebels are canon. There's also a lot of other canon material like books,comics and games.
>>78310276
Link or it's bullshit, especially since they spent 3 years saying TCW, Rebels, New comics, books and vidya are all canon.
>>78310276
>Disney makes Rebels
>Says they are noncanon.
Pardon me if I feel like this is bullshit.
>>78310262
>>78310294
Nelvaanians are canon.
>>78310276
Fuck this. If this is true, I quit Star Wars.
>>78309160
>tfw seeing movie 3 and they got rid of Badass Grievous
That bummed me out. Tartakovsky Grievous was a badass mother fucker
>>78310276
You misunderstood. They made any EU stuff pre-buyout BUT Clone Wars to be non-canon. Any new books, comics, games, and Rebels made by them will be in the new canon.
>>78311200
Also, it was Lucasfilm who declared this, not Disney.
>>78310276
Source or you're a fucking faggot.
>>78309610
Only the movies, both CGI cartoon/shows, and maybe a couple of the comic books they released since Disney took over are canon. What OP posted is not canon, and neither is any video game until Disney decides to say something to make it canon.
>>78309160
walks the edgy path of almost cool almost cringy too much.
I feel like it misses the point.
like that fan animation inspired by the Tie Fighter games.
>>78310331
Well thank goodness for small mercies.
>>78309160
It's fiction, so canon doesn't really mean anything. It's more of a sense of what the audience thinks.
Some people only listen to Disney, other people rebuke them. Personally, if you like it then enjoy it. The writers are going to make up whatever they want and throw out the new stuff when it becomes inconvenient again.
The prequel trilogy managed to accomplish something pretty good. They made the clone troopers/storm troopers more interesting to a lot of people. Gendy's Clone Wars, the CG Clone Wars, and quite a few games have some of the best moments when the troopers are the focus.
Does anyone else feel like the new movie was_bad_?
I'd rather stick to everything else that came before it being canon. Same with Abrams' Star Trek.
>>78310027
he was mentioned in TCW
>"the greatest jedi killer since Durge"
>>78312107
>he was mentioned in TCW
Wait what?
I'm not remembering when they said this, who/when/what episode?
>>78310331
Anyone willing to do Nelvaanian R34?I'll even accept a female Nelvaanian but mutated like a male.
>>78312217
I'm 90% certain its when Cad Bane is introduced saying "the greatest jedi killer since Durge"
>>78312222
There's really none beside besides this pic >>78310091 and one naked drawing of a Nelvaanian of meh quality
Ya'll realize the 2D one and CG can coexist, right?
Like. It shows Anakin coming of age and nearing Darkside...and the CG series picks up with him getting Ashoka in an attempt to level his ass out.
The only questionable content would be Asajj and here people and even then there isn't a lot of interference.
Seriously, next time you rewatch TCW, preface it with Genndy's. It fits together pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucn6GHx1Pdc
>>78312342
I'd agree with this, if it wasn't for the fact that the end episode of the 2D one ends with episode 3 beginning, but if you ignore that and Palpatine's kidnapping, I could see it.
>>78310058
>The whole Mace Windu defeats a droid army with his fists episode alone makes the series objectively bad
>Not liking Mace "FORCE FISTS" Windu
That is some of the shittiest taste I've seen in a while. Clone Wars' fight scenes were ridiculous and over the top, but they were also extremely satisfying and well-directed. Windu was billed as the Jedi Order's mightiest warrior and CW succeeded at selling it.
>>78312637
Pretty much this
>>78312637
>well-directed
Not that Anon but the directing of the Windu battle scene was atrocious.
Battle droids just walk up to him without firing their blasters once and wait politely for him to kill them. That scene was everything wrong with the action of the Star Wars prequels turned up to eleven.
>>78312740
>Droids are incompetent
Yeah, what else is new?
>>78312771
It makes for terrible action sequences. Just because Lucas did it badly doesn't give Genndy a free pass when he does it just as badly, if not worse in some instances.
>>78312806
that's how the droids were throughout the prequel, though. They often just stood there like morons.
>>78312806
The entire problem with the droids in-universe was that they're dumb and unwieldy as fuck and are only successful in conflicts because they have absurd numbers, or are under extremely competent command. It makes perfect sense for them to be totally useless when sent against one of the most powerful Jedi knights alive.
>>78310153
Damn, this was the shit. And fuck, this is canon to me.
>>78309160
Doesn't the cgi clone wars replace it
>>78310125
>what is hotel transylavania
>>78312836
It's not so much that they're overwhelmed by him, it's that they literally walk up to him or wait around to be destroyed. You can't argue that the droids are totally ineffectual against Jedi when in the movie preceding Genndy's cartoon, a similar sized army of droids whittle down and capture dozens of Jedi, including Windu, and they're only saved by the Clone Army. Here, all there is is cartoon Samuel L. Jackson endlessly punching tin scarecrows.
In Lucas' films, the droids might have been cannon fodder but at least they actually had strength in the thousands, in Genndy's CW, they're barely functional and are reluctant to attack for no good reason. It's objectively bad directing for an action scene.
>>78312342
Each series has a different take on how lightsabers are created by the jedi.
At least in that instance, they don't correlate at all.
>>78312342
>Ya'll realize the 2D one and CG can coexist, right?
We realize this. It's Lucasfilm that apparently doesn't. The chronology would basically go:
Clone Wars up until Anakin is knighted.
The Clone Wars (movie and all six seasons)
The concluding arcs of Clone Wars leading into Episode III.
There's an episode of Clone Wars that can serve as a nice little ellipsis for the longer series, highlighting as it does Anakin fighting in many battles as the war drags on.
>>78312818
And it was just as bad there as it was in the cartoon. How is this too hard for your retard brain to grasp?
I actually agree with the anon that them not firing was dumb.
Windu should still have annihilated them all but they should have kept on the constant attack.
Also can I just say I never got why some people didn't like that they had an actual school for the Jedi to train.
I mean fuck you and fuck you again because if magic existed you damn well know we'd have the training process down to a science.
>>78312010
It was pretty terrible, yeah.
>my uncle works for LucasArts, he said that Grievous is Anakin's father
Is there any truth to this in any book or comic? Like because he has that lung thing.
>>78310232
Yep, this is the new canon.
>>78314803
pathetic
there are only six good things on that list.
>>78314830
Which are?
>>78310125
Are you retarded?
Gendy studied how Star Wars movies used camera and photography, he studied where to put the songs, it was basically a Star Wars movie on cartoon form.
The only difference, was that the Jedi were much more powerful on it, which only autistic homossexuals.
>>78314883
>which only autistic homossexuals
Did you have a stroke while writing this?
>>78314842
The six main films.
>inb4 troll
TFA is trash
TCW is wildly uneven. It has some pretty goid episodes (not better thsn any of the movies, except maybe TFA tho) and it has episodes so bad they make TFA look like RoTS.
I've read all of the books except Tarkin (Luceno in nucanon? No thanks.)
>>78314908
Lost Stars is pretty good.
>>78314920
Whoops, I meant all the adult novels.
I haven't read the YA stuff.
why did they made grevious so awesome in the cartoons while in the movie they made him a piece of shit
>>78314938
It's surprisingly better than the adult stuff but maybe that's because I was expecting much less.
>>78309356
>No it isn't. The CGI Clone Wars cartoon overrides it.
Where though. How does one or the other explicitly override?
From what I can tell both series still fit in perfectly.
There was an explicit time gap between the time Anakin became a Jedi Knight, and some time before the battle of Coruscant (as well as Luke's conception).
It is entirely possible the CGI series took place in between that time gap, since the CGI never got anywhere near the battle of coruscant and Ashoka did end up going away.
>>78313180
>I DON'T LIKE THING
>>78309737
Don't worry anon, Nelvaanians are still canon as of one of the new fact books.So there's still a chance for blue space wolf qties.
>>78314950
That's how I always felt about it. The CGI series even starts after Anakin was already a knight.
>>78311200
Man, fuck Disney. There should be a limit to the amount of intellectual properties a company can own.
>>78314779
Genndy probably took some liberties with him to make him his own unstoppable SW badass.
While Lucas on the other hand just saw him as a cowardly plot device.
>>78315075
Technically Disney owns Lucasfilms which owns the IP to Star Wars.
>>78315075
Stay mad fanboy.
>>78315075
To be fair the EU had been bloating out of control for years and needed some housecleaning.
>>78315159
The same thing will eventually happen to Disney's canon.
>>78310332
It's bullshit. All the licensed books, comics, vidya and TV shows since the Disney purchase are canon. Only remnants from old Lucasfilm are the six movies and TCW TV show (which has so much shit in it that it's a Wookiepedia all its own).
>>78315168
From my point of view the old EU was garbage.
>>78315168
Is there even anyone with more money than Disney to buy Star Wars off them?
>>78315176
From my point of view the new canon is trash.
>>78315179
From my point of view, you're both right. Let's go out for some frosty chocolate shakes.
>>78312390
That was metal as fuck. Who wouldn't like this?
>>78315159
That purge won't do them much good if works like Tarkin serve as EU clown cars where authors just cram in everything they personally worked on or just liked.
For all the criticism, Lucas' personal system is still the best to avoid a ton of contradictory material. It just needs to be expanded to include things he had no input on.
-The films and television shows starting with The Clone Wars count.
-Direct adaptions that don't contradict onscreen events count. Like the scenes on Ralltiir and Alderaan in the Star Wars radio play.
-Everything else is just window-dressing that the films and shows aren't beholden to.
Allowing more than that is just going to create the same problems down the road.
>>78310153
Mace Windu looks more like Bill Cosby in this than Samuel
>>78315178
No, Disney will eventually own everything. The Mouse can not be stopped.
>>78315487
One Mouse to rule them all
>>78312342
IIRC you treat the first season as before the CGI series, and the the episode 3 build up as after.
Someone broke it down. It's relative to the scene of Obi-Wan sleeping in the rain I think.
>>78315487
>>78315518
It's going to be crazy when Google is eventually bought out.
>>78315178
>Is there even anyone with more money than Disney?
Is there anything more powerful then a God?
>>78309160
It has a black guy in it.
Of course it's canon....
>>78315159
For years I wanted to get in to some of the EU comic books but there where a clusterfuck of books that pretty much gave up on that.
Now that Marvel is doing the comic books im pretty much catch up on them and im liking this new EU a lot.
Im not in to Rebels but Kanan book is quite good IMHO.
>>78315208
I like you
>>78312734
Holy shit thats funny
>>78315337
I highly doubt it. Im pretty sure now they are under Dinsey all EU material will be under extended scrutiny.
>>78315178
Comcast.
>>78309737
According to Natalie, they were told to underact
>>78315583
>DC gets bought out
>we finally get a DC vs Marvel movie
>but it's a highly sanitized quipfest that won't offend anybody
>mfw
>>78314908
>The Force Awakens is trash
>The prequel trilogy is good
Nice bait
>>78316114
But TFA IS trash. That doesn't make the prequels any good though.
>>78315337
>Everything else is just window-dressing that the films and shows aren't beholden to.
Even the films aren't beholden to the shows. It's still pretty dumb that we're supposed to buy that Anakin had a padawan who he had crazy space adventures with for the majority of the time between Eps 2-3 and yet she never shows up or is even mentioned at any point in 3. Strict movie canon is the only one that really matters.
>>78314803
I always think it's odd when the Clone Wars movie is put seperate from the clone wars tv show. It's just the first four episodes of that show strung together, isn't it?
>TCW
>good
shitty playdoo cgi characters will never look good
>>78310276
That statement was in 2012, before Rebels started or Clone Wars ended.
>>78314803
>no Shadows of the Empire
Bullshit list.
>>78317223
No Disney logo, no canon.
>>78314950
This anon is correct. There is nothing contradictory between the two shows.
However, Disney has still said that the animated clone wars is not part of their cannon. But what does it matter? Nothing of real significance occurs that is NEEDED to be cannon anyways, its mostly just bad ass action, which I approve of.
>>78309160
No. The prequel trilogy is no longer canon.
>>78317254
B-but...
>>78317527
Weak bait.
>>78317574
That timeline was incomplete anyway, it was missing the Holiday Special.
>>78317593
Sorry that is old shit now. Only thing canon now are the original trilogy and the TFA- and TFA only has about a 15 year shelf-life of canonness.
>>78317698
Really weak bait.
>>78317574
Trust me buddy, I don't like it anymore than you do, Shadows is the only book I have ever read more than once. I still have my Dash Rendar action figure.
>>78312904
I actually recently rewatched the fight scene and there's not as much of that as you seem to think there was. He spends most of the fight just zipping around the battlefield and there's a lot of cuts where you only see a new batch of droids for maybe half a second before Mace destroys them.
I think there's maybe one really egregious shot where they spend a considerable amount of time getting into position instead of opening fire, but otherwise, there's plenty of useless attempts to shoot at him, even when he doesn't have his lightsaber to block.
>>78316114
It's not bait.
>>78310448
I liked that the third season of Clone Wars tried offering little justifications for it, by having things like Dooku commenting on how he's reliant on intimidation tactics and should run if he's not in control of the situation, and Mace Windu permanently fucking him up with one force crush when he failed to do that.
But yeah, the movie still did too little with him and put him down like a little bitch way too quickly.
>>78309316
I don't consider the prequel movies canon, but I will accept this.
>>78318354
That's what happens where you have a different villain every film. No time to develop any of them.
>>78318529
Killer toy sales tho
>>78318589
True. I mean that's what Star Wars is for afterall.
>>78312010
It was bad because we were led to believe Captain Phasma was of some importance.
We got the most mary sue character in TFA.
Finn was made the comic relief character, the new jar jar binks.
The whole bullshit about the base.
It's like JJ can't into Star Wars at all. He's the Michael Bay of planet explosions too.
>>78312010
It was definitely awful. Can't wait for the RLM review.
>>78315159
The problem is that Disney is just gonna do the same level of shit to it
It'd be one thing if they selected the good bits and purged the bad but obviously they're in it for maximum profits
>>78318904
They're going to suck the movie's cock because it's just like the OT.
>>78318904
>>78319005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvsiJppCdmk
>>78309160
So can anyone tell me why Mace Windu had to be a special snowflake and have a purple light saber? The crystals only come in red, green and blue. That ancient as fuck black lightsaber doesn't count.
You know as a kid who grew up on Star Trek can someone explain this fixation on this sort of stuff to me? I never really got the big deal about Star Wars's lore and people getting so worked up over it. When I was a kid, I enjoyed the series as a bunch of colorful, well composed action space-fantasy flicks, but the world was always just a vehicle for the story and its themes. The prequels and the extended universe taking so much time to try and explain the politicking of the setting at a micro level or the cultures beyond a surface level felt like it was really missing the point? LIKED Star Wars, don't get me wrong, but the story, by design, never really had the substance that justified getting so worked up in its world building to me.
Star Wars's setting always felt like something that worked best as a vaguely-defined set of cultures and empires, enough to justify a big galactic hero's journey story. Star Trek (ignoring the movies for the sake of discussion) was the detail-oriented series that dwelled on culture and world building, and Star Wars was always the series that focused on its adventure. All this Star Wars EU stuff feels kind of unnecessary
>>78319296
Correct me if I'm wrong but there were purple lightsaber crystals in Kotor
Well it isnt nikon
>>78319296
Because sam jackson wanted one
>>78319461
Blue, Yellow, Green, Red and Violet in the first,
Blue, Yellow, Green, Red, Violet, Orange, Silver, Viridian, Bronze and Cyan in The Sith Lords
>>78319589
Yellow lightsabers are objectively the best color.
>>78319296
There's actually a huge spectrum of colors the crystals come in, it's just that blue/green/red are the most common and iconic. It's natural to expect that there was more variety available during a period where the Jedi still existed as an entire order.
I'm most concerned about the future of Star Wars video games. With EA at the helm it means that every future Star Wars games is going to be a rushed casualized mediocre mess. It also means the frequency of Star Wars games will be reduced. Also if they have exclusive rights that means no more Lego Star Wars games.
>>78319949
On the other hand, Starkiller isn't canon anymore.
>>78319296
>>78319848
>those people who still push the KotoR colours=guardian/knight
I wish I could hate them to death
Although Jedi Sentinels with yellow sabers are still a thing thanks to TCW and so are white lightsabers
>>78309724
Yes, rumors.
There seems to be a lot of those floating around yet whenever I ask for a source they always go silent.
>>78320028
Wait, KOTOR isn't canon now either?
It's so far removed from the current timeline it literally makes no difference.
Fucking Disney.Yeah I'm only half kidding, I know which Starkiller you mean, I'm genuinely more concerned about TOR overriding the KOTOR 2 plot than anything else.
>>78319434
I'm quoting you in the future.
>>78320028
Don't worry, StarkillerBasetotally is.
>>78320354
Don't worry, both TOR and Kotor's 1+2 are all non-canon;_;
>>78320671
Wait, this guy isn't canon?
I am disappoint.
>>78320354
I'm mostly curious about what Rakata Prime is going to look like now that it's included on the canon map of the galaxy.
>>78319434
You just hit the nail on the head for why I love the movies and hate the vast majority of SW Expanded Universe trash garbage.
I love the feel and style and attitude and heroism of Star Wars. I don't really care about anything else about it.
>>78314938
>adult novels
"... 'Anakin doesn't need to know', she said, as she fondled the Wookiee's massive scrotum. Slowly, Chewbacca peeled off Padme's silver jumpsuit..."
>>78315075
Naw, fuck the EU; I'm happy to lose all canonicity for the few EU things I like, if it means that shite like the Vong, Sun-Crusher, and Mandollatio goes in the dustbin.
EWOKS!, the Marvel Star Wars comics, The Holiday Special, Splinter, and the Solo Trilogy are a small price to pay.
And I get to tell Warsies, "Naw, that ain't canon, bitch. Saxton's a cunt. Wong's a wanker. Traviss is a stretched-out crackwhore."
>>78315176
Mostly, yeah.
>>78317644
And EWOKS.
>>78319434
Of course Star Trek can go into all the details because it started as a TV show.
>>78319296
>the black lightsaber is canon thanks to TCW
>>78312107
>>78322323
Surprising how many EU references TCW brings to the game. So now their existence is canon, but the background is a mere legend
>twf that's why the are called Legends now
>>78312010Fuck you all, I loved it.
>>78319296
>So can anyone tell me why Mace Windu had to be a special snowflake and have a purple light saber?
Literally because Samuel L Jackson asked.
I guess because he could tell it was going to be a shitty movie like when he asked for the working title "Snakes on a Plane" to stick.
>>78320354
>>78320671
HOLD ONTO YOUR BUTTS FUCKFACE
>>78323346
And? He was going to appear in an episode but the idea was scrapped at the last minute.
>>78310276
>All of these journey to the force awakens novels commissioned by Disney
>Disney says they're not canon
>>78323145
So glad to know you like the movie where they shit all over the Rebellion's accomplishments.
>>78323394
Yeah but they brought Darth Bane back, you think they won't mention Revan at some point?
Filoni is a massive EU fan, he already made delta squad canon.
>>78309160
Before Disney acquisition, Yes.
>>78312010
Christ, what a fucking shitshow.
>>78318904
They liked it, faggot, so haaaaaaaaaa
>>78309160
Yes. Its set in between the end of Attack of the Clones and The Clone Wars cgi movie that introduced Ashoka.
>>78309894
>Grievous was supposed to be a cheap bastard who would stab you when you're down, but run from you when you're up with a lightsaber.
>believing this
There is a reason he was feared as "The Jedi Killer"
>>78309799
>Retard Saturday morning cartoon villain tier Grievous.
>Better than plain killing machine.
Actually.
>A fucking joke of a villain.
>Better than fucking anything.
He should've stayed a fucking personality less killing machine, it was more fitting than the joke TCW had.
>>78323589
They raised the stakes, and bought back the old while introducing the new. No one could have made that as good as the hype wanted. Not even Kubrick. You assholes would have been disappointed no matter what because it was moving the plot forward.
>>78326214
Yes, they totally raised the stakes by bringing us back to square one. Do you even think before you type?
>>78319005
>>78318904
>Everyone hates the Prequels because they are so different from the OT
>FA tries to rekindle the spirit of the OT despite the magic of ILM being gone
>Bunch of faggots hate it for being too much like the OT
Some people can never be satisfied...
>>78326309
Yes, because that's literally the only reason someone could conceivably hate the movie, there's no other reasons whatsoever, no sir. God, what an imbecile.
>>78326255Rather than making Death Star 2.0, they make a base that can blow your planet up from across the galaxy, and you call that square one?
>>78326333No, I call square one the fact that both the Jedi and the New Republic, the very things Luke and the Rebellion fought so hard for, are gone. Also, that superweapon is gone too so I'm not sure what your point is.
>>78326332
Other reasons. All equally stupid.
>Muh Phasma
>Black Guy gets too much attention
>Black Guy doesn't get enough attention
>Everyone's fucking old
>Han Solo
>Kylo Ren's derp face
>Snoke
>OT didn't sit you down and explain every last detail to you so you don't have an autistic spasm, but when FA tries that, you spasm out anyway.
might be cold, but it's the truth
>>78326416
Literally none of those are the reasons I was thinking of.
>>78326380Except they never say it's all gone. They make it clear First Order is a junta based out in the ass end of the galaxy, and the New Republic is far larger than anything the Order has. All they managed to do was destroy one Republic planet, that wasn't even Coruscant. It's the Star Wars equivalent to the Korean War.
>>78326455They flat out say in the movie that the Republic was wiped out.
>>78320671
>KotoR 1 & 2 not canon
>neither is ToR
Honestly, I'm so conflicted.
>>78326434
And yet those are the ones I hear the most. Makes it very difficult to take the naysayers seriously.
>>78326476Hux sploodging while blowing up Hosnian prime does not equate the Republic as a whole being wiped out, but just their forward base. Remember he was saying they secretly support the resistance, meaning the Republic just set foot in their space and planted a rebellion.
>>78326423
You know what else is the Truth?
Every last bit of post-RoTJ EU had more heart and soul than TFA. They didn't need to ride the coat tails of the OT, they stood on their own and they dared to have the characters and the setting evolve instead of stunting them into familiar roles.
>>78326423
Honestly, I would have gone with an alternate universe sort of approach with the whole Star Wars canon thing. Tossing it all out is just lazy (though understandable for everything post-RotJ). It's whatever, though. People will suck J.J's cock until another crash happens. I'll keep on keeping on.
>>78326548
You wanna know something else? If TFA did that, everyone would call it the worst thing ever because it didn't stay true to the original and they'd call it the prequels all over again.
>>78326548
>They didn't need to ride the coat tails of the OT, they stood on their own and they dared to have the characters and the setting evolve instead of stunting them into familiar roles.
Yeah, that's the damn shame of TFA. A bunch of shit is just a fan-wank, and it's like the whole galaxy just stagnated for twenty-sum years so we could have another 'WOW JEDI ARE REAL?' moment and other such things.
>>78323610
>Yeah but they brought Darth Bane back
Source?
>>78326478
Well yes, you can thank /tv/ for that, doesn't mean people don't and can't have any legitimate qualms against the movie.
>>78326540Finn confirms it later though
>>78326659
Can I get some then? I'd be less inclined to dismiss this stuff if I see some legit arguments going, rather than the shit flinging contest in /tv/
>>78326692When did he say that? All I recall is him confirming Hosnian getting asploded
>>78318354
>But yeah, the movie still did too little with him and put him down like a little bitch way too quickly.
That's what should have happened when you have space wizards who can move and crush shit with their mind. It shouldn't matter how many arms he has or how good of a fighter he is because Jedi are OP when consistently written.
>>78326648
His ghost was in the very last arc of TCW. Yoda talks to him.
>>78326852
Ah right, the ghost.
>>78326730
The pacing is the first thing that struck me as bad, and it really is, because the movie can't settle down and properly develop a scene, it jumps around all the time like it's on hyper mode. It really would've beneffited of a few extra minutes.Several events don't receive the importance they deserve, such as the destruction of Hosnian Prime and Han Solo's death. With the former, despite this being the destruction of the fucking galactic Senate and the death of trillions, nobody really seems to give a shit. You'd guess Leia would sympathize seeing how she lost her family and planet in a very similar way but nope, let's just move on. And before anyone says that's the way they treated Alderaan's destruction in the original film, just because it was a mistep in a former film doesn't mean they have to repeat it. On the topic of Han Solo, his death is brushed aside to quickly for such a major character. He never receives a proper send-off. No funeral, no nothing. Leia and Chewbacca, the two people closest to him, mourn him for less than a minute before moving on.
Finally, as a protagonist Rey feels, for the lack of a better term, too much like a Mary Sue. Her being an apt engineer and decent fighter makes sense considering her background, but the fact that she can expertly fly a ship she's never flown before through ruins, be a decent shot despite never firing a gun before, and using the Force in ways too advanced for her lack of training (not to mention besting someone who did receive actual training) make her accomplishments feel unearned and cheap.
It's not a horrendous film, but it's not perfect either. I also have other problems with the movie but they're more personal and it wouldn't be fair to bring them up.
>>78326838"That was the Republic. They've done it"
>>78327122I thought he said "That was the First Order." like explaining who could have made a giant laser appear in the sky
>>78327179That was right after he said the other thing.
>>78327091While I understand the Hosnian Prime thing, I think it was overlooked because the only force sensitive character who would have felt it wasn't officially 'present' in the film. They could easily say she doubled over in pain on their way over or something, but I do agree she should have at least acknowledged it when she first spoke to everyone. But I get the feeling it was cut so as to not take away from the atmosphere of Leia and Han meeting again after a long time.
Han's scene I agree, though much like Hosnian's destruction, I think it was cut for time. Chewie's scene feels like it was going to move to something else building up to this memorial for Solo, but it got removed in post. I guess we'll have to wait for an extended cut to be sure but I'm certain Han's death was probably given more attention that the current version of the film shows.
As for Rey, that's complicated. The fact that she can fly probably translates from her time working with ships, and possibly as a tie in to her relation with the Skywalkers(besides being force sensitive they tend to be real good with machines). I think it was less supposed to be saying she's a great pilot, but more that she is unaware that her power with the Force just helped her out. Remember after the fight she was saying she had no idea she could do that. I think they are setting her up to be a Skywalker descendant because she has a lot of power but she has little to no control over it, and that translates to her doing things even she is surprised she can do.
Also beating Kylo Ren is explainable as the guy took a direct hit from a bowcaster, the same weapon that ragdolls Stormtroopers in one shot, then got his swinging arm injured by Finn so when he faced Rey, he was far from being his best.
It was never canon. But the Star Wars EU is a joke. Expanding the lore of the Star Wars movies is like turning The Hobbit into a trilogy epic with a strong focus on battle scenes. Only the most delusional of fans would fail to see how bad of an idea it is.
>>78327333No, that's too vague for me to take it as confirmation. He could just mean that was the Republic's presence in this section of space, or that a Republic world got his confirming the base was operational.
He's also a Stormtrooper living in Imperial Space his whole life, he could easily think the Republic is just one world. Remember even after Endor, the Empire was keeping it all a secret, telling everyone the rebels were wiped out and the Emperor was totes not dead. He may not even be aware how much the Republic controls now.
I'm going to wait for confirmation before I believe the New Republic is genuinely gone.
As for the Jedi, well that's explainable. Kylo did an Order 66 on them back when they were just starting to rebuild. Still left in the dark though as to what happened with Luke. It's just as likely he became a hermit like Yoda as it is he was secretly rebuilding a new Jedi order we are yet to see.
>>78309160
As far as i'm aware, they have ammended it to say; It is canon, so long as it doesn't contradict Rebels or the live-action movies and isn't "outlandish or just plain silly" i believe their words were.
So, yes, it is canon. I'd say this more than most, as it was made with Lucas' direct input (not much, thankfully) and his blessing.
>>78327647
>Literally the only material that touches how Grievous became the pathetic cripple he is.
Even if you don't care about such a minor detail.
>Literally the only material that touches the event that leads to Episode 3 at the time (and ever, for some unholy reason).
I know shit got swapped progressively with the acquisition, but it was a mandatory watch to bridge EP2 and EP3.
>>78310294
Dumb feelposter.
>>78314950
I'm just going to just believe in this too.
>>78310153
It was pretty dark mang. And it showed that the dark side of the force could be used to strike down evil, which would be nice for Anakin to be exposed to the concept before episode 3
>>78327091
"Mary sue" only means "competent female"
The movie is amazing and all of you are just being contrarians as usual. God forbid there is a positive role model for girls out there, we can't have that, oh fuck no!
>>78328836
I sincerely hope this is bait.
>>78312734
I'm fucking dying
>>78312637
They fights are great and I love the show but it doesn't make sense in the same universe as the movies. If jedi can do that then why did they need the death star if vader could go to yavin iv and wreck all the rebels with his bare hands, why didn't windu singlehandedly wipe out the Droids in the colosseum during the battle of geonosis, why didn't Qui-gon take care of all the battle droid during the battle of naboo (giving jar jar less screen time) if jedi are that powerful Luke could have singlehandedly taken out the sheild generator on endor. Point being: yes clone wars was good, I love it, but as canon it doesn't make much sense.
>>78309160
simply put, if the prequels are canon, it must be by deffinition, because it explains what happens between 2 and 3. in fact, the opening to 3 makes NO SENSE AT ALL without it.
If the prequels have been stripped from canon, then it no longer matters.
funny. it was better than all three prequels.
>>78325808
I like to believe it was a bit of both, he was extremely competent but not the best, especially if outnumbered. He fought very dirty and its effective, but if he knew he was outmatched he'd live to fight another day.
>>78323589
Just like the old EU. What's your point?
>>78329166
What? The New Republic was totally allowed to exist in the EU, there was no Rebellion 2.0
>>78326476
I'm sure every single person who had any role in the function of the Republic was on one of those planets. No way they didn't have military stationed somewhere else in the entire fucking galaxy.
>>78316061
>DC gets bought out
DC was bought out decades ago. They're owned by Time Warner.
>>78329232
Tell that to JJ and Kasdan.
>>78326477
Personally, I'm considering anything that takes place prior the the start of return of the jedi as canon until new canon overwrites it. As long as they don't touch the years in which kotor took place I'm still co sidering it canon
>>78326548
Yeah like yuuzhan vong, I really miss those guys.
Granted I do miss thrawn and some other things but I'm treating it as alternate timelines. Marvel 616 and ultimate universe or post crisis and new 52 dc type of thing.
Lighten up about it and you'll be much happier, trust me
>>78329135
He collected damned Jedi's Sabers, he's been fighting Jedi's before being cybor'd, with fucking swords of all things.
Shit if they are going to make him so fucking metal it makes more sense to have Gendy's "fight versus 5 Jedi at the same time" Grievous than a "run before you get gun'd" Grievous. Surely, no honor dueling since it is complete unfitting for his alignment, but save running just for when shit gets too serious, lose 1/3 of your limbs kind of serious.
>>78329192
And the new republic was constantly fighting remnants of the Empire for how many years? Call them whatever you want but the factions are still the same, leia, ackbar and friends leading military against a force of evil that has risen from the remains of the empire. The first order is just a military group thing, they aren't in control of the galaxy and we won't really know the extent of the damage done to the Republic til episode VIII
>>78312010
No, it was a blast.
>>78312740
You realize that it was a choice of stylistic approach moreso than literal interpretation. It's just supposed to be cool and badass. Dont overthink it.
>>78326632
Except it makes sense. Jedi even in the time of the prequel series were pretty mysterious. They were like Shaolin monks, the majority of people in the galaxy of literally trillions and trillions would probably only hear of them and the idea of some energy that binds people and gives powers would be seen as sillyness to most. Even if you know the Jedi exist you really might never believe that what they could do is real until you see it.
By the time of the OT there is no chance youll see a Jedi, theyve been gone for like 20 years, so the mysterious beings that were gone are almost myth now. And you werent even sure if they were real to begin with...If they were so powerful, why are they gone? They must have been made up.
One jedi comes along, literally a very small group of people know of his existence and power. People know his name sure, but again, who knows if its not just rebel hype propaganda?
It makes perfect sense. People just dont think inside the lore.
>>78309844
>>implying his stupid shitty cough made any sense without this masterpiece
The guy got fucking wrecked in a rigged ship explosion dooku rigged and all they could recover from the mess was a bag full of organs eyes and a brain. I think that warrants a cough when you are barley living in a metal cage when your mind was altered to become an obedient bitch for the empire.
>>78309160
No, because it was shit.
>>78329934
Because in a universe where FTL traveling is possible keeping records of any kind (written, videos or fucking holograms) is fucking impossible, am I right?
Who the fuck would know about the "mythological", ruling beings of the god damned republic anyway?
>>78330144
Palpatine became the emperor, entirely possible he had shit deleted off record. Even in the OT one of the guys refers to the force as an ancient religion, not believing in it's power, until Vader force chokes him.
Im giving you an in universe answer, if you don't like it that's fine. But saying that it was a problem with the TFW and not the entire canon is just nitpicking. There's shit you can nitpick about every single movie. But that is the explanation and it's a really stupid thing to dislike the movie for.
The Force Awakens was a blast, it was basically A New Hope again, but there isn't anything necessarily wrong with that. If they're putting Rey on a monomyth like Luke, it can still work just as well as long as the plot goes somewhere and it seems like it is.
>>78330229
Jesus, TFA babies really do have to defend their favorite movie as hard as they can, eh?
>>78330270
Im not defending even the movie itself. Im giving the explanation to what someone asked as to why Jedi were considered myths in TFA. They were considered such in the first films as well and I explained why.
If you don't like the new movie that's fine. I've said that I enjoyed it as did a lot of other people. It's cool that you didn't like it. Has nothing to do with the majority of my post, which wasnt in defense of even the movie itself but the lore in general.
>>78326309
>>FA tries to rekindle the spirit of the OT despite the magic of ILM being gone
It poorly apes A New Hope in every conceivable way. It's almost the exact same movie. They call them "homages", I call it hackery.
