>it's been 11 years since the last good run on a core Justice League book
It's actually been 0 years
>Johns is bad!!!
A-am I part of /co/'s cool guys, now?
Joe Kelly's run was superb OP, it doesn't deserve to be the centerpoint of your poorly thought out anti-Johns thread.
>>78173281
>>78173312
>Johnsfags assuming everything is aimed at them
Christ you guys need to chill out
Either way, the best part of Johns JL so far has been the one shots and FE.
>>78173346
Here's a list of post-Kelly runs:
>Busiek
>Austen
>Johns (I)
>Meltzer
>McDuffie
>Robinson
>Johns (II)
Johns (II) and McDuffie are the only ones you can make an argument for being better than Kelly.
>>78173281
>Johns is AWESOME!!!
A-am I part of /co/'s cooler guys, now?
>>78172566
Which is how I know you're not reading the current run.
>>78172566
Golden Perfect was abysmal. One of the worst arcs in the original JLA run; only The Obsidian Age was worse.
>>78172566
>Forgets Busiek run on JLA and Metzler JLA
>>78173377
>>78173346
>>78173281
Johns is run has been awful. He's forced to write characters he doesn't like and he makes decisions that affect solo books he won't write. Wonder Woman hasn't been able to have a decent love interest because she's been gang pressed into the man of steel's boo.
>>78176515
what the 15th issue of the ongoing story that hasn't fucking concluded from issue 1? No thinks. I'll stick with Grayson and Arkham A. Y'know, books that understand pacing and story structure.
Except the current run is great so way to show you aren't reading. I bet you are one of those idiots that still says the New 52 is bad even though you haven't read any of the titles.
I'll be very surprised if any run of the Big Seven ever eclipses the Morrison-Waid-Kelly years. It's the best and furthest the team has ever been pushed.
>>78173377
>"Just Chuck my shit up" Austen
>all those issues of everyone having PTSD and getting together to hug it out
Truly terrible
>>78176873
Meltzler's justice league was pretty bad imo
>>78176969
>is Great, it's pretty shitty and the sales are going down fast. 50,000 copies of the last number, for DC's FLAGSHIP title and best seller writter.
>>78176926
>Johns is run has been awful. He's forced to write characters he doesn't like and he makes decisions that affect solo books he won't write.
This is a huge proble.
>>78176873
I like metzler and busiek is pretty good, but OP is being a little unfair, Kelly's was great, not just good.
>>78173346
GL was great, Shazam was literally getting rid of most of the changed Johns introduced into the character, Batman was literally trying to excuse batman shittyness and selfishness inthe JL book) since johns gave him god powers and at the same time made him useless, Superman was so bad it was good, the Lex one was terrible.
>>78176969
Saying something is not bad without explaining why makes your point invalid by default. Layman's Detective, Azz's Wondy, Snyder's Batman, Seeley's Grayson, Morrison's Batman Inc. All good to great. But the Nu52 has had more bad than good. The good stuff is largely fleeting while the bad like Johns JL run just never ENDS!
>>78177092
Those runs are slightly overrated. I think you have to give each of those teams credit for being pioneers who drove the League is the big guns.
>>78177108
Metzler's IC was bad. His league was heart rending. From Tornado's Path, where he explored the humanity of a machine, to the 0 issue that beautifully told the League's entire story in one issue, to the lightning saga that set up Johns run on Superman.
>>78177370
>Metzler's IC was bad.
nah
>>78177459
Yuh-huh
>>78177481
nope
>>78177306
And most of the good stuff could had been made without the reboot, but most of the bad stuff actually comes from getting rid of the old universe.
There have really only been like 3 good Justice League runs desu senpai, quality is an exception.Morrison, Waid, Giffen/Demattis/MaGuire
>>78177502
Except they didn't "get rid" of the old universe. A Crisis happened in universe. The old universe is still in continuity as having been destroyed by a Crisis.
Why is it so hard for normies to grasp this? It's like when a volcano goes off, the city still existed, it just isn't there anymore.
>>78177502
I would mostly agree with this. Wonder Woman was the major exception. You had to reboot the universe to get that run.
>>78177553
>Except they didn't "get rid" of the old universe.
They did. And Johns is responsable for turning Barry from one of the greatest heroes ever to a genocidal.
>>78177605
No, they didn't.
Damn ur dumb.
>>78177605
They didn't. Read Multiversity you dumbass.
>>78177620
Name one comic currently taking place IN the prior universe. Where are Wally and his kids? Where is Steph batgirl and Cass Cain? How about The real titans?
>>78177625
I have, dumbass, and it didn't change that there isn't a single book featuring the characters from the prior universe. But we get Earth 2, right? That makes up for it.
>>78177729
3/10
You might really be this stupid, I can't tell.
>>78177729
The new Superman book. Now fuck off.
>>78172566
Dang, this was literally the first DC book I read.desu I liked the little plas story in the back better
>>78177729
Lois and Clark
Parallax in GL
>>78177876
Those take place in the new 52
>>78177883
'no'
Johns turned it around with Forever Evil, though I do admit that Darkseid War's pacing is way too slow, probably because he doesn't want to deal with GordonBats or SuperBro.
>>78177883
Yes and? Your point was
>there isn't a single book featuring the characters from the prior universe
not
>there isn't a single book featuring the prior universe
>>78177893
Why are you posting about comics you don't read? Lois and Clark fully described how they've been hiding on new 52 Earth-0.
>>78177925
So?
>>78177913
I'm not him, I'm just saying that's not a proper response. He clearly asked for comics taking place IN the prior universe. None of them do though they use characters from it.
But the universe isn't exactly gone. Hypertime and all, they just can't get to it.
>>78177913
Leave the kek alone. I'd be pretty pissed as well if my wife fucked black men in front of me.
Also OP is a fag
>>78177952
The multiverse seems unaffected by the new 52, seeing as Captain Carrot remembers Calvin Ellis in The Multiversity.
How come is JL so consistently great that pretty good runs like Johns get a bad reception, while consistently bad Avengers make pretty good runs like Busiek's instant classics.
>>78177986
The local multiverse is unaffected but we have infinite worlds again in other multiverses.
>>78177496
>muh shitty nonsensical murder mystery
>muh pointless rape
>muh pointless deaths
>muh character assassination
Fuck off.
>>78178055
>>muh shitty nonsensical murder mystery
not true
>>muh pointless rape
it was the crix of the story
>>muh pointless deaths
you could say the same for any comic death
>>muh character assassination
muh Deathstroke
YOU fuck off
>>78177903
The Amazo virus was a really bad arc, as bad as origins.
>>78178093
The rape had nothing to do with Jean Loring going crazy and killing Sue Dibny rather than just calling up Ray and saying she wanted to get back together. That was an unfortunate coincedence that resulted in a lot of additional misery porn filler. IC was pure misery porn, just count the number of panels where tears are just streaming down someone's face.
>>78178140
But how does any of what you're saying make it bad?
It's an interesting, engrossing read. And that's all I want from a comic.
>>78178215
What the fuck is it with you contrarian contrarian contrarian hipsters acting like Gavin McInnes? You're not blowing anyone's mind by acting like an idiot and defending blatant shit.
>>78178281
u wot
IC isn't hated by most people. It's like /tv/ and the Nolan movies.
>>78178327
Yeah, in general normies like it quite a lot, and as for hardcore comic readers is usually considered decent but that if failed to live to the potential it had. /co/'s reaction is about powerlevel shit and being contrarians at the normies.
>>78178366
Your average comic book capeshit reader will like literally anything if the brand stands behind and hype it, no matter if they're "hardcore" money wasters or casual idiots. If you can read straight it's plain to see Identity Crisis is absolutely terrible.
>>78177974
>John was a fag after all
Azz is such a master ruser
>>78176873
>>78173377
>Busiek's "run"
It was one arc and it wasn't anything special. Those Busiek, Austen and Johns (I) and Harras after them shouldn't count as a run(s), just a bunch of fill-ins and Crisis tie-ins.
Also yes Johns League is shit, so were JLA and JLU (Parker's stuff had some potential but that was killed by downgrading the book to "non-important stuff" and not giving it the push they gave le canadien league) and so is Hitch's discount Morrisonism.
>>78177620
Ooooo, name calling, guess he got you since you couldn't actually explain yourself.
>>78177797
Not taking place in the prior universe says you sir, may kindly contract aids fucking a tranny, have your dick fall off, and die bleeding out.
>>78177974
I'm sorry, I don't wanna hear about your inadequacies, asshole.
>>78180921
Busiek wrote issues 1-15 and 19-56 of volume 3 how is that not a run?
>>78181155
What the fuck do Avengers have to do with this goddamn thread
>>78181269
The fact that all those guys wrote Avengers runs confused me about the subject.
