Why is this so overrated, /co/? The setting is obviously the most interesting part, but minus that and you have a very sub-par story.
>>78172557
It's funny how communism was so feared a couple of decades ago and now you're a racist and a bigot unless you're full-fledged commie.
>>78172588
Just wait till it's fashionable to be a nazi
It's mostly just babby's first Elseworlds
Certainly enjoyable but doesn't do anything special. I guess it's because of Millar.
>>78172557
I remember liking it a lot.
>>78172588
What Americans refer to as socialism or liberalism is very different from communism, anon.
Millar had a very interesting idea that becomes less and less interesting the more times you hear about it. So after the first issue, you're left with something which cannot hold itself on concept alone.
>>78172607
>It's mostly just babby's first Elseworlds
Definitely.
Although I liked Hal's design, backstory and rest of Green Lanterns a lot. And Superman's costume.
>>78172696
What did you like about it senpai
>>78172557
DUDE BOTTLES LMAO
but m-muh korean anarchist batman
confirmed for best elseworld
>>78172557
>>78172711
Yea, the premise is interesting, but then you also have to have an actual story attached to it.
But, Instead of a plot that really explores the premise, it felt more like they had *two* premises that they decided to mash together so,
>lets do soviet superman
but also
>lets do world tyrant superman
and just for good measure,
>time loop superman
thrown in completely randomly at the end.
>>78173006
Even better, Lex is Superman's ancestor!
>>78172557
Maybe because people see it less as "What if superman was a commie" and more like "A world where communism was never stopped and proof that it would be better cause superman said so", people love to shove politics into shit that isn't about politics, specially teenagers and people on their 20s who almost always are too immature to talk about the subjects in proper manner
>>78173006
>*two* premises
>lets do soviet superman
>lets do world tyrant superman
It's a wholesome premise: what if Superman was all about and Truth, Justice and the Socialist Way? And Millar did a fine job with it.
>>78172731
I guess being a former Supes hater, I liked that it portrayed him as eminently faillible without protraying him as evil.
I don't remember the details well enough to point to specific parts that I liked.
>>78173494
On a day off I'll storytime red son and another supes story. Probably this Tuesday.
Any requests /co/?
>>78173518
Last Son
>>78173461
He didn't even feel like a tyrant though. He seemed indifferent to any soviet political ideals. A very superficial story - Supes character is diluted and boring in this. It feels like he doesn't stand for anything.
>>78173518
Secret Identity or Birthright
>>78173494
>I liked that it portrayed him as eminently faillible without protraying him as evil.
Yeah I generally prefer this over something like the regime shown in Injustice.
>>78173652
Really? You didn't notice the Superman Robot thing?
>>78173713
True. Maybe up until the third act then.
>>78172696
The ultimate goal of socialism IS communism.
The premise was, essentially, "Could Superman become The New Soviet Man?"
Not sure it actually answered that question though.
>>78173745
No, the ultimate goal of socialism is to fleece the working class.
>>78173745
Of Marxist revolutionary socialists, not the stupid college students
>>78172557
Only the idea of it sounds great, but the execution was extremely retarded.
Does anyone else view it as a Lex Luthor story?
It's a good Superman story but as a Lex Luthor story it's far greater.
Isn't Jimmy Olsen head of the CIA in Red Son?
Its so overrated because of "FUCK CAPTILISM!!!" SJWs. Which is retarded because it doesn't really portray communism in a positive light at all.
>>78173832
Yeah.
>>78173686
I second Birthright.
>>78173813
Meh. It shows that Lex can potentially do good if he's got the right environment (that is: if it's acting against Superman), which is a good and interesting portrayal. But it also partly shows that in a pretty retarded way. Curing all cancer would have adverse demographic effects that all these "wow he like, cured cancer" stories always ignore, and the pill that allows not to sleep is like something a 12 year old would come up with as a genius invention.
>>78173813
Exactly.
>>78173652
He was a benevolent tyrant. The catch is that the only reason the world became an utopia under his rule was because he personally made sure everything ran smoothly, and things were a bit too perfect because Superman's existence did not really allow any mistakes to happen.
>>78173813
embrace dank luthorism
What is the point of the time paradox ending? Seemed arbitrary as all fuck. Apparently GM gave Millar the idea. Am I missing something?
>>78173852
Exactly. Communism only works when there someone to enforce the rules all the time. Some who won't be corrupted by all that power. If anyone takes this as proof that communism works, they're just plain stupid.
>>78172603
30% of the country is already pro-Trump. We're there.
>>78173852
>Its so overrated because of "FUCK CAPTILISM!!!" SJWs
Is it, though? For a comic book about an American icon being reinterpreted in a communist framework, it isn't that political and it definitely doesn't portray communism in a positive light.
>>78173852
>if you don't suck banker cock you're an SJW
C L A S S C U C K
>>78172557
Want something overrated? Try Last Son.
>>78173852
>Its so overrated because of "FUCK CAPTILISM!!!" SJWs.
There's no evidence of that and you just wanted another opportunity to bitch about SJWs.
It's overrated because of the"Why don't you just put the whole WORLD in a BOTTLE, Superman?"
>>78172557
Yep. The premises were interesting, but in the end it was the usual bland supertyrant story with the usual moral: totalitarism is AAAALWAYS bad, muh freedom is always better.
Also I did't like the other heroes going full retard for the sake of plot
>>78174447
>"Why don't you just put the whole WORLD in a BOTTLE, Superman?"
What did he meant withs this?
>>78174399
Communism isn't a good alternative. A better capitalism system is.
Communism/Socialism just means everybody gets even more fucked, rather than some people get a bit fucked and others don't.
>>78173801
Wait... so it's actually a metaphor for Soviet Style socialism?
>>78172603
I can't wait
>>78174546
Superman was drunk with power, the bottle referred to a liquor bottle
>>78174560
I mean, ideally communism means some people get a little fucked and some people get a little help so everyone stays even. The actual problem is that it could never work in the real world. Ever.
>>78174852
Yup, and neither will an ideal Capitalist system. But you can make a damn better Capitalist system that works than a Communist one.
I think the main problem is, of course, corruption, and moneys influence on politics. And that will never go away.
>>78173852
nice b8
>>78173745
Not really, it depends on the particular branch. Social democracy and reformist syndicalism are ok with capitalism existing to a certain degree, for example, as long as the other specific goals are met. Communism is sort of a relic that only bizarre ancient revolutionary factions believe in - sure, a lot of teens and 20-something, especially on certain popular blogging website will tell you they're communists or even leninists, but it's not really devotion to the ideal and more of a general rebelliouns mindset typical for their age.
Goal of socialism as a whole is equal (or, depending on the version, appropriate for one's efforts/needs/etc) distribution of goods for the betterment of the widely understood working class (what constitutes working class also varies, for example teachers are not physical workers but historically were often seen as part of working class by socialist movements), in most cases nowadays through peaceful change and reforms because the revolutionary wing is a horrifying failure that lead to suffering of thousands every time it won.
>>78174852
That's not really exclusive to communism, no matter how much communists want to believe otherwise, and other variations of the ideology are more likely to achieve the goal anyway. It's more likely we'll see a syndicalist state somewhere in eastern Europe where worker unions are important historically or a social democracy in the west than that a communist revolution will ever work and not lead to forming a totalitrian regime exploting the weakest even more than the richest.
>>78172603
That sort of came and went though with neo-nazism and retro-nazism fashion.
>>78174546
It was Lex' way of saying Superman was acting like Brainiac: putting the world under his control like Brainiac put cities in glass bottles and shit. It was great, but truth be told, Superman wasn't evil in this story. He didn't force anyone to join the Soviet Union, he lobotomized only the people who caused major problems of peace like the Batmen and Stalin's son, and was actually pretty chill since most of the Communist world was thriving. It was Lex becoming president and saving the country's economy that made Superman go the extra mile and attempt to take over the US.
>>78172607
In a way, I suppose so. Red Son is what got me into the greater DC universe. Same way Batman got me into comics in the first place.
I think a lot of us started off like that. If that's what these stories are good for, I'd say that it's good to have them around.
