Why is it cool to hate Frank Miller nowadays?
Cause DKSA is very divisive and Holy Terror is insanely racist
>>78171220
Lefties hate him because "MUH WHORES AND ISLAMOPHOBIA"
Casuals hate him because they think that DK2 is so bad it invalidates all of his other work
>>78171237
Add ASBAR to this and the fact that people don't like his recent art output.
>>78171237
Terrorism is evil, and is not a race
He upsets the liberal majority.
As with virtually every piece of /co/ drama, the answer is the class tensions between the Skilled Labor workaholics that are the backbone of comics and animation and the "art-for-change" Gentry faggots who at best are resentfully slumming it in a productive industry.
>>78171237
I don't really care about racism and I even quite like Miller's art, but Holy Terror is just really shit storytelling. Miller could have achieved the same result by just producing a poster of the cover art captioned "Terrorism is bad, m'kay". If you look at it as sequential art rather than through a political lens, it's really pretty indefensible.
>>78171255
>ISLAMOPHOBIA
Holy Terror's villains weren't even Muslim, they were in a Lovecraftian-style elder god cult.
Because he's really old, dying, and it's cool to hate those things nowadays.
his work pre dark knight strikes again/all star is considered readable
everything he did post 2000 is basically trash
>>78171442
Nobody hates Keith Giffen.
>>78171220
Because comics have been completely overrun with leftist keks ?
>>78171469
He's not dying though, he already died.
>>78171469
Nobody knows Keith even though hes based as fuck
>>78171469
Apples to oranges Anon. Apples to oranges.
>>78171338
I guess some people defend anything nowadays regardless of actually quality as long as it pisses of a subset of people they don't like.
>>78171220
because itll be kind of sad to make fun of him when he finally dies
>>78171338
Yea it really needed to go more Punisher than Batman.
He half assed it pretty hard on converting the story to a non Batman one
>>78171451
>readable
It's pretty fucking great you fag
>>78171469
Pretty sure Keith Giffen hates Keith Giffen.
>>78171489
>old
>dying so much he's already dead
here's another one.
>>78171220
because he hasn't made something good since sin city
>>78171338
I think the layouts are good and I think Miller sows a good feeling of chaos with the art. That said the story is absolutely fucking terrible.
Because he said bad things about Occupy Wall Street
>>78171542
Peter David is 59 and had a stroke a few years ago and got diagnosed with diabetes a year ago.
>>78171260
I forgot some people take ASBAR straight faced.
>>78171585
That was some prime "Old man yells at kids" stuff tho.
>>78171220
because he lost his mind, talent, and most likely his liver. his classic material is and always will be top notch, though.
Because he doesn't write tumblr-tier comics meant for girls and children with every character being a quip machine.
>>78171947
I don't get why the tumblr crowd hates him though, sure he writes a
about prostitutes in his crime comics, but at the same time he has also created a ton of strong independant female characters
>>78171220
Because he was never good.
>>78172066
>what casuals actually believe
>>78172066
>>78172115
>>78172198
>being this mad that their favorite creator is shit
It's okay, Anger is just the first phase of Acceptance.
>>78172337
Give me an example of a run better Than Frank Miller's Daredevil
His ASBAR was poorly paced and written, but Holy Terror wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. It was just mediocre with a few stupid characters, and the art fit it. It's okay if someone doesn't like the story apart from the propaganda, but it gets more hate than it deserves because of the racism.
People don't like propaganda comics unless it confirms their bias.
>>78172066
>Muh Miller Was Never Good meme
>>78173971
>People don't like propaganda comics unless it confirms their bias.
Oh really? Who would have thought?
But it should surprise nobody that he would express this kind of opinion with all the fascistoid themes in his work.
The big strong man unhindered by the pesky, pussy rules of society to set it all right and all that.
>>78172337
>It's okay, Anger is just the first phase of Acceptance.
No it's not, you're an idiot. There's no "phases of acceptance" you're thinking of the stages of grief, of which Anger is the "second" phase, but not second occurring, just second cataloged.
>>78171220
holy shit when was that picture taken, 1847?
>>78171220
It just is.
>>78174045
there are phases of acceptance of Miller, though
>>78174083
>KSD is better than Frank Miller
>>78174083
Ah, that Burch. What a kek-up.
>>78174083
Thank god I'm not Anthony Burch. The fact that I have a micropenis (3") has always tormented me and stopped me from going any further than second base, but if it was a choice between this and being Anthony Burch, I'd choose this any and every day all the time.
How's DK3?
>>78174191
3" is just enough to properly have sex.
>>78174212
mediocre so far
Atom mini issue was pretty neat, though
>>78174083
Anthony Burch, of course, representing the embodiment of the MAYMAYSORANDUMB preteen that makes up an overlapping 80% of all internet comments and ruins everything.
>>78171542
>>78171837
>That feel when no news is bad news
I knew about the stroke but not the 'beetus. He's legitimately one of my favorite authors.
>Knows Tom Kenny
>Daughter loves Spongebob
>Daughter doesn't know PAD knows Tom Kenny
>Gets Kenny to record personalized answering machine message in Spongebob voice
God tier dad.
>>78174253
>tfw she's thirteen already
>>78171338
The story is garbage, but you could make an argument that's intentional as Frank has described it in interviews as his take on war propaganda. Plus originally it was pitched as Holy Jihad, Batman! before he had to change it when DC no longer wanted to publish it.
>>78171220
It's not cool at all. This place is crammed with Millerfags who are going to call heresy any criticism against him.
>>78174083
Who the fuck, even as a child, thought that Jedi was better than Empire?
>>78171220
Dead men have no reputation to defend.
>>78171304
Democracy in action. If you don't like it, move to Iran.
>>78171220
It is will always be cool to hate what is popular because it allows you to claim superiority over the majority.
But Miller's embodiment of edge in comics represents something a lot of people don't like, even when done well. There are who just don't like rap and the best rapper in the world isn't going to make them change their mind.
Because his art sucks
That's my only reason at least.
>>78175876
>>78174686
Funny, there's more energy and raw power in the above pic than half of the Jim Lee rip offs the big two churn out. Since when did being anatomically correct become such a hang up, didn't seem to stop folks heaping praise on Batgirl, Squirrel Girl etc. Hell, even Jack Kirby had instances of worse anatomy than this.
Even if you don't like his style, his paneling is always amazing.
>>78174083
>Empire is better than Jedi
From my point of view Jedi are evil
>>78175735
>Democracy in action. If you don't like it, move to Iran.
suppressing free speech is not even remotely democratic lol
>>78175336
A lot of people like the happy ending.
The whole thing gets wrapped up in a pretty bow.
>>78176433
>Funny, there's more energy and raw power in the above pic than half of the Jim Lee rip offs the big two churn out.
It's a fucking mess of unfocused energy and shaky penciling. It was made to get it done, not skillfully.
>folks heaping praise on Batgirl, Squirrel Girl etc.
/co/ despise both. Squirrel Girl is practically baneposting.
>>78176567
Nobody's suppressing your free speech, The Donald.
They're just shouting louder than you because there's more of them. It's called democracy. If you don't like it, move to Iran.
>>78177095
TBF, I looked up the interiors of that and they actually look rather decent.
Then again, I am tempted to think Janson just redrew as needed to make Miller's late-period art look presentable.
>>78174083
>yfw you are not Anthony Burch
>>78177125
DKIII: The Master Race isn't drawn by Frank Miller. It's Andy Kubert and Klaus Jonson.
>>78177179
I meant of that Atom book specifically. Miller and Janson did draw that.
>>78174083
Christ on a fucking bike.
I make as much fun of Frank than anyone.
Whores whores whore. Freddy Krugar. Facist sympathies yadda yadda yadda.
But what a fucking faggot Anthony Burch is.
Jeezus.
Adulthood is being unable to sexually satisfy your wife.
>>78174103
Hmm do I want to read an innovative and influential Daredevil run that had an impact on the title for decades after it ended or do I want to read the boring adventures of the cardboard cutout calling herself Captain Marvel
I hate contributing to shitting on random internet dude.
But what I find funny is the preteen on a keyboard comment when the reason Miller started making Daredevil a dark book was getting mugged in NYC and just generally living there
>>78171266
terrorism and islam is generalized to be representative of an entire geographic region's population. So people are racist toward brown people, don't be cute.
>>78174244
So you're saying according to Anthony Burch, Frank Miller is the definition of Anthony Burch? But.... Then.... YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHH
Frank Miller said fuck the Netflix Daredevil because it can never be the "real Elektra" so I gotta say I dropped his sorry ass after that for being so autistic
>>78179329
Islam isn't a race either though
>>78179329
Islam is a religion, therefore not real, therefore it can't be discriminated against.
Check your theistic privilege shitlord
>>78174083
>Anthony Burch
>Ever having the right to make fun of anyone else ever
>>78179329
That doesn't explain Chechens and Ugyuhrs you collosal idiot.
>>78181180
Is this a troll, or are you really that retarded?
>>78181637
Not that anon, but I don't see why criticism of someone's religion is any different to criticism of their political beliefs, both are something they chose to believe in. That's a lot different to criticism of race which is something people are born with and don't get to choose. Criticism of Islam =/= racism towards Arabs. You don't get people calling criticism of their politics "conservativephobic" or "socialistphobia".
