This so fucking good.
It's extremely well written.
Explain why people don't like this. I need a laugh.
>>78122693
Burden of proof is on your claim, you shitty troll.
>>78122693
The Deathstroke dick sucking was far too overt.
>>78122693
This better be bait.
It was dark and edgy for the sake of being dark and edgy. Also pic related ended up being completely goddamn pointless since Dr Light ended up not being the real killer and was just shocking for the sake of being shocking
>>78122693
>It's extremely well written.
i know this is bait. i know it is.
>>78122714
Well, I just reread it and it's real strength is being a tearjerker.
When Ralph is trying to talk at the funeral and when Tim's dad dies hit me really hard every time I read it.
Meltzer is just so fucking good a ratcheting up the tension and emotion in a scene.
>>78122727
7 pages ruins an entire series for you? What a fucking sperg.
you didn't read the deathstroke scene then
or the final issue
>>78122693
Because /co/ is triggered by anything not racemixing propaganda
>>78122799
Oh, and there's also the fact that Jean managed to cover up most, if not all traces of Sue's murder to the point where even the greatest detectives on the planet couldn't find shit
>>78122962
I thought the real killer was supposed to be ray but they pussied out
>>78123042
nuh uh
Say what you will about the maerial but I think in terms of craft, Bard did a good job with The pacing for a newbie to comics
that whole scene with Boomerang and Jack Drake's dad brought the feels for me
if you read the pages by themselves, they do nothing but the build was what got the most impact like some tragic scene of an opera
Identity Crisis is not as bad as people say it is but it neither that amazing. It got hampered by the edge realistic grim dark realism of that time. Surprised it hasn't made return in poplar consciousness or at least in DC film universe as this is the tone that gets their dicks hard as evident with Dark Knight and Man of Steel.
>>78123230
Good post, but are you drunk?
You seem rather discombobulated.
>>78123293
hung over lol bright screen hurting my eyes.
meant to type Brad not Bard, the build was supposed to be build up, edge needed a y to be edgy and so on and so forth.
forgive my grammatical errors, anon.
It killed and "ruined" characters people actually cared about. To cape comic fans, the purpose of death in fiction is to get rid of poorly developed fodder characters (not to inspire an emotional reaction). As long as this checks out, they don't care about how "dark and edgy" something is.
The rape pages are in!
>>78123413
I don't even get why Jack Drake had to die. Wasn't one of Tim's defining features that set him apart from other Robins the fact that he had living parents.
Also people do care about cape characters dying. I know I got mad as fuck when Kid Devil bit it. But then again Titans dying is nothing new
>>78123413
>people cared about Sue Dibny and Jean Loring
'no'
Identity Crisis would of been one of the Watchmen/TDKR type sellers if it was released it in the 80s.
Identity Crisis is good man.
>>78122693
It exemplifies everything that makes Brad Meltzer's comics bad. Horrible jobbing, lame ass sentiment, edgy for the sake of making capes edgy, kills characters for little reason and is just incredibly disappointing and boting to slog through
>>78123507
>I don't even get why Jack Drake had to die.
It was all part of ruining Tim forever by turning him into Batman jr.
>>78122693
Storytime please?
>>78123567
It's sad, because even if I never actually read the Batman books with him in it, I liked him in PAD YJ and even in John's TT run. Honestly, the best thing to do with Tim, especially in the New 52, would be to kill him off, because jesus christ New 52 Tim is a trainwreck of bad
>>78123547
Didn't Meltzer write that JL issue where Vixrn and Red Arrow were trapped in a crushed building?
That was GOAT.
>>78123702
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>>78124560
I'm a guy, I just always forget or am too lazy to cut my nails.
>unacceptably ugly art
>shit writing (especially the mystery and reveal)
I'll admit it had some ok character moments, but for the most part, it's tripe. It's one of those stories that was more about being important than it was about being good.
>>78122693
>introduction by Joss Whedon
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He's the greatest comic book writer, critic and geek world personality since Kevin Smith!
It is possibly the dumbest murder mystery I've read any any medium
>>78123567
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted him to be more like how Robin is "supposed" to be, which includes dead parents so they can be with Batman and Bruce more.
That or I guess Tim just ran out of stuff since Dixon left so they just decided to throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.
Morrison' thoughts on it
>The first time I read it I was kind of outraged. I thought this was just… why? What the fuck is this, really? It wasn't even normal. It was outrageous. It was preposterous because of the Elongated Man with his arms wrapped several times around the corpse of his wife. I thought something is broken here. Something has gone so wrong in this image
The worst thing about it was Barry's character assassination.
>>78122693
>No resolution with Batman
>No resolution with Dr. Light
>Turns out it was an angry girlfriend
There end doesn't follow from the setup, and doesn't even address all the threads.
Otherwise, I do really appreciate that the focus is on Black Canary and Green Arrow and Zatanna.
>>78122693
It's too sophisticated for /co/
>>78126085
As bad as this was, it lead to Ralph's GOAT scene in 52
>>78122727
The butthurt to this was retarded desu
>Taskmaster single-handedly rekts the Avengers
>perfectly fine
>Slade does the same with the justice league
>it's considered stupid and impossible
>>78122946
This
First of all, it's needlessly dark. Okay, so we found out that Doctor Light raped Sue Dibny and a handful of leaguers covered it up through mind wipes, Jean Loring turned out to be a crazy murderous bitch and Ray fucks off to another dimension.
Now, what have we learned? What has been accomplished? What was the point of anything that just happened or what was just revealed?
And most importantly: why the fuck should anyone care about any of it?
>>78126085
Morrison praises it in Supergods though.
>>78126302
It's the way the scene was written that was retarded. Everyone basically waits their turn to job to make Slade look good and the ways Slade defeats people like Wally and Kyle was incredibly stupid.
>>78127093
You're looking at it like an event comic. You should be looking at it as just good story.
And in good stories, it's the journey that counts, not HOW DID THIS CHANGE THE UNIVERSE FOREVER THO????
>>78127179
It wasn't a good story, though
>>78126302
>Kyle Rayner Greatest GL
>Deathstroke?
>Yeah I'll punch him in the face to leave the mark of my ring
Also calling him Slade shows us that you only saw the Teen Titans cartoon, fucking casual
>>78123523
I cared about Sue Dibny because I actually read comics
>>78127179
>good story
>most plot points are abandoned and left unaddressed by the end
>murder mystery provides absolutely zero clues to the actual murderer
>needless character assassination, both literal and metaphorical, for the sake of "maturity"
>good story
>>78128323
I don't believe that Sue Dibny ever mattered at all to you until you decided to jump in the outrage bandwagon.
>>78128434
>greentext
>memes
>greentext
>>78128445
>not reading JLI
>>78128484
>I get triggered by the color of text
>>78127179
People say this a lot, but I really don't think comics fans look at events the way you say they do. Convergence had some very immediate importance in the DCU and is almost universally seen as underwhelming, whereas something like, say, Peter David's run on X-Factor barely affected anything outside of his own book and it's remembered as one of the best X-related books of the past ten years or so.
>>78126085
Love you Grant.
>>78128524
wut
I'm not triggered; I'm shitposting.
Get your meme terminology straight.
>>78122727
Yes and if someone says otherwise there are as wrong as you can be
>>78129053
>intentional misspelling
(You)
>>78128445
Look who's talking, /tv/ shitposter
>>78129076
>projecting
>>78129207
I agree, you are projecting
>>78129412
literally >no u: the post
>>78128900
Any pics?
>>78129452
Yeah, when I get home i'll take a picture.
Give me 10-20 minutes.
Book is great, people just got really upset. They had an emotional reaction to a comic and thought it meant that it was bad. Because they can't emotions.
>>78122693
>pencils by Rag Morales
>good
>>78129476
>>78129476
Post a picture of your camera or phone to know you are not lying
>>78128200
>being this presumptuous
>laughingwintergreen.avi
>>78129771
He did praise the book, he did say in an interview he didn't like it when he first read it but gave it another chance he liked Meltzer.
He has more nice things to say about Meltzer, Moore, and Millar than he did with Bendis' Secret Invasion, I think.
>>78130078
shit
2/2
>>78130109
>He has more nice things to say about Meltzer, Moore, and Millar than he did with Bendis' Secret Invasion, I think.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Does this nigga even know who he is talking about? He's the master of Marvel, the king of comics, the future Editor-in-Chief. He has 2 shows based on his creations, Powers and Jessica Jones, and someday Miles Morales will be the next Spider-man in movies or TV.
Sorry Grant, but Bendis is the King of Marvel. Those on Team Bendis will guard any and all storylines created by Bendis, or expand on it.
Once he finally runs Marvel, we will enter an era of Bendis continuity. As long as there's a franchise with a movie or TV show, it won't be safe from Bendis Continuity.
He's the future Editor-in-Chief of Marvel, and the other writers at marvel know it. The ones that aren't with him are off doing Star Wars.
>>78130239
Benis? The penis?
>>78130239
I LOVE this pasta
>>78122693
I agree. Best crisis.
>>78122693
It's a good story, but the problem is the majority of the characters aren't written in-character.
Well first off, just following in-book logic and hints, the culprit should have been The Atom, considering his wife was the the one that filed for the divorce it makes no sense for her to be the one trying to push him back towards her when he would have accepted hooking back up with her normally. It was changed last minute because they didn't want to make him a crazy murderer.
>>78130282
You should, you posted it yourself
>>78130299
>It was changed last minute because they didn't want to make him a crazy murderer.
Source?
>>78126302
>something dumb happens in this unrelated story so it's okay that something just as dumb happens in another story
Is this a Man of Steel thread?
Shitty title, shitty mystery, shitty setup for a couple of things that would actually be important in the next crisis.
>>78130326
>>78129423
Upset casual is upset.
>>78130402
No, because MoS is a good movie.
>>78130438
But you were complaining about it.
>>78130422
>40 minutes later
normalscum please
>>78130445
I'm not that guy though. I just defend MoS when memers shit on it.
>>78130460
>I just defend MoS when memers shit on it.
But you're a memer.
>>78130492
Are you memeing? Why am I a memer?
>>78130438
>No, because MoS is a good movie.
If by good you mean shit.
>>78122693
People didn't like two things: rape, and deathstroke. >>78122714
>>78130438
lmao familia, that shit is on par with Green Lantern or Wolverine Origins
>>78122693
>Explain why people don't like this
The rape, because /co/ is extremely sensitive, and flash not being an overpowered mary sue for once. Those are literally the only reasons I've ever seen.
>>78131353
>what is sarcasm
>>78131360
>something often unclear when written
>>78126110
I liked the tie-in Flash comic that explored why Barry agreed to it. Iris' death weighed heavily on Barry and the fact that his good friend was raped by Light was the final straw. Even a good man like Barry would succumb to that weakness.
>>78130755
Here's your reply
>>78130755
It's slightly better but it doesn't hold up to MARVE
>>78131676
what are you sayi
>>78130051
Grant why
>>78130239
Please stop, dude.
Dave Meltzer would've written a better comic tbqh
>>78130051
>>78130114
>made marvel reconsider their options
>IC was indirectly responsible for Civil War
>>78123413
Wait, why the fuck would they kill the Phantom Lady? Was the point of this comic to just kill off or emotionally scar every mystery man in Opal City?
>>78122693
Let me explain Identity Crisis in a nutshell.
There is this couple, a superhero couple, they are the sweetest fucking couple on the planet bar no one.
One of them is murdered, just before revealing to her husband that she is pregnant, might've been on his fucking birthday.
There's a funeral, then an investigation, during this investigation, we find the nice lady that was murdered a few pages after being shown what an absolute sweetheart she is, was raped. They mindfucked her rapist and the one guy in the situation to go "Hey wait a minute, this seems unethical."
A few pages later, his sidekick's father was murdered and somebody tried the same on the Atom's Ex-girlfriend.
Except not, Atom's Ex was responsible for ALL of these killings. First she killed her best friend by not quite accident because she wanted to get back with Atom, rekindling their romance over a minor emergency. Then because of reasons, she puts a hit out on Robin's dad, and hung herself, either to draw guilt away from herself or execute herself for all the deaths she was now culpable for.
So now Bruce is fucked because he finds out his friends mindfucked him. Robin is much the same because his father died in his arms. And Ralph is just fucking gone.
Identity Crisis, was shit suffering porn. The only good thing about it, was that it lead to some of the most nailbitingly AWESOME scenes a few years later in 52.
>>78130239
The fact that this pasta pisses off drones to no end fills me with joy.
>>78131814
>Batman and Robin: orphans
If that's not good cape writing to you then your standards are stupidly high.
>>78131905
No, they're just not fucking abysmal, like your standards for instance.
>>78131987
(You)
>>78131905
except Tim not being an orphan was one of the things that set him apart from the other Robins
>>78126302
pre-direct Speed Force connection Wally
Fuck off
>>78122693
This is like the equivalent of finding out the people you've grown up with for decades include at least one hidden homicidal psychopath, and one past traumatic event no one has ever spoken about. There's never been any indication that Jean Lorring wanted to get back with her ex, Ray Palmer, and that she was willing to kill one of their friends to unite them in grief.
Identity Crisis is a stand alone story. I don't know if it crosses over with any specific issues. But it's just one of those weird DC stories where it's a universe altering miniseries that shakes the very foundations of their bullshit, and that's all it is to me. Ronnie Raymond is dead, and you have to google him to realize who he even is now.
>>78123524
No it's not.
>>78123523
>this is bait
Sue dibny was dearly loved. That's why she was killed in the first place.
>>78127179
This is like saying the entirety of the human experience was good. Hey, WWII was good, huh? Hey, 9/11 was good, too. Most of the people who like this garbage are reading it as a stand alone story, and are familiar with only a handful of famous characters. They can't relate to Atom cause who the fuck even is Atom?
>>78127179
>good story
You wouldn't know a good story if it raped you.
>>78123524
even leaving aside the writing, the art isn't even in the same league
>>78131814
Also remember that Ray wanted to get back with Jean in the first place and jean killing someone to get his attention is retarded.
>>78129550
>emotional reaction to a comic
Is nausea an emotion? I was disgusted and that's certainly an emotional reaction I guess.
>>78130797
How about the mystery being shit, killing off characters like Jack Drake or Boomerang for no reason other than because they can, and pretty much what >>78124800 and
>>78127093 said
>>78131905
Except one of the things that set Tim apart from Jason and Dick was that he still had a living set of parents that played a role in his life
>>78131814
Don't forget that this led Ray into escaping this universe and going into fucking Countdown
>>78123413
isnt this from infinite crisis?
>>78136949
It is.
And his reasoning for why people don't like it doesn't make sense, either.
>>78130438
Why did you start this
>>78136949
kek yes. that anon's a massive casual faggot.
>>78136781
>Killing Boomerbutt
Unacceptable. That dirty aussie managed to survive everything suicide squad could throw at him and in the end he gets capped by Jack fucking drake.
>>78122693
mutant massacre grade stuff, it's a complex and dark story line worth a million infinity crisis comics
>>78122693
>>78137743
tl;dr
>>78130114
>Identity Disc
>Marvel's shameless response to Identity Crisis
Had to Google it because I've never heard about it, and it sounds like shit.
Thanks for the pic. Now I have more material to use when people brings the "greatness" of the House of Ideas.
>>78137922
Identity Crisis's plot is nonsensical and retarded
>>78137922
At least it is shorter and less gruesome than Identity Crisis.
Here is Marvel's Identity Crisis, in all its horror.
>>78138437
>>78138437
>Aunt Petunia
Hey, more proof that Millar is awful. Sweet.
>>78138473
>>78138518
>Brian Bendis
>millar
>>78138473
>Bendis has a fixation with him
well at least he's somewhat self-aware
or he was, at any rate
>>78138473
>Upper right panel 2
Holy shit, Bendis made me laugh. It's also exactly what the Pro-Cap side during Civil War was like.
>>78138586
But Millar actually killed the real Aunt Petunia.
>>78138586
Benis? The penis?
>>78138621
who even wastes the space to remember Millar's run?
>>78138544
>DD reading a comic.
It's the little things...
>>78138544
boy
it's like a parody of Hickman's Avengers 10 years before Hickman's Avengers
>>78138437
>>78138473
>>78138544
I'm not sure what to think about Marvel calling both DC and themselves on their own bullshit and then going ahead with a decade of similar bullshit anyway.
>>78138631
As much as I hate the term, his run deserves some merit for at least owning up to how "fun" it is. Giant Robots? Pteradons? Hits just the right amount of OOT, which is a lot better than those who tried and failed to be serious (namely like what followed).
>>78138691
his uff run was better
>>78138708
Again, similarly not bottom of the barrel, but significantly less entertaining since I have to look at Land art.
>>78138150
Identity Disc was a pretty good mini and had absolutely nothing to do with Identity Crisis though.
>>78138612
>>78138643
All comic events are the same.
>>78131814
what scene?
>>78143615
all of Ralph's story from 52, duh
if anon was referring to a specific one, probably the one at the end where he BTFO of Felix Faust
>>78138586
He's talking about Millar actually killing Aunt Petunia in his run, implying that while Bendis did it as a joke, Millar did it for real, which makes him awful.
On the other hand didn't Latveria get destroyed and restored anyway? There's nothing saying that she has to stay dead.
