Favourite Batgirl?
Favourite costume?
Steph is best Batgirl, New Batman Adventures best costume
Cassandra.
60s Batgirl
>>78020736
Though I like all three. It's not like the Robins where I honestly don't like one or two. All three have their traits that I enjoy. It's just I enjoy Cassandra more.
Aesthetically
Year One Babs.
As a character Cassandra
Best girl.
Best girl in best costume.
>>78021655
>Best girl.
You won't say that after Harper takes all spotlight.
>>78021223
>you will never fuck a Jewy, rubber-clad Batgirl
>>78022385
>you will never fuck anyone
FTFY.
>>78022385
Her costume was rubber?
Cass in Babs' old costume is wonderful, too.
>>78021884
Who?
Cass is best, Babs has her moments. Steph is shit tier thanks to all the retcons and hamfisted handling of making her Batgirl.
I like Batgirl of Burnside the most.
>>78022883
Simone run was so depressing and dark.
>>78017777
Barbara in general, but I rather like the one in All-Star Batman and Robin.
>>78023013
This
>>78023013
>ASBAR gets shit on all the time
>Best DickGrayson Age Twelve
>Best Barbara
Why
>>78017777
Cassandra Cain is the only time when Batgirl was genuinely cool.
As for the best costume, I actually liked the one in Simone's horrible nu52 run. Too bad it was in such a terminally shitty comic.
Both.
Steph for best Batgirl
>>78021375
This and The New Batman Adventures costume are probably my favorite ones.
>>78023988
I think Miller intended that comic as slap-stick humor but it didn't translate well. For the people who took it seriously, of course they'll find the writing atrocious. It was funny though.
>>78022932
I would love to hear Simone's pitch for Batgirl and what her editor expected from that book. The decision to leave TKJ in some sort of continuity was a disaster, but nobody knew what the fuck they were doing right after FP.
>>78017777
Nice get OP.
Cassandra is my favorite because she is the most highly trained and the only one that is logically competent enough to operate on her own.
Trans Batgirl when?
>>78024819
i thought the whole point was to make 'less' roles for white men.
>>78024751
Simone's Batgirl was so bad. I'm half convinced that the shit quality was intentional that backfired on her because all the review sites loved it. I mean, the first chance she got to write an out of continuity story in Sensation she put Oracle in it.
>>78024844
>white
>men
Excuse the fuck out of you, you privileged shitlord.
>>78024867
I want to believe this is true, but remember the first time Editorial tried to take her off of it? She threw a goddamn twitter fit, and there was a whole uproar about it, and DC caved to pressure and kept her on.
>>78024946
I remeber something happening, but I thought it was more other people than her. Do have have any screencaps?
Cassandra for both categories.
>>78024867
She also wrote oracle in convergence nighwing
>>78025053
New editor on book, promptly fired Simone via e-mail. Simone then Twitter rages and her followers join in. It was two years ago around this time actually.
>>78024751
>that fucking pic
That's hilarious.
>>78024819
A Trans Batgirl would be better than what Barbara is right now.
>>78025762
And unedited. Simone's run was good for unintentional hilarity.
>>78025240
>I'm Barbara fucking Gordon
>I'm Black fucking Canary
>>78025792
I wish I had some pages of James Jr. almost fucking that tranny.
>>78025792
Wasn't Simone's run "Ow my edge" level of dark?
>>78024819
I don't know about that, but with blue eyes and green-tinted glasses, this bitch would be a dead ringer for Carrie Kelly
>>78025829
You bet!
>>78025792
>I'm so hardcore I painted a vague, generic slogan on our wall in poorly done block letters
>This is my character introduction
>A writer thought this was enough to establish my character
>>78025797
Dinah introduction was pretty nice.
>>78025870
The narration boxes should have read "What a fucking lunatic. If I call Bruce now, can I have my own place by dusk?"
Being a vigilante with a roommate sounds like it would be practically impossible, anyway, unless Babs' cover was that she was a bare-knuckle boxing champ.
I wonder how long Cass has been not working for the Mother and Orphan since her old costume still fits perfectly?
>>78025851
>pointing your gun at a superhero
>not pointing your gun at the MURDERER WHO IS STILL IN THE ROOM
This is trash.
>>78026696
Why do you hate women?
>>78025915
I didn't like it.
>>78017777
Babs. BTAS costume.
>>78017777
Cass for both, but at her best I like Oracle Babs even more.
Silver/Bronze Age Babs was cool too. Plus BG Year One was great.
Stephanie was fine, but she was always better as Spoiler.
Her stint as Batgirl stripped a lot of what made her character.
Favourite incarnation right here
Jena Malone (who is appearing in BvS) is rumoured to be Batgirl/Oracle
>>78017777
>Favourite Batgirl?
Cass
>Favourite costume?
Steph
>>78027137
Yes please
>>78027332
Pretty much
I remember when Cass could beat up any number of brainwashed ballerina assassins.
>>78028982
Amazing run
Pity we won't get this in the new universe. David seems cut and dry again. All monster, not just a tiny glimmer of humanity.
>>78031372
Not to mention what they did to Shiva. Christ.
>>78031456
Well on the bright side next month? A new reprinted trade come's out. Reprinting the start of an amazing run.
Cassandra Cain on all fields.
>>78021223
>>78022385
More 3D Babs.
>>78032042
really like the Lee/Miller one
>>78032395
Pretty good costume
>>78032395
>>78032864
Kinda looks like Nu52 Bab's first costume. Probably where the inspiration came from.
>>78031372
Don't forget that he's addicted to Fear Toxin.
That whole church fight was stupid as hell. I kept thinking "Why is he trying to talk her to death? The old David Cain would have done his talking with his fists!"
>>78022413
No this one was >>78021223
>>78033483
We still don't know if it's fully him or not. Not to mention whomever the kid "Batman" killed in #1.
>>78034117
>We still don't know if it's fully him or not
Fully or at all. The name David has not been mentioned even once. Only hint that Random Ninja Guy is even related to that role is one vague line of dialogue about how he "made" her.
If he's meant to be David, fuck this universe, and if David doesn't exist, fuck this universe, but all the cards are not on the table yet.
>>78034117
I am hoping like hell to be wrong.
>>78024751
Simone didn't even want the book to be so grimdark and crossovery all the time but the bateditor before Doyle was pushing for it and uniformity. That's one reason why most batbooks before Doyle got fucked in the ass by crossovers and were tonally similar.
>>78035244
Just about everything else was also terrible about that book.
>>78035362
Favorite
>>78037461
Favorite Babs
>>78037461
>Tied up Batgirl
A tradition going back to the beginnings of the character. Launched a million fetishes.
>>78037461
>>78037583
This is how fetishes are born.
>>78022799
ruined it with the tits
>>78024751
>for the lulz
>>78035244
>Simone didn't want the book to be grimdark
I find that very hard to believe. Gail is all about the 2edgy4 material.
>>78041289
>>78024867
>>78025240
And neither one of those was very good either.
>>78028982
Now she needs help from fan-favorite Harper Row!
>>78028982
Ballerina assassins who presumably had been trained the same way as Cass
Harley Quinn
>>78045597
>>78024751
>>78035244
Why was Simone's Batgirl so terrible while her Secret Six is always cosistently good?
>>78045646
>That pose in the last panel
Fuck that's hot.
>>78047727
Editorial maybe
>>78044890
>trained the same way as Cass
If that were even close to being true, then Harper would not have been able to take on even single ballerina mind-slave and should have gone down instantly to a small group.
>>78048202
Harper is our special snowflake.
And avoid next Batman Eternal. "Batman saw something in you, Harper". Fuck off.
>>78048202
That's why Cass was there to even the odds
>>78043924
To be fair, a few seconds before that, Shiva -had- tried to rip her lungs out.
>>78048202
There are a lot of people who've been trained as Cass, but none of them have ever matched up. Even the roided-up chicks in Beechen's shitty last attempt to ruin Cass were consistently not good enough.
>>78048430
I preferred the version where Cain's previous attempts died. It doesn't do Cass any good for a bunch of shittier versions of herself running around.
>>78048865
It seriously makes no fucking sense for him to continue trying. He went to jail and stopped trying to build a better warrior, because he'd succeeded, and his daughter wanted him to stop being bad.
>>78049334
Please tell me this isn't real.
>>78049439
Fan made thank god
>>78049881
>New 52 costumes and continuity
>Except Nightwing is blue
The fuck, guy.
Barbara from BTNA made me feel things as a kid
>>78050484
>>78050498
>>78050508
>>78049932
Weird
>>78048899
Beechen either did not read or did not understand that.
>>78050995
Beechen just straight up did not care. He was told by editorial to write Cass out, didn't really care one way or another, did a shitty job, fans got mad so DC made him try and fix it, but he still didn't give a shit and did it grudgingly with as little effort as possible.
>>78045597
>>78045646
Poison Ivy
>>78051479
>>78024751
I remember when trying to meme was the worst thing DC could do
>>78051479
Someone post Lois as batgirl please
>>78032395
I love the Freckles on All-Star Babs
Too cute.
>>78051755
>>78053230
>>78053242
>>78053249
>>78044890
No, the head ballerina was trained the same way. She was one of Mother's "best". Hence why she was able to go toe-to-toe with Cass.
The rest were just brutes like the ones who attacked Bruce, Dick, Babs, and WaR, yet seemed to endlessly respawn when Cass and Harper faced them.
>>78054742
Missing the corpse.
>>78054790
I totally forgot about war games.
>>78027332
otp
>>78049881
agree best costume
>>78054991
This.
>>78055505
I kind of like that little bat broach.
>>78056561
Same it was my favorite costume from a bad book.
Cass and Cass
>>78056728
It's funny how I always think her mask will suffocate her but I don't have problem with Spider-Men.
>>78056751
It's probably because of the stitching calling attention to the fact that it wasn't originally designed as a full facemask.
>>78056781
Yeah, probably that.
Any reason why she's not having lower half of face revealed like everyone else?
>>78056797
the costume used to belong to Huntress who ate a face full of spray paint and then stitched it up
this was during no mans land so they really didn't have access to their A seamstress
>>78056797
Helena Bertinelli originally created the costume during No Man's Land, and the eye and mouth coverings were to protect against spray weapons.
Cass kept it presumably because it looked ninja as shit.
>>78056963
>>78056996
So there is reason. Thanks anons.
>>78048899
I swear Cass and David's relationship is the best, cutest yet still most fucked up thing ever.
The stuff he did to her was HORRIBLE but Ive seen less love in sane families. Cain would probably take a bullet to the face for his baby girl
Best girl: Cass
Best costume: Steph
>>78057042
Yup
>>78057240
I'll always miss the little things from preFP DC.
>>78058096
Looks like we will get to see nu52 David Cain for certain next week in B&R Forever.
>>78058134
Big proud papa.
>>78058145
I loved David
>>78059169
>I know how to ask for a drink in every language
>>78059185
>>78059169
One of the things I loved about Cass how her family was still alive and she was fighting her legacy, which was one of the many ways she was the exact opposite of Bruce.
Not sure is she counts she is my second favorite bat lady. I miss her.
Batman Beyond Babs
>>78058134
It's the Orphan, and Orphan is already shit despite having appeared in like three issues only.
Also BR&E just now had two issues in a row without Cass in it. WTF DC?
Also, do I remember wrong or didn't the early interviews say Spoiler was going to appear in this comic? Because 10 issues in, she has been seen once and done literally nothing.
>>78059428
I always loved how incredibly fucked up David's relationship with his daughter was. How even though he spent her childhood doing his best to kill her, he still has this weird, gnarled little attachment to her that you could almost call "love" if we didn't have video evidence of him shooting her when she was 6.
>>78059572
>It's the Orphan,
That is the obvious thing, but I am hoping like hell that I am wrong.
>she has been seen once and done literally nothing.
Technically a true statement since she was seen in the series. I think they forgot about her in the Batcave. Hopefully Alfred is feeding her.
>>78059606
It IS love. David loves his little girl. Everything he did was to make her strong.
>>78059525
Yeah
>>78059657
There's room for a twist. But I don't think they have the self-awareness for a twist. The last time everyone thought they were going for an obvious twist, we got Cass as a Robin villain.
>>78060036
And if Orphan isn't David Cain, then what the fuck is he? Some random ninja they had hanging around?
>>78059663
>>78059606
If I was writing a Cass story, David would show up halfway through for a midboss fight "to make sure his little girl was keeping in shape" or he would blow Tim's head off with a booby trap or something. After beating him, he and Cass would hug, then she would tell him to be sure to go back to jail.
>>78060328
When does Kate ever have long hair?
>>78062183
She looks better with short
>>78062183
Besides 52, of course.
>>78062823
Is so weird looking at Kate first apparance compare to her later look.
>>78062823
She has long hair in Bombshells.
>>78063358
Good
>>78064247
Perfection
>>78059474
Bad Blood is gonna be fucking painful.
>>78062823
It's easy to forget how insanely bland she was at first.
>>78065073
Some exposure for Kate.
>>78065126
Kate was a REALLY bad character when she was introduced. It was only when Williams got hold of her that she became something.
>>78065404
Her later looks became the standard design.
>>78060885
>Family Sitcom about Cass' attempts to lead a normal life while also being a crime-fighter
>Guest-starring David Cain, who breaks out of prison every few episodes to visit his daughter
>Cass brings her new boyfriend home for supper
>David drops out from the ceiling, brandishing a gun
>"DAAAAAD!"
>"Oh come on, you can't seriously like this guy! Look, he pissed himself!"
>"You pointed a gun at him!"
>"It's not even loaded, see"
>Blows out the boyfriend's kneecap
>"Whoops"
>Keeps hiring League Assassins to take Cass out on dates, hoping that she'll marry a nice hitman and make him proud
>>78067632
Hired
>>78065126
>>78065404
I presume Kate's creation in 52 was to make the news as an openly gay character. I wasn't reading comics at the time, so I have no idea how they glossed over Montoya, who was already gay and in the same comic.
>>78068152
Was cartoon Renee gay. I know Maggie's was
>>78068178
I don't believe I've ever heard anything like that about DCAU Renee, but Sawyer was no surprise.
>>78068268
No idea how dcau got past the censor.
>>78067632
>Dad how do you know to break out everytime I have a date?
>Well those are just the times you know about, I actually duck out every Saturday and Tuesday to see a movie and grab some decent chinese food.
>it's wednesday, dad
>And I wanted a burger.
>You need to stay out of my personal life. Bruce help me, tell him he needs to leave my boyfriend alone.
>*cough* ahem, actually I kinda, um...
>What you don't like him either
>Well, ah, he is just I don't know, kinda a bit of a lil bitch, he pissed himself the first time we met.
>That's because you made him sit next to damian at dinner.
>>78068459
Post more
>>78068178
>>78068268
Maggie was a pre-existing comics character and was created as gay. Renee wasn't originally supposed to be a lesbian, in fact the BTAS writers guide mentioned that she had a husband.
>>78059663
Yeah. It's a messed up logic and a bad analogy I admit but I liken it too a father helping his kid learn to box or play football.
If you want them to be any good at all you wouldn't not tackle or punch them. You'd hit them hard because that's how they're gonna learn to play.
David was training her to be the greatest fighter and assassin. He's gonna shoot or stab her a few times.
It's fucked up but he wasn't some drunk beating on her because he had a bad day at work
>>78028982
Here she's modelling the experimental Utility Tutu.
>>78069668
I wish we got more time with Cass knowing that Shiva was her mother before her character was ruined by Infinite Crisis. Or at least just one reaction from someone learning that.
>>78071869
Shiva being Cass' mom was super dumb.
>>78071967
Also was clearly not Puckett's intent, since they only start laying hints after he left the book.
>>78071967
>>78072017
It was foreshadowed in their first meeting, and made sense considering eugenics is a short step from Cain's normal world's greatest fighter program. Also cheaper than going the Les Enfant Terribles route.
>>78072017
>That period when she was searching for her mother, and basically every Asian female in the DCU was suspected at one point
>>78072070
>>78072076
I don't recall it being a very long list.
>>78072076
Or more liked legacy era.
>>78073510
What is Kate doing these days, after her solo series disastrously ended?
>>78073574
Bombshells, convergence the question, bad blood and a cameo in batgirl annual.
>>78073574
Did they at least stake that vamp?
>>78074650
I totally forgot about that run, I think they did.
>>78066735
Contender for biggest new 52 fuck up.
>>78050498
Country girls are best girls
>>78074922
I miss William artwork
>>78075328
What is that dude doing these days? Hopefully it involves someone else doing the writing.
>>78075466
He did the artwork for sandman
Cassandra.
Naked.
>>78075903
Perfect
Steph should really have bigger boobs. She's had a kid.
>>78077136
Well that went to her best ass-set.
>>78068459
>>78068828
>she won't date Jason only because both of them approve
>"bruce, can I borrow a limo tonight for prom?"
>"What, can't your date drive?"
>"I don't have a date, I broke up with my boyfriend because he was getting too paranoid 'someone's following me to school in the morning' 'the same car followed me home again yesterday' it was getting exhausting"
>"you know, I think Jason is free tonight"
>"No that's ok..."
>voice from inside an air vent "really, you should give jason a call"
>"Dammit, dad!"
>>78077979
Thank you
>>78077618
Alex Ross?
>>78037461
>Stray Bat
>>78079233
Yes that costume was mean for Barbara before Kate was created
>>78079937
In the late 1990s, artist/painter Alex Ross took a stab at redesigning the costume of Barbara Gordon AKA the classic Batgirl. Ross was working on a new Batgirl proposal with Paul Dini, who has been one of the showrunners behind many of DC’s animated series and films, including the famous Batman: The Animated Series. Dini and Ross proposed a story that restored Barbara Gordon to her role of Batgirl, which she had left behind in the late 1980s due to an injury that rendered her a paraplegic. Barbara Gordon would regain her ability to walk and would sport an updated costume, one darker and more in keeping with the moody atmosphere of Batman’s stories. The new costume greatly resembled the Bat uniform featured in the cartoon Batman Beyond, which began airing in 1999 and of which Paul Dini was a producer.
DC Comics decided not to go with the proposal. Since losing her ability to walk, Barbara Gordon had dealt with her disability and now operated as a character called Oracle, aiding not only Gotham heroes and the Justice League, but also acting as coordinator for the heroes known as the Birds of Prey. DC felt that having such a strong, disabled character in their fictional universe outweighed the chance to see her become a costumed vigilante again. A new Batgirl would be introduced in 1999 with a distinctly different outfit.
>>78080318
>DC felt that having such a strong, disabled character in their fictional universe outweighed the chance to see her become a costumed vigilante again.
Happier times.
>>78081786
Sadly nostalgia won.
>>78054815
Then how do you remember her as Robin?
>>78081820
Christ, they even brought back Barry Allen, who died before most fans were even born.
>>78084016
They even brought Kara which I used to hate before gates took over her.
>>78083982
Fan art.
>>78084085
That I actually agree with since every other Supergirl ended up being absurdly convoluted, and Superman being the only kryptonian isn't a big thing for me.
>>78084217
Kara got better but the first 19 issues were terrible the cass fight was stupid.
>>78084217
honestly it seems a tad inconceivable that every single member of a space-faring race were on-world at the time
>>78084257
Didn't the "red sunlight swords" turn into a plot point when somebody realized that mundane melee weapon that could kill a kryptonian was pretty good.
>>78084368
That nothing compare to latter ass pull cristal power.
