This is worse than the New 52 ever was. New 52 had at least 10 good titles. This has The Visions and that's about it.
When will the "New 52 was worse than Hitler" meme finally end?
>>77990017
probably when DC sales are finally up
Nu52 failed. DCYou failed. What next?
>>77990404
Nu52 was actually a huge sales success.
I don't want to be that guy, but nick spencer's captain america is also a very good read, and Kamala is very cute and fun, nothing awesome but still a solid book for those who like magical girls. You already mentioned The Vision.
That's all, everything else has been solid shit.
>>77990404
New 52 didn't fail
>>77990551
Hulk was good
>>77990017
What are the ten good titles anon?
>>77990517
>>77990584
>huge sales
>There are some other unfavorable trends for DC in 2014. Bleeding Cool discussed the sales figures for March 2014. This was the month where DC notably had the top four selling issues. However, we’ve just seen that their other comics didn’t do so hot, as only 7 other series sold over 40,000 copies. Somewhat understandably, DC’s market share took a hit. The dollar share (basically, the percentage of total comic book dollars) fell from 28.73% in February 2014 to 25.94% in March with the unit share (the percentage of issues sold) fell from 31.12% to 29.02% in those months. Meanwhile, Marvel’s share in March 2014 rose to 34.31% in dollar share and 38.17% in unit share.
>>77990551
cap isn't anything to scream about. Ms Marvel is good, but it was good before marvel relaunched. And yeah, Vision is great.
ANAD was a waste.
>>77990551
I fervently disagree. Wolverine has started an interesting run in one of the best ways possible. With Taskmaster.
Hulk is pure Cho-shlock and I love it. New Avengers only stinks for how much cheese it has. ANADA had hilarious pages and meh ones, but it is by no means shit.
The only book I really hate is Thor.
Fuck that noise.
>>77990017
Karnak was good
>>77990707
>2014
New 52 started in 2011. We won't be able to make a marvel comparison because they will have relaunched in another 2 years
>>77990806
>2011
and three years later their market share has dropped and maintained far behind Marvel
I mean I would also compare Time Warner's insanely bad stock plunge and Disney Marvel's continuous rise but that's not much of a fair comparison considering all the other properties.
>>77990517
>>77990584
Nu52 cratered, it was just a massive sugar hit
>>77990017
Y'know, it just occured to me that like half of the ANAD books haven't even launched yet, and most of the ones that have are only 1-2 issues in.
>>77991243
Iron Man is on like issue 5
I heard Dr Strange and Daredevil were both very good, is that not the case?
I trade wait, so I'm always behind
>>77991243
and we are comparing it to something that has been going since 2011
>>77991296
It's on issue 4, since it was the first ANAD book to launch and double-shipped. A couple of the other ones that launched in october and double-shipped initially are at 3, but the majority are still only at 1-2.
>>77991321
autistic people about Dr Strange not being able to handle his own with weapons are going to pop up but it is pretty good
I didn't like any of the Nu52 books. All the DC books that I picked up from it were post launch/finishing out Morrison's Bat-run
I like a handful of ANAD Marvel books. About the same amount I was reading before, really, which is a fairly small (5-6)
>>77990017
both inhumans books were good
>>77991321
General rule of thumb: if someone tells you something form Marvel is "very good" they're probably getting paid to tell you that. The best a Marvel comic can get is OK, and ANAD barely has that lol
>>77991395
dcshill, get outta here, shouldn't you guys be spending your money on getting a better WW actress?
>>77991395
Disney has a lot of money, but Disney also has a lot of accountants, and I'm pretty sure they're not stupid enough to authorize significant cash to be paid out to anonymous clowns on the internet to shill for Marvel books
You can think someone who loves Marvel's output is stupid (and sometimes they are) but if you think Marvel is paying someone's rent so that they can get good comic book reviews then you're more stupid than anyone could possibly be from reading a bad comic book
>>77991321
>Daredevil
Didn't like that they return to the "no one knows Matt is DD" status quo.
>>77990404
All New All Different DC
A lot of the new Marvel stuff just seems so dumb. Constant relaunches, replacing characters and placing newbies in mantles for shock value or just so it can be labeled as "new and fresh"
This coming from a guy who has read more Marvel than DC and really likes both overall. New 52 hurt, but at least it can stay itself for more than 5 minutes. Too many Marvel ongoings end after 12 issues and creative teams are constantly switching. Its like what is even the point
Also the constant events which are rarely ever good.
>>77990707
Top 10 selling comics for January 2012
>1. Justice League #5 (DC)
>2. Batman #5 (DC)
>3. Action Comics #5 (DC)
>4. Detective Comics #5 (DC)
>5. Green Lantern #5 (DC)
>6. Batman: The Dark Knight #5 (DC)
>7. Superman #5 (DC)
>8. The Flash #5 (DC)
>9. Batman and Robin #5 (DC)
>10. Aquaman #5 (DC)
Hulk is good too, but overall you're not wrong.
>>77990886
Because Marvel relaunches everything to number 1 every two years to constantly boost comic sales.
They also have been in the bankruptcy spot more than once.
>>77990942
It was every other relaunch of it's kind. If Marvel didn't renumber their titles every two years their sales would drastically drop like DC's are now too. Over hyped relaunches bring in new and fringe readers who stick with things for about a year before loosing interest. By constantly resetting to number 1 you can get those people every year.
DC would benefit from doing it but they'd rather let their titles grow naturally. It's why Batgirl wasn't set back to issue one. Sometimes they don't even make relaunches number one. Outsiders changed it's numbering pre-Flashpoint to reflect that the previous run and the run before that were all one straight storyline. They'd done that a few other times, to be fair so have Marvel.
>>77992339
Ouch
>>77990017
when you stop whining about it you fucking ninny
>>77990751
Hulk has Taskmaster? Shit, might have to check it out.
>>77992339
Top 10 selling comics January 2013
> Superior Spider-Man #1
> Batman #16
> Justice League #16
> New Avengers #1
> Superior Spider-Man #2
> Savage Wolverine #1
> Uncanny Avengers #3
> Detective Comics #16
> Avengers #3
> Uncanny X-Force #1
>>77991895
Marvel comics in recent years have always felt so bland to me. Even character I like everything feels empty. I loved Vision because King just presented a great story, I was bored by everything else I read because it just felt hollow
DC on the other hand? I feel like most of the DCYou books I've read have at least felt like the writers cared. Like Dr. Fate is boring but you can tell Levitz researched and put some care into certain things. Midnighter is amazing and underated, Prez is a blast, Robin has a beautiful artstyle and has been pretty good, We Are Robin is a bit mediocre but it has a nice style all it's own. Even Batgirl, though I hated it, made me feel something.
Nearly every Marvel title I've read as of late just felt so shallow and vapid. Vision is being saved because King is a great writer who cares but even most good writers I like can't make interesting books anymore. I don't remember ever feeling nothing from reading a Marvel comic before. It's a new sensation and I don't really like it.
>>77992992
Wasn't Marvel now a poorly received relaunch? That didn't really match the New 52 or ANAD? It still beat DCYou of course but that's probably the worst relaunch ever
>>77992992
Isn't that Marvel Now's launch? Or was it a different "let's reset everything" event? It didn't dominate the top 10 all on it's own?
>>77990017
ANAD has decent books.
>Vision
>New Avengers
>ANAD Spider-Man
>TA Hulk
>Spidey
>Silk
>Ms. Marvel
I'm sure other anons can add to the list because I'm not closely following the relaunch. Anyway I think judgment should be withheld for the moment. New 52 has been around for a while and ANAD is very recent.
>>77993054
DCYou's problem was that people all thought it was another reboot and all whined about how DC was rebooting again instead of realizing that it was just a new marketing brand. I think just about every one of my casual friends bitched about it being a reboot... They don't even read comics past what I give them to read either.
>>77993021
>>77993021
>Marvel comics in recent years have always felt so bland to me. Even character I like everything feels empty. I loved Vision because King just presented a great story, I was bored by everything else I read because it just felt hollow
My exact same reaction. I'm honestly not to familiar with Marvel history but I gave Black Knight a go thinking it looked interesting but the Avengers appearing at the end killed all my interest
>>77993111
The Inhumans one with Human Torch and Beast is good, I don't know about the one from last week yet. Carnage, Karnak, Black Knight and even Moon Girl are some that i've been enjoying
How many "Why I hate Marvel" threads do we really need?" Are you faggots so desperate for an excuse or you really need someone to literally tell you why you have to not like things?
>>77992945
No, Wolverine does. Reread the post.
>>77993311
>>77992945
Hulk doesn't have Taskmaster, but it has Lady Hellbender.
>>77993311
>How many "Why I hate Marvel" threads do we really need?"
Have you seen how much market share DC's lost over the last few years?
Nu52 couldn't go the distance and Convergence was a fucking disaster. At this rate Image will be the second of the "Big Two" in a few years time and the DCasuals are in full panic mode.
TL;DR just wait until their movie tanks and they'll be screaming high enough to break glass.
More Marvel shitpost
>>77989138
>>77984501
>>77990017
I like Vision and Hulk. Doctor Strange is okay, nothing more, nothing less. I really want to like Daredevil, but the first issue left me pretty ambivalent.
So I pretty much agree with you.
>>77993974
It's the australians and the canadians
>>77993974
dcshills out in force tonight.
>>77994003
Bland and inoffensive is how I'd describe nearly everything Marvel has put out in the last few years.
>>77993974
drug induced ego death is a meme
>>77991628
It's dumb but honestly I'm glad they're doing it. I like it when people don't know for sure that Matt is Daredevil. I was hoping they'd be able to return to the status quo in a non retarded way, but it'll be magic or some shit.
>>77993167
>I don't know about the one from last week yet.
All-New Inhumans with Crystal?
>>77993063
Close, Marvel's All-New NOW!
>>77990017
Try harder with your bait next time, OP. Almost every title from ANAD has been solid.
>>77996087
Yes
>>77993585
Ooooh, Lady Hellbender. Wow. Generic Cho girl #27.
>>77996180
Black Knight says hi.
>>77990017
New 52 was/is pretty shit but that doesn't make ANAD not shit. Same goes for the reverse.
I really don't understand company wars stuff, 90% of comic books are just shit
>>77996332
This. People are trying to desperately hold on to something but they were both abominable and the only thing that's good on both tend to be niche titles for the most part.
>>77991375
I didn't like it because I just don't like the approach to the character.
Strange's general tone felt off enough to make me drop it before I even finished the first issue. Having said that I don't read him very much in general, so I maybe wasn't making a very educated choice.
I personally just didn't like it.
>>77990551
> magical girls
Weeaboo trash
>>77996332
People forget that the Batbooks were the only good thing DC was pumping out before the reboot.
DCYou is arguably better than DC has been in years. I can't really say the same for Marvel. As I said earlier I've felt Marvel has been really inoffensive and bland for the last few years more often than not. A very safe average with very few exceptions.
>>77993902
>At this rate Image will be the second of the "Big Two" in a few years time and the DCasuals are in full panic mode.
>TL;DR just wait until their movie tanks and they'll be screaming high enough to break glass.
This is some next level delusion.
>>77990017
I disagree, while ANAD has a number of titles I don't care about, what I've read I've enjoyed more than when I read titles from nu52.
>ExX-Men
>AN Wolverine
>AN Illuminati
>Carnage
>Venom
>Ms Marvel
>Vision
>Uncanny Avengers
>Amazing Spider-Man
>ANAD Avengers
And even one of the Inhumans books has been been enjoyable, and we're still waiting on the Spider-Man / Deadpool Team Up book written by Joe Kelly to drop. I'd say their openning lineup is far stronger than DC's new 52, it's yet to be determined how many of Marvel's ANAD titles get canceled, I think after we have those numbers we can determine which was a success and which was a failure.
>>77996645
>And even one of the Inhumans books has been been enjoyable,
which one?
>>77996670
The one with Beast fucking up time (again), with Kang as the antagonist. All New Inhumans, I think. I read the first few pages of Uncanny, but had to do other shit and lost the thread, haven't cared enough to jump into the archives and find it.
>>77996750
That was uncanny
>>77996798
Ah, okay then, I got it confused with the one with Crystal in it, cool to see that character back, but as a casual to Inhuman stuff she came off as Marvel's 'Avatar', and that left a sour taste in my mouth, but I really should find that storytime and finish it before I pass judgment.
>>77996823
Uncanny Inhumans #1: http://desustorage.org/co/thread/76844207
Uncanny Inhumans #2: http://desustorage.org/co/thread/77543293
All-New Inhumans #1: >>77872057These storytimes were done by the same person.
>>77996180
>>77996180
>Almost every title from ANAD has been solid.
wow Marvel must be worse than I ever thought if you think this stuff is solid
>>77992992
Its because of the movies
>>77997062
Whoa dude, thanks, nice to see that there are still a few /co/mrads left.
>>77991395
Like, trust me. I dropped Marvel hard after everything I was following from them got canned, and none of the Secret Wars tie-ins were anything substantial.
Pak & Cho's Hulk is a blast and exactly what I was expecting from the team, and Visions. Overall their line-up sucks something fierce right now, but they've got at least two pullable titles that I will be getting trades for.
>>77997062
All but four images in the All New Inhumans thread have been deleted, or cannot be found.
>mfw that's the only one I haven't read yet
>>77997301
I think the complete version is on desustorage.
>>77997301
http://desustorage.org/co/thread/77872057/
>>77991321
Very Good is a bit of an overstatement. DD in particular was just okay, with nothing really interesting happening. Dr Strange has great art but the story is basically Jason Aaron rehashing his God Butcher storyline, only now with magicians from other worlds and without the gimmick of doing three different timelines as a converging narration tool.
Anyone got a link to Vision #1?
>>77993902
>At this rate Image will be the second of the "Big Two" in a few years time and the DCasuals are in full panic mode.
That would requite Image to have several long running, stable books in their stable with good sales, rather than Walking Dead and Saga.
>>77997189
Marvel selling well because most of the press shills them and shits on DC.
I mean nothing company war here that's just the cold hard truth. The movies do help but most of the time movies sell trades not floppies. And DC's trade sales are apparently really strong from what they claim. A lot of their books are selling better in trades it seems.
The problem is from a news and social media standpoint DC is failing. They can't market for shit right now. DCYou wasn't marketed well at all, neither are their current books. Meanwhile Marvel is going on the View and Colbert Report to talk about changes six months before it even happens.
>>77997371
Check the Desustorage and search Vision 001 and Vision 002.
I'm glad Vision has an ongoing right now. I hope it's sales can be strong.
>>77997371
http://desustorage.org/co/thread/77224870/
>>77997451
And there's the classic meme of "DC is too edgy and grimdark and don't have any good comics, Marvel is fun with rainbows and butterflies and everything they do is AWESOME!"
>>77997498
Not to mention that DC is racist, sexist and homophobic, and Didio is going to vote for Trump.
>>77990751
>Wolverine has started an interesting run in one of the best ways possible.
I really disagree. It's bad both as an X-23 series and as a generic solo.
>>77997498
And this odd illusion that DC isn't "PC Friendly" on sites like Tumblr and Twitter despite the fact that they clearly are. They were before DCYou. They're just not obnoxious and in your face about it. They treat the stuff with a bit more respect honestly.
All this stuff works against them despite the fact that honestly they're putting out good stuff right now for the most part.
>>77997498
>>77997590
eh you guys are being over dramatic. DC on gets tagged with being edgy and not having enough women. Marvel for some reason or another doesn't seem to get hate as fast as DC. Like people loved gotg for several months then it got all the hate. I think Ultron was the first one to get quick hate. I think Iron man and winter soldier are the only ones to keep positive reviews a year after release.
>>77997478
I doubt the sales will be high considering this is a... VERY different book than the typical superhero fare.
Marvel are giving free copies of #2 to retailers so hopefully that will help, let them give it away or sell it cheap to try and keep readers.
>>77990017
multicultural pals! many heroes, under one white woman's choice!
>>77990017
by the way how is the new thor sales going? I doubt it's doing better than it has before the sex swap
>>77997632
>DC on gets tagged with being edgy and not having enough women
Which is hilarious because DC has always had a relatively good track record for having long running female led books. DC had Birds of Prey, an all female team book that ran over hundred friggin' issues.
>>77997715
You'd think wrong, the sales are actually doing better and it holds readership better than the vast majority of titles out there. Sad but there it is.
>>77997632
The movies get the typical hate once they get too popular. The Winter Solider is the only one that's been really exempt from that and I'm not sure what happened there to spare it.
Iron Man did get some hate after it's period of being popular but because it was paired with the more popular The Dark Knight which was nitpicked to hell and back after a while. It has flaws but some people started to attack the most minor of shit. That happens to all of them though.
That's not even just a /co/ or 4chan thing people start to hate what becomes too popular. They get sick of seeing it shoved in their face and grow to hate it. It's pretty natural.
DC gets tagged more with treating it's woman badly than not having any. Honestly when it comes to female characters DC has the more popular ones. Marvel's only recently making waves in that department with the two Marvels and Spider-Gwen.
>>77990017
god damn, ironman's new armor looks like shit and doesn't deserve to be front and center
>>77997607
I dunno, I was pretty skeewy about whether or not it would make a good book, but it's pretty okay. The only thing I dislike is her relationship with teen Angl which is just bleh and the really awkward looking costume.
>>77991321
The art and visual flourishes are good, plot is whatever, but Strange's dialouge and voice are pretty bad.
>>77990017
I mean, Ant Man's pretty good.
Marvel is fucking bland and boring as fuck.
Thor god of thunder was the last thing I remember reading that was worth a shit.
>>77997751
DC always gave their female characters more love and care but people hold Alex DeWitt over them.
You had The Outsiders in the 80s, a team that was half female whole held their weight, and the Teen Titans had tons of female characters that were just as capable as the boys, going into the late 80s-90s they added quite a few more female characters like Wonder Girl II, Artemis (I think? Was she sooner not a huge Wonder Woman buff.), Arrowette, Cass Cain,Empress, Spoiler, the new Huntress, a new Supergirl, Jesse Quick, Secret, and more. Then you have the mainstay girls like Wonder Woman, and Black Canary getting a good heep of focus.
Every comic company has that moment of mistreating it's female characters but DC has always invested more time with it's girls.
They sell Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman merch regularly while Marvel is too afraid to push Black Widow because the boy stuff is more marketable. They're just not as upfront about it.
>>77997607
I couldn't finish issue 1. I love Laura but it was just really bland and empty. I was looking forward to it too.
>>77997753
so they got a good writer or are they dangling why thor lost his hammer in the first place?
>>77993021
>Marvel comics in recent years have always felt so bland to me. Even character I like everything feels empty.
Marvel editors are only scripting events anymore and forcing non-sensical mandates.
Meanwhile writers are free to not give any sort of fucks anymore about character history or just even basic character personality. They can just write whatever. Then they tack on some generic plot that we've either seen a million times within that franchise before or some convoluted bullshit that the editors should've blown up on inception.
Marvel as a whole just doesn't care anymore. No one wants to make good books anymore and those who usually did have pretty much all left.
The tragedy of it all is that Marvel is selling better than ever. I don't know if it's because of stronger marketing pushes or because pretty much every book, no matter how involved gets now advertised as a perfect jumping on point thanks to everything being generic and repetitious.
>>77997623
Which is a shame too because a good bit of the stuff is pretty good but they aren't attention whoring about it so it doesn'y matter
>>77997763
>The movies get the typical hate once they get too popular. The Winter Solider is the only one that's been really exempt from that and I'm not sure what happened there to spare it.
Because that and TDK are the only superhero movies that are legitimately good and not just "good for superheroes"
>>77990683
different anon here, but I got u senpai:
Wonder Woman
Swamp Thing
Animal Man
Demon Knights
AS Western
Frankenstein
Action
Flash
Aquaman
Batwoman
>>77997763
>The Winter Solider is the only one that's been really exempt from that and I'm not sure what happened there to spare it.
Because it had superhero speeches, villain monologues, and the hero wasn't smug through the movie. The Batroc and elevator fights don't count as smug because with Batroc it was "talk shit get hit" and with the elevator it was more like "Steve is probably fucked, but he'll go out swinging."
>>77990017
Why do these books sell at all? Granted they're selling at record lows for Marvel in the last few years, but why at all? And why do people keep buying fake #1's thinking they're worth anything?
>>77998039
Because once they buy those "fake #1s" they have the urge to complete the set until the next wave of #1s.
>>77998039
Because it's trendy and muh variants
>>77990017
Vision
Strange
That's it really. Hoping Squadron Supreme is decent.
>>77996284
She showed up barely enough to say her name. And I think Cho-babes is kinda the point of the book. Aside from spider-outrage.
>>77996184
That really was kinda nice. Not too innovative as of right now, but the execution is good and it plays the Inhumans as the more savvy group compared to Mutants. Also them working as a state really changes their status as they can play diplomacy on eye-level.
>>77997988
I know it's not the most popular book here but Snyder's Batman was good for that it was, and Batman and Robin was pretty good too.
Smugnestro really made Green Lantern a great buddy cop comic. Probably one of my favorite books at launch.
Nightwing at least had a decent enough first issue. Wasn't the best but it wasn't really bad.
Static was really great and really got screwed over by it's writer leaving before issue 2 was even out since most people dropped it as a result.
>>77998074
I hold genuine contempt for people who play the variant game, unless they are poor rubes who are totally new to the industry and just do not know any better.
>>77998039
Hip hop variants have been nice to collect for someone who actually likes hip hop
>>77998137
Every now and then if it's a variant I like I'll pick it up and frame it but to actually collect them all seems like a pain.
>people acting like DC is selling well
there is really no reason to delude yourself, it does no one any benefit
>>77998144
Print them off the internet on some glossy paper then
>>77998255
Some people actually enjoy the chase and collectible value. Mind you I didnt buy any of the hip hop variants because I hate hip hop and they have no value. I collect 1:25's and up though.
>>77998255
4.99 is the price of a coffee dude its not gonna break the bank
>>77998215
>People acting like Star Wars and events aren't the only thing selling worth a damn
Star Wars is dominating the top 10 with just Batman, Justice League, TWD, and Spider-Man usually filling out the rest.
Was Darkhorse's Star Wars selling this well?
1 Star Wars Shattered Empire 1 $3.99 Marvel 208,884
2 Star Wars 9 $3.99 Marvel 135,817
3 Batman 44 $4.99 DC 114,409
4 Deadpool Vs Thanos 1 $3.99 Marvel 108,610
5 Darth Vader 9 $3.99 Marvel 100,235
6 Amazing Spider-Man Renew Your Vows 5 $3.99 Marvel 94,653
7 Batman Annual 4 $4.99 DC 80,684
8 Justice League 44 $3.99 DC 76,752
9 Walking Dead 146 $2.99 Image 69,006
10 Deadpool Vs Thanos 2 $3.99 Marvel 67,901
11 Star Wars Lando 4 $3.99 Marvel 61,542
12 Captain America White 1 $4.99 Marvel 59,510
13 Civil War 4 $3.99 Marvel 59,101
14 Thors 3 $3.99 Marvel 57,917
15 Harley Quinn 20 $3.99 DC 56,836
16 Detective Comics 44 $3.99 DC 55,871
17 Harley Quinn Road Trip Special 1 $5.99 DC 51,135
18 Sandman Overture 6* $3.99 DC 48,553
19 A-Force 4 $3.99 Marvel 46,636
20 Star Wars Kanan 6 $3.99 Marvel 45,402
That's September's top 20. It's really not as terrible as people make it out to be DC's problem is that their lesser characters don't sell that well but it's not like Marvel is any better off in that department they just load shit up with more ensemble and team books than DC.
>>77998325
ok yeah that's great and all but that still doesn't argue the point that DC just straight up isn't selling well overall
there is literally nothing to argue, in fact it would be better if people acknowledged low sales so that DC could do something about their marketing efforts so good book aren't consistently cancelled
>>77998255
>>77998287
Also printing on glossy paper would actually be more expensive via ink and the nice paper. I only get the covers of albums I actually like or listen to. Have gotten like 7 total.
I've been lucky on which albums have been which runs as well. Visions was a Wiz variant. Uncanny Inhumans was Outkast. All New Inhumans was Future. Few others but still, lucky that they've been runs I want anyway
>>77998100
It did pretty well to set up things. I hope it gets better next week.
>>77998344
>>77998215
This isn't about sales. It's about quality and Marvel is shit for it
>>77997826
Muh daughter, muh failure as father.
Foes were better.
>>77998344
Marvel cancelled 33 comics going into ANAD.
The differences is Marvel resets every two years so they cancel titles differently. It's not like they don't have poor selling titles Winter Soldier, for example, sold like hot garbage and DC would have cancelled it sooner, Marvel however will use ANAD as a reason to cancel it.
And then by restarting everything to number 1 they get a sales boost. Sales start going down after about two years so they just restart again. Like clockwork.
DC isn't selling as over well strong but it's not as drastic as everyone makes it out to be. They just don't do things the same way as Marvel.
>>77990017
>King fag pops in.
>>77990017
DC is literally too patrician for normies. Big numbers in issues scare them away.
Marvel needs to stop all this pandering bullshit they have been doing lately
>>77998458
Pandering isn't the problems. The books being hollow and lacking a soul is the problem...
>>77990017
> Vision
> Uncanny Inhumans
> Ms.Marvel
> Ultimates
> Deadpool
> Spider-Man and Iron-Man (I don't even know how this two are decent)
> Caps
> Strange
> 2099
> She-Wolf
> Illuminati
> Daredevil
I already count 13 good series, ones better than others but good series.
As for now I am enjoying this new lineup way more than Marvel Now! or other shit, but must of the books have 2 issues so lets see how they hold on after the first arc.
>>77998889
>Daredevil
Really? he saves some fag from drowning with invisible ninja boy and that's good is it?
Standards are way to fucking low
>>77998918
Soule is writing, it won't be bad, it can't be great also but it won't be a bad book
>>77998966
>Soule is writing, it won't be bad
Uh, Soule wrote Wolverines which was garbage and his Inhumans stuff hasn't exactly been that great. At best most of his Marvel stuff is just readable
>>77994134
Why don't you just go and order a bunch of extra Squirrel Girl Books so you can be eligible for a Rap Variant anon.
>>77997623
but they got Berganza anon, that cancels everything out.
>>77999111
But then again his Red Lanterns and ST was great.
>>77990017
Is that Tonto on the right?
>>77999111
But anon readable is all a Marvel book needs to be in order to be accepted.
>>77999197
those were DC properties anon, one where he isn't tied by editorial to do dumbshit and write dumb books. Remember when Inhumanity was passed on to him? Actually does anyone even remember Inhumanity?
>>77992339
What's Dial H about?
>>77999228
Daredevil is a low-key book, he is no tie-up because Marvel wants to push Daredevil like they wanted to push Inhumans or like they wanted to try to imitate Batman Eternal formula.
I think he is a safe bet in Daredevil book.
>>77999228
He should be a little better off with inhumans now. Before he was had inferno forced on him, BB was hickman only, delays because of the artist, AvX tie in because inverted medusa, and of course the secret wars deadline that every comic had to meet. It should run smoother this time around.
>>77999305
>AvX
I mean Axis
>>77999262
Has Marvel successfully done a weekly title before?
Aren't they having a lot of issues with new talent being professional in terms of meeting deadlines and all that?
I love Vision, but other than that I'm not impressed by any ANAD book so far. I don't really get the love for Cho Hulk, the girls were pretty hot but that's about it. I'm not going to spend money just for cheesecake art, it's one of those books I'll pirate and then drop if the story doesn't get more interesting.
Moon Knight looks pretty promising though from what interviews I read and I'm curious what Robinson will do with the Scarlet Witch book. I like the rotating artists gimmick and I hope Wanda will get some good characterization after the whole House of M shitfest.
>>77999328
I was tempted to read Scarlet Witch but the preview didn't really grab me.
I didn't bother with Cho Hulk. Outside of She-Hulk I never liked the idea of multiple Hulks. It's the one character Marvel really injects legacy into and it's the character I feel it dilutes more than anything else. Even if it's good I just can't get into it as a concept.
>>77999359
Any link to the SW preview? Can't seem to find the lettered one.
>>77999435
I read it when it was posted here. It should be archived.
>>77999328
>I don't really get the love for Cho Hulk, the girls were pretty hot but that's about it
For a first issue it was pretty good as a lighthearted comedy starring a Hulk. It was amusing to read.
>>77999646
I found out that Scarlet Witch #1's complete lettered preview that was released last Thursday is not yet posted here, so I took the trouble of posting it: >>77999799
>>77993111
The spider books are mediocre at best, and NA is straight up trash though.
>>77999897
When Thor 2 has a higher rating than MoS, you know someone's being paid off.
>>77999317
>Has Marvel successfully done a weekly title before?
Yes sales-wise, and that title is Wolverines. However after that, Marvel apparently backed off from the weekly format for print comics because muh delays on other titles.
Is there a guide to these new Marvel thing?
>>77990017
The Visions
Karnak
The Totally Awesome Hulk
Ms Marvel
New Avengers
Hmm.. I begin to see your point
>>77999948
>>77999971
Do I discard everything I knew about the comic books I'm reading?
>>77999897
>movies
Cancer.
>>77990760
>Karnak was good
Only if you consider its not Karnak, but someone like Karnak.
man of cancer
>>77997498
Well to be fair, their image on almost every other medium doesn't help disprove that idea. Games, Movies, TV Shows, they all are pretty much what you described, because DC believes that no one else besides Batman can thrive in other mediums despite glaring evidence to the contrary, so they practically revolve their entire universe around him. As a result, everything gets dragged down with the same dark, edgy, gloomy atmosphere that Batman is notorious for, because it's the most profitable incarnation of Batman. Brave and the Bold was the last truly successful lighthearted thing DC had, while everything else was serious to a ridiculous degree. MK vs DC, the Arkham Games, Man of Steel, BvsS, Suicide Squad, Arrow/Flash (they have the facade if seriousness at least; in reality it just loops all the way back to being silly), etc. Heck, even the Lego Games are known for this, since they never had the heart to abandon the Lego Batman name throughout the while series while making Bats the poster boy for Dimensions.
Granted, there are exceptions, such as Green Lantern and TTGO!, but the former was a failure because the movie wasn't that great, and TTGO is notoriously controversial. Kids most likely are fond of it, but everyone else isn't so keen.
I feel like I kinda lost track of my train of thought writing this wall of text, so this probably comes off as rambling. But it's late, and I don't want to delete this so fuck it.
>>77999948
Just read what looks interesting, literally the only rule to comics.
>>78000070
If you go by that rule you'll never find good titles that don't look interesting.
>>77999927
uh what? I just googled it and nothing really showed up
>>78000133
the first reviews of mos on rt dropped on August 2012
>>78000119
Maybe, maybe not, but over-saturating yourself in books to make sure you don't 'miss anything' is straight up autistic and not conducive to actually enjoying the medium.
At worst you become a bitter company wars fag like the people in this thread.
>>78000150
I can't believe you actually made me check. I looked at All Critics and the earliest there was June 2013
>>78000278
I don't recall if they were critic reviews or user reviews, but there were threads about it back then.
There are screens as well, but I can't bother to find them now
>>77996305
He said almost for a reason. No one's about to claim that Squirrel Girl or Tieri's latest shit BK story are any good.
>>77997451
DC does better in trades compared to Marvel. It's telling when Marvel's highest selling trades are Squirrel Girl, Bunnpool, and Civil War reprints.
But Image outsells them both in trades.
>>78000670
That's mostly because of its budding graphic novel line. Knightfall and DKR will always have an audience because it's the first things people think of when they think of DC.
>>77997926
It's the same writer that was doing it before the sex swap, and his writing was a lot better before it happened since Aaron's at his best when he goes full METAL which he has yet to do with femThor. Also the man is literally incapable of having any subtlety in his work so all of the cancer-patient and "feminist" commentary is the most hamfisted poorly written schlock I've ever seen. Also Aaron is horrible at writing mysteries (Scalped aside) but insisted on making femThor revolve around the mystery of who she is and the mystery of what Fury said, neither of which are in any way interesting.
Art is fantastic though.
Why it's selling so absurdly high, and so much higher than the previous half of Aaron's run is beyond me. But it is, and it's definitely not because the writing quality improved.
>>77998039
>Granted they're selling at record lows for Marvel in the last few years
Have you... actually looked at the sales? Marvel is selling huge numbers.
>>77998430
>Marvel cancelled 33 comics going into ANAD.
They cancelled literally every book going into ANAD. Hence linewide relaunch.
>>77998447
This. Marvel is for casual normies. DC is for actual comic fans with taste that take high-quality storytelling over the latest SJW pandering gimmick and Le Movies.
>>78000738
>Why it's selling so absurdly high, and so much higher than the previous half of Aaron's run is beyond me
Pretty simple, bitches love controversy and /co/ and probably Reddit and some vocal parts of Twitter bitched about it for weeks when it was announced and months after that until the Jane Foster reveal. So coal was fed into the hate engine of this shittrain.
Im almost positive that 90% of both sides has never read another Thor comic in their life so honestly they can all fuck off, but atleast I have one less comic on my pull list for now.
>>78000773
>implying DC and Marvel aren't both casual
>>78000749
those are for Star Wars anon
>>78000773
Anon you read cape comics, you are patrician nothing.
>>78000849
>>78000831
Oh boy it's the indiefags. There's a difference between being a comic fan and a comic hipster.
>Marvelfags look for meme comics
>Indiefags look for obscure comics
>DCfriends look for quality storytelling with mythic characters that push the boundaries of whats possible in visual mediums
Call me when a Marvel cartoon or Walking dead game (and no the telltale stuff doesn't count as a GAME) matches anywhere near the stuff that DC is putting out.
>>77996443
Eh. Green Lantern was good.
>>77993311
>FUCKING SHILLS STOP MAKING FUN OF MUH TUMBLR PROPAGANDA REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>78000831
>>78000849
like clockwork
>>78000822
Man, it just bums me out. I really liked Aaron's God of Thunder, LOVE Dauterman's art, and the whole "war of the realms" plot could be fucking awesome. I also have no problem with Jane becoming Thor for a bit. I have a lot of fond memories of Eric Masterson's stint as Thor since that was my first Thor run that I really got into as a kid.
But the mystery of who she dragged those first 8 issues down HARD, the way Odinson was shelved was so half-assed, and Aaron's attempts at social commentary is so fucking awful that it drags all the good parts of the comic down.
If he just cuts out the social commentary, stops with the shitty mysteries, and goes all in on the war of the realms plot then it could be an amazing Thor run.
But even if he does, it'll be impossible to discuss here because all anyone wants to talk about is "hurr SJWs feminism tumblr XD." I hate that the average level of discourse on /co/ has gotten to the point where threads like this are the norm.
I wish there was a place to have proper discussion, but every forum I've checked is filled with nothing but sycophants and the worst kind of capefags who don't give a single fuck about quality and are scared to criticize anything half the time and /co/ has turned into a sub-/v/ tier pack of retards that don't even read comics in the first place but insist on having all conversations revolve around their own console warring and delusional paranoia about "shills."
>>77992796
So what you are saying is... yearly relaunches should be industry standard due to the blatant fiscal advantages?
>>78000773
Like Batgirl
>>78001163
The annual relaunch model, while good for sales, I doubt will have long-term sustainability.
The ideal way to handle it would be to relaunch when a new creative team comes on which is how Marvel NOW was handling it at first. Waid's Daredevil shouldn't have gotten relaunched just because he went to San Fran. Silver Surfer, Howard the Duck, Ant-man, Ms. Marvel... these shouldn't be getting relaunched just because of ANAD.
BUT DC should absolutely have relaunched Batgirl at 35. Most of the DCYou books should have been relaunches. Unless the new creative team is directly following up on the plotline set up by the previous creative team then they should be relaunches.
>>78001121
it's true though.
Think about if someone who only watched sci-fi films called themselves patrician, or only read fantasy novels.
One-genrefags are shit.
>>77990017
>When will the "New 52 was worse than Hitler" meme finally end?
When Disney shills stop being paid to astroturf.
So roughly the same time every Marvel movie stops getting endlessly praised and every Fox and Warner cape movie stops getting shit on every second of every day.Never
>>78001281
>nobody can honestly like what I don't like or win with crowd pleasers
Yup. Disney has to pay people to like stuff.
Why else would they like it?
>>78001121
>>78001060
Typical behaviour of edgy teenager that reads dc and listens to metal/classic rock and thinks he knows everything and is better than everyone.
Nigger,you're epidermic.
>>78000035
>not muh karnak
Of course the character is different in a different setting. It is straight up stated that he different because of the dying thing.
>>77991243
They're off with a veerrrrryyy bad start then.
And from the looks of it, they don't even see it.
>>77990017
do you know why ANAD is shit?
is because the sjw pandering
>>78001690
But so is DCYou and that's not shit at all.
>>78001736
Nice company wars, bro.
>>78001229
I take in amultitude of genres. Just not in the comic medium.
>>78001397
>projecting
>>78001453
Ellis is using the same formula he used in Moon Knight, which is horrible because Karnak is not Moon Knight.
>>78002077
>projecting
you literally do what i mentioned in your previous posts you idiot
obviously you don't even understand what projecting means
All I know is I dropped all DC after 2 years of toughing it out after 52, and have only dropped half of Marvel as of now. And the last time I went to a comic book store, the owner and one of the regulars there were talking about how neither of them read any DC either (with the regular reminiscing about how he once had to pay 100's of dollars to get his pull list because he was reading so much).
Anecdotal I know, but who the fuck is this shit pandering to?
>>78002383
What is the same about it?
>>78002442
Being written by Ellis.
>>78002383
Moon knight was episodic and played it in a detective sort of way. So far from Karnak the goal is preaching his beliefs. The overlaying thing is that he sees some new flaw in the world that caused him to quit being an adviser and focus on preaching. I'm going to need at least the next two chapters but this doesn't feel the same as moon knight to me.
>>77990017
>>77990017
It Dropped it when it went too SJW on us like whor and shit.
Marvel comics is a mess right now even more so than new 52
>>77990017
it won't end because DC fans are much more passionate than Marvel. A DC fan will gladly let you know why they quit reading. A marvel fan will just keep buying because they've endured worse and don't want to miss the next big event because those are going on all the time.
>>78002415
I listen to rap anon don't be a dumb shit.
>DC Edgy
I read fucking Gotham Academy woooo how edgy of me.
>>77990017
Well that's obvious. Anyone who denies this didn't read the New 52.
>>78002822
hey, stop pretending to be me, you filthy nigger.
>>78002423
People who don't let nostalgia decide what to buy. I liked Prez when I first read him in the Sandman, did I let that get in my way of me enjoying the current Prez? That's the problem with you old fags.
>MUH DICK GRAYSON SHOULDN'T USE GUNS
>MUH HULK SHOULDN'T BE ASIAN
>MUH BATMAN SHOULDN'T HAVE A SON
>MUH UNDERWEAR ON THE OUTSIDE
>MUH WONDER WOMAN IS CLAY
>>78002834
I'm Asian you dumb american swine.
>>78002907
gook slope chink
>>77990017
New52 being worse than hitler will stop as soon as it ceases being a reboot that threw out a metric fuckton of things that people loved about the DC universe.
All of my favorite things about the DC universe- Wally, Alan, Bart, Tim - the justice society, Black Adam- they're all gone or so changed that they're completely unrecognizable.
I do like Big Gay Al, but he's /nothing/ like grumpy old Alan in any way. NuWally is a fucking slap in the face, and I'm not talking about his race; everything that's been done with NuTim is shit.
Only thing that I like that's left is Peej, but her book is boring shit, and she's a lot less interesting without the JSA.
>>77991321
Aaron handles Dr. Strange, who likes to write witty banter but can't do it for shit. But in some reason he gets decent artists.
>>78002955
Black Adam has been ok in Sinestro
>>77990017
Aside from femthor and Littlerly The Worst Man they're alright.
>>77990017
I've liked New 52 and I'm not sorry. Is everything good? God no, but shit not everything you publish when you are one of the big two is always going to be good.
ITT: Shills outshilling each other
literally, anyone who uses "x is a blast" is a 100% shill.
>>78000706
Nah. Quite a few people have confirmed that Grayson's trades are selling pretty great, and DC themselves said a lot of DCYou titles are selling a lot better as trades.
DC's trades are more affordable, old fanfavorite runs are getting reprinted right now, and stuff is kept in circulation longer than Marvel stuff.
>>78000767
And at least 33 comics did not get relaunched. That means they were cancelled.
