Guess all that appealing to SJWs did not pay off.
>>77807794
Six bucks for an issue? Is that justifiable or not?
>>77807794
>Marvel all top ten and almost all top 20
>not working
are you blind nigga? Guardians of the Galaxy had Starlord replaced by Peter's wife and it ended in #9. It's fucking working.
>>77807864
>whoosh
>>77807828
It's a supersized issue.
>>77807864
I think OP was being sarcastic.
However, they're not wrong. The sales from ANAD were a bit softer than expected: Star Wars #1 sold 750k without Loot Crate copies (and almost 1 million with them).
Iron Man had a push that was comparably big, yet it's almost 500k down. No matter how you explain it, it's WAY lower than the 400,000 to 500,000 that /co/ and preorder sites predicted it would be at.
Keep in mind, too, that it's really just comic shops buying those copies. It's not a great look into what consumers are buying. And given that Iron Man's sales are a lot lower than expected, it seems clear that the sales will drop off very rapidly.
More than half of top ten are number ones of Marvel can get the same amount of people to buy issue two I will be impressed, but we all know next month it'll be back to normal.
>>77807794
>inbeatable squirrel girl and Harley Quinn that high
Eww
>Spider-Man 2099 at #34
>hope rides again
>>77808033
>Iron Man had a push that was comparably big,
>Star Wars almost 75 variants
>Iron Man just 21 variants
not even close dude. not even close.
>>77807794
But I don't understand. /co/ keeps telling me in every thread that SJWs don't buy comics and that pandering so hard will lead Marvel to bankruptcy.
Marvel can't keep releasing number ones forever. Oh wait they can and that's how you kill interest. Btw how many number ones has spidey had in the past eight years? I think it's six but I can't remember.
>>77807794
I Hate Fairyland seems to have gotten a lot of preorders
>>77807794
>spidergwen that high
woah
>>77808134
/co/ also keeps saying the big writers (Bendis, Slott) don't sell and that Marvel is losing money
Ironically, the books /co/ pushes are selling even worse.
>>77807993
It's still bullshit though, man.
>>77808134
Its all variants my man. Believe it or not there are ton of people who only buy variants and number ones believing they will be worth something.
Any one know where I can find the number sold of iron man 1 that does not include variants?
>>77808216
>>77808134
>/co/ being right about anything.
Honestly, you guys must be new here but /co/ is never right.
>>77808075
Marvel has held about 3/4ths of the top 15 pretty much the whole year.
>>77807794
It's not "appealing to SJWs," it's the constant relaunches and the gorillion variant covers for all of those #1's.
Marvel is going to continue re-numbering all of their series every 6 months until the end of time.
Anyone else think that the star wars comics numbers will drop after the movie?
>>77808264
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
>>77808306
no, maybe around #15 or so though
>>77808306
I don't see why it would. Star Wars hype isn't going to die for a long time with as much Disney is milking the property. Even if the new movie is terrible I can't see the book falling out of the top 10.
>>77808305
Or until they go belly up.
>>77807794
Comics are a dead medium in general, so it's pointless to count this as a victory. Only the people still buying them for decades in bulk are keeping them alive.
>>77807794
I don't care how supposedly awful those Star Wars comics are, how in the fuck are they being outsold by a delayed event miniseries whose consequences are already revealed?
>>77808334
This right here is the best disclaimer for /co/.
>>77807794
>MFW I can't see any of the books I read here
>I'm not even an Indie Fag
should I be scared /co/?
>>77807794
it seems star wars comics always sell pretty well
Are they really good?
where should I start reading them?
>>77808774
>I'm not even an Indie Fag
Sucks to be you, to be honest.
>>77808216
>if it makes money than that means it's good
Yeah, Scott Snyder is literally te greatest Batman writer. And Dan Slott is the greatest Spider-Man writer. And Bay's Transformers Age of Extinction and Avatar are the greatest movies ever Made. :^/
>>77807794
>Uncanny Shithumans that high
FUCK
>>77808852
>Are they really good?
They're pretty good.
Anywhere really, the comics are stand-alone and you don't need to read all of them to get what's going on. The best ongoing one to read is Kanan and the best short one is Lando.
>>77808921
Who are you quoting?
>>77808774
Not necessarily. It depends what you're into desu.
>>77808306
If anything, it'll get a boost after the movie comes out, regardless of its quality.
>>77808852
No, the only good one is Kanan, and it's pretty worthless if you're not watching Rebels. The rest are all mediocre as hell.
>>77807794
It didn't. This was the result of a heavily pushed relaunch. Expect Iron mans sales to be under 100,000 by issue 2
>>77808921
Pretty sure Armond White said this. Word for word, in fact.
>>77809006
This comment was meant for this >>77808957.
>>77808710
>consequences
Some people (normal, non /a/-types) like to enjoy the simple telling of a story.
>>77807794
>Star Wars, #1s, event, and Batman
Nothing new here
>>77809003
they already are. The issue 2 was published the same month and sold 60k
>>77807794
>literally a 200k drop between #1 and #2
DEAD
ON
ARRIVAL
>>77807794
>11/59 have their issue number in the double digits or higher
>3 of those are 10 or 11
Why don't you put the whole world in a TPB?
>>77808273
Guess what secret wars and star wars are half of those.
>>77808449
Do you think Star Wars is immune to the constant relaunch? All New Star Wars when?
>>77807794
>>77808096
wiat wait wait
unbeatable squirrel girl wasn't us making a joke
its real?
someone thought that was a good idea?
>>77807794
>Appealing to SJWs didn't pay off
>Spider Gwen sold TWICE the copies of Batman
Sure anon. Keep deluding yourself.
>>77807993
That's more than some of Image's trades cost.
>>77807794
>not a single DC title that does not involve Batman or Superman in the top 50
Just kill me now
>>77811368
>#1 issue
it won't last.
meanwhile batman is in mid 40s and still a high seller. numbering doesn't count for everything.
>>77811489
>muh "DC is such a poor suffering underdog" narrative
DC and Marvel *both* have sales higher than they deserve.
REMEMBER WHEN /co/ SAID WHOR WAS GOING TO FLOP AND IT PROCEEDED TO OUTSELL GOD OF THUNDER ON EVERY ISSUE
>>77809003
That already happened.
IIM #2 came out the same month and it sold 66,664.
It'll probably settle at typical Bendis numbers, so about 50k.
>>77810849
It outsold Spider-man in trades.
>>77811606
Didn't sales end up going up every issue half way through too?
I know the last issue's sales went up due to the reveal.
>>77811606
Lol no? Whor sold like shit, got cancelled at 8 issue because of its shit sales, and also had the highest drop in sales of any Thor comic of all time. I didn't save the image that explains it but I'm sure someone else has it.
>>77811676
>It'll probably settle at typical Bendis numbers, so about 50k.
That's still higher than Iron Man books ever sell.
>>77808224
This.
This guy I work with literally buys every variant Marvel puts out. He's deranged.
>>77808134
>co rambling on about SJWs
Is it a day ending in 'y'?
>>77811757
>got cancelled
no it didn't
>>77811709
Squirrel Girl tpb was vol 1 (which new readers start out with, so shops order a lot of that) and Spider-Man was like a later Slott volume.
>>77811757
>shit sales
nearly every Whor issue outsold GoT by around 10k
>>77808033
Also that implies that appealing to SJWs DID pay off but let's look at what we have.
1, 2, 3, 5 and 9 (and probably 7, I don't pay attention to the SW stuff) are heavily promoted number 1's. 4 is an event book. 6, 7 and 8 are books from the biggest franchise in existence with all of the appropriate promotion. 10 is Marvel's biggest character (despite how much they want you to think it's Iron Man, look at that huge fucking drop for #2).
Let's look at the actual SJW stuff: Squirrel Girl at 48 with 43k copies (and that's obviously going to be the book's peak and it'll plummet). Angela with 31k. And that's ignoring the "big guns" of Carol and Ms. Marvel's relaunches which, if history shows, will also fall into the mediocre (Ms. Marvel) to bad (Carol) range. Hellcat will have a "strong" debut (I'd guess in the 60k range) and will, again, plummet. I'm guessing Spider-Woman will debut around the same, Sniktbubette a little higher but I can't expect either one to maintain good sales. Thor will do well because it's Thor and for some reason normies like it but it's kind of the outlier.
I can't imagine A-Force doing anything better than medicore (past the initial first issue spike of course) either.
>>77809153
>>77811676
Of course the fallback is "but you see DIGITALLY..." because Marvel's under no obligation to release digital numbers.
>>77811757
>literal autism
Let's look back at the Thor books since 2014:
>God of Thunder:
1 - 110.4k
2 - 65.5k
3 - 55.5k
4 - 50.5k
5 - 51.8k
6 - 50.5k
7 - 51.5k
8 - 48.6k
9 - 49.1k
10 - 46.2k
11 - 45.4k
12 - 44.9k
13 - 48k
14 - 46k
15 - 41.2k
16 - 39.6k
17 - 38.9k
18 - 38.3k
19 - 42k
20 - 37.9k
21 - 38k
22 - 37k
23 - 36.5k
24 - 38.3k
25 - 53k
>Thor:
1 - 150.8k
2 - 89.1k
3 - 72.5k
4 - 69.5k
5 - 69.5k
6 - 70.5k
7 - 71.4k
8 - 86.2k
>Biggest drop
GoT #1 to #2: -40.67%
Thor #1 to #2: -40.25%
>Cancelled
No. Stop being retarded.
>>77808134
Anon, /co/ doesn't actually know anything about comics or the industry.
They're poseurs. Like /v/ and video games.
>>77807794
>SG selling more than Superman
I want to die and I say this as someone who enjoys both characters.
>>77812042
>>77811757
If you look at >>77812161, every single issue of Whor has outsold all but the first issue of God of Thunder.
Now look, I don't get it either -- Aaron's writing was much better on the first volume. But pretending like it didn't improve in sales is a blatant lie.
>>77812191
Both have appalling art and mediocre writing but SG wins by having more variant covers.
>>77812161
>GoT #1 to #2: -40.67%
>Thor #1 to #2: -40.25%
Whoops, just went back and redid the math, Thor should actually be -40.92%
So technically you're right, it did have a bigger drop, but the difference is still negligible.
Reminder: SJWs don't exist. What you claim are SJWs are just decent human beings. :^)
>>77813439
/co/mblr is out in full force today
>>77813806
Just remind them that Indivisible isn't going to get funded.
>>77812277
But JRJR is off Superman
>>77812161
You ignore that Whor's identity was revealed in 8th issue and people will rather buy instead of torrent to see who it was?
>>77815772
>It doesn't count because people only bought so they knew what happened in the story.
Great logic, anon.
Even then, it doesn't matter WHY the book was selling. At issue #8, it sold 80% more copies than God of Thunder. Stop trying to change that fact.
>>77807794
>ant-man at 22
As it should be
>>77812179
That's not true at all. /co/ actually really loves comics and has excellent taste in them.
The trouble is that /co/ is not the average comic book reader, and the average comic book reader, in fact, is a fucking moron. They're either dimwits who were drawn to comics by the movies, or they're the worst sort of Reddit-browsing, fedora-wearing shut-in who will buy literally any comic that has Batman, Spider-Man, or Wolverine. THOSE are the majority of comic book readers. They're idiots, for the most part, and Marvel has realized this. That's why Marvel is so successful.
/co/ doesn't understand the industry, but it does understand comics, and that is why it's continually depressed.
>>77816097
I'll never understand those people who refuse to try new things. Does buying Batman forever not get tiring?
>>77816073
That's still too Goddamned high for Ant-Man.
But it doesn't matter because it soon will go crashing down anyway.
>>77816276
Why will it, anon?
>>77816300
Because that is the fault of all Marvel comics.
I'd be surprised if most titles even make it past like 30 issues before a relaunch.
>>77816097
Yeah well I think everything you just said is wrong so eat a dick nigga.
>>77816097
Sad but true
>>77807794
Holy shit, DC is barely there. I haven't been following comics since Forever Evil, did Marvel finally find a new concrete fanbase or is DC just floundering? Did it get worse after dropping canon?
>>77807794
>no Invader ZIM
Goddamn it. Where are those 90's kids NOW?
Can't you dense cunts understand that quality has nothing to do with sales? Never had is any business, much less in comics with the flat out scan of Variant Covers and Relaunches. For fuck's sake, were you guys asleep during the whole 90s?
>>77816461
Floundering. DC has a bad track record for launching new books outside of Nu52. If you remember what happened after Infinite Crisis with OYL this is basically the same thing.
Every day.
>>77816597
Don't you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?
>>77816621
what?
>>77807794
Does DC have ANYTHING that makes them money that doesn't involve Batman?
>>77816665
Harley Qui..........Oh what.
>>77816558
Ironically, Marvel is doing their version of OYL and it's selling gangbusters.
>>77816719
It's debut issues though, Even OYL did okay with debut issues.
>>77816665
Justice League but even that has Batman in it.
>>77816558
DC's marketing stays shit. I don't think Convergence helped matters either.
>>77816461
DC's market share for October was it's lowest for the entire year at just under 23%, but it's average for the year slightly below 27% market share. DC usually is in the mid-20% range for market share.
>>77816097
>/co/ actually really loves comics and has excellent taste in them.
Daily Reminder that /co/ voted that Forever Evil was the Best Graphic Novel of the Year
Best
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(Never forget!)
>>77816097
You forgot to say that like more 50% of /co/ users don't read or care about comics.
>>77816906
I cry every time.
>>77816906
Forever Evil was pretty damn good for a cape event, and I personally never vote for this stupid shit, like most of the board I presume. Though either way, of course /co/ still consists mostly of cape book Big Two shitters and shiteaters, but when you compare it to places like Reddit and ComicVine it's fucking night and day.
>>77808216
>/co/ also keeps saying the big writers (Bendis, Slott) don't sell and that Marvel is losing money
Nigger what? Everytime there's even a mention of Bendis it's followed with "marvels best seller" he has copypastas dedicated to him being the best serller too.
>>77817035
Bendis?
>>77808216
No one ever says that. They all say their shit writers who should be canned. Casuals who don't care love them for whatever reason because they had a few decent runs and follow writers because they can't keep up with follow the entire universe. They don't care about how bendis and slott mess up all the characters they use for no reason. Or introduce pointless ones they just want to read something for a few minutes.
>>77817041
Y'know, bendis, the writer
>>77817064
>Casuals follow writers
What, fuck no, casuals read characters. There are people who are not casuals who just have shit taste. Bendisfags exist. Mcnivenfags exist. I shit you not Tom Brevoort claims Mcniven is one of the few artists who actually drives up sales with his appearance in the book
>>77817064
>superhero fanatic calling other readers "casuals"
lol
>character-follower calling creator-followers "casuals"
LOL
>>77808134
Mate, do you not notice the amount of #1s? They sell, and they make up for lack of sales later on. In a couple months we'll be getting new #1s and they'll be top sellers once again. Rinse and repeat, and Marvel has a system to get out as much money from their battered housewives. It's not about sjws or regular fans, its about milking money from the retarded as fuck resellers and collectors.
>>77817123
>>77808134
Considering that this style of sales is what nearly bankrupted the comic book world before, it may backfire in the long run.
>>77817161
Yeah It'll be a few years though. A new batch of retards have cropped up willing to buy the unnecessary issues multiple times not even realize their comics are never going to be worth nearly the amount of action comics 1 or 2 or which ever ones are millions of dollars.
>>77807794
>All these #1s selling well just because they're #1s
>Sales still declining universally
I feel bad for the comic industry. The only people buying it are these hipsters in San Francisco, collectors who are collecting mass produced print, and Star Wars fans
>>77817161
Nah, thanks to social media, it will last. Don't forget Marvels other business model: rage sells. Just make up some bullshit on twitter or facebook about how those "silly nerdboys" are mad that someone is now gay or a women. It doesn't even need to be legitimate, just toss it out there, and people will run with it. Toss in a few interviews, and your good to go for that easy money.
>>77817192
>>Sales still declining universally
The direct market had a 4.57% rise in overall units sold in 2011 over 2010.
The direct market had a 11.41% rise in overall units sold in 2012 for over 2011.
The direct market had a 6.7% rise in overall units sold in 2013 over 2012.
The direct market had a .25% rise in overall units sold in 2014 over 2013.
>>77807794
goddamn marvel is fucking destroying dc
>>77817076
the writer?
>>77817525
The writer. The Bendis.
>>77817232
>Don't forget Marvels other business model: rage sells.
Which ones are actually selling based on rage though? Slott's Spider-Man maybe but I don't think Avengers Arena or whatever it was called sold that well. And X-Men still had declines while Bendis was on it.
>>77816353
>30 issues
NIGGA! Currently every marvel book relaunches after 12 issues. Even the best selling stuff. Marvel hates any number that isn't #1
> 43155 individuals spent money on Squirrel Girl
>>77817651
43,155 copies of Squirrel Girl were ordered by various comic shops.
>>77817651
actually it's the number of copies that were ordered by LCS in the whole big ole USA.
The #2 issue sales will have a better representation of how many people actually buy it.
>>77817682
>The #2 issue sales will have a better representation of how many people actually buy it.
Nah, more like #2-5. You can see if it stays consistent (like, it loses maybe less than 10,000) or dropping like a rock (has like huge, huge drops between issues)
>>77817710
You are correct, what can I say?
>>77817673
but how many sold?
>>77817682
3 or 4 is probably the earliest you should assuming numbers. I'd go with 8th issue myself as it corrects for the people who just stuck around until the first arc is over.
>>77817648
I may have been too generous there to assume they would let some books like Spider-Man go on into the double digits until a relaunch possibly but my point stands that their books not involving their mainstay sellers always drop like a rock.
>>77817673
Oh, I see. That makes more sense.
>>77816906
>>77816977
Stay salty.
>>77817651
>>77817673
>>77817682
>>77817710
Previous series' run:
01/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #1 - 41,693
02/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #2 – 24,621 (-40.9%)
03/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #3 – 26,586 ( +8.0%)
04/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #4 – 20,987 (-21.1%)
05/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #5 – 20,088 (- 4.3%)
06/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #6 – 19,341 (- 3.7%)
07/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #7 – 19,801 (+ 2.4%)
08/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #8 - 19,134 (- 3.4%)
Ignoring the first issue (since retailers usually order heavy on first issues) the drops between issues are not that bad. But it's around the 20,000 level so if things don't pick up with this reboot then it could be in danger.
>>77817728
Unknown unless you feel like doing market research on every single comic shop. We also can't determine digital sales, only roughly gauge interest based on top seller lists.
>>77817743
A lot of other people sometimes don't know that the charts are estimates for retailer orders and not customer purchases. Retailers have to play a big guessing game for ordering #1s, because many customers that want to start reading a book start with the first issue. Same thing with TPBs, which is why the recent Squirrel Girl TPB vol 1 had more orders than a new yet later-numbered Spider-Man TPB.
>>77811575
>Le corporate Boogeyman
>>77816906
And it was, stop being an idiot anon. Give me an event that year that was actually better. Original Sin? Shit, AXIS? Passable, Age of Ultron? Double Shit
>>77811368
>A-Force aka All female Avengers is on issue #5 and sitting at 50
>Captain America Sam Wilson #1 sits at 31 and issue #2 sits at 52.
Uhhh...you sure about that, buddy?
>>77817781
Wow this makes Marvel even shittier (I don't know if DC is doing this too?) with the constant rebooting new series. They're fucking retailers over big time aren't they?
>>77818007
No, DC actually should have renumbered some of their books but didn't.
>>77807794
>Marvel DC Marvel DC Marvel DC Marvel DC
>superheroes superheroes Start Wars superheroes
wow
>>77818228
Yeah American kids have zero fucking taste
>>77808852
Darth Vader is good despite art
Star Wars is offensively bad and artists won't save it.
Mini-series are from mediocre to okay. If you like writer, might check his take on character and universe, or if you like character.
Kanaan reqires Rebels.
>>77818016
Which ones?
>>77807794
>less than 300 million a year market
Jesus fuck, that's even less than the Franco-Belgian comics market (400+mil in 2014).
>/co/ has regular piracy threads on here every day where they read the new issues of books they like for free
>Get buttmad when the books they like aren't on best seller lists
Not even baiting, but is the comic book reading part of /co/ as a whole, literally retarded? Honest question.
>>77817746
That was sarcasm, dipshit.
>>77818016
I'm actually kind of glad they didn't.
>>77818448
No, just entitled and delusional.
>>77817064
>casuals follow writers
Other way around, buckaroo.
>>77817064
they are also the ones spending money on comic stores instead of waiting for the storytime.
>>77816557
No one - literally no one - has argued otherwise. Stop straw manning.
>>77817622
every book has declines, the thing is when it stabilizes and Bendis X-Men stabilized at one healthy point.
>>77808562
This is actually not true. Selling 50k units physical product a month is pretty good.
Obviously the comics market has shrunk, but there are so many competing entertainment mediums that are far more accessible, and these numbers are only for single issues through Diamond, which isn't really the whole story anymore.
I would say that comics have become sustainable in the modern market.
>>77807794
Is Vision not on this top or he sold that bad he isn't high enough?
>>77819902
That is October's sales and vision came out in November .
>>77819902
No, he's not on it because his book didn't come out until November. These are October sales.
>>77808305
>>77808547
Marvel will never truly go belly up since Disney owns them, but they are inflating a bubble that is going to pop. We saw this exact same shit in the 90s with the collectors' market bubble, and they're trying to do it all over again. They keep releasing new #1 issues and varient covers because "they're valuable," and in a few years they will be worth less than they were at retail because they're selling so many.
It will be just like what happened with Death of Superman-- everyone is buying it on the promise that it will be valuable someday, and are inadvertently making it less valuable. As soon as buyers figure out how worthless new #1s and variant covers are, they will stop buying them, and then Marvel's entire market share implodes on itself.
All that Marvel's bean counters care about is that everyone always buys new #1s and variant covers, so all they have to do is keep re-numbering and releasing the same books with different covers, and they will be set forever. It's completely artificial and it's not going to last.
>>77819930
Marvel wants to kill the market in order to murder DC. If Civil War grosses more than Dawn of Justice Warner just won't see much value in keeping DC around once the comic market dies. It's win-win situation, RIP.
>>77811368
SJWs were hating on spider gwen you retard.
>>77819970
I guess it's do-or-die time. However, there's one thing to consider: everyone has already seen Captain America and Iron Man in the same movie. No-one has seen Batman and Superman together in a movie-- twice in fact. That is something that could potentially be in Warner Bros.' favor.
And as Mocking Jay showed us, later installments in successful franchises are not guaranteed by birthright to be as successful as previous installments. That might be in part because Mocking Jay should not have been split into two parts, but the point remains. People have already seen two Avengers movie, and Captain America 3 is essentially Avengers-lite.
>>77819970
>Marvel wants to kill the market in order to murder DC
No? Marvel and relies on DC to vet creatives. Ever notice how many times a new writer that DC got will quickly get picked up by Marvel once they've had some success there?
>>77813439
>decent human beings
>"beating your husband to help a 'sister' out is cool, because feminism"
>"women are objectively better at everythimg"
>"we need to justify us being shitty humam beings with muh opression"
Ok anon, I'll go back to being a third world brown faggot.
>>77820048
>replying seriously to someone that ends their thread with :^)
>getting triggered 10 hours lateg
>>77807794
And how many of those comics actually pandered?
I'd dare say most of them are simply bad.
>>77817161
Not really, the comic world already died. It's as niche as it's gets. it has, what? 1 million buyers at best, form a pop of more than 100 mill?
It's dead jim. Marvel and DC practically gave up in encouraging a healthy industry and only care about milking off the remainder cows until it dies.
Like that DC guy said, "we sell comics to 45 years olds"
>>77820107
>And how many of those comics actually pandered?
It's Marvel so all of them.
>>77818845
>entitled
apparently it's bad to expect good writing in comics.
>>77821355
It's not, but it is bad to exclusively pirate (and many times look down on anyone that doesn't pirate) yet feel like the comic industry should cater to your interests rather than those of the people that actually support and buy comics.
How many people that bitched about Omega Men getting prematurely cancelled were actually pulling it? How many will bitch about Vision having low sales despite only reading it in storytimes?
>>77819970
>If Civil War grosses more than Dawn of Justice Warner just won't see much value in keeping DC around once the comic market dies.
But what about once the Comic book movie market dies, then what?
Ultron already made less than Avenger 1. We are witnessing a bubble in that maket as well and it's about to burst, and I would say that as soon as those movies stop selling gangbusters, the Mouse is going to squeeze Marvel like a fruit a leave the rest to die.
DC might survive due to stuff like the MKX comic, or Injustice comic that actually sold pretty well despite sone bad word of mouth.
>>77821355
it's bad to believe writers have to use your favorite characters and do just what you want with them. that's what /co/ wants, they couldn't care less about good writing.
>>77807794
>Unbeatable Squirrel Girl sells more than Batman/Superman
I don't have a reaction image that conveys how hard I'm laughing. How the fuck does something like that even happen?
>>77822100
It happens when very few people are willing to pay for a copy of Batman/Superman.
>>77807794
>Chewbacca comic sells more than Batman
Really? A fucking comic of a meaningless yeti side character that did nothing and said nothing?
What the fuck is wrong with Star Wars fans?
>>77811429
Image pushes all the back-office costs onto the creative teams. Classic outsourcing - they say they're paying more and they charge less to consumers but they're still fucking over the people they rely on for production. Consumers naturally don't bother to think about how the real costs of production are apportioned.
So you end up with the concentration of a few very successful creatives over time, because nobody else can afford to do it for long. Of course, that's true in comics generally - the money they pay artists is piss compared to the money they could be getting (assuming they have the skills) in advertising or any other field that requires freelance graphics and concept work. That's why so many of them, even the big names, are basically tracers or half-ass most of their work.
>>77808221
Well if you would buy more of the things they get advertising in-issue for, they would be able to charge the advertisers more and the cost of the issues would go down. Sure, you could think of it as a corporate-imposed taxation, but it's how the fucking economy works. It's not going to change just because you sit there saying your funny pages ain't freeman on the land enough for you.
>>77822233
Why should Batman be a high-seller? You think his next story will be any less of a lame snoozefest than his last story?
What's wrong with superhero fans?
>>77822233
>What the fuck is wrong with Star Wars fans?
Same thing that's wrong with Batman fans, except there are more Star Wars fans willing to spend money.
>>77822331
At least Batman is a character. Chewbacca is a pet. A Chewbacca comic should sell like five copies, all of them bought by the writer.
>>77818362
Catwoman, Superman, and Batman.
>>77807794
They are all relaunches
>>77822100
How many variants did USQ have?
>>77819970
>If Civil War grosses more than Dawn of Justice Warner just won't see much value in keeping DC around once the comic market dies.
Just because a movie isn't as successful as a competitor's movie doesn't mean it's a failure or that it will kill a franchise.
>>77821573
First it was the comic book movie fad, fifteen years later it's the bubble. Looking over all the comic book movies for the next few years the most comic movies scheduled for a single year is six. For comparison there will be 11 movies with a wide release in December. It's not like Westerns where they can be churned out cheap and fast.
>>77819210
>every book has declines, the thing is when it stabilizes and Bendis X-Men stabilized at one healthy point.
Yeah but Fraction's X-Men sold better than Bendis' and that was what, six years ago?
>>77819970
Nigga batman alone outgrosses marvel in terms of merch.
Do you really think warner would be stupid enough to give that up?
>>77822969
I know that had the rap variant, kirby monster variant, and I think cosplayer variant.
>>77823730
long enough, the industry is not exactly getting bigger
>>77819210
Actually let's go into this further
>every book has declines
This is true. On the other hand however, let's compare books from six years ago.
Here's Uncanny X-Men's sales from 2/2009 to 10/2009:
02/09 Uncanny X-Men #506 - 71,684 (-12.9%)
03/09 Uncanny X-Men #507 - 77,957 ( +8.8%)
04/09 Uncanny X-Men #508 - 76,442 ( -1.9%)
04/09 Uncanny X-Men #509 - 69,185 ( -9.5%)
05/09 Uncanny X-Men #510 - 75,139 ( +8.6%)
06/09 Uncanny X-Men #511 - 71,148 ( -5.3%)
06/09 Uncanny X-Men #512 - 76,283 ( +7.2%)
07/09 Uncanny X-Men #513 - 87,582 (+14.8%)
08/09 Uncanny X-Men #514 - 90,316 ( +3.1%)
09/09 Uncanny X-Men #515 - 73,585 (-18.5%)
10/09 Uncanny X-Men #516 - 73,916 ( +0.4%)
I also took a quick look at other years, the lowest Fraction and Gillen's comics ever went was around the 50,000's. Bendis' Uncanny relaunch got to the 50,000's by the sixteenth issue.
And here's Uncanny X-Men's sales from 7/2014 to 4/2015:
07/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #24 - 53,677 ( 5.7%)
09/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #25 - 58,062 ( 8.2%)
09/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #26 - 51,862 (-10.7%)
10/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #27 - 57,908 ( 11.7%)
11/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #28 - 55,939 ( -3.4%)
12/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #29 - 53,502 ( -4.4%)
01/15 Uncanny X-Men v3 #30 - 48,824 (-8.7%)
02/15 Uncanny X-Men v3 #31 - 46,993 (-3.8%)
03/15 Uncanny X-Men v3 #32 - 49,639 (+5.6%)
04/15 Uncanny X-Men v3 #33 - 49,278 (-0.7%)
>>77822827
What changed that warrants a renumber?
>>77822524
>literally knows nothing about the comic
>>77807794
i hope it plummets even further
>>77824411
What does? All the non-SJW pandering books? Because the OP was being sarcastic. Take a look at the image, Marvel is killing it.
>>77824036
And if you want to take things further, here's Action Comics' sales from 1/2009 to 1/2010:
01/2009: Action Comics #873 -- 51,940 (- 9.2%)
02/2009: Action Comics #874 -- 48,360 (- 6.9%)
03/2009: Action Comics #875 -- 47,079 (- 2.7%)
04/2009: Action Comics #876 -- 43,368 (- 7.9%)
05/2009: Action Comics #877 -- 41,772 (- 3.7%)
06/2009: Action Comics #878 -- 40,011 (- 4.2%)
07/2009: Action Comics #879 -- 38,324 (- 4.2%)
08/2009: Action Comics #880 -- 37,588 (- 1.9%)
09/2009: Action Comics #881 -- 36,183 (- 3.7%)
10/2009: Action Comics #882 -- 34,754 (- 4.0%)
11/2009: Action Comics #883 -- 33,386 (- 3.9%)
12/2009: Action Comics #884 -- 31,873 (- 4.5%)
01/2010: Action Comics #885 -- 30,678 (- 3.8%)
And here's Action Comics from 10/2014 to 10/2015:
10/2014: Action Comics #35 -- 45,152 (- 39.4%)
11/2014: Action Comics #36 -- 41,835 (- 7.3%)
12/2014: Action Comics #37 -- 39,168 (- 6.4%)
01/2015: Action Comics #38 -- 35,018 (- 10.6%)
02/2015: Action Comics #39 -- 38,070 (+ 8.7%)
03/2015: Action Comics #40 -- 38,216 (+ 0.4%)
06/2015: Action Comics #41 -- 44,083 (+ 15.4%)
07/2015: Action Comics #42 -- 37,956 (- 13.9%)
08/2015: Action Comics #43 -- 41,883 (+ 10.3%)
09/2015: Action Comics #44 -- 37,927 (- 9.4%)
10/2015: Action Comics #45 -- 36,560 (- 3.6%)
>>77811779
>That's still higher than Iron Man books ever sell.
Well since Bendis' sales so far is:
Invincible Iron Man #1 - 279,514
Invincible Iron Man #2 - 66,664
Sure. The first issue really did far, far better than any other Iron Man launch it at least the last decade (highest I recall was Ultimate Iron Man by Orson Scott Card)
But here's the sales for Fraction's Invincible Iron Man early on:
05/08 Invincible Iron Man #1 - 120,657
06/08 Invincible Iron Man #2 - 76,001 (-37.0%)
07/08 Invincible Iron Man #3 - 66,430 (-12.6%)
08/08 Invincible Iron Man #4 - 58,154 (-12.5%)
Gillen's Iron Man:
11/12 Iron Man v6 #1 - 116,529 (+215.1%)
11/12 Iron Man v6 #2 - 72,902 ( -37.4%)
12/12 Iron Man v6 #3 - 59,041 ( -19.0%)
12/12 Iron Man v6 #4 - 56,708 ( -4.0%)
01/13 Iron Man v6 #5 - 50,899 ( -10.2%)
Taylor's Superior Iron Man:
11/14 Sup. Iron Man #1 - 83,994 ( 199.7%)
11/14 Sup. Iron Man #2 - 42,621 ( -49.3%)
12/14 Sup. Iron Man #3 - 38,806 ( -9.0%)
01/15 Sup. Iron Man #4 – 38,515 ( -0,7%)
02/15 Sup. Iron Man #5 – 35,094 ( -8.9%)
Bendis' second issue had better sales than Superior Iron Man but not quite near Fraction and Gillen's level. But again it's still a little early to tell, what's the general consensus on Bendis' Iron Man outside of /co/?
>>77824477
they literally are KILLING. comic book market
>>77826082
surprisingly, still no one cares about Iron Man
/co/ is the only folks who really discussed the book
>>77826746
not to mention that the drop is over 70%, which is a spectacular drop, but then again, remember that Rocket Raccoon also had first issue sell enormously, only to drop to 30k
>>77807794
>entire month
>#1 Comic only pulls in just over 279,000
>one week
>#3 Manga gets 354,022
can someone explain this to me?
>>77824152
Dunno about Catwoman but Supes lost his powers and his identity got revealed and Bruce lost his memory and Gordon went under the mantle as the Bat.
>>77822827
Batman didn't really need to renumber though, its sales are not that bad.
>>77807794
Hang on!!! What kind of fucked up twilight zone is this? No Batman books in the top ten?
>>77827099
It's what happens when you have a relaunch month plus Star Wars
>>77826968
Mangas are cheaper.
>>77826968
Manga are like a dollar in a country with way more access and disposable income.
