Is anyone disappointed that Sugar decided to restyle the show after the pilot? I followed her art for awhile and really loved her style from Pug Davis and her Singles short, and when I saw the SU pilot years back and they had translated that style into animation, I was excited and thought it was going to break the mold into the Adventure Time/Regular Show style that really dominates CN right now.
But then she went ahead and stylized them all to the point where characters now make boring anime-esque faces (The worst being when Peridot made a :3 face). I was hyped, thought we would see some of Sugar's art on TV, did the industry really streamline her art that bad? I barely see her draw the way she used to on her Tumblr.
>>77742455
>a shitty show shits shitty shit
Shit a shitty shit, shitter
>>77742455
Only read the first sentence, new style is easier to animate.
No, I prefer the more exaggerated and colorful character designs. The pilot was kind of ugly. Also Steven looks like a fat, middle-aged midget in it.
>>77742593
Because Americans really care how hard Koreans have to work at animating a difficult design.
>>77742641
The harder to animate the longer it takes. The longer of a project the more money that has to be payed
>>77742638
It looks way better post pilot
The pilot looked creepy
>>77742455
eh.. i like some of the old designs better, i like other of the changed designs better.. sometimes it's aspects of one and something else of another. old pearl is less ugly but the hair simply will not do.. old amethyst was less obese but had weird skull nostrils..
![bf18d29e9c88840a99132146e43ffd14[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KEBADn9.jpg "bf18d29e9c88840a99132146e43ffd14[1].jpg")
>>77743079
If the pilot had stuck to the original designs that she put out on her poster, then it'd look a lot better
especially since steven was designed to be a short fat man
>>77743079
Garnet looks creepy in that pilot shot.
The rest look fine.
>>77742455
It looks bad
>>77743316
Everybody but Steven looks better there
Sure doesn't look 10 or whatever he's supposed to be.
>>77743079
I like androgypearl better but everything else is fine post pilot
>>77743395
>>77743316
>no hips Garnet
>better
>>77743420
That hair tho
>>77742455
>Is anyone disappointed that Sugar decided to restyle
No.
>>77742455
No, not really. Besides Garnet everyone looked sickly and deformed. Toning down her grotesque style is probably the best thing she could do for the show, both in terms of animation and general design.
>>77742455
It's a kids show
>>77742455
The pilot designs were ugly as fuck, though.
The show is supposed to have storyboarders besides Sugar in it. Can you imagine everyone purposefully trying to ape her style? I love it but it's so easy to make ugly in an unappealing way instead of ugly in an appealing way.
>>77742455
Except for Pearl's design I prefer the look of the pilot. Perhaps only because I think the show proper is hella ugly.
Also I liked the more serious tone. It was obviously a Sugar product and the show is almost like a parody of that style.
I wish Sugar storyboarded every episode of SU with other people advising her on story. Not the other way around.
>>77743996
You could do it in the past when the standards for storyboarders weren't lax as fuck. You go off model and you're fired. Apparently that's a bad thing now so Sugar's artstyle went down the toilet.
>>77744100
Wanting to encourage everyone to incorporate some of their own style into a show is a perfectly valid philosophy.
>>77742455
I would've watched it if it looked like this, so yeah.
>>77744153
Personally, I prefer when a creator puts more pressure on their direction to actually make it feel like "their vision". The way SU is now, it feels like Ian JQ is the creator with Sugar as an assistant rather than the reverse.
>>77744153
I think it's inappropriate in a show with a lot of drama like SU. It's distracting. SU should've been Sugar's style and nothing else.
Adventure Time accommodates the big differences in storyboarder style a little better, bu I want non-sloppy art more than muh individual expression.
At first I was mad that they changed the style because the original had a lot more details and was more visually interesting. But honestly with the mood of the show we got I don't really see how the pilot designs would work for some of the episodes.
>>77742455
It was simplified and streamlined to make it cheaper to produce, quicker to produce, and allows them to subsequently animate more action. It's a necessary evil.
>>77742455
I prefer the redesigns. They're simpler, more colorful, and I dunno, just more pleasing to look at. To me anyway.
>>77743316
I think the poster actually post dates the pilot (amethyst's clothes are closer to the final design)
>>77742455
In my humble opinion:
Pilot Amethyst > Current Amethyst (I know that she is the character that changed the least, but the one I liked the most in the pilot, for me she looked perfect).
Pilot Garnet > Current Garnet (Except her gauntlets, her current Gauntlets are awesome).
Pilot Pearl = Current Pearl (I love her, but she needs a re-design, maybe a middle point).
Pilot Steven < Current Steven (Pilot Steven looked like a manchild, an old guy acting like a kid, now he looks like a kid who acts like a kid, and thats cute).
Pilot Temple < Current Temple (The current temple is awesome).
The rest could have gone with only minor tweaking, but Garnet isn't Garnet without the cubefro.
>>77744418
>Garnet isn't Garnet without the cubefro.
I don't know if I like the cubefro.
While the original look has something charming about it, I think the very "Tartakovsky without the stupid close ups" look was a good fit.
>>77742455
Garnet and Amethyst looked fine in the pilot, although is weird looking at pilot Garnet now and not see that blocky afro.
Pearl looks like a dykeeven though she is one but whatever, I just really like Pearl show designand Steven looks like middle aged man instead of a child.
>>77742455
I think a lot of design changes made to the new style were made for the better, so it's hard to say that I'm disappointed. Garnet and Pearl have vastly superior designs in the series. That said, the pilot has some really interesting colors and it would be nice if we saw that in the actual show.
>>77744493
>One of the most talented artists at CN gets the chance to make a show
>Ends up having something as uninspired as chibis in the show
Disgusting.
>>77743316
I think the style in this poster would have been a great compromise. Pearl still needs her outfit from the series and her nose, and Garnet needs the cubefro. Steven having a neck in the pilot doesn't work for me.
>>77742455
The redesigns are more kid-friendly, softer shapes and colors and shading. Sure, I like the pilot style better, too, but I'm not going to hate on her for making it more appealing to children, when it's a children's show, on a children's network, in a children's time slot. The current style is perfect for a children's show.
>>77744567
Chibis aren't in the show, at least they haven't been yet. That GIF is from the shorts, which use a chibi art style.
>>77744605
>implying the content is child-friendly
I think Brianne Drouhard mentions something like this, how with Amethyst it was a pain animating hair the more volume. So that can be part of the reason for the simpler style, where artists like Lauren Zuke draw hair in a big mane that doesn't move much.
>>77744628
>implying it's not
>muh lesbian space rocks undermining the sanctity of marriage
>>77744609
The shorts still count. It would be really off-putting if Adult Swim released small shorts of Rick & Morty or Venture Brothers and they were done in a chibi style unironically.
>>77743079
I don't like the show, but the new designs are better
They're simpler and contrast better with each other while still being cohesive (though I don't like the cube hair, but I dislike the down hair even more)
>>77744693
Rick & Morty not so much
No.
>>77744693
I don't think anything that venture bros or rick and morty can or would do could be without irony
honestly i always thought the original designs were shit and if they'd kept them i probably wouldn't have watched the show
>>77744153
>giving a shit about how some chump right out of art school draws the character in their own crappy style
Sugar made them and has a much better artsyle, who gives a shit if it's squashing their artistic expression waaah.
They can go shit up Adventure Time even more if they want to do that.
>>77742455
I would've liked post pilot designs with pilot art style with the pilot designs used for different characters of the same gem type (if we ever see them leave Earth that is)
>>77743316
yeah that is the best designcompromise
Her designs, in general, aren't exactly pleasing to the eye. It was a good idea to redesign the characters and brighten up the colors.
>>77744693
I don't think the tone of those three shows are really comparable.
I hate garnet's afro.
There i said it. It's unaesthetic as fuck.
>new designs are first shown
>vast majority hates them and wants the originals back
>fast forward to now
>vast majority loves them and never liked the originals
Classic fickle /co/. People here can be easily persuaded to change their mind about anything.
>>77746747
That's true of most people.
You think about something or just exist with it for a while and you end up realizing it's not so bad and eventually you swing around to liking it.
And I seem to recall everyone being horrified of David Bowie Pearl when the pilot first aired so that didn't seem to have changed.
>>77746747
>these designs are shit
the show premieres
>these new designs are worse than the old ones
yes
heading down a steep hill into a valley of shit has made us "fickle"
>>77746747
I've hated them the whole time, what do I win.
>>77746747
I hate you, anon.
>>77746675
Just because straight hair with flat bangs is the best hair style of all time doesn't mean the cube afro isn't perfect from an animation and character design standpoint.
>>77746891
you mean lack of animation and character designs so stripped down there's nothing to animate?
damn I miss real flowing hair and clothes from the pilot. ANIME CAN DO IT WHY CAN'T YOU???
>>77742455
...nope, not disappointed at all.
no honestly they all look like shit save amy
>>77742455
The only way the show could possibly be more tumblr was if they kept those hideous designs.
>>77747099
Epic tumblr meming, fellow poster.
>>77744327
I've always wanted to see what the Homeworld gems would have looked like.
>>77742455
I like this design of Garnet.
>>77747305
>bueno
>>77747305
All of the Gem's skin matches the color of their gemstone though.
>>77742455
The show somehow looks like it'd be harder to animate, and something about this just reeks of shitty 90s animation. Daria animation. I'm okay with the redesigns.
>>77747371
But, Anon, that shade of Garnet is real.
>>77742593
>easier
It's cheaper. And ultimately that's all that matters in western animation.
>>77743591
>Sickly and deformes
How so?
>>77742455
it is a big problem in the modern western animation that everyone 'streamlines' until it's bland crap. read some of John K's stuff about the ripping friends and you can get a good picture of whats happening. basically he would send key frames into a studio to have them animate a few scene and they would re-draw the frames he sent in to tone down the style, which was terrible for him because he was selling his over the top style. he even flew in and did a breakdown of what he wanted and how he wanted them to treat his show (the show he was paying them to animate) to try and get them on the same page as him. and they still kept streamlining and re-drawing his frames till it was all bubbly uninspired crap. there is probably an element of that with SU her frames or boards get sent along in the pipeline and someone else "pluses" it by smoothing everything out and making everything more standard and bland.
in my mind it's a too many cooks problem. everyone wants to leave a mark or justify their spot in the pipeline and change something. often just for the sake of changing something, not because it was necessary.
>>77744153
I like how much freedom the boarders have in SU. It causes some awkwardness sometimes but overall makes the characters feel really expressive and not too stiff.
Damn, I wish the production I'm animating on was like that. Fucking pixar concept art wannabe geometric super stiff designs....
It would cost a heck of a lot of money to keep all the detail of Rebecca's style. Lines, lines everywhere. Couldn't be worse than 1000-layers-of-shading 80's anime though.
>>77742455
This is what has to happen if you want some huge multi-season cartoon. The original pilot was Sugar at her absolute best, to have a pilot to show off to producers to go "This is what I can do and this is what you want on the air", and then you have to compromise and bargain your way down to a comfortable medium that's affordable and easy to work with.
Like, of course something that detailed would be great, but money is money, and I'm glad her vision is being realized with a minimum of that usual compromise.
Plus honestly, as much as I loved the colors and Amethyst in the original, I like the new Pearl and Garnet more. Except for Pearl's nose. Works for the show, but I liked the flatnose look more.
>>77742455
God no, the original art style was grody as hell. Say what you will about the show, I'd prefer the modern look over the pilot any day.
>>77746968
Because anime is more about extreme line detail as opposed to stuff moving.
How the fuck do you think Yugioh managed to not change the characters' hairstyles?
>>77742455
I love pilot Amethyst. I hate 1st gen show Pearl because the tutu is fucking retarded, but 2nd gen is near perfect. Though I do like the dyke hair and less extreme nose.
I know everyone complains about Garnet's cubefro, but... I like it? But I do kinda wish she was less geometric and a little more organic. Especially the extreme waist-to-hip ratio, weirds me out.
>>77742455
Of course I was, but I understand why she did it. Animation is a collaborative process, and she's not the only one who's going to draw the characters. She needs to use designs that other people can play with and won't be hard to animate.
>>77742455
I honestly fucking hate the pilot's artwork and designs. I'll take the current one any day, the pilot was just too damn ugly.
The pilot was ugly, lumpy filth
>>77743203
Old Pearl was ugly as fuck.
>>77747429
Well yeah, studios are businesses not welfare for artists
Eh, the show's designs are better and give the characters some more personality
>>77747429
And yet, most western cartoons are able to actually keep a consistent animation budget as opposed to anime
>>77744693
>Rick & Morty or Venture Brothers and they were done in a chibi style unironically.
Well, they DID have TinyRick, so ChibiRick wouldn't be too much a stretch.
Which one /co/?
>>77747429
At least western cartoons have proper articulation and consistent animation quality.
Not to mention stylized art.
>>77746675
lady gaga garnet with her current hips would be perfect
>>77744589
>Pearl still needs her outfit from the series and her nose
naaah
>>77751087
2nd.
>>77751012
and now SU has TinyPeridot, so they're even
I agree with OP, the former designs had their unique personality and look, and I would argue that even the animation was slightly better.
However, I can also understand the reasons why they rooted for a simpler look and appeal, which comes down to budget and reliability.
>>77743395
The new designs are better because they convey character and personality better. Garnet having a huge afro gives her more presence, Pearl's nose makes her seem sharper, etc.
>>77746675
It fits her character better. It gives her more of a presence. It balances well with her fists and legs, making her seem taller and buffer.
>>77751890
>>77752126
Pearl in a dress is very hot!
The pilot designs are garbage, especially Garnet
>no hips
>no fro
Anyone who prefers pilot Garnet is a filthy pleb
>>77752126
Why not just morph into her and fap
>>77742455
The old style looks disturbing in some way, it reminds me of The Problem Solverz.
>>77742641
When I was a kid I always cringed when I saw this shit. It scared me to heck and disgusted me.
>>77743079
Stevie wonder garnet we hardly knew thee
jasper
The pilot designs were uncanny as fuck.
>>77752426
seems they recycled the color palette and haircut for Malachite in some kind of way.
>>77744479
Sym-Bionic Titan's character designs were the worst in how diverse they were. How many fucking characters look like they came from completely different shows?
>>77742593
Why would americans care how easy it is
They don't even do any animating. Its all storyboarding and pre-production work here. All the other stuff is done by asians that do all the hard work.
>>77742455
Amethyst's design in the pilot gave me Groke vibes for some reason.
>>77747371
Rose does not.
>>77752553
Are you retarded? Harder to animate = more man hours = more money out of CN's pockets
Time is money anon
>>77751757
>it's a "western cartoons have good art/quality" post
>it's always GF backdrops/parts from the opening
Any other example or is that all ya got?
>>77752553
>They don't even do any animating
Joe Johnston disagrees.
>>77742455
i'm satisfied with what we got.
I liked the level of detail they put into the pilot backgrounds, felt late 90s as fuck. The character designs were all pretty crap except for Amethyst.
>>77753879
He felt okay with animating one action scene, but that's not really close to animating one entire episode.
>>77753879
I wish their fight scenes weren't so floaty and impact-less. You'd think a bunch of weebs would be able to do a good fight but the only one I particularly liked was Ocean Gem.
>>77754343
I hear this a lot when talking about SU fight scenes. What feels floaty about this? Pearl is suppose to be light on her feet. Amy feels slower than Pearl, as she should, The whip has a nice CRACK feel to it. I just kind of want to understand it better cause I would like to get into animation, too, and this feels fine to me. How is it any more floaty than Tarzan sliding down tree vines effortlessly?
>>77752409
This. Though for me, not so much Rugrats, but I remember feeling unsettled when watching Cow and Chicken, Ed Edd and Eddy, Courage, etc. I don't think I'd be able to enjoy SU in the pilot style if I was a kid.
>>77754292
Dude, the boards are basically the keys. The chinamen are doing in-betweens, clean-up, and color -- all the slave labor, sure -- but the Muricans are basically supervising animators. (+story and layout, don't forget)
They ARE animating entire episodes. Just not in-betweening them.
>>77747563
>it is a big problem in the modern western animation that everyone 'streamlines' until it's bland crap. read some of John K's stuff about the ripping friends and you can get a good picture of whats happening.
Uh, yeah. HE'S the best person to listen to. Obviously.
>>77754691
He kind of is, actually. Say what you want about his grotesque art, but its detailed grotesque art. Streamlining it isn't just counter intuitive to that end, bit it also just applies this mentality that animation HAS to be simple. It negates the idea of key driven shows rather than board driven ones. It creates an uncompromising norm that limits animation.
>>77755006
Take it up with the budget.
>>77754452
It's weaboos complaining that neither of them are launching their super nuclear bakabaka-uber-gaijin fists of destruction at each other.
It had to be easier to draw so there would be more shitty fanart.
>>77747429
Let's be fair, comparing anything to OPM's animation quality is absolutely unfair. It's absurd how consistently high-quality it's been, even for 1-cour anime standards.
I really fucking hate garnet's new design
I loved the pilot, the animation was great
>>77743316
Hand down the best designs yeah.
>>77755006
Tell that to Bob Jacques who found John K's layouts to be a nightmare to animate.
Why does SU trigger people so much?
>>77743079
Post-pilot serves Steven Universe better, but I really want another show from Sugar in the pilot's style
>>77756736
No one here is triggered, anon. This is probably the most tame we've been able to have SU discussions on this board since /sug/ got moved to /trash/.
>>77756925
LOL IN TH TRASH WHERE IT BELONGS WRECKDDDDD FUCKING YESSSS
>>77751087
1st one was best holy shit why didn't the show look like that?
>>77751087
Where are the first two from? I don't remember concept art looking like that.
>>77757040
They're from promo art she drew before the pilot
>>77754452
Personally, I think that less frames would be better on that scene, like on the earlier giff - >>77753879
You get a better look at the action.
>>77757138
Huh, I never saw that first one. I saw the second but I never remembered her wearing a white dress, probably because Steven covers up half her body.
>>77754452
ya got low standards. watch more OVAs.
>>77751087
Final.
I just love Pearl final design so much, even though at first I didn't like it but she grew in me.
>>77743316
Except the pilot was made before the poster
>>77752978
Yes it does.
>>77754292
Nice job moving the goalposts, asshole.
>>77743079
The first Pearl design is so much better it's not even remotely funny.
>>77754343
Yeah they really could do better with making fight scenes feel more punchy. Dynamic camera angles and appropriately timed cuts, and little touches like slowing or quickening frame rate slightly to make impacts really look like they hurt. Shouldn't be hard for a bunch of weebs.
>>77757263
OVAS have more money poured into them.
>>77753879
Why isn't there any real impact or friction? Look at Pear's kick and how Amethyst's body reacted. That's poorly timed fight scene animation.
>>77742455
Shitters on /co/ kept calling Pearl a gay man, so I guess that's the reason why.
>>77757263
...... not gonna name any?
I like the /pol/ redesigns desu.
>>77760324
>>77760338
>>77760324
Never a fan of that specific one. Would have looked far better as a brunette.
>>77760338
Bait aside, those qualities are fucking disgusting on a white girl. She looks like a bushy browed inbred.
>>77742455
Yes, because more interesting with all the Crystal Gems as Big Sisters instead of just Ame. Also, Lars having the hots for them all making Sadie mass jealous.
>>77759689
but didn't he say he couldn't see what was wrong with the animation, not that it couldn't be any better for the budget? logically you should look at the most expensive productions to see the top quality animated fight scenes.
>>77743316
Also Utz Snacks for the win.
>>77744020
acceptable.
>>77746675
>>77751757
>>77750249
You say that as if Japs usually aim for consistency. Have you ever heard of Sakuga?
>>77755943
What's better, and if the studio is to be believed, is that their budget isn't anything special. The studio is just following Murata's enthusiastic footsteps with OPM.
>>77747429
>>77751087
>>77751757
I think both types cam learn from one another. Never the less, THIS IS /co/.
>>77747429
OPM's budget is anything but special
https://twitter.com/kubo_chika/status/658611075936464896
>>77756736
not people, just mods
>>77760363
But white people already have big noses. It's fitting.
>>77756925
well said.
>>77757138
add "*80's" Pearl/Story for Steven.
>>77758020
ok. win.
>>77760404
Utz snacks are everywhere in SU though.
>>77760627
What.
>>77742641
Cheaper animation = more content*cough* evangelion *cough*
>>77761080
>Using a show that uses tons of stills that don't even show the mouth moving as an example.
Are the comics any good?
>>77755943
>Let's be fair, comparing anything to OPM's animation quality is absolutely unfair.
Not really, it doesn't have a huge budget and there's its fair share of low quality moments as well, the people working on it just know how to handle a budget and all their aninators are outsourced from different studios mainly BONES. Its quality isn't anything to gawk about in comparison to other 12 episode anime from BONES or KyoAni.
>>77743316
Steven looks less like a kid and more like an short man, not unlike Wario.
>>77760338
She looks like friggin' Micheal Jackson.
>>77763285
>contemporary 2d animation
>good
laff
>>77763528
Because CGI is so much better, right?
>>77742455
pilot garnet>new garnet
pilot pearl<new pearl
pilot amethyst=new amethyst
>>77762339
>[Deleted]
Why does nobody draw good SU porn
Are all of its fans just tranny prudes or talentless hacks or something?
>>77752316
Should have gone with this one to be honest.
>>77756736
Nah, man. That's the mods trying too hard.
>>77765918
What do you mean?
Am I the only one who looks at these designs and sees form following function?
Pilot designs were not Mom designs. They were more explicitly androgynous, and the Gems overall are most definitely female in personality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELWur1jg1hw
How long till Tumblr finds out that he drew Amethyst skinny and they barrage 3lamestudio with messages telling him to kill himself
>>77743679
Fuck off you moron, I hate this stupid argument, all arts and series can be criticized.
>>77746675
I read a while ago from Valve's design team that they made their Team Fortress 2 characters they way they are so you can easily recognize them by their outline. I think the same applies in this case. You see the square hair (hey that rhymes) and you know it's Garnet. You see a short wavy haired silhouette, and you know it's Amethyst. You see a bird, and you know it's Pearl.
>>77760354
Probably because the blonde hair sharply contrasts with the dark colors on her outfit. If you lighten her outfit's pallet, it might look better in this case.
>>77752553
the simpler the designs are for the overseas animators to grasp the less likely they'll be bogged down with retakes.
>>77767630
It's a basic principle of cartoon character design but they went a little overboard with muh distinct silhouettes. Garnet is fucking freakish.
>>77767701
What exactly do you dislike about Garnet's design? I'm curious.
>>77759659
>>77754343
>>77759740
I think it's completely fine and works for pearl, looks damned cool too, but yes, that kick has no impact. Tha needed to be fized.
>>77767731
her weird thighs and pencil waist. disgusting yo
>>77760324
>No black Pearl
>>77763428
tfw i was planning a brawl texture mod that replaced wario with steven
>>77754343
it's funny when fans animate better fights
>>77743316
this actually looks better
>>77742455
>let's make the obvious tumblr culture hairstyle imitations even MORE obvious and make everyone ugly and confirm once and for all that tumblr can't draw aesthetically pleasing noses
>>77768393
Not surprising, considering that this particular piece was made by someone from Powerhouse Animation.
>>77742455
Nope , the new style grew on me.
'm disappointed in the awful S2 , that is just "puting and agenda " the season" and no more fun or adventures/weekly villains".
Fuck Sugar for that S1-->S2 change was AT S3->S4/5/6 all over again.
Just fuck Sugar the snowflake.
>>77756736
this thread is great because /sug/ shut is in trash.
I would love to have /sug/ on /trash/ so people on /co/ maybe can give this show a chance.
>>77768140
They all have freakish proportions. Pretty much every Gem has a few "tells" about being non-human.
>>77768731
You are a retarded nigger If you think that S2 is bad.
Literally show me one moment where they try to push an agenda in S2.
Steven cross-dressing was meant for laughs so don't even think of posting that.
God it's been two years and there are still SU pilot design threads. Guess that means there will still be Toei Ladybug threads two years from now.
>>77763428
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