>Jessica Jones concludes
>Matt's still the only MCU superhero that doesn't kill
Will Iron Fist be the one that finally cures Daredevil's moralfag loneliness?
>>77652152
Will Daredevil be the moral center of the team?
>implying Iron Fist's show wasn't cancelled
>>77652152
No, Danny killed dragons.
Thank you, Wesley.
Probably not
how would DD have dealt with kilgrave
>>77652193
The Dragon's fine he just took its heart.
I don't remember Luke killing anyone
>>77652193
Despite what DJWs may want you to believe, dragons aren't people.
>>77652152
Nobu
>>77652223
>>77652193
The dragon comes back to life after each of its murders. Like a Phoenix kinda.
>>77652152
>literally the one actual heroic guy in the MCU is red batman
That's a shame
>>77652225
He was gonna kill that driver.
>>77652250
Hey, fuck you. Fuck you.
>>77652285
Maybe Spider-Man too.
>>77652266
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnGtPCAHsak
Is Jessica Jones the smelliest Marvel hero out there? Maybe it was her body odor that kept Purple Man's funk at bay.
>>77652375
Ask in one of the Jessica Jones threads that are actually talking about the show.
>>77652152
You do realize that superheroes who have a hard-and-fast "no killing" rule that they stick too without exception are very much in the minority.
Even Batman and Superman make exceptions when they need to. And I say that as a huge moralfag when it comes to superheroes and heroic narratives, the fact is that sometimes the least worst decision a superhero could make in a scenario involves killing someone to ensure that greater evil or harm doesn't come about. Killing is still wrong, but like I said, sometimes it's the least worst option.
>>77652191
Jeph Loeb said that Iron Fist is still in development and nothing has changed. He claimed all of the rumors about troubled development was just the Internet making up theories and that the reason we haven't heard anything about it yet is because they were working on promoting Jessica Jones and Luke Cage first. The role of Iron Fist has likely already been cast.
I like Matt because he is a moralfag. It's admirable and I like seeing those characters grapple with their morals in the pursuit of justice vs. characters without morals because I don't feel as invested in their struggles. Those are more interesting characters to me. Just not when it's idiotic naivete.
>>77652201
That was a pretty good storyline, Nocenti's run is underrated
>>77652335
Nice.
>>77652418
>Even Batman and Superman make exceptions when they need to.
Doesn't help when people make out that Superman and Batman will go off on the deep end, starting an unstoppable murder-spree. All because they killed the quintessential omnicidal maniac.
>>77652335
I want their meeting in The Defenders to be something like this. His origin is in such sharp contrast to the others.
>>77652261
Hand ninjas don't count, like Nazis, aliens, and robots.
>>77652289
He thought the man killed his wife. Not exactly an everyday thing.
the whole matt not killing thing is pretty bullshit, he literally set a man on fire intentionally and left him to burn to death
the whole narrative of him being unsure about killing is stupid when hes leaving a trail of bodies behind him. Like that guy he threw off the roof too, he didn't know if he would survive or not, he rolled the dice on it.
>>77652221
He would've have half a dozen confrontations where he got his ass kicked, then figure out how to neutralize him and bring THE LAW.
You know, it's a wonder how evil still exists in the MCU if they are continually killing off villains like this.
>>77653482
True.
>>77652261
That was weird that the show played up the no kill rule but killed him with no mention.
I guess the excuse is he was still alive when Matt last saw him.
That bugged me, along with Matt throwing the guy off the roof and only checking to see if he survived after RD asked him.
>>77653442
To me, it felt like the writers weren't in sync with the no-killing thing. Like they only read broad outlines of episodes that weren't theirs.
>>77653442
Lighting the ninja on fire was an accident! The ninja deflected his baton onto the lamp which sparked the gasoline coated on him.
>>77653442
There's a difference between cold blooded murder and self defense.
The problem with killing Kingpin isn't just taking his life, it's that Matt fears the legal system is too corrupt and the only way to take care of Kingpin would be cold blooded murder.
Setting Nobu on fire in a fire he's clearly losing is an act of desperation and survival. If Nobu fell over and was just burning Matt would have put him out. Too bad Fisk showed up and let Nobu burn.
Now the throwing a guy off the roof? Yeah Matt tells Claire he didn't know if he'd live. He also had just said he likes torturing people. I think the line is just Daredevil using fear. By the end of the show we know he'd be able to aim the guy at the dumpster by smell. However I think he did want the guy dead. There is a difference between executing someone and letting chance (or god in matt's case) decide someone's fate. It's almost Two-Face levels of mental gymnastics, but that is the Catholic way of thinking.
tl;dr = Matt's catholic so his ideas about guilt and what counts as his actions vs god's are pretty fucked up
>>77653442
true but why he bitches about not killing, its just seems stupid
>>77652375
since the alternate Iron Man 2 beginning is not in the MCU yes. Otherwise tony would win from puking all the time.
>>77652250
C'mon man, it's 2015, that's disrespectful.
My parents are two hard working Dragon Americans who just want recognition.
>>77657237
Tony's a drunk, he'd puke all the time anyway.
Plus he's locked up in the suit all the time sweating his balls off when he isn't snorting coke out of the sphincter of a two dollar Filipino whore.
As Pepper watches.
>>77652375
What does he smell like, /co/?
>>77657928
Apple pie and gunpowder.
>>77657928
Apple pie.
>>77657928
Sluts.
>>77652152
Who did Ant-Man kill? wait I guess cross technically?
have we seen Cap actually kill anyone?
>>77657992
He's shot several Germans, yes. Cap wasn't even against using guns back in WWII, and I doubt he'd outright reject a gun now.
>>77657992
Cap was in WWII, he totally killed people.
But they were Nazis, so it's cool.
>>77657992
Cross probably counts, if he's dead.
Hank seems like he probably killed enemy combatants.
>>77657945
I'd cologne it.
>>77658013
>I doubt he'd outright reject a gun now.
You'd be correct.
>>77657928
Cheeseburgers.
>>77658013
>>77658021
wait there were those Hydra goons who fell to their deaths in their plane bomb things. and the guy who got pulped in the plane prop.
>>77658028
are we only counting living heroes? I don't imagine Wasp killed anyone. Hank maybe but I don't feel like Janet did.
actually now that I think about it I don't think the Twins killed anyone. nor has Vision.
>>77658028
>Hank seems like he probably killed enemy combatants.
Hank killed all the knocked out security at Cross Tech, he doesn't give a fucklike a real hero
>>77652221
Developing selective hearing, training himself to be able to filter out voices. Kilgrave would only be allowed to write during the trial, with someone reading out what he wrote.
>>77652152
Daredevil was always pretty lonely in that regard. most heroes in the MU kill or have atleast killed once
>>77658013
I think the only reason he doesn't use a gun now is he feels more effective without it. I doubt it's got anything to do with lethality.
>>77658137
intentionally? I don't think I remember Spider-Man killing anyone?
>>77657992
Cap kills people in every movie he's in, it's great
>>77658174
Spider-Man is alongside Daredevil in the small no-killing group.
>>77658090
>nor has Vision.
Ultron would beg to differ.
>>77656626
naw man he totes throws it there on purpose, the camera even shifts focus to the lamp right before he throws it to imply his intentions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKCnrgVGgYw
>>77658090
>Janet
>dead
I am almost convinced that Ant-Man 2 is gonna involve Hank looking for Janet and probably finding her.
MCU isn't exactly a stranger to the comic book death.
![tumblr_inline_n1r9cgjBnL1s16be1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/j9ec1mU.jpg "tumblr_inline_n1r9cgjBnL1s16be1[1].jpg")
>>77658174
spider-man killed several people, most of the time when somebody gets to his loved ones he is out there to kill them
>>77658137
>>77658392
is this the reason he has a metal spine?
>>77658392
He still didn't kill him, though. Bullseye did force his hand. And Bullseye lived.
Though, admittedly, Murdock does something worse than kill him... so...
>>77652221
Punching him it would seem.
>>77652290
You're a good half breed abomination, no room to talk.
>>77658446
Yes.
Matt torturing people is bullshit, I hope they drop it
>>77658392
>>77658664
He gives that whole speech at the hospital about Bullseye having to go through the legal system
>>77658949
Then afterwards Bullseye, paralyzed and limited to only being able to see... Daredevil blinds him.
People even question if he planned it and he doesn't contest it.
Honestly, his morality is limited to specific types of actions. It's very Catholic, in that sense.
>inb4 you think this is a religious jab
>>77652221
Daredevils senses made him immune to killgrave I thought
>>77658997
yeah the other problem i have is the show isn't showing the catholic guilt satisfactorily to me yet. Also Bullseye in 616 is a very different case from Russian asshole #3
>>77657928
Bay rum, hair tonic, leather, and freedom.
>>77659164
Yeah, they had an awesome opportunity. But I guess they avoided it because the temptation to "make le religion look bad or you get SJW boycotted! le ebin xD" and other such problems.
>>77652152
Iron fist generally doesn't kill but he's wasted a few niggas
>>77659263
Yeah, I always thought he didn't like wanton killing because he personally felt uneasy with it... but thought it would be necessary from time to time.
He just never found it outright necessary.
>>77658997
that ikari stuff is accident
>>77659342
His friend asks him, "You could have stopped him from going blind. But you didn't. Did you want to?"
Matt doesn't reply.
>>77659080
He's blind not deaf
Damn I was going to say Daisy but she dropped people too.
>>77659080
Kilgrave's powers aren't sight-based. They're smell or some shit.
In fact, he might be able to affect Matt at a longer range than other people.
>>77653482
Not enough Frank yet.
>>77658174
Spider-Man accidentally killed a woman in Spider-Man vs Wolverine because he thought she was Logan, so he threw a super strength punch.
>>77659469
yeah, DD would be fucked against Kilgrave in the MCU. The comics he is much more incompitent than the show
>>77659431
>>77659469
It'd be cool if they...
Oh nvm she killed that nigga. I was gonna say it would've been cool if they broke both Fisk and Killgrave out of prison to fight other heroes.
>>77652152
The difference between Jessica Jones and Dardevil is that Jessica doesn't hide who she is ans she actually faced the legal consequence of her action.
A lot of people seem to not understand that the major factor for the no-killing rule is the secret identity.
It's one thing to act where the system has failed and to hide your ID to protect the one close to you, but it means you can do basically what you want and to not suffer of the consequences. The No-killing rule is to ensure the use of the mask isn't abused. When you stray away from the consequences of your actions, when you don't face court for your questionable actions, you lose the legitimacy to remove any life. At least if you want to remain on the hero side.
Cops can kill, but they when they do not hide their identity and have to face a sever process (at least theoretically), whenever to use their gun.
>>77659080
In DD: Yellow PM's powers are sight based. As shown here: >>77658858
Not sure how it is in other comics, though.
>>77658174
He killed Gwen Stacy
>>77652152
it's not mralfagginess. It's that he's a lawyer and tries not to be too illegal in his actions. it's strategic thinking, not morality.
>>77657127
>but that is the Catholic way of thinking
It has nothing to do with that.
That's the normal mindset in our society. Killing someone to preserve your own life is self defense, while intentionally hunting someone down and killing them is murder.
That's just how the law is. If anything, he's more a lawyer than a Catholic.
So Jessica refrained from killing Kilgrave because he probably told dozens of people to kill themselves if he died
Why was this not an issue in the final battle when she snapped his neck like nothing?
>>77660551
>Why was this not an issue in the final battle when she snapped his neck like nothing?
It was an issue. She first wanted him to tell them all to stop before killing him.
>>77660616
Yeah, but only the people there. His effective range was huge at the end, there could have been hundreds of people under his influence the moment he died
>>77660637
If he had he would have taunted it in her face. there is no point in making such assurance for your own security and then not use it.
>>77660678
Yeah, I guess I'm just wondering why he didn't do so when he made sure to do it when confronting Jessica in her apartment
>>77660692
Maybe all this new juice in his brain made him think less coherently.
>>77652418
I've seen you post this bait before, you naughty boy
>>77660551
Well his power over people went away after he died or while he was drugged
>>77660551
It just didn't matter anymore, Killgrave HAD to die. He'd caused too much suffering, even if he went out with a bang, that would be the end of it.
>>77652191
How does it feel to be like five months behind in MCU news? It must be like time travelling.
>>77652423
There is an video interview where Quesada says the same thing.
>>77658230
>>77653442
there's no reason he would have let Nobu die, he would have captured and interrogated him like all the rest of Fisk's men that he beat. But then Fisk showed up with his lackeys and kicked Matt's ass, so he didn't have an opportunity to put Nobu out. You can't really count that as deliberate.
>>77656332
>That bugged me, along with Matt throwing the guy off the roof and only checking to see if he survived after RD asked him.
if he wanted to kill him, he wouldn't have thrown him in the dumpster.
it's made explicitly clear through the show that he's still struggling with his morality. making questionable decisions isn't just in-character, it's a deliberate part of the narrative.
>>77652221
>>77659080
He always just out-willed the effects
>>77652335
>Luke and Danny bonding
Dope
>>77660537
>Implying western values arent based in Christianity
>>77660697
Yeah, it was clear he was becoming more reckless when he took a drug that was more likely to kill him than make him stronger.
>>77657928
Freedom
>>77660637
>>77660678
and in any case they'd have no way of knowing that he's dead
>>77662096
>>77652423
but the important question is Shulkie when?
>>77660537
I know reading is hard, but try to understand I was talking about the chance/directly your fault distinction being the result of very Catholic thinking and not simple self defense.
The Kingpin (potential) killing and throwing the guy off a roof are clearly NOT self defense. But fuck paragraphs right? Those spaces people put into their posts are just for decoration I guess.
>>77652152
>implying Hulk has killed anyone in the MCU
>>77658090
There is literally no chance whatsoever that Janet is dead.
>>77664862
Man would I be ticked if they brought that complete bullshit to the MCU.
>>77664862
Nobody ever cares about the Chitauris...
>>77662652
Would love a She-Hulk TV show.
Am I the only one a little disappointed Spidey is gonna be a kid? I mean, for one thing, his history with Jess will be gone, when I thought that was a neat little detail, but all of the heroes who are portrayed as the same age as him are either in a different studio (Iceman, Human Torch, etc.) or in their 30s. Kinda throws off the dynamic a bit.
>>77666296
Spidey was always featured as a new blood to the team.
>>77666336
What? Spidey was a hero way longer than anyone except Matt was out of this group.
>>77665300
SUPER MATH
i can't get mad at it, it's so dumb
>>77666412
I thought it was kinda cool, I just hated making it so Hulk had never ever killed or hurt anyone. Like why the fuck would Bruce Banner care so much if all he did was wreak wanton property damage?
>>77652418
>Batman and Superman make exceptions when they need to
Superman makes exceptions, since Batman's code was established I'm pretty sure he's only killed Darkseid, who at the time was being portrayed as the god of evil.
>>77665403
Where are all the chitauri soldiers that were still on earth when the wormhole closed?
>>77665403
Not even Thanos. Not even the Chitauri, if the deleted dialogue by the Other is to be believed. They seek nothing more than to die in battle.
>>77666492
They all dropped dead when their mothership exploded.
Fuck you. Use spoilers, OP.
>>77666451
Exactly, it completely undermines the Jekyll and Hyde thing
>>77666605
It doesn't really. Bruce only act on a subconscious level.
Beside, both Bruce and Hulk try to act as nice guy.
>>77666555
Yeah, an entire army of dead or deactivated super aliens with tech. Where?
>>77666926
SHIELD collected all the bits.
>>77666854
If the Jekyll is in total, even subconscious, control of the Hyde, and can 100% prevent it from doing any actual damage, then yes, it is totally undermined.
>>77666926
SHIELD+HYDRA cleanup was very thorough, and attracted suspicion from internet activists and conspiracy theorists across the globe
It's how Daisy met SHIELD in the first place, she was trying to expose the stuff SHIELD was hiding during those interim years.
>>77667185
Dude, Hulk does plenty of damage, regardless of whether or not Bruce save lifes.
And like I have said, Hulk and banner aren't a perfect transposition of Jekyll and Hyde, because, unlike Hyde, Hulk is still a good person at heart.
>>77668976
It's just property damage. It isn't "put-a-bullet-in-my-mouth-to-end-the-anguish" big of a deal.
