Since Based Anon won't make it...
We had it in the previous thread.
Patreanon said he's not gonna do it anymore since it's all even further downhill from this point on.
RIP Joyce
"You were the only redeemable character, until David Willis raped you."
I don't understand this comic at all.
Is there supposed to be a joke somewhere?
>>77614357
why she mad?
>>77614357
ITT: people pretend they don't find fundamentalist Christians obnoxious and creepy IRL for several hundred posts because a comic is shit.
>>77614450
You know who is really obnoxious? Ex-Christian fundies who overcompensate and start going about how religion is a lie.
>willis actually thinks this is Joyce "growing up"
>>77614580
does ths remind you of meatwad?
>damn phone cord damn phone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eT4hSV8Sfg
>>77614563
Sure.
They're both pretty bad. I can't really get mad at someone for saying "if you think evolution is wrong you're being stupid", though, because it's true. And I can't really bring myself to pretend that being a hateful ignorant shit is likable or relatable out of hate for a comic.
Why do you guys even care enough about this to get so ass-twisted about it that you'll start defending reprehensible shitheads over it? It's just a shit comic. There are millions of them, many worse, like LICD or Moon over June.
>>77614645
It's fun
>>77614450
Sure they can be obnoxious and creepy. They're still human beings.
The comic is so damn binary. Everyone inevitably becomes either an enlightened progressive LGBT atheist or an irredeemably evil monster.
>>77615640
That's really one of Willis' flaws right there. He can't seem to write anybody into the gray area you've implied in your post.
Just look at his reaction to the Becky edits. He thinks that a reasonable and nuanced response to being disowned by your father is less appropriate than flipping him the bird and say you'll become a Scientist.
I bet Willis didn't even invite his own parents to his wedding.
>>77615640
Joyce's family seem like human beans.
They have ignorant views, but they're still capable of humour and development, and they're not gun-toting crazies like toedad. IIRC Billie's a Christian too.
In fact, isn't the blonde haired girl like the only atheist?
>>77614357
She gets paid for swearing?
>>77615737
Just like he believes the appropriate response to an abduction is not to call the cops but to let a fat unathletic woman-child to chase after the car on a skateboard.
>>77615821
Sign me the fuck up!
>>77615966
And the appropriate response from a bystander in regards to a gunman kidnapping a person is "Well, I'm glad that's over!"
>>77614401
>Is there supposed to be a joke somewhere?
Yes, the author.
>>77614401
>>77615821
It's been two years since this came up, so there's no reason anyone should remember it.
>>77615737
What's funny about the edit is that he said it was Becky who was "cliche" and "boring" and "Hallmark" but the only thing that changed was that her dad didn't say something stupid and out of touch with the situation.
If he didn't say the stupid line Becky would've had a nice goodbye with him. He equates religious parents realizing they silently made a mistake to shit over and over again on Twitter.
Instead Becky started out as a lesbian who hates her dad and is majoring in science, and she ended up as a lesbian who hates her dad and is majoring in science. Nobody grew. Nobody learned anything. Not even Toedad. Especially not Becky.
Can we make DoA threads a bannable offense?
>>77616445I once got banned for posting Shortpacked
>>77614401
Only right in the middle of building up a serious plot.
>>77616533
Good.
Shortpacked, Dumbing of Age, Dobson, Questionable Content, Dresden Codak, Twitter shiposting and SJW clickbait threads should all be deleted on sight and the user banned.
>>77614357
Need a "your gay? heres 20 bucks" edit.
>>77616445
>>77616560
/co/ goes through stages with webcomics. Nobody's talked about Dobson or Sinfest in a while. And hell we haven't talked about Hathor Cow Goddess or Moon Over June in years.
All it takes is for one infuriatingly stupid strip or twitter message to get back on the warpath.
>>77616432
That actually made the current strip funny for me.
>>77616635
Hathor and Moon Over June are both dead.
>>77615640
>enlightened progressive LGBT atheist AND an irredeemably evil monster
Ftfy. This is of course not the author's intent, but the characters he always wants to be seen as naive or evil inevitably turn out to be the most 3 dimensional, while the characters he wants people to sympathize with are shitheads.
Take Joyce, for example. In the early comics she was made fun of for her beliefs like "Ha, how could anyone believe that?" but in reality she's the most likable character in the comic.
Becky's dad as well. Even though he went off the rails and kidnapped his daughter at gunpoint, Willis still managed to make him look like he thought he was doing the right thing, and was just extremely desperate.
Willis wanted Becky to look empowering by abandoning her father, religion, and getting an education. However, she looks like a sociopath because she went from tearing up over her broken family to smiling and flipping off her hospitalized dad in 8 seconds.
Every time readers start to interpret the characters as written, he has to say "no" and double-down on his characterizations.
>>77616635
whats moon over june
>>77616679
Thank heavens
>C-sections lead to rape and violence because the babies don't receive the mother's love-hormones
>>77616635
This is correct. QC had the trap plot, this had toedad plot, and Dresden had the recent Linkle snafu. Threads will probably die down as
the comics go back to a whole lot of nothing.
>>77616744
It was lumped in with Hathor, Dobson and Sinfest. Do the math.
>>77616744
The anti-Oglaf
http://moonoverjune.com/go/189
>>77616805
Is that supposed to be a joke ?
LOVE HORMONES ?!!
>>77615806
Paper-thin stereotypes used for humor isn't much better than paper-thin stereotypes used for punching. Besides, main reason they were there was so Joyce could beat them up with bible verses
Billie's Christian, but she's not fundie, she drinks and she's bi, so she gets a pass.
>>77616635
>Nobody's talked about Dobson or Sinfest in a while.
Sinfest threads get outright deleted when they're made.
>>77616805
I miss Hathor threads. MoJ threads too.
>love hormones
I'm still a little curious about her source on that.
>>77616635
>>77617072
Dobson threads get deleted too. We don't talk about them anymore because they've been banned.
>>77617103
I saw a Dobson thread like three days ago. They don't get nuked on sight the way that Sinfest threads do.
>Ruining the last good character in Joyce by making her the polar opposite of the new main character Becky "Did I mention I'm a lesbian also here's a joke after a traumatic incident" The Lesbian.
Why you gotta be ruining the only waifu-worthy girl you made Willis?
>>77617010
That is what this woman believes. I actually think it's one of her less crazy ideas.
>>77617133
Yeah, they both always end up deleted but for some reason Sinfest ones are gone in about two minutes after being posted.
>>77617181
I think unschooling was pretty high up there on the batshit list and forcing her kids to go without an education and be mentally stunted should've been met with police action
>>77614357
>Since Based Anon won't make it...
Maybe there was a good reason for that.
>>77617267
That and breast feeding her kids until they were like 15.
>>77616679
>Moon Over June
No it isnt. Hatsuki and summer are engaged now after summer got breastfeeding cancer and gave up on life and was going to fuck moon and June's manny
>>77617181
Okay now I just need to read that shit. Is it long ?
>>77616059
Obviously willis is a master of himan behavior.
>>77614412
Because that is who she is now. Willis raped her virgin sensibilities.
Now she's just going to be a vulgar bitch.
>>77617180
Because people were supposed to detest Joyce but found her naive sensibility no be less offensive and just cute since she had capacity for growth and understanding. And now he just killed that and left it to rot in the gutter.
>>77617709
>people were supposed to detest Joyce
Well no. Joyce represents Willis's sheltered Christian self before he broke free of his repressive family. We're supposed to pity her.
In IW, Joyce managed to remain a Christian but give up the hateful judgemental parts of Christianity. She struggled but ultimately retained her optimism and basic decency. I don't think Willis would be able to write something like that today. Funny how his over-the-top scifi action comic feels more real than the "grounded" human dramedy he writes now.
>>77618192
>hateful judgemental parts of Christianity
Christianty is a religion of love and acceptance.
Why do you guys keep submitting yourselves to this torture if you know nothing's going to get better?
Besides, nobody outside of /co/ cares about David Willis. If we stopped reading, he'd be nowhere.
>>77618225
In theory, yes. In practice, sometimes.
>>77618391
I've been reading Willis for 12 damn years. His "evolution" has been...painful.
>>77618391
Well no one or next to no one here actually reads the comic on his site, so actual viewers have to exist
>>77618225
Kek u wot gov, it's a religion of submission, submit your will to god, who is loving and accepting as long as you're submitting your will to him.
No religion with eternal horrible punishment can be called loving and accepting.
Tell me your thoughts on seatbelts, /co/
>>77618499
>There's punishment for a lifetime of wrongdoing, therefore it's not loving
Christianity is all about forgiveness for those who seek it, dawg. "as long as you're submitting your will to him." like you said. What worth would there be in a religion that has no rules or consequences?
>>77617510
I'm not sure you can even find it anymore. It's from an old web community site focused on breast feeding and I'm pretty sure you need to sign up for a membership and then dig through their archives some half a decade or more back just to find where they were originally posted. And I don't remember any anons assembling an archive for our viewing pleasure. Only place I ever saw this shit was hathor threads here back when they were a thing.
She might still be doing these once in a while so there's no telling how many there are. Fortunately there's no overarching plot except for her aging up the drawings of her kids in real time or possibly commenting on former current events, so you can enjoy any single comic as you come across it.
>>77618499
I remember when I was 15. Don't worry anon, you'll grow out of it.
>>77617346
You mean Hats almost fucked the manny, right? Even though Summer is dying, there's no way she'd willingly touch a man.
>>77618663
>What worth would there be in a religion that has no rules or consequences?
I dunno, let's find some Unitarians and ask them?
I visited a Unitarian church for an event a few months ago. It seemed pretty nice.
>tfw you'll never Kilgrave Joyce intoholding your hand
why live
>>77618553
They kill because they hate
>>77615737
H-he's married?
How?
>>77619506
Divorced. She looks like a man.
>>77616432
So in context, the OP comic is enough to warrant a smile.
Still, it's a really dumb direction for Joyce's character to be taken in.
>>77619506
She was a fan during the IW days and asked him out on IRC. Something clicked. Now she's preggers with twins.
>>77619506
I know. You'd think he'd be against marrying a women given his lesbian fetish.
>>77618553
>wearing seatbelts
why would you do that?
>>77618553
>daily reminder that this car accident is all Amazi-girl's fault.
>>77620051
>IT'S ALWAYS DADS
>>77616805
Hathor is the original crunchy mom. I wonder how she feels now that so many other women share her view points. Extended breastfeeding, nursing in public, bed sharing, etc are all on the rise.I remember 8-9 years ago I used to make fun of these comics, now every once in a while I see one I relate to. Especially the one about nursing with a cover up on.
>>77615966
Why is she so fat, by the way?
Like, I'm not big on the whole "superhero" thing being thrown in here, but whatever. It just seems stupid that this girl is mental enough to moonlight as a superhero and yet is still this flabby slop of a person. If she's going to be throwing dudes around and getting thrown into windshields, shouldn't she look like she has at least some muscle? Maybe she trains? Or something?
Or would that be body shaming?
>>77621518
Basically, it started in Shortpacked, where nerdy self-conscious girl created a pretend Amazi-Girl persona, with the power of being "immune to criticism". It was originally just a once-off goofy thing because it didn't actually change anything but made people afraid of her, but it became a recurring thing anyway.
Then, when Willis made DoA, he thought "Hey, what if instead of just being a make-pretend thing, Amazi-Girl was an actual vigilante-with-acrobatics superhero. It'll be like my own Batman!". So, despite how stupid it sounds to make the fat lazy nerd a superhero without superpowers, that's exactly what he did.
It's very stupid.
>>77619784
I don't know!
>>77621518
>yet is still this flabby slop of a person
She's not though, she's just short and seems dumpy like most women with curves.
>>77615806
>Joyce's family seem like human beans
No, you're thinking of her women's studies teacher, Leslie Bean.
>>77618705
I remember when I was seventeen and thought that growing up meant just blindly accepting what people tell me, because being young is supposedly the opposite.
Don't worry anon, you'll grow out of it.
>>77622131
I remember when I learned the truth at seventeen that love was meant for beauty queens and high school girls with clear skinned smiles who married young and then retired.
>>77621518
Disguise.
Or she's strongfat. Like the Kingpin.
>>77622131
>I am enlightened
Go shoot up a school, faggot.
>>77621518
I'm more curious about the ham-fisted "NEVAR AGAIN" raped gimmick.
And even more curious as to why there's no porn of it.
>>77622446
Amber was raped?
>>77620309I actually think public nursing and having designated nursing rooms are actually good ideas. There's some science to suggested it's very good for both mother and baby.
Good luck suggesting this shit without being lumped in with the placenta eating crowd.
For the assholes in the last DoA thread who kept insisting that the poor bakery that didn't want to make a wedding cake for the mean ol' homofascists literally did nothing wrong, here's an article proving why you're stupid cunts: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/brint/almost_everything_you_heard_on_the_sweet_cakes_case_is_false
>>77622601
Hi Willis. Find any lesbians?
>>77622653
Let's be honest here: do you think Willis would ever dive his head into what he considers to be the internet's biggest toilet? The man can barely step outside without soiling himself, why the fuck would he go here just to post somebody'sadmittedly what appears to be a pretty well-researchedblog?
>Keeping an eye on one retarded storyline is turning into a Willis general
Stop, /co/. Stop now, before it's too late.
>>77616432
Well, in the overall timeline of the series, that's probably about a week or two in the past.
>>77622409
Not American or /pol/ enough, sorry.
>>77622793
He used to come here. He would post our old Shortpacked edits. Now we were mocking him but he used to take it better.
>>77622601
Nice source there.
Maybe link to Salon on Jezebel while you're at it.
>>77623604
Why do you feel the need to defend a homophobic bakery anon?
>>77614580
>adolescence is thinking that swearing in every conversations makes you seem more mature
>adulthood is realizing how to self-filter so you don't get your ass fired
I work as a public school teacher, and I'm pretty sure EVERY teacher has this little switch evolved in their brain that they can flip on and off, because they're completely PG language in the classroom, in front of students and their parents, and as soon as the school day ends everyone curses like a sailor.
>>77622121
>>77618225
So is Islam.
>>77614645
I don't really hate people for not understanding the importance of the theory of evolution and rejecting it anymore. Because for many Protestant Christians, they see it as a figurehead of modernity and Enlightenment materialist rationalism that rejects the possibility of the supernatural or mystical elements of faith. Yeah, modernity can suck and has been used to justify some pretty shitty modes of thought that lead to National Socialism, Socialism and brutal Communist dictatorships in general, eugenics, etc. and to them, evolution is associated with those modes of thought and therefore must be evil and destroyed along with them.
It's still a bad bit of logic, but otherwise smart people can believe some really fucking dumb things, like that the moon landing was faked, or that 9/11 was a government conspiracy, or that the Earth is really hollow on the inside, or that vaccines cause autism, or that horoscopes are actually a serious thing that can impact your personal well-being.
"Evolution isn't real" and "the earth is only 6000 years old" are both just conspiracy theories in the same vein. They're all wrong and should be refuted as such, but as soon as you get down into "WELL YOU'RE JUST TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND" ad hominem attacks, then they'll just take it as more evidence that they're correct after all.
>>77620051
Yeah but Sal robbed a store and then Ambers Dad abused her so everything Amazigirl does is Sals fault apparently.
>>77623651
>ask Muslims to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage ceremony
>they refuse
>"oh well that's their beliefs, we can't force them to violate their conscience."
>go to a bakery run by Christians
>ask them to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage ceremony
>they refuse
>everyone loses their goddamn minds
>>77618553
Didn't Willis use "NNNYEEARRRGH" in one of his pornos?
the retarded plot about the dad and the autistic girls is over
you can stop making these threads here
nobody should give a fuck about this shit unless its going full retard.
>>77622601
>two gay children
cursed womb
>>77623974
Everybody lost their mond because the bakery ran to the right wing media. They are the ones who made the fuss.
>>77624626
>they are the ones who made the fuss
When you're about to be sued out of business over a fucking cake then I'd be throwing a fit too.
>>77617075
retarded soccer mom is talking about oxytocin.
>>77624726
>sued out of business over discrimination
FTFy
>>77624726
You actually might want to check out that link.
>>77616445
Go away WIDF.
>>77623651
Why would you do business with somebody who hates you?
>>77623815
I work infinance. Many of us curse more than sailors, on and off the job.
>>77625124
Because they didn't knew the bakery owners was homophobic. It's not like that's something you advertise.
>>77625298
What's your point?
>make me a cake
>no
>okay bye
>>77622534I'm actually glad breastfeeding is becoming more and more normalized. It's a great way to bond with your baby, overall healthier then formula and it's just generally natural.
>Good luck suggesting this shit without being lumped in with the placenta eating crowd.
That shit is so nasty, a woman in the breastfeeding support group I'm part of was talking about doing encapsulation of her placenta. I just have to accept that I get lumped in with people like that because I'm pro-breastfeeding. The anti-vaccers I hate being lumped in with though
>>77614401
Insufferability is humor, anon.
Source: Every unfunny webcomic hack ever. And Dan Schneider.
>>77625350
More like
>make me a wedding cake
>no
>why? You had no problem baking us a cake before
>because I think you're love is an abomination
>discrimination is against Portland law and therefore no matter what they are still in the wrong.
>>77625536
>make me a wedding cake
>no
>why? You had no problem baking us a cake before
>because I think you're love is an abomination
>okay bye
Also, answer>>77625124
>>77625020
Not him, but even though not redacting their names was fucking stupid, they did indeed only go to facebook after they had received a discrimination complaint.
What a fuss over nothing.
>>77625462
>And Dan Schneider.
That's so goddamn true. Every Schneider show seems to have unlikable people being dicks to each other as a punchline.
>>77625672
What kind of sociopath are you anon? You actually think someone should just totally accept discrimination laying down from a couple of shitheads?
>>77625672
>also answer >>77625124
I already fucking did >>77625298
>>77625408
What, really? I have friends who are mothers who are totally on board with breastfeeding and they hate the rest of that "natural parenting" bullshit. Breastmilk is the best thing for newborns, and formula you should really only be using if nursing isn't an option due to lack of milk production or other problems.
Unlike eating your placenta, not giving your kids vaccinations and the rest of that horseshit, this has actual hard science behind it.
>>77625689
A completely valid discrimination complaint.
>>77625408
Should maybe just have it saved for the stem cells, that would help a lot more. Or is that just the cord?
>>77616059
I honestly never thought about that part, but wholly fuck.
>>77625536
>because I think you're love is an abomination
it's just sodomy pal.
>>77625865
>I can't participate in this wedding by creating a cake for you because that condones something that is deeply against my religious held beliefs
>gets sued for discrimination
>entire nation hates them
>I can't transport this alcohol because it condones something that is deeply against my religious held beliefs
>get fired for not doing their job
>federal government sues the company that fired them for discrimination against their conscientious objection to company policy
>>77625946
Sodomy is a form of love.
>>77625864
You should know by now that sometimes people choose their worldview because it's in vogue, or what they heard first, not because it's carefully reasoned.
>>77625946
Not unless one of them is wearing a strap-on
>>77615966
what do you mean? She did track of field in high school. Obviously she's gonna still be capable of amazing feats of athleticism despite not being show to do any sort of significant training.
Being athletic and fit is like riding a bike. You never forget.
>>77616648
Same. Now I get it. It's kind of funny.
The problem is that the comic is so worthless I'm not going to read it frequently or attentively enough for two-year-old call-backs to be a good choice.
>>77625992
>deeply held religious beliefs
Because homophobia is a core tenant of Christianity.
>>77626024
And of course the perfect pursuit "vehicle" would be a skateboard.
>>77616744
I dare you to look it up.
>>77625864
Yeah, typically people associate if you're going all natural that you're anti-vaccines too. And that if you're interested in doing extended breastfeeding that you're going to nurse your kids until their 6 like Hathor.
To be fair, crunchy moms tend to be anti-vaccine, anti-dairy, anti-gluten, gentle parenting, bedsharing and breastfeeding their kids till their 4. You get lumped in with them when you do anything even remotely natural. When my mom found out I wasn't going to circumcise my son she had a cow.
>>77621950
Ironically she's still immune to criticism, with the power to make up asinine excuses for everything.
>>77626030
>I don't think gay people in a long term same-sex relationship counts as a marriage because there's no possibility of natural, procreative union
That's not homophobic.
Just the same as they'd also say
>A heterosexual couple that can't or will not consummate in a long-term relationship doesn't count as a marriage because there's no possibility of natural, procreative union
And
>Artificial birth control is wrong because it allows for the dysjunction of the purpose of procreation from the action of sex, even if it's within the context of a lawfully, recognized marriage.
And
>Sex outside of marriage is wrong because it uses sex for selfish fulfillment rather than providing the union between a man and a woman for the purposes of drawing together in that union of marriage and providing for new life from it.
And
>Marital rape is wrong because it does not allow for that loving union in a sexual act and discounts and devalues the other person in the relationship, regardless of whether it's intended for procreation or not.
Get the pattern yet?
>>77625992
I like how you keep trying to make this a Christian vs muslim kinda thing. Keep ignoring how portland had discrimination laws against that kind of shit as well.
>>77626214
>get the pattern yet
Spell it out
>>77621950
Also, transplanting the superhero identity into a 'realistic' slice-of-life type comic makes it a bit alarming, as its a coping mechanism for Amber to deal with her Dad Issues.
While she won't die without her mask, she will start flipping out if she goes without it for too long.
>>77626214
That you're basically kim davis?
>>77626219
I'm not saying we need to exterminate or oppress muslims, I'm not even trying to specifically target muslims, those are just the examples I can think of off the top of my head. I'm just saying that if you're going to allow accommodations for religious belief, then you do it across the board. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act has been used to uphold native american rituals that use controlled substances, voodoo and santeria rituals that involve live animal sacrifice, Sikhs to wear their ritual turbans and carry knives, among other cases. But Christians feel like they're being targeted for being perceived as the majority heteronormative gatekeepers who need to be put in their place.
>>77625782
>You actually think someone should just totally accept discrimination laying down from a couple of shitheads?
From a private business? Of course. If I found out some business is run by some anti-white SJW who doesn't want to do business with me, why the hell would I want someone to force them to?
I'll take my money and go someplace else.
>>77626312
Discrimination is not freedom of religion. Plus you still haven't read the link have you?
>>77617600
Think he's starting to take some pages out of Something Positive's book. Everyone will act like wry, cynical 30-somethings. Even the grade school kids.
>>77626345
I love this cause it shows that you're such self centered piece of shit.
>>77626251
Go read Paul VI's encyclical "Humanae Vitae"
>>77626298
>assuming I'm on Kim Davis' side
She specifically stonewalled to make a point and kick up a fuss. There's consequences to shifting family structure away from biological parenting to nebulous family units in our modern society, but if that's what the civil secular society wants, sure, government can call a "marriage" whatever the fuck they want. I'm just pointing out why other Christians don't believe it counts as a valid marriage and how it ties into the views on the proper context and purpose of sexuality within that religion.
>>77619689
>>77619506
Effectively found himself a real-life Amber and showed her the full glory of nerd culture. How romantic.
>>77626345
We both know that's bullshot anon. You would've gone crying to /pol/ about how the sjws wouldn't accet your proud white cash and basically trying to recruit a personal army to try put them out of business.
>>77626350
Not that guy, but I can tell you that a lot of Christians are just annoyed that people are telling them they have to like something they consider sinful or else they're terrible people. Acceptance is a very different thing from tolerance, and confusing the two is what generates so much friction.
>>77626345
So you think that the civil right movement was a mistake and that rosa parks should've went to the back of the bus?
>>77626451
Does that really justify discrimination tho?
>>77626451
I'm sure they're were some segregationist who tolerate but never accepted black people too.
>>77626397
A theological work doesn't excuse discrimination especially in a society that supposedly values a separation of church and state.
>>77626530
If a guy walked in specifically asking for them to make a cake to celebrate the anniversary of him starting an affair with his mistress, they'd turn him down too.
They're not discriminating against the person, but refusing to take part in an action they feel condones and promotes scandal with a sinful action.
>>77622478
>>77622446
>>77622478
Her Dad Issues tend to vary from strip to strip, depending on how much cheap heat Willis wants to generate. Thought it was more about verbal and physical abuse vs Amber and her mom.
>>77626629
Who makes a cake like that? Only in your bullshit hypothetical scenario does that shit happen.
>>77626605
>separation of church and state.
A business is not the state. If anything, that separation supports allowing the bakery to uphold their religious beliefs rather than mandating they don't.
>>77626663
>Who makes a cake like that
Don't you start judging me too.
>>77622804
Too late. The Happening has happened.
At the end of the day, there's STILL no proper justifications as to why Muslims can discriminate against gays but not Christians except for the fact that people in America can openly hate/criticize Christians but are terrified of Muslims.
>>77626605
Okay, how about this
>studies show that the best predictor for success for children is being in a stable two-person household where the parents are the child's biological mother and father
>even when you control for race and income level
>it is in society's best interest to raise productive, well-adjusted, good citizens
>therefore it is in the government's interest to incentivize a family structure that promotes the best development and success of future generations to ensure a stable, productive, prosperous nation
Now, if you want to argue that children raised by gay couples can do that equally as well as the traditional two-parent household, then that's one thing. If the courts ruled on that premise alone then that would be sufficient governmental interest to involve themselves in defining what counts as a marraige and presiding over institutionalizing marriages and financial benefits to married couples and families that fall under that definition. It's the squishy definitions of "BUT THEY LOVE EACH OTHER SO MUCH AND IT MAKES THEM FEEL HAPPY" that drive me up the wall because it's just as shallow a legal justification as "because God said so!".
>>77626312
Discriminating against gays isn't a religious practice.
>>77626629
The guy probably wouldn't specifically day it was his mistress instead he would say sometinh like it's a vake for his girlfriend.
>>77626663
I provided the hypothetical scenario to prove a point. To Christians, gay marriage is just as scandalous and illegitimate as having sex between a man and woman outside of marriage.
Whether or not that action of sin means that you hate and despite that person and think they are fundamentally evil is another argument.
>>77626771
Source those studies dipshit.
>>77626775
And yet Muslims get a free pass for it. I guess if you're a muslim, you can discriminate whoever you wish because you're a muslim, and therefore part of the minority!
>>77626554
I like how you say this as if the principle doesn't apply to you. There's tons of shit people do that absolutely disgusts you, but imagine being told to really appreciate how some people just really love to swallow their partner's feces because previously those people weren't accepted in common society. If you say it's weird or unnaturally, well now you're a bigot. Congrats.
Now I think racism is stupid as hell, but as long as Grandpa Caleb of the Deep South still treats black people like fellow human beings then I don't see the point in trying to convert him. You'll notice that the U.S. only forced people to tolerate blacks, and (I don't know if you've noticed this but )there are way fewer segregationists around today than in the 60s.
>>77626771
You're still ignoring the discrimination.
>>77626749
Terrified isn't the right word.
Christian feels like the default and it's kind of like being white in that everyone just assumes they're not causing any problems by bitching about a group of people at every turn when in reality you're alienating them and shutting them away from carrying about your cause.
Personally I'm an atheist and ya know I get confused when I start seeing other atheists start defending the Muslim religion while shitting on Christianity at the same time... You can't just say "I tolerate this religion that's nearly the same because I don't want to be a racist." You have to remain objective. You also kind of should keep your mouth shut at the same time because no one really wants to hear about how much better you are for being an atheist.
But honestly none of this shit is about Dumbing of Age, it's not even about it's writer. The last threads were fun because we were discussing how Willis as a person tied into how he writes and offered changes and critiques among one another with the occasional respectful off topic ramblings... If we're going to keep doing this can we not just make these shitty /pol/bait threads? I'd really like it if DOA threads wouldn't get marked as delete on sight like the Sinfest ones.
>>77619784
Everytime...
>>77626775
>>77626851
>explain how Christians see gay marriage and gay sexual relations as a illegitimate act
>forcing them to recognize it as a valid union through their private practice or participation in such an action forces them to lie about and contradict those religious beliefs
I am specifically not arguing in Kim Davis' favor here, she was acting in office of the state and should've stepped down if she couldn't reconcile that official representation with her own beliefs.
>>77626396
Why? If anything, you are, making everyone else cater to you.
>>77626439
No, its not bullshot. Why would I whine to /pol/? I'd be grateful for learning about their nature before wasting my money on their business.
>>77626469
Neither of which has anything to do with the idea of "I should be able to choose who I do business with, as I am a conscious being of free will."
>>77626963
>Kim Davis
Ironically if she'd stepped down, she would have ended up looking to Christians like everything from a reasonable person to an outright martyr. Instead she just made herself out to be a gigantic moron, even to conservatives.
>>77626843
>muslimsmuslimsmulisms
Then say something about faggot. Raise awareness of these homophobic muslims and persue any legal actions against them.
>>77626831
I have no studies, but I am a social worker. I work with people who are very close to being dropped from whatever welfare they happen to be on, and it's my job to determine whether they can turn things around and not get dropped. This includes investigating their domestic situations (I deal with a fair amount of people who may or may not commit domestic violence or have domestic violence committed against them). Of the people I deal with, they are always, with zero exceptions, one or more of the following: single parent, teen parent, drug addict, mental case. You know how most welfare cases are totally normal people just down on their luck? Yeah, I don't deal with those people. I deal with the problem cases. And of the people I deal with, I'd say at least 90% come from single-parent households, and a lot of them are single parents themselves. As a father myself, with a wife, I can tell you from experience that it is so much easier to raise a child properly with two parents in the picture. One can run interference for the other. With one parent, it's a lot more difficult, and the child's upbringing suffers as a result. I can safely say that at least half of the people I deal with, had they been raised in two-parent households, I would not be dealing with them at all.
>>77626929
I apologise meself for taking part. I wonder if Sinfest threads will stop being "Ban on sight".
Probably not, given how Tatsuya's comics are heavily political and are these days irredeemable shit save for the art. As long as he makes them the way they are, they'll be banned because of political jargon and the fact that they're all going to be variants of "This comic's shit", "Sinfest used to be good" etc etc.
>>77627019
>wanting equal treatment
THOSE FUCKING BASTARDS
>>77627055
>implying people are equal
How would that even work in reality?
>>77627088
I didn't say everyone was equal but that we should treat everyone as equals. It's empathy.
>>77627023
St. Paul in one of his epistles (I'm pretty sure it was Romans, but I need to double check) even says that Christians should stay out of professions where they KNOW that they will be routinely asked to violate their beliefs as one of the functions of those positions, such as serving in a temple for other gods, working in a butcher shop where they will handle animals sacrificed and offered to those other gods, or as soldiers.
Now, Paul was also writing in a time when being a Christian got you messily tortured and executed, so keeping a low profile was essential to preserving the faith so it could actually spread and not die out in the first generation, but some of it is still applicable today. If you KNOW you're going to be forced to violate your beliefs as a routine part of that job, then you might want to get a new job first.
>>77627035
>I have no studies
So you're a liar got it.
>>77627035
Is it true that lesbian couples experience the highest domestic abuse per couple type or was that just some bullshit statistic made up by some super conservative?
>>77627150
I didn't fully read the post you were quoting, and I thought it was talking about single-parent households vs. two-parent households. My experience is not with gay couple households so I can't comment on those. I apologize for not realizing the argument was about gay marriage in particular, I thought it was about the preposterous idea that a single parent household is as good as raising children as one with two parental figures.
But please, shitpost more.
>>77626822
>I provided the hypothetical scenario to prove a point.
What do you think, "Here is a completely fictional thing I imagined happening," allegedly proves?
>>77627125
No, we shouldn't.
>>77627194
How am I shitposting?
>>77627181
People who disagree with the conclusion try to explain it away by saying that discrimination and negative social pressure on homosexuals contributes to the problems in gay relationships,
But we don't really have any other big, well-controlled studies about this issues to compare it too. More research is required. Plenty of research has been done on marriages and heterosexual relationships because of course those have been around forever. Now that we've only recently started normalize gay relationships, we don't have that data yet.
>>77627035
>And of the people I deal with, I'd say at least 90% come from single-parent households, and a lot of them are single parents themselves.
So more people need to get married? Glad you're on the rainbow train, anon.
>>77627181
I've never once been involved with a homosexual couple in my 7 years as a social worker so I can't comment. I deal with a small number of potentially battered women, mainly in the context of "they're not supposed to be back together with this guy, if they are they're in trouble." When I do a welfare checkup on a single mother and an adult man answers the phone there's usually a problem.
>>77627221
So instead of opening our heart and love one another wh should instead be clos3-minded and hateful?
>>77627245
How are you not?
>>77627282
Are you responding to the right post?
You can still hate someone while playing pretend that they're your equal. Your post makes no sense.
>>77627268
The point I was originally trying to make up here >>77626771 was that instead of shutting one side down by just yelling "BIGOT!!!!", the specific governmental interest that drives the courts even CARING about who wants to call themselves "married" or not is that marriages provide a household for children to grow up in. So of course they want to provide incentive for the household structure that produces children that will go on to be productive adults and citizens.
People who oppose gay marriage say that gay couples who adopt cannot meet that standard as well as a household with both the biological mother and father.
People who support gay marriage say that it makes no difference between the two.
So I was saying that we need to shift the argument to that context rather than name-calling.
>>77627282
>Loving one another
>>77627300
Because I legitimately believe that discriminating against gay is wrong?
Do you think it'll ever get to a point where Amber's father issues become so repressed or unforgiven or whatever the right term is that she ends up living long enough to see herself become the villain and becomes a serial assaulter/killer who targets father figures in general?
Like, what if it comes to a point that she snaps when near a playground where a father is yelling for his daughter not to stray too far away, and she ends up knifing him in the liver or something?
>>77627357
But that's not even the main reason why marriage equality was a big deal. It's mostly about taxes.
They focused on all that love stuff because that's a winning emotional argument, but if not for the way marriage is written into the tax code, nobody would care.
>>77616432
Is it more acceptable to show cleavage than to swear in Christianity?
I mean, I'm not trying to say cleavage is wrong or anything. I'm just trying to get into the head of whatever crazy Christianity Willis grew up with.
>>77627721
>But that's not even the main reason why marriage equality was a big deal. It's mostly about taxes.
Taxes that were meant to incentivize a household unit that would produces children that will go on to be productive adults and citizens, just like I said.
That's the ONLY reason why the government should give a fuck who wants to be "married" or not.
>>77627726
I think it may just be a Willis quirk.
Everybody appears to have cleavage in that strip.
>>77627726
Depends on who you ask. As a Catholic I know that neither are specifically dogmatically outlawed, you're not going to be excommunicated for dressing like a tart or swearing like a sailor (but "creating scandal" is also something that's frowned on and you're using an outward appearance that is also thought to accompany sinful behavior).
So no, not necessarily a sin, but you should probably think twice about how people are going to perceive you as a Christian through your appearance and actions.
>>77627698
Are you unironically interested in this shit comic?
>>77627770
Bullshit. A heterosexual marriage between two people who hate children and got themselves sterilized get those same benefits, not to mention the Power of Attorney and ability visit each other in a hospital.
You can't have that amount of benefits for one class of marriage and not any others. Either eliminate them for everyone or give two consenting adults the same rights as other consenting adults, and it would take a spiteful motherfucker to choose "elimination".
>>77627357
The fucking context is that a business owner had a completely valid and legal discrimination complaint brought against him.
>>77627847
How do you define a "marriage" then?
>>77618663
>punishment for lifetime of wrongdoing
Do you know anything about Christianity? Every single human being in the view of Christianity is guilty of a lifetime of wrong doing. You don't go to Heaven because you don't have that, you go to Heaven because you ask a specific deity to forgive you for it.
>>77627839
Mostly, I'm just hoping that something actually happens again. The story we just had was something happening; I'm sure that the next eight months of DoA are going to be the same uninteresting crap that's permeated the comic for years.
I want something interesting to happen again. I almost WANT to read this comic, but without stakes or a drive, there's nothing of interest.
On another note, that's why I read Endtown regularly. Even in filler strips, there is always something happening, whether to move the story along, to develop a character's personality or mental state, or in the overall scheme of the current storyline.
>>77614645
>>77623913
This is what being schooled looks like ladies and gentlemen. The entire premise of someone being dumb for not believing something that is untrue is both polarizing and inherently one of reasons greatest enemies. Never get on a high horse. The only way people will ever be receptive to what you're saying is if you speak with them not at them. You may not be able to convince the out right bit you can always make them more aware of new modes of thought.
>>77627926
>you go to Heaven because you ask a specific deity to forgive you for it.
And that forgiveness provides an avenue to be reunited totally to God and receive the fundamentally transformative grace that allows you to live out God's will in your own life.
You're right in that no one EARNS their way to heaven, and we're all equally undeserving. But there's a lot more to salvation than just "oops God, sorry I fucked up that one time".
>>77622534
I just don't actually care, and I don't understand why I should. Oh my god, a breast! How horrible?
Meh.
Although, it's super stressful when it happens in front of you. At work once, a customer (Guest, I work in the Magic Kingdom), pulled out her breast and spent 22 minutes talking to me with her child nursing. While I'm willing to bet she wouldn't have cared at all if my glance naturally moved, it wasn't worth the risk. 22 minutes of eye contact was very, very painful.
>>77627920
A contract in perpetuity between two consenting adults to form a household.
As I read through these threads, I realize something: "Walky," is an annoyingly dumb name.
>>77628057
Why does it have to be two people?
Why does it have to be adults?
If all that makes a marriage is someone agreeing "yeah, we're totally in a marriage" could that extend to polyamorous groupings?
>>77628099
"Annoying" and "dumb" could be repeated to describe just about every aspect of this comic.
>>77627995
Sure, that's fine. But it's about submission.
>>77627977
It's not really.
The second post pretty much agrees that people are 'being dumb' when believing in or disbelieving in certain things. It literally says that some things are dumb to believe in.
The first post states that people are being stupid for doing, not that they are stupid, or too stupid to understand. We generally say people did a stupid thing, even if they are smart, when they do something that is clearly based on faulty logic and this is immediately apparent.
The second post actually agrees with the first post, and then pretends that the first post said something different in order to find something to disagree with.
>>77628111
How did I fucking know you'd try this bullshit. How did I fucking know you'd just play the "IF WE ALLOW GAYS TO MARRY, WHY NOT THE OTHER DEGENERATES?" card.
As it is right now, a man and a woman marrying get a lot of benefits legally that they do not have unwed. Either allow same-sex couples to have those same benefits, or outlaw them. Equal Protection Under The Law is part of the Constitution. Deal with it.
>>77628142
Fair enough. Sorry I tend to get pedantic when it comes to theological discussions.
>>77628262
Still didn't answer the question.
Why draw the line at only two adults if the only thing that makes a marriage is their agreement that they are, in fact in a marriage.
>>77628111
>slippery slope bullshit
We don't allow children to get married because they are not necessarily ready for such a responsibility and are generally more easily coerced. Same as why we don't let children do a lot of things.
There's no real reason to disallow polyamorous groupings, to be honest, save a foolish view that such things are inherently sexist.
>>77628099
It just confirms that he's David Willis' idealized self-insert, like Ryan Sohmer and his self-insert in "Least I Could Do", Rayne Summers. Hell, just look at Walky's first name: Danny.
Also, in other news, David Willis has a Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Willis_(cartoonist)
>>77628291
Because the other things you're implying are ~illegal~. Children and animals can not consent, and polygamy is outlawed pretty much everywhere in the Western World.
But you knew that already. Fuck off Socrates, you've got nothing.
>>77628341
>There's no real reason to disallow polyamorous groupings, to be honest, save a foolish view that such things are inherently sexist.
Okay, that's a response to my question. I'm sorry I included the "why adults" part, I meant to ask specifically about ideas about polyamorous groups.
If you'll humor me, what about if first cousins want to get married? Or siblings? Or a parent and child or other close family members?
And if you object to that on the groups that having kids in such unions would run the risk of inherited genetic issues, what about if they would not have any kids and practice completely sterilized sex? Or didn't have sex at all?
>>77628359
>and polygamy is outlawed pretty much everywhere in the Western World.
Why is it outlawed though? Gay marriage was not allowed here until recently and you argue for that pretty strongly regardless.
>>77628341
>implying that the slope is not, in fact, slippery
As someone who supports gay marriage, you're a dolt if you somehow believe that it's going to end there for all time.
>>77627589
Shut up, faggot.
>>77628398
>what about if first cousins want to get married?
Come to New York, cousin marriage is legal here.
It's mostly Orthodox Jews who do it, because anyone too far outside the family might as well be a goy.
>>77628398
I guess in that incredibly unlikely situation, there's no reason to disallow it.
To be real, the sheer level of both sociological and biological programming that disinclines us from such unions would make them incredibly, insanely rare, even if they were legal.
>>77628439
Don't know. It is not germane to the conversation at all. The only reason you'd bring up polygamy or child marriage or bestiality is to deflect away from how you have zero argument why gays shouldn't get those rights while also >implying that homosexuality is on-par with those things.
>there is literally zero reason gay people shouldn't get this stuff
>oh yeah, why don't you give those same rights to the guy who fucks his dog?
>>77628489
On the other hand, the idea that one thing MUST lead to everything else is pretty equally dolt-ish.
The reasons people disallow gay marriage as opposed to child marriage are totally different. Gay marriage is an issue primarily about what people believe is proper, and is rationalized by the argument that they cannot have children naturally. Child marriage is disallowed because children are more vulnerable than adults and don't generally have the level of maturity necessary to make the decisions involved very well.
There's no reason for one to lead to the other.
>>77628570
>implying that homosexuality is on-par with those things
I'm actually curious why you think it's not, in the case of polygamy. It's consenting adults doing it, it's been against social norms for a long time, isn't a traditional heterosexual union, etc.
It's not like we can raise homosexuality above other forms of adult-on-adult love (no matter how much the LBGTwhatever movement hates trans people).
>>77628570
Because when you define marriage as just "whenever people decide their relationship counts as a marriage" or "people that are in love and feel good around each other", then what's the point of even having a specially promoted "marriage" that receives special tax incentives and legal standing? Why is it different from every other kind of relationship?
>>77628684
Because of the "contract in perpetuity" bit. It sets a standard for the amount of legal power they have over one another. Or do you think that only parents should have power of attorney?
>>77628684
>what's the point of even having a specially promoted "marriage" that receives special tax incentives and legal standing? Why is it different from every other kind of relationship?
At this point I'm surprised there's tax exemption at all, what with the current divorce rates.
>>77628722
So you're against no-fault divorce?
>>77628652
>LBGTwhatever movement hates trans people
>LBGT movement
>lesbian, bi, gay, trans
>hates trans
?
>>77628731
Keep deflecting you bitchass nigga.
>>77628637
I wasn't specifying child marriage, but its practiced in other countries. It could easily be legalized under the guise of being "cultural sensitivity". Or polygamy marriages. Or dog fucking.
I'm more curious what the next one will be.
>>77628727
Which brings me back around to my original point, the government and society in general cares about marriage because marriages produce families. The family is the fundamental unit of society and will determine how the next generation grows up to become citizens of that society and continues its values and ideals to pass them on to their own next generation.
So again, the main issue we should be debating is what kind of household provides the best environment for children to be brought up in?
>>77628749
If you say "in perpetuity" do you actually mean "in perpetuity" or does that contract actually not bind anyone permanently and they can back out of it whenever they feel their relationship doesn't constitute a marriage anymore.
>>77628731
I said fuck off, Socrates. I used "contracts" specifically because they can be voided at any time if you take the proper steps. "In perpetuity" means that unless it's voided, it stays in effect. In other words, once you're married, you stay married and keep those powers until you take the steps to become unmarried.
>>77628735
Anecdotal evidence, but I know some gay people who hate being associated with the trans community because they don't want to get involved in all that "gender nonbinary/genderfluid" stuff and just focus on the fact that they're a man or woman who happens to be attracted to other men or women.
>>77628814
So why HAVE a contract in the first place? What is it supposed to bind them too if not for a relationship that extends "in perpetuity"? Why did you even use that word when you're referring to a relationship that either party can end at any time for any reason?
>>77628735
Yeah, fun fact. It turns out that a lot of the LBGT movement is actually extremely judgmental despite all their demands for acceptance from everyone else. The truth is you can slap a badge on and pretend to be for something that you're not. An unfortunate number of gay people believe that trans people are just fellow gays who are in the closet and dealing with it in a fucked up--dare I say problematic--way.
>>77628767
I'm sure the entire western world would totally accept child marriages because of the PC police.
>>77628793
It binds them until you actually legally back out of it, yes.
>>77628735
Just go to /lgbt/ and see for yourself.
>>77628848
>fun made up fact
>>77628853
In 50 years?
>>77617010
She's talking about oxytocin. Which is real, but knowing Hathor I'm sure she doesn't really understand it.
>>77628767
Child and, uh, beast I guess? marriages are not in the same category as homosexual marriage because they engage with different issues. We don't allow people from India to practice caste-based law here, because it violates consent. Similarly, child and animal marriage violates consent.
Homosexual marriage does not.
You're citing slippery slope, but you don't even know what slope these things are on. Or that you're on, apparently.
>>77628861
Binds them to what? What are you required to do within the terms of the marriage? Or are those terms entirely up to the individual agreement between the parties of the contract?
>>77628890
>Or are those terms entirely up to the individual agreement between the parties of the contract?
Yes?
This is the case with most heterosexual marriages. Different people end their contract of marriage over different things. You're being deliberately dense at this point.
>>77628885
I predict even lesser. By 2020 American will unanimously vote to legalize child marriages.
>>77628847
>So why HAVE a contract in the first place?
Because you circular arguing faggot marriage conveys powerful benefits on the members of that marriage, so you need to have some kind of legal binding to pass them on.
I'll ask you again: do you somehow think power of attorney is something that only parents should have over their children?
>>77628870
While I'm sure some people prefer to believe homosexuals are a universally fine folk who represent nothing but sunshine, rainbows, and tolerance, there's a little problem with that: Gay people are still people. If you think that being the target of bigotry somehow automatically makes you a great person, then I have a bridge to sell you.
>>77628890
>Or are those terms entirely up to the individual agreement between the parties of the contract?
I finally understand.
>>77628942
I'm having trouble telling whether this post is ironic or not.
You do know how close we are to 2020, right?
